[00:25] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/11/valve-confirms-steam-hack-credit-cards-personal-info-may-be-stolen.ars [00:25] oh joy [02:27] Apache security fix released. [02:28] yay [02:28] Also posted on the mailing list about the CDs and distribution [02:29] evening [02:30] Good evening. [02:30] snowing on that side of the state? [02:30] Not yet [02:30] little bit earlier [02:30] Apparently if you're not warm of heart like us in the D [02:30] 94 between Marshall and 131 was down to 30 mph [02:31] ;) [02:33] because of the snow [02:33] Yeah, Michigan doesn't do well with precipitation [02:34] Yay, JoDee's home. Time to get some dinner. [02:34] brb [02:56] :( [02:56] cursed snow. [02:57] cursed late dinner. [02:57] cursed apache security [03:42] jrwren: Are you now a Hannah Barbera villan? "Curses!" === ratman is now known as Guest81551 === DeaCon is now known as mydogsnameisrudy [12:54] \o/ [12:55] party [12:55] I have my IRC back today! [12:55] is that why it was so quiet yesterday? [12:55] and it's Friday \o/ [12:55] and it's snowing \o/ [12:55] oh wait [12:55] and it's snowing :-( [12:58] and I'm editing perl scripts \o/ [12:58] lol [12:58] I was afk most of the day [12:59] blame me for quiet, little ranting to do [12:59] ah, and here I thought the moral of yesterday was "if you want rick_h to see something, you need to send it in IRC, not e-mail" [12:59] LOL [13:23] I saw your thing and checked it out [13:23] thought I replied to you about it? === smoser` is now known as smoser [13:30] Ugh [13:30] snap-l: and brousch http://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/2011/11/10/wxpython-and-sqlalchemy-an-intro-to-mvc-and-crud/ [13:31] old news. i saw that half an hour ago [13:31] brousch: :P [13:31] :-D [13:31] sorry, I'm a bit late getting up this morning, had to take the boy to day care [13:31] although if i had actually read the whole thing i would probably be getting done right about now [13:31] looks solid for you gui types [13:31] rick_h: yeah, you replied. I got your reply late in the evening. I sent it before lunch I think... [13:32] Wolfger: yea, that's my fault. I checked it out from my phone when you sent it, but was afk [13:32] nobody makes desktop applications these days [13:32] I didn't reply until later in the day when I got some laptop time [13:32] brousch: bwuhaha! the corruption is near complete [13:32] rick_h: no problem at all. I was just bored and without IRC to keep me company :-p [13:33] Right, because there's a web service for collecting Arduino data [13:33] <- cranky. ;) [13:33] snap-l: i assume you use a command line program that ships it up to a web service [13:34] In real time? [13:34] close enough [13:34] use those web sockets things [13:35] Yes, because every lab needs a dependency on Node. ;) [13:36] now you're getting it [13:37] you want to view it on your android tablet, right? [13:38] like on star trek where the engineers walk around with padds adjusting things [13:44] snap-l: http://bret.appspot.com/entry/web-sockets-in-tornado [13:44] no node, but you did just get a node book [13:45] * snap-l considers writing all of this in VB6 [13:45] The way that God intended. ;) [13:46] vb.net [13:47] you can get a free visual studio-based IDE from microsoft to help you [13:47] http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-basic-express [13:48] i'm sure jrwren would be happy to answer any questions [13:50] snap-l: I do love saying "curses" because of Hannah Barbera villans and because it is safe around my 4yo. [13:50] snap-l: what rae you writing in VB6? [13:50] and, yes, I would. [13:51] but... for desktop GUI, F# is awesome. I wrote a GTK# twitter client in 104 lines of code. [13:52] jrwren: I'm kidding [13:53] I'd sooner write something in Java Swing than VB, not because I think VB isn't that great, but because Java Swing is more portable [13:53] (And yes, I know Mono is supposed to fix that) [13:53] tkinter [13:53] * snap-l stops making sense and joins a circus. [13:54] brousch: Don't make me ship myself to you to choke you. ;) [13:54] what's wrong with tk? [13:54] it even has a set of less-ugly widgets now [13:55] * snap-l tried learning TCL / TK early on becuase it was the "least painful at the time" way to make GUI application [13:55] s [13:56] And while TK was the saner part of the dynamic duo, it was still pretty miserable. [13:56] * snap-l did not like TCL [13:57] yeah, I would not recommend tk for any purpose, I don't think. [13:58] it's right in the python standard lib [14:00] brousch: That's fine. It can stay there. [14:01] You know who else was in the Python Standard Library? [14:01] Hitler. [14:02] i don't see that anywhere. i think you're making it up [14:03] bwahahaha [14:04] yeah, after looking at wx, I can't imagine ever torturing myself with tk again [14:04] Hitler was totally a fan of whitespace [14:05] * snap-l stops before he gets a CoC violation [14:05] hitler could be a module that enforces strict pep8. all pep8 warnings cause exceptions [14:05] like rick_h is standing behind you with a taser as you code [14:07] o_0 did brousch just compare rick_h to hitler? [14:07] they do both have mustaches [14:09] they do? [14:12] I think hitler just had really bushy nose hair. [14:14] snap-l: mono doesn't do anything for vb6 portability [14:15] LOL @ hitler in PSL [14:16] oh... now THAT is a software dev methodology in itself. " rick_h is standing behind you with a taser as you code" [14:17] jrwren: Yeah, that's kind of like "write your code as though it will have to be maintained by an angry axe murderer who knows where you live" [14:17] except less lethal and more immediate [14:18] yes, and more personal. [14:18] not only do i not worry about crossing the line... but I can also actively try to do great and make rick_h happy [14:36] How have we lived before virtual machines and emulators? [14:36] Poorly, I must confess. [14:48] what's a virtual machine? [14:48] * Wolfger still lives poorly [14:53] Set up Virtualbox [14:54] wtf, I leave for an hour and I'm now in the std lib for python? sweet! [14:55] from hitler import rick_h [14:56] from hitler import TaserRick [14:56] try: TaserRick.validate() [14:56] EXCEPTION: You have angered Rick, prepare for the shock! [14:57] more effective than the jenkins nerf missile launcher thing [14:59] oh, great... he actually *likes* the idea of being a taser-wielding code nazi. We're all doomed. [15:00] on the plus side, code will look much nicer [15:00] purdy! [15:03] * Wolfger wonders when TaserRick will become integrated into LaunchPad for the "benefit" of everybody's PPA... [15:03] heh, there's already stuff there. Why I'm joining [15:07] someone needs to write a PythonTidy sort of thing, but call it TaserRick, and with every found problem, it says "ZAP" [15:08] Not sure if there's a USB cattle prod, but that's a requirement [15:09] warnings, .5 seconds [15:09] errors, 2 seconds. [15:09] I think it'll have to come from the higher ups [15:09] supplied in the office chairs [15:09] "sweet, this pace has cool motorized powered office chairs!" [15:10] booo, local verizon didn't have a live razr phone to play with [15:10] hah [15:10] useless [15:11] http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/11/researchers-show-how-to-break-quantum-cryptography-by-faking-quantum-entanglement.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss [15:11] What... the... fuck... [15:13] not to be pedantic, but the speech bubble in the picture is on the wrong character. skroob isn't even in the frame [15:13] now i can't take the article content seriously [15:16] Yeah, because article content is totally dependent on the images used [15:16] I totally disregard articles when they have images that don't fit the article at all [15:16] (only half-kidding) === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [15:18] the idea behind the picture is OK, it's the execution that is fail [15:21] In VIM, can I have fancy stuff where instead of just simple completion with ctrl+p, I can get things like php docs, so when I do it on, say "array_push", it'll tell me the syntax? [15:21] yea, I had that working when I was doing php ColonelPanic001 [15:21] ColonelPanic001: all of that is built into eclipse [15:21] ColonelPanic001: https://github.com/mitechie/vim [15:21] I don't mind doing the legwork - any idea where to start looking? [15:21] that's my old php config [15:22] check that out [15:22] brousch: I know, I miss it from doing Android stuff in Eclipse ;) [15:22] rick_h: thanks [15:22] will-do [15:22] trollfail :( [15:22] yea, looks like I had C-u mapped to phpdoc comand [15:22] we just ignore you brousch [15:23] i don't blame you [15:23] ;) [15:23] I know it's a hanging offense, but I hve to admit to liking Eclipse for that kind of thing [15:24] really brings down the learning curve when suddenly I have to do an android app, and have done a total of 50 lines of crappy Java [15:24] I understand if you all want me to leave now. [15:24] ColonelPanic001: i started using netbeans when i was learning java. i didn't actually read a java book, i just scrolled through the autocompletes and javadocs looking for what made sense [15:25] same here, with Eclipse, and for Android [15:25] ColonelPanic001: yea, I think everyone admits it helps with the learning curve [15:25] developer.android.com on the left monitor, Eclipse on the right [15:25] but it does tend to lead to people that don't learn [15:25] rick_h: pfft learning [15:25] learning is for chumps. all that matters is doing! [15:26] nah, I agree, I just could use the occasional "wtf is the order for the array and thing to add to it in this crappy function?" [15:26] RickTaser.irc_activate(level=1111) [15:26] haha [15:27] oh crap, i think i have the pidgin plugin for that activated [15:27] *zzzzzzzzzt* [15:27] luckily my desll doesn't have the hardware support [15:27] dell [15:28] snap-l: interesting article, but I am increasingly of the opinion that quantum physics is just a big boondoggle. [15:28] all i got was a notification popup [15:29] I think when you take quantum physics classes in college, they sign you to an NDA and then fill you in that it's all a bunch of bunk that sounds sciencey enough to get the suits to keep throwing money at them for "research" [15:30] ask _stink_ [15:30] that's the impression I get from 'string theory' [15:31] seems like any time anyone mentions physics, someone will throw that word in, but I never hear wtf it *is*, except for once in a while "it's a mathematical model that may or may not have any real use or relevance at all" [15:31] heh [15:32] I suppose what really makes it all seem even worse than it is, is the fact that the common person's only exposure to it is via journalists. [15:32] yeah [15:33] I'm dumb. How does one go about getting this 'phpdoc' command? I'm not finding the package. php-doc doesn't seem to be it [15:33] string theory states that if you use enough complicated math and big words you can keep stringing people along for funding [15:37] string theory is what happens when Math and Physics tries to fill in the blank spaces. [15:37] see also: Dark Matter [16:08] <_stink_> holy crap, something i know something about [16:08] wat [16:08] yes [16:08] _stink_: i was under the impression that if you say you understand string theory then you do not understand string theory [16:08] tell us, is quantum phyics all bullshit, and the same for string theory [16:09] I've never really heard anyone who would really know, say anything much about string theory [16:09] <_stink_> brousch: hah. wasn't it Feynman who said that about quantum field theory? [16:09] seems like it's a buzzword to toss out there to make yourself sound like you might know stuff, or just because you heard it and it sounds neat [16:09] yeah [16:09] "I think I can safely say that no one understand quantum theory" [16:09] paraphrased, don't remember exactly [16:10] <_stink_> here's the thing you need to remember about string theory [16:10] they get lost in the dryer [16:10] <_stink_> at the moment it's totally untestable. [16:10] It's a theory [16:10] <_stink_> so it's just a bunch of math. [16:10] IT'S JUST A THEORY [16:10] I believe in intelligent phyics [16:11] <_stink_> and there's no obvious way to turn it into anything testable. [16:11] _stink_: Well, it has about as much chance of being tested definitively as LIGO has for finding gravitational waves. [16:11] I believe in lego physics [16:11] i.e. None. [16:11] <_stink_> see, that word 'theory' blows. people call Relativity a theory. that word is meaningless. [16:11] Well no one doubts Relativity much many more, even though it was the Science Buzz word before String theory [16:11] quarks are held together by little bumps and wholes [16:11] holes [16:11] <_stink_> whales [16:11] ColonelPanic001: Whores. [16:11] <_stink_> or that. [16:11] And the average person still doesn't understand relativity [16:11] bumps on whores? [16:12] <_stink_> schwing! [16:12] sure we do. hand on stove, sitting next to pretty girl, etc. Einstein explained it all. [16:12] <_stink_> but about quantum physics in general: [16:13] Quantum Physics is where Newtonian physics goes for a hit of LSD [16:13] <_stink_> it contains testable predictions that have been verified *orders of magnitude* more precisely than any other theory. [16:13] <_stink_> PERIOD. [16:13] <_stink_> it can hardly be more legit. [16:14] <_stink_> that shit is real. [16:14] and so it shall not quit [16:14] <_stink_> hey, hey! [16:14] _stink_: Do you understand Quantum Mechanics? [16:14] (JoDee asking) [16:14] <_stink_> i smell a punchline [16:15] (Very Good) [16:15] <_stink_> lulz [16:15] (Because you smell a punchline, your statements are accurate) [16:15] Apparently this is the secret handshake of Quantum Physicists. [16:15] <_stink_> :D [16:16] <_stink_> snap-l: tell her that her pal Pushkal is defending his Ph.D. sometime soon [16:16] I think too the reason String Theory gets any credence is because the math "works" much in the same way that Quantum Math "works" [16:16] _stink_: (That's wonderful!) [16:17] <_stink_> snap-l: "work" as in "predicts fucking crazy shit that would be awesome and confusing if it were real"? [16:18] Works, as in predicts crazy shit that, when we get the right equipment, appears to predict the crazy shit we're now able to observe [16:19] (and yes, I know quantum observation is an oxymoron) [16:19] <_stink_> naw, works fine for me. [16:19] <_stink_> YOU BROKE THE WAVEFUNCTION [16:19] <_stink_> i need a shirt that says that [16:19] _stink_: We were going to get shirts made up that said "I'm braking your wave function" [16:20] er, breaking [16:20] <_stink_> lulz [16:20] <_stink_> that would be awesome [16:20] <_stink_> then turn a lowercase psi upsidedown and make it a frowny face [16:21] You know what that smell is? The smell of money being left on the table. [16:21] d00d, get sheldon on big bang to wear it and you will be rich [16:21] <_stink_> haha [16:22] <_stink_> brousch: you're the graphics guy. [16:22] that is scary [16:24] Sleep dep + allergy medication + Quantum = awesome [16:31] <_stink_> quick google shows no good competing design on a shirt. [16:31] do it [16:46] http://decafbad.net/2011/11/11/1devday-detroit-the-cure-for-the-9-5-developer/ [16:52] "Highly informative, and definitely a kick in the pants for anyone out there content to find the one-true-language." :P [16:53] Well, consider web development requires you to learn two languages before you even start [16:54] Javascript and whatever else you're developing in [16:54] not to mention HTML and CSS [16:54] pyjamas lets me compile python to javascript! [16:55] http://www.ccrnp.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/p2c/daves.index.html [16:59] 404 [17:07] try harder. [17:10] http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dsfri [18:09] snap-l: hm, it looks like a dns problem [18:31] what a waste of a day [18:33] I just spent all day looking into a "problem" regarding data we collected back in March. The problem was fixed in April. No wonder I can't see anything wrong :-/ [18:34] <_stink_> WontFix [18:37] DidFix [18:37] can't tamper with data that was received due to the bug, but the bug itself was killed. [18:38] worst part is, the guy complaining today is the same guy I worked with to identify this problem back in April [18:38] <_stink_> heh [18:38] we both completely forgot we'd already dealt with this [18:40] Must be a slow news day. For 11/11/11, SI is doing the top 11 players to ever wear #11. [18:46] they are probably sick of penn state stuff [19:13] http://candlelightrecordsusa.bandcamp.com/album/time-is-up <- Man, wish Candlelight was CC-friendly. ;) [19:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/apt/+bug/56125 [20:01] Milyardo: thanks for the laugh :) [20:26] wtf, tjagoda got a reply from the Saruman twitter account [20:34] he's screwed