| jono | cjohnston, sorry I didnt see an email re. this chan | 00:44 |
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| cjohnston | I just resent it to jono at u . c | 00:45 |
| jono | thanks cjohnston | 00:46 |
| jono | I have a nightmare inbox, will get to it soon | 00:47 |
| cjohnston | lol | 00:47 |
| jono | cjohnston, will post to the design team about this now | 00:47 |
| cjohnston | thats all it was about :-) | 00:47 |
| cjohnston | thanks jono | 00:47 |
| jono | thanks, cjohnston! | 00:48 |
| jono | mail sent | 00:49 |
| cjohnston | thanks | 00:49 |
| jono | I also changed the topic for their internal channel ;-) | 00:50 |
| jono | hey sladen! | 00:50 |
| cjohnston | cool | 00:50 |
| cjohnston | its sladen ! | 00:50 |
| cjohnston | that was quick | 00:50 |
| jono | sladen is everywhere | 00:50 |
| cjohnston | true | 00:50 |
| jono | particularly Best Buy ;-) | 00:50 |
| sladen | the less said the better | 00:55 |
| sladen | what exciting things have I missed so far/ | 00:56 |
| cjohnston | we were all waiting for you sladen | 00:56 |
| jono | sladen, :-) | 01:13 |
| wendar | sladen: welcome | 01:40 |
| * wendar realizes that she didn't pass the channel name on to the Canonical designers, and wonders if anyone else did before 1 hour ago | 01:41 | |
| sladen | wendar: prompting is always useful | 01:53 |
| AlanBell | sladen \o/ | 09:12 |
| doctormo-other | Hey AlanBell | 09:30 |
| doctormo-other | And peterm-ubuntu | 09:30 |
| doctormo-other | Know any javascript gurus? | 09:30 |
| AlanBell | I dabble | 09:31 |
| AlanBell | going to have to dabble a bit more to get etherpad lite going for UDS-Q | 09:31 |
| peterm-ubuntu | doctormo-other, what are you looking for? | 09:31 |
| doctormo-other | peterm-ubuntu: People with a bit of time and some javascript hacking experence | 09:43 |
| doctormo-other | AlanBell: Coincidentally with etherpad. What's the lite version? | 09:43 |
| AlanBell | a rewrite in node.js | 10:04 |
| doctormo-other | AlanBell: I'm rewriting ace2 and replacing the editor with svg-editor, but it's complex and I could do with some help. | 10:08 |
| AlanBell | what is ace2? | 10:24 |
| doctormo-other | AlanBell: The editor used in etherpad, | 10:26 |
| doctormo-other | It's a javascript construction which allows one to edit; it creates multiple iframe constructs and manages the calls between the editor and the sync javascript. | 10:27 |
| AlanBell | oh ok | 10:28 |
| AlanBell | so you want real time co-editing of arbitary svg objects | 10:29 |
| doctormo-other | AlanBell: Well that'd be nice. We only really need wire frames and maybe stroke color to be controlled by the highlight color. | 10:31 |
| doctormo-other | In terms of the sync, svg is only text to be shoveled in. | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | well, it is continuously valid xml to shovel in | 10:32 |
| doctormo-other | Ah even better :-D | 10:33 |
| doctormo-other | I'm still going through the code to get an idea where the graft needs to take place. | 10:33 |
| doctormo-other | This is the svg editor: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html | 10:34 |
| sladen | doctormo-other: wow | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | doctormo-other: this is a really really interesting area | 12:08 |
| AlanBell | I have been pondering in the past how to do realtime co-editing of ODF documents between different office suites | 12:08 |
| AlanBell | which is basically passing fragments of XML about | 12:09 |
| AlanBell | I was thinking some kind of protocol that passed an internally valid (tags closed) chunck of XML and an xpath statement of where to insert it, or an xpath location for a node to delete | 12:10 |
| czajkowski | c | 14:22 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: you just need an XML diff tool, really | 15:24 |
| mhall119 | which isn't as easy as it sounds | 15:25 |
| mhall119 | if you had that, then you could plug it into bzr or whatever | 15:25 |
| AlanBell | it needs to not diff the whole thing all the time | 15:25 |
| AlanBell | and bzr isn't realtime | 15:26 |
| mhall119 | true | 15:26 |
| mhall119 | I suppose it could be though... | 15:26 |
| mhall119 | doctormo-other: if you can make this work, it's going to get massive use I bet | 15:27 |
| mhall119 | doctormo-other: are you looking at the java-based etherpad, or node.js based lite version? | 15:28 |
| wendar | doctormo-other: oh, I looked at GtkAtlantic, you're right the user experience did make me want to cry :( | 20:06 |
| wendar | doctormo-other: Not sure about about the client-server aspects, it might make the user journey more complex to sketch out | 20:07 |
| wendar | whatever we can get people excited about | 20:46 |
| wendar | I just ran across a little game we might be able to revamp in a week | 20:47 |
| wendar | http://fourdigits.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html#play | 20:48 |
| wendar | I suppose it's silly, but when I was a kid my first "big" programming project was writing a Mastermind game in Forth with my dad | 20:49 |
| wendar | so, I have an irrational fondness for this kind of guessing game | 20:49 |
| wendar | funny, it even got wikipedia notice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulls_and_cows | 20:51 |
| cjohnston | .19 | 20:53 |
| doctormo-other | wendar: Sounds good. | 22:11 |
| doctormo-other | mhall119: I'm betting it might. XML diff is not too hard, it's just a process that requires structural coherence mathematics. | 22:12 |
| doctormo-other | But with the svg stuff we have a much more well defined set of events to update the system with. | 22:13 |
| doctormo-other | When a shape is added, we're adding a node (possibly even a group). When a shape is transformed, we're changing the transform attributes. | 22:14 |
| mhall119 | doctormo-other: yeah, that might be easier, especially if you limit what can be done | 22:19 |
| doctormo-other | cjohnston, mhall119: Is the Ubuntu website using the lite version or the java version? I've currently set up the java version here at home. | 22:35 |
| cjohnston | I may be missing something. | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | doctormo-other: I think we're still using the original java one | 23:17 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: etherpad | 23:17 |
| mhall119 | doctormo-other: AlanBell would be the one to ask though | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | for now etherpad | 23:18 |
| cjohnston | we will be switching to lite this cycle im told | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | java at the moment, yes | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | but that is a bit of a dead end | 23:18 |
| * cjohnston personally would love to figure out a way where when its a pad for uds it has a UDS greeting, otherwise, a regular greeting | 23:19 | |
| AlanBell | yeah, we can get that in | 23:19 |
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