[11:02] <topyli> ircc meeting?
[11:02] <elky> only the two of us
[11:02] <Unit193> I hope so...
[11:02] <elky> jussi can't make it apparently
[11:02] <topyli> so, no quorum. well, we can review action items and discuss new ones
[11:03] <LjL> oops it's saturday already
[11:04] <topyli> we have new bugs, due to us trying to push things more into the public. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council
[11:04] <elky> both the new bugs are against jussi, and i believe we've both put our thoughts against them
[11:04] <LjL> i tried to add the item yesterday, but wiki wouldn't let me login
[11:04] <topyli> LjL: we can discuss it under "other issues" :)
[11:05] <topyli> i like the idea of putting stuff in launchpad when possible
[11:05] <topyli> not sure if we should go into specific bugs here, just note that they're there
[11:06] <elky> the bugs provide a way to discuss there, so i see no reason to hash stuff out here
[11:06] <topyli> aye
[11:07] <elky> plus, i want to go to bed before too long
[11:07] <elky> i actually went and got into bed because i was falling asleep, then had to get up because i remembered the meeting :(
[11:08] <topyli> there's an action item for me that i have not done. i have been a bit uncertain if it's time to do it, but i suppose it is according to last meeting's minutes. sorry about this, will do it asap
[11:08] <topyli> (opening up the #lubuntu call for ops)
[11:09] <elky> yeah, you should probably do that
[11:09] <topyli> yes
[11:09] <topyli> another thing undone was review of m4v's guidelines draft. we have done this, let me find
[11:10] <topyli> http://notes.kde.org/ubuntuguidelines
[11:10] <elky> idleone has somethign on the agenda which we could discuss preliminarily, but he appears offline
[11:10] <topyli> m4v has also fixed a couple of problems there
[11:11] <topyli> elky: yes, there are different opinions on that, would be nice to have both him and flannel
[11:12] <topyli> generally, i like the basic suggestion that quiets should always be timed and auto-removed
[11:13] <topyli> LjL: would you like to bring up your issue?
[11:13] <LjL> ok
[11:13] <elky> is there a way to have per-action-type rules like that?
[11:14] <topyli> elky: technically, no idea. socially, we can encourage it :)
[11:14] <LjL> i was thinking that we should probably inform all users about the appeals process when they are banned. i think the best way to achieve that would be having a bot do it automatically.
[11:15] <LjL> we could also put that to our advantage by including information like "Please remember that if you come to #ubuntu-ops to discuss your ban, you're supposed to be civil, calm and respectful, otherwise it will only result in your being removed from there"
[11:15] <LjL> so we don't have to warn users again and again when they join there
[11:15] <topyli> this way, users would at least know about -ops
[11:16] <elky> could be useful, but it should ignore floodbots of course
[11:17] <LjL> well the floodbots could be the ones doing it in the first place, trivial to add
[11:19] <topyli> i would support that. it would improve users' awareness of how to get unbanned, and with a little added information they would also know how to behave in -ops
[11:21] <topyli> the floodbots themselves are problematic though, can another bot do it?
[11:22] <topyli> problem being they depend on a single person and are not free software
[11:22] <elky> ubottu already has the code to harass us, should be trivial there too
[11:22] <elky> don't worry, we know you're not.
[11:22] <topyli> thanks for the reminder ubottu
[11:24] <topyli> we can't decide right now anyway. we should discuss this and add it to the next meeting's agenda for decision making
[11:25] <topyli> maybe file a bug. it's fashionable again! :)
[11:27] <topyli> anything else?
[11:27] <elky> don't think so
[11:28] <topyli> i can write up a little summary to replace official minutes, so we can continue on the mailing list
[11:28] <topyli> and so we won't forget what we talked about
[11:28] <elky> that's what channel logs are for
[11:29] <topyli> i think it's still good to send mail to point people to read said logs
[11:29] <Unit193> Just can't read meetingology logs/minutes this time
[11:30] <topyli> Unit193: i'll try and sum up in the mail, and logs exist at irclogs.ubuntu.com too
[11:31] <Unit193> Yes sir
[11:33] <topyli> heh