[10:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98_:  telepathy-kde : Depends: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins but it is not installable
[10:13] <apachelogger>                  Recommends: telepathy-gabble but it is not going to be installed
[10:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Something unexpected happened to the core part of your Instant Messaging system and it couldn't be initialized. Try restarting the Contact List.
[10:16] <apachelogger> that is a message of epic uselessness :(
[10:17] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/KXXBW.png
[10:17] <apachelogger> UX fail
[10:20] <apachelogger> ok, I am too stupid to use this software
[10:20] <apachelogger> cannot get it to do shit on daily builds -.-
[10:27] <Mamarok> is there an ETA for soprano 2.7.3? This would solve quite some bugs with Nepomuk and should be default with KDE 4.7.3
[10:31] <Mamarok> currently there only is 2.7.0, which is not exactly up-to-date
[10:39] <valorie> whoah, apachelogger -- when I see dialogs like that I feel stupid and close them 
[10:39] <valorie> I thought I was the only one
[13:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Because dailies are broken
[13:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: LP doesnt support git submodules and I can't do anything about it
[13:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, wendar, yofel: in Poland, the dock one is 2k polish zloty
[13:18] <Quintasan> Like 614 dollars
[13:19] <Quintasan> claydoh: Can you mail me the copy of the expenses claim form? I seem to have deleted mine :/
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 2 things
[17:05] <shadeslayer> 1) Daily builds are currently broken, please proceed to blame Quintasan for not fixing them
[17:06] <shadeslayer> 2) That dialog should not pop up ... I think you're missing one of the modules, which one, I'm not quite sure
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I get : http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/13/plasma-desktoprD1779.png
[19:03] <skfin> Why on earth is plymounth so hardcoded to Kubuntu
[19:04] <skfin> It's that hardcoded that you can't remove it's packages or remove it from the boot process
[19:04] <skfin> You can hide it with noplymouth boot parameter but it actually runs on background anyway
[19:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I call bullshit
[19:05] <BarkingFish> skfin: I don't even know what it does, but if it would be possible to remove, i'd do it :) Means I'd be using less space!
[19:05] <Quintasan> Ask LP to fix git submodules first
[19:05] <skfin> BarkingFish: Its the graphical splash screen during the boot
[19:06] <skfin> I want to see the traditional "Starting ntpd...              [OK]" without running plymouth in the background
[19:06] <skfin> I dont see any reason why a graphical splash screen should be hardcoded to run on boot
[19:07] <BarkingFish> i'd prefer a verbose boot too, still haven't figured out how to get one yet :)
[19:07] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:07] <skfin> BarkingFish: Add noplymounth and verbose to boot parameters
[19:07] <skfin> That should do the trick
[19:07] <BarkingFish> excellent.  
[19:08]  * BarkingFish vanishes to edit his grub files
[19:08] <skfin> But plymounth will run on the background, it just doesnt show :)
[19:08] <skfin> http://i.imgur.com/G0JZi.png
[19:08] <yofel> skfin: if you remove plymouth, mountall and thus fsck etc. can't talk to you anymore
[19:08] <yofel> it's what manages the use interaction with upstart
[19:09] <yofel> sure you can remove the *splash*
[19:09] <skfin> Aaannddd that leads to another question: why is upstart so hardcoded to kubuntu?
[19:09] <yofel> but not plymouth
[19:09] <yofel> because sys-v-init sucked at boot speed?
[19:09] <skfin> For sure
[19:09] <skfin> But when comparing Upstart and systemd, upstart sucks at boot speed
[19:10] <yofel> uhm, IIRC, when upstart was drafted, systemd didn't yet exist
[19:10] <skfin> Upstart has some awesome things, I like how it's event-based system is implemented, but still...
[19:10] <yofel> they'll be discussing systemd for 12.10 I think, but I don't know more
[19:10] <skfin> Ok, fine
[19:10] <skfin> systemd as an option would be good also
[19:11] <skfin> It loads services in a bit more clever way...
[19:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, thats the dialog I got some time ago when I tried it on natty
[19:14] <apachelogger> so
[19:14] <yofel> BarkingFish: verbose boot is --verbose added to the kernel command line. (Warning: that's *VERY* verbose)
[19:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: plz be fixing the ppa
[19:15] <BarkingFish> one more thing, right - since we're not supposed to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg or whatever it is, i just went to look at /etc/grub/10_linux section to add the commands I want permanently into the config - how the hell do you code that? :)
[19:15] <BarkingFish> */etc/grub.d/10_linux
[19:16] <yofel>  /etc/default/grub isn't enough for what you need?
[19:16] <BarkingFish> yofel: I thought you weren't supposed to edit those files, i thought they were meant to be built from the sections when you do grub-mkconfig
[19:17] <BarkingFish> that was what I understood from the web anywho
[19:17] <yofel>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg: don't edit, /etc/default/grub: please edit
[19:17] <yofel> !grub2 > BarkingFish
[19:18] <BarkingFish> I know about grub2, i must have misunderstood the text of those links, i've seen that before :)
[19:21] <BarkingFish> right, back in a tick, just edited some default stuff, gonna check I've not borked my kit
[20:17] <BarkingFish> guys - is there any way of checking when a package was last available please?  I'm looking for something called SKIM, the kde helper app for SCIM, but trying to install it's telling me it may be missing, obsoleted, or available only from another source.
[20:17] <BarkingFish> Have we ever had it in repo?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> BarkingFish: looks to be gone since natty: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skim/+changelog
[20:29] <apachelogger> broken stuff must be gone
[20:29] <BarkingFish> dang.
[20:30] <BarkingFish> I'm trying to get 11.10 to type in Hangul, I'm learning korean, and scim on its own is a sod.  
[20:30] <yofel> bug 727386
[20:30] <BarkingFish> I cannot get this thing to type Hangul or Hanja regardless
[20:30] <yofel> is what caused it's removal
[20:32] <BarkingFish> so the fact that it relied on kde3libs means its gone, right?
[20:32] <BarkingFish> <sad panda
[20:33] <BarkingFish> I need to get this thing writing at the bare minimum in Hangul within the next sorta 24-48 hours
[20:34] <zorael_> BarkingFish: Tried UIM? I use it with Anthy, works great
[20:35] <BarkingFish> zorael: at the moment, no i haven't. But if it works, i'll try it.
[20:37] <BarkingFish> well that's a problem, uim-common refuses to install.
[20:37] <BarkingFish> dpkg: error: version 'uim-common' has bad syntax: version number does not start with a digit
[20:42] <BarkingFish> hm. seems to have installed, let's have a fiddle and see if this works :)
[20:44] <BarkingFish> 안녕하세요. 나는 우리가 제대로 작동 될 것 같아요.
[20:44] <BarkingFish> First check, is that visible to everyone?
[20:45] <yofel> yes
[20:45] <yofel> (not that I can read it ^^)
[20:46] <BarkingFish> that's a start at least :)  It just says good evening, I think it may be working correctly.
[20:46] <BarkingFish> I just wanted to lob something in to test it
[20:48] <BarkingFish> At least, that's what I hope it says - I've been doing homestudy for a few weeks, and been accepted onto a course to learn the language properly, this is why I wanted my PC to be able to type in Korean.