| bodhi_zazen | paultag: do you still suck ? | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| bodhi_zazen | wb cprofitt | 00:32 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: yep! | 00:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | hey paultag , how have you been ? | 00:33 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: well, thanks, how are you? | 00:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | You going to make it to Jackson Hole this winter ? | 00:34 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: super tempted | 00:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | Jackson rocks, would be great to have you join the tribe | 00:34 |
| paultag | +1 | 00:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | February ... Jackson ... ski it if you can | 00:37 |
| paultag | for sure :) | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/TramFromSubletteQuadChair.JPG | 00:41 |
| paultag | hot damn | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | We have been talking about skiing this face : https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/MoreBackcountry.JPG | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | requires a little hiking | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | Those green signs are ski area boundary, close, but very much below, to where hiking starts | 00:44 |
| nigelb | 48 | 00:45 |
| nigelb | urgh | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | paultag: tram shots : http://www.skirebel.com/magazine/ski-resort-pictures/612684/Jackson-Hole-Tram.jpg | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/how-to-survive-jackson-holes-tram.html | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | paultag: I've got to run for now, if those pics do not tempt you, you must be dead =) | 00:52 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: :) | 00:52 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: we'll chat soon, man :) | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | I was doing laps off the tram (4,000 ft elevation + hiking) last year | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Hiking the head wall | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Pic - http://www.jhunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/headwall-jhmr-aerial-frederick.jpg | 00:54 |
| paultag | :) | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | See that terrain off to the right =) | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | Hike up - http://teendrama.com/dens/journal/2008/skirecap/jackson_hiking_headwall.jpg | 00:54 |
| Pendulum | bodhi_zazen: now I want to go and I can't even hike anymore :( | 00:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://www.circumerrostock.com/media/stock/full/jackson+hole+wy-hiking+the+headwall+at+the+jackson+hole+mountain+resort-6HHW1019.jpg | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | Pendulum: come on out | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | Jackson Hole, we go with a large tribe | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | First week of February | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | Careful though, the terrain is insane - Steep & Deep | 00:58 |
| Pendulum | bodhi_zazen: I'm a wheelchair user these days. This is why I no longer hike. | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | Oh, sorry to hear that | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | We will rig you up with one of those devices so you can ski | 00:59 |
| Pendulum | it is what it is. At least I hiked when I could :) | 00:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2008/12/12/disabled_ski2_428x269_to_468x312.jpg | 00:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/12/sports/13ski.1.600.jpg | 01:00 |
| Pendulum | yeah, I'd like to learn to sit-ski at some point if I can figure out how to do it without wrecking my shoulder further (I have a relatively unusual genetic condition that means that my joints are crap, to put it in general terms) | 01:01 |
| mhall119 | paultag: you around? | 01:48 |
| paultag | mhall119: yep | 01:48 |
| paultag | mhall119: what's up, hombre? | 01:48 |
| mhall119 | so I've been reading Smith's Wealth of Nations lately | 01:48 |
| paultag | mhall119: Yeah? | 01:48 |
| mhall119 | and now I'm thinking of writing one or more blog posts comparing open source ecosystem to capitalism | 01:48 |
| paultag | mhall119: oh, fun | 01:49 |
| paultag | I'm sure RMS would be just so stoked (irony?) | 01:49 |
| mhall119 | heh, not with what I'm planning to write about him | 01:49 |
| mhall119 | nothing bad, just a theory I have about why more people admire Linus | 01:51 |
| mhall119 | I guess that's not exactly clear | 01:51 |
| mhall119 | I'm trying to determine what exactly constitutes currency in FLOSS | 01:53 |
| paultag | mhall119: well, I disagree in a fairly heavy way, so I'm not going to help muchly :) | 01:57 |
| paultag | not able, actually | 01:57 |
| mhall119 | I was actually hoping for a counter-point post from you | 01:57 |
| paultag | Oh, goody! | 01:58 |
| paultag | mhall119: which bit? | 01:59 |
| mhall119 | the whole thing, once I write it | 01:59 |
| paultag | mhall119: sure, I'd be happy to | 02:00 |
| mhall119 | I'll let you know, I'm still brainstorming, so there's no telling how long it'll take me | 02:00 |
| paultag | sure nuf! | 02:00 |
| mhall119 | who knows, maybe I'll convince myself that I'm wrong while I'm writing it, that's been known to happen | 02:00 |
| paultag | mhall119: :) | 02:01 |
| mhall119 | paultag: what makes you work on Fluxbox? | 02:03 |
| paultag | mhall119: what an interesting question | 02:04 |
| paultag | mhall119: you know, I don't know. I think it boils down to motivated self-interest | 02:04 |
| nigelb | Probably because no one uses it and he can do anything he wants . | 02:04 |
| * nigelb ducks and runs | 02:04 | |
| paultag | so, ego | 02:05 |
| paultag | I guess | 02:05 |
| * nigelb hugs paultag | 02:05 | |
| * paultag hugs nigelb | 02:05 | |
| mhall119 | interesting | 02:05 |
| mhall119 | paultag: when you say ego, do you mean it makes you feel good when you do it, or when someone else sees that you've done it? | 02:07 |
| * mhall119 is going to put the nook's highlighting and bookmarking through it paces on this one I think | 02:09 | |
| paultag | mhall119: I say ego because i'm only doing it for myself | 02:15 |
| paultag | which is inherently egotistical | 02:15 |
| paultag | personally, I don't care about the 'cred | 02:15 |
| mhall119 | lots of people don't do their jobs for the money | 02:16 |
| paultag | mhall119: true, but those jobs might not impact their life | 02:16 |
| paultag | where I'm a user, this software being unmaintained and unusable to me in aspect X makes my life worse | 02:16 |
| mhall119 | right | 02:17 |
| paultag | so, ego :) | 02:17 |
| mhall119 | I think people who don't do their job for money get a similar personal return from it | 02:17 |
| mhall119 | I know talking to teachers and people who work at non-profits, that's the case | 02:18 |
| paultag | well, that's just sort of core to marxism | 02:18 |
| mhall119 | so, why become a Debian maintainer? | 02:18 |
| paultag | you're not being alienated by your labor | 02:18 |
| paultag | mhall119: the process of sponsorship takes more time then I want to | 02:18 |
| paultag | mhall119: so with DM, I can choose to upload software I know is good | 02:19 |
| mhall119 | but why upload? | 02:19 |
| paultag | mhall119: again, motivated self-interest | 02:19 |
| paultag | mhall119: I use Debian, no one else was updating package Y, so I choose to upload Y so it's usable, according to, well, me | 02:20 |
| paultag | which again, saves me pain, overall | 02:20 |
| mhall119 | but it was usable to you before you uploaded it | 02:20 |
| paultag | mhall119: not to me :) | 02:20 |
| mhall119 | why not? | 02:20 |
| paultag | mhall119: which package, fluxbox in particular? | 02:20 |
| mhall119 | any really, but sure, let's use that as an example | 02:20 |
| paultag | mhall119: broken configs, hanging bugs that were fixed upstream, and so forth | 02:21 |
| paultag | exposed bugs cause me problems, they're like landmines | 02:21 |
| paultag | mhall119: I've got to run, but let's keep this going when I get this paback | 02:21 |
| paultag | back * | 02:21 |
| mhall119 | but couldn't you accomplish all of that on your own systems? | 02:21 |
| paultag | I like where this is going | 02:21 |
| paultag | mhall119: True, but I have more then one system | 02:21 |
| mhall119 | ok, thanks, you've given me a new perspective I hadn't considered | 02:21 |
| paultag | as well as new installs | 02:22 |
| paultag | mhall119: sure thing | 02:22 |
| paultag | we'll chat soon | 02:22 |
| * mhall119 looks forward to it | 02:23 | |
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| akgraner | he folks I'm working on the news letter any interesting LoCo news items between the 7th and today that you think should be included | 19:49 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, have you posted anything new to the loco directory blog this week (I've been afk most of this week so haven't caught up on all my RSS feeds) | 19:50 |
| akgraner | I'll keep looking but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything | 19:52 |
| czajkowski | nope sorry not blogged this week. | 19:52 |
| taowa | !lococouncil | 21:49 |
| ubot4 | lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com | 21:49 |
| czajkowski | taowa: hi there | 21:50 |
| taowa | Hellow | 21:50 |
| taowa | Hello | 21:50 |
| czajkowski | taowa: you're looking for help from the council ? | 21:52 |
| taowa | yes | 21:53 |
| czajkowski | taowa: well you can mail us if you like | 21:54 |
| czajkowski | there are 6 of us and not all are online now | 21:55 |
| taowa | czajkowski: Can i be a member of https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved | 21:57 |
| czajkowski | taowa: what team do you belong to ? | 21:58 |
| czajkowski | taowa: it's the team that becomes part of it not individuals | 21:58 |
| taowa | ubuntu-qc but i would like to be a direct member | 21:59 |
| czajkowski | taowa: that's not how it works | 21:59 |
| czajkowski | so teams in that list are approved teams | 21:59 |
| czajkowski | they've gone through a proces | 21:59 |
| czajkowski | all teams belong in https://launchpad.net/~locoteams | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | paultag: have you read ESR's Homesteading the Noosphere? | 22:25 |
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