[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: do you still suck ?
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> wb cprofitt 
[00:33] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: yep!
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> hey paultag , how have you been ?
[00:34] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: well, thanks, how are you?
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> You going to make it to Jackson Hole this winter ?
[00:34] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: super tempted
[00:34] <bodhi_zazen> Jackson rocks, would be great to have you join the tribe 
[00:35] <paultag> +1
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> February ... Jackson ... ski it if you can
[00:40] <paultag> for sure :)
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/TramFromSubletteQuadChair.JPG
[00:41] <paultag> hot damn
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> We have been talking about skiing this face : https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/MoreBackcountry.JPG
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> requires a little hiking
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> Those green signs are ski area boundary, close, but very much below, to where hiking starts
[00:45] <nigelb> 48
[00:45] <nigelb> urgh
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: tram shots : http://www.skirebel.com/magazine/ski-resort-pictures/612684/Jackson-Hole-Tram.jpg
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/how-to-survive-jackson-holes-tram.html
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: I've got to run for now, if those pics do not tempt you, you must be dead =)
[00:52] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: :)
[00:52] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: we'll chat soon, man :)
[00:53] <bodhi_zazen> I was doing laps off the tram (4,000 ft elevation + hiking) last year
[00:53] <bodhi_zazen> Hiking the head wall
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> Pic - http://www.jhunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/headwall-jhmr-aerial-frederick.jpg
[00:54] <paultag> :)
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> See that terrain off to the right =)
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> Hike up - http://teendrama.com/dens/journal/2008/skirecap/jackson_hiking_headwall.jpg
[00:55] <Pendulum> bodhi_zazen: now I want to go and I can't even hike anymore :(
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.circumerrostock.com/media/stock/full/jackson+hole+wy-hiking+the+headwall+at+the+jackson+hole+mountain+resort-6HHW1019.jpg
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> Pendulum: come on out
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> Jackson Hole, we go with a large tribe
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> First week of February 
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> Careful though, the terrain is insane - Steep & Deep
[00:58] <Pendulum> bodhi_zazen: I'm a wheelchair user these days. This is why I no longer hike.
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, sorry to hear that
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> We will rig you up with one of those devices so you can ski
[00:59] <Pendulum> it is what it is. At least I hiked when I could :)
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2008/12/12/disabled_ski2_428x269_to_468x312.jpg
[01:00] <bodhi_zazen> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/12/sports/13ski.1.600.jpg
[01:01] <Pendulum> yeah, I'd like to learn to sit-ski at some point if I can figure out how to do it without wrecking my shoulder further (I have a relatively unusual genetic condition that means that my joints are crap, to put it in general terms)
[01:48] <mhall119> paultag: you around?
[01:48] <paultag> mhall119: yep
[01:48] <paultag> mhall119: what's up, hombre?
[01:48] <mhall119> so I've been reading Smith's Wealth of Nations lately
[01:48] <paultag> mhall119: Yeah?
[01:48] <mhall119> and now I'm thinking of writing one or more blog posts comparing open source ecosystem to capitalism
[01:49] <paultag> mhall119: oh, fun 
[01:49] <paultag> I'm sure RMS would be just so stoked (irony?)
[01:49] <mhall119> heh, not with what I'm planning to write about him
[01:51] <mhall119> nothing bad, just a theory I have about why more people admire Linus
[01:51] <mhall119> I guess that's not exactly clear
[01:53] <mhall119> I'm trying to determine what exactly constitutes currency in FLOSS
[01:57] <paultag> mhall119: well, I disagree in a fairly heavy way, so I'm not going to help muchly :)
[01:57] <paultag> not able, actually
[01:57] <mhall119> I was actually hoping for a counter-point post from you
[01:58] <paultag> Oh, goody!
[01:59] <paultag> mhall119: which bit?
[01:59] <mhall119> the whole thing, once I write it
[02:00] <paultag> mhall119: sure, I'd be happy to
[02:00] <mhall119> I'll let you know, I'm still brainstorming, so there's no telling how long it'll take me
[02:00] <paultag> sure nuf!
[02:00] <mhall119> who knows, maybe I'll convince myself that I'm wrong while I'm writing it, that's been known to happen
[02:01] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[02:03] <mhall119> paultag: what makes you work on Fluxbox?
[02:04] <paultag> mhall119: what an interesting question
[02:04] <paultag> mhall119: you know, I don't know. I think it boils down to motivated self-interest
[02:04] <nigelb> Probably because no one uses it and he can do anything he wants .
[02:04]  * nigelb ducks and runs
[02:05] <paultag> so, ego
[02:05] <paultag> I guess
[02:05]  * nigelb hugs paultag 
[02:05]  * paultag hugs nigelb 
[02:05] <mhall119> interesting
[02:07] <mhall119> paultag: when you say ego, do you mean it makes you feel good when you do it, or when someone else sees that you've done it?
[02:09]  * mhall119 is going to put the nook's highlighting and bookmarking through it paces on this one I think
[02:15] <paultag> mhall119: I say ego because i'm only doing it for myself
[02:15] <paultag> which is inherently egotistical
[02:15] <paultag> personally, I don't care about the 'cred
[02:16] <mhall119> lots of people don't do their jobs for the money
[02:16] <paultag> mhall119: true, but those jobs might not impact their life
[02:16] <paultag> where I'm a user, this software being unmaintained and unusable to me in aspect X makes my life worse
[02:17] <mhall119> right
[02:17] <paultag> so, ego :)
[02:17] <mhall119> I think people who don't do their job for money get a similar personal return from it 
[02:18] <mhall119> I know talking to teachers and people who work at non-profits, that's the case
[02:18] <paultag> well, that's just sort of core to marxism
[02:18] <mhall119> so, why become a Debian maintainer?
[02:18] <paultag> you're not being alienated by your labor
[02:18] <paultag> mhall119: the process of sponsorship takes more time then I want to
[02:19] <paultag> mhall119: so with DM, I can choose to upload software I know is good
[02:19] <mhall119> but why upload?
[02:19] <paultag> mhall119: again, motivated self-interest
[02:20] <paultag> mhall119: I use Debian, no one else was updating package Y, so I choose to upload Y so it's usable, according to, well, me
[02:20] <paultag> which again, saves me pain, overall
[02:20] <mhall119> but it was usable to you before you uploaded it
[02:20] <paultag> mhall119: not to me :)
[02:20] <mhall119> why not?
[02:20] <paultag> mhall119: which package, fluxbox in particular?
[02:20] <mhall119> any really, but sure, let's use that as an example
[02:21] <paultag> mhall119: broken configs, hanging bugs that were fixed upstream, and so forth
[02:21] <paultag> exposed bugs cause me problems, they're like landmines
[02:21] <paultag> mhall119: I've got to run, but let's keep this going when I get this paback
[02:21] <paultag> back *
[02:21] <mhall119> but couldn't you accomplish all of that on your own systems?
[02:21] <paultag> I like where this is going
[02:21] <paultag> mhall119: True, but I have more then one system
[02:21] <mhall119> ok, thanks, you've given me a new perspective I hadn't considered
[02:22] <paultag> as well as new installs
[02:22] <paultag> mhall119: sure thing
[02:22] <paultag> we'll chat soon
[02:23]  * mhall119 looks forward to it
[19:49] <akgraner> he folks I'm working on the news letter any interesting LoCo news items between the 7th and today that you think should be included
[19:50] <akgraner> czajkowski, have you posted anything new to the loco directory blog this week (I've been afk most of this week so haven't caught up on all my RSS feeds)
[19:52] <akgraner> I'll keep looking but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything 
[19:52] <czajkowski> nope sorry not blogged this week.
[21:49] <taowa> !lococouncil
[21:49] <ubot4> lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[21:50] <czajkowski> taowa: hi there
[21:50] <taowa> Hellow
[21:50] <taowa> Hello
[21:52] <czajkowski> taowa: you're looking for help  from the council ?
[21:53] <taowa> yes
[21:54] <czajkowski> taowa: well you can mail us if you like 
[21:55] <czajkowski> there are 6 of us and not all are online now 
[21:57] <taowa> czajkowski: Can i be a member of https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved
[21:58] <czajkowski> taowa: what team do you belong to ?
[21:58] <czajkowski> taowa: it's the team that becomes part of it not individuals 
[21:59] <taowa> ubuntu-qc but i would like to be a direct member
[21:59] <czajkowski> taowa: that's not how it works 
[21:59] <czajkowski> so teams in that list are approved teams 
[21:59] <czajkowski> they've gone through a proces
[22:00] <czajkowski> all teams belong in https://launchpad.net/~locoteams
[22:25] <mhall119> paultag: have you read ESR's Homesteading the Noosphere?