[00:11] paultag: do you still suck ? [00:32] wb cprofitt [00:33] bodhi_zazen: yep! [00:33] hey paultag , how have you been ? [00:34] bodhi_zazen: well, thanks, how are you? [00:34] You going to make it to Jackson Hole this winter ? [00:34] bodhi_zazen: super tempted [00:34] Jackson rocks, would be great to have you join the tribe [00:35] +1 [00:37] February ... Jackson ... ski it if you can [00:40] for sure :) [00:41] https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/TramFromSubletteQuadChair.JPG [00:41] hot damn [00:43] We have been talking about skiing this face : https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/ajhackbarth/web/Pictures/jacksonhole/MoreBackcountry.JPG [00:43] requires a little hiking [00:44] Those green signs are ski area boundary, close, but very much below, to where hiking starts [00:45] 48 [00:45] urgh [00:45] paultag: tram shots : http://www.skirebel.com/magazine/ski-resort-pictures/612684/Jackson-Hole-Tram.jpg [00:47] http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/how-to-survive-jackson-holes-tram.html [00:52] paultag: I've got to run for now, if those pics do not tempt you, you must be dead =) [00:52] bodhi_zazen: :) [00:52] bodhi_zazen: we'll chat soon, man :) [00:53] I was doing laps off the tram (4,000 ft elevation + hiking) last year [00:53] Hiking the head wall [00:54] Pic - http://www.jhunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/headwall-jhmr-aerial-frederick.jpg [00:54] :) [00:54] See that terrain off to the right =) [00:54] Hike up - http://teendrama.com/dens/journal/2008/skirecap/jackson_hiking_headwall.jpg [00:55] bodhi_zazen: now I want to go and I can't even hike anymore :( [00:56] http://www.circumerrostock.com/media/stock/full/jackson+hole+wy-hiking+the+headwall+at+the+jackson+hole+mountain+resort-6HHW1019.jpg [00:56] Pendulum: come on out [00:56] Jackson Hole, we go with a large tribe [00:57] First week of February [00:58] Careful though, the terrain is insane - Steep & Deep [00:58] bodhi_zazen: I'm a wheelchair user these days. This is why I no longer hike. [00:58] Oh, sorry to hear that [00:59] We will rig you up with one of those devices so you can ski [00:59] it is what it is. At least I hiked when I could :) [00:59] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/tm/2008/12/12/disabled_ski2_428x269_to_468x312.jpg [01:00] http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/12/sports/13ski.1.600.jpg [01:01] yeah, I'd like to learn to sit-ski at some point if I can figure out how to do it without wrecking my shoulder further (I have a relatively unusual genetic condition that means that my joints are crap, to put it in general terms) [01:48] paultag: you around? [01:48] mhall119: yep [01:48] mhall119: what's up, hombre? [01:48] so I've been reading Smith's Wealth of Nations lately [01:48] mhall119: Yeah? [01:48] and now I'm thinking of writing one or more blog posts comparing open source ecosystem to capitalism [01:49] mhall119: oh, fun [01:49] I'm sure RMS would be just so stoked (irony?) [01:49] heh, not with what I'm planning to write about him [01:51] nothing bad, just a theory I have about why more people admire Linus [01:51] I guess that's not exactly clear [01:53] I'm trying to determine what exactly constitutes currency in FLOSS [01:57] mhall119: well, I disagree in a fairly heavy way, so I'm not going to help muchly :) [01:57] not able, actually [01:57] I was actually hoping for a counter-point post from you [01:58] Oh, goody! [01:59] mhall119: which bit? [01:59] the whole thing, once I write it [02:00] mhall119: sure, I'd be happy to [02:00] I'll let you know, I'm still brainstorming, so there's no telling how long it'll take me [02:00] sure nuf! [02:00] who knows, maybe I'll convince myself that I'm wrong while I'm writing it, that's been known to happen [02:01] mhall119: :) [02:03] paultag: what makes you work on Fluxbox? [02:04] mhall119: what an interesting question [02:04] mhall119: you know, I don't know. I think it boils down to motivated self-interest [02:04] Probably because no one uses it and he can do anything he wants . [02:04] * nigelb ducks and runs [02:05] so, ego [02:05] I guess [02:05] * nigelb hugs paultag [02:05] * paultag hugs nigelb [02:05] interesting [02:07] paultag: when you say ego, do you mean it makes you feel good when you do it, or when someone else sees that you've done it? [02:09] * mhall119 is going to put the nook's highlighting and bookmarking through it paces on this one I think [02:15] mhall119: I say ego because i'm only doing it for myself [02:15] which is inherently egotistical [02:15] personally, I don't care about the 'cred [02:16] lots of people don't do their jobs for the money [02:16] mhall119: true, but those jobs might not impact their life [02:16] where I'm a user, this software being unmaintained and unusable to me in aspect X makes my life worse [02:17] right [02:17] so, ego :) [02:17] I think people who don't do their job for money get a similar personal return from it [02:18] I know talking to teachers and people who work at non-profits, that's the case [02:18] well, that's just sort of core to marxism [02:18] so, why become a Debian maintainer? [02:18] you're not being alienated by your labor [02:18] mhall119: the process of sponsorship takes more time then I want to [02:19] mhall119: so with DM, I can choose to upload software I know is good [02:19] but why upload? [02:19] mhall119: again, motivated self-interest [02:20] mhall119: I use Debian, no one else was updating package Y, so I choose to upload Y so it's usable, according to, well, me [02:20] which again, saves me pain, overall [02:20] but it was usable to you before you uploaded it [02:20] mhall119: not to me :) [02:20] why not? [02:20] mhall119: which package, fluxbox in particular? [02:20] any really, but sure, let's use that as an example [02:21] mhall119: broken configs, hanging bugs that were fixed upstream, and so forth [02:21] exposed bugs cause me problems, they're like landmines [02:21] mhall119: I've got to run, but let's keep this going when I get this paback [02:21] back * [02:21] but couldn't you accomplish all of that on your own systems? [02:21] I like where this is going [02:21] mhall119: True, but I have more then one system [02:21] ok, thanks, you've given me a new perspective I hadn't considered [02:22] as well as new installs [02:22] mhall119: sure thing [02:22] we'll chat soon [02:23] * mhall119 looks forward to it === JanC is now known as Guest33428 === LjL is now known as aoupi === aoupi is now known as LjL [19:49] he folks I'm working on the news letter any interesting LoCo news items between the 7th and today that you think should be included [19:50] czajkowski, have you posted anything new to the loco directory blog this week (I've been afk most of this week so haven't caught up on all my RSS feeds) [19:52] I'll keep looking but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything [19:52] nope sorry not blogged this week. [21:49] !lococouncil [21:49] lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com [21:50] taowa: hi there [21:50] Hellow [21:50] Hello [21:52] taowa: you're looking for help from the council ? [21:53] yes [21:54] taowa: well you can mail us if you like [21:55] there are 6 of us and not all are online now [21:57] czajkowski: Can i be a member of https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved [21:58] taowa: what team do you belong to ? [21:58] taowa: it's the team that becomes part of it not individuals [21:59] ubuntu-qc but i would like to be a direct member [21:59] taowa: that's not how it works [21:59] so teams in that list are approved teams [21:59] they've gone through a proces [22:00] all teams belong in https://launchpad.net/~locoteams [22:25] paultag: have you read ESR's Homesteading the Noosphere?