[07:53] <danfish> good morning all!
[07:55] <danfish> czajkowski: good game that. Re a match, I suggest a Quins game in Feb/Early March. The Turks Head is a great pub for before the game.
[07:56] <danfish> AlanBell: after discussion with the better half, Thursday 8th December looks good for a Surbiton Happy Hour :)
[09:13] <AlanBell> excellent danfish
[09:19] <danfish> I will look at public houses tomorrow - it's a chore I'm happy to do in the name of software freedom!
[09:23] <AlanBell> well done that man, take one for the team
[09:50] <czajkowski> danfish: sounds like a plan
[10:04] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1412/detail/
[10:04] <AlanBell> and http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[10:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:28] <asaaki> hello
[10:28] <asaaki> anyone home?
[10:29]  * AlanBell is at home
[10:29]  * brobostigon is also at home.
[10:29] <brobostigon> o/
[10:31] <asaaki> i'm trying to run a perl tool but get something like this: sh: /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33: Permission denied
[10:32] <asaaki> (is "anyone home?" actually a command on XChat?)
[10:35] <asaaki> howdee
[10:35] <asaaki> anyone
[10:35] <asaaki> ?
[10:35] <LSymonds> Asaaki: Are you using sudo?
[10:35] <LSymonds> Asaaki: and are you a super user?
[10:35] <asaaki> no
[10:35] <asaaki> i tried it as root and tried as a regular user
[10:37] <asaaki> yes i'm a super user
[10:37] <brobostigon> superuser is another word for root.
[10:38] <asaaki> if i work as a regular user and say run the program with sudo, it says: can't locate .pm in @INC
[10:39] <asaaki> even though i just set the variable using export PERL5LIB
[10:39] <brobostigon> did you set it only within your normal user? or within root aswell?
[10:40] <asaaki> both
[10:40] <asaaki> but i dont need to use "sudo" while working as "root", right?
[10:40] <AlanBell> what is it trying to do that it doesn't have permission to do?
[10:40] <AlanBell> is it something that would need root access?
[10:41] <AlanBell> or is it perhaps looking for a file that should have execute permissions?
[10:41] <AlanBell> is yamcha something that we should have heard of?
[10:41] <asaaki> no yamcha is just a tool
[10:41] <asaaki> and the tool i'm using (AMIRA), it uses yamcha
[10:42] <asaaki> but i installed yamcha and i think it's working fine. the make install and everything ran ok
[10:42] <brobostigon> !info yamcha
[10:42] <asaaki> AMIRA's also running okay... except for this
[10:42] <lubotu3`> Package yamcha does not exist in natty
[10:42] <asaaki> http://chasen.org/~taku/software/yamcha/#download
[10:42] <asaaki> it's an external tool
[10:43] <asaaki> nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:43] <asaaki> written in perl i guess
[10:43] <AlanBell> what does it do?
[10:43] <asaaki> it uses support vector machines to organize a given text into linguistic chunks
[10:44] <AlanBell> ah, I see
[10:44] <asaaki> :)
[10:44] <AlanBell> there is *no* way that should need root access
[10:44] <asaaki> so it should work as a regular user..
[10:44] <AlanBell> yes
[10:44] <asaaki> i get the same error, either way
[10:45] <asaaki> what does .sh: /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33: Permission denied even mean? i get that when using another tool that uses this yamcha
[10:45] <AlanBell> is your username nlp?
[10:45] <asaaki> i thought AMIRA is trying to use .sh or something... ?
[10:45] <asaaki> no its not nlp.. thats just the folder where i keep everything
[10:46] <LSymonds> try sudo sh /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33
[10:47] <AlanBell> no, it doesn't need root
[10:47] <asaaki> i just tried sh /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33
[10:47] <asaaki> um nothing happened.. just came on to the next prompt, no permissino denied
[10:47] <AlanBell> so you have a folder in /home/nlp that isn't your home folder
[10:48] <brobostigon> does your current user, have the right permissions to access that folder/directory?
[10:48] <AlanBell> are you the owner of that folder?
[10:48] <asaaki> yes i'm the owner of everything this is my personal laptop
[10:48] <asaaki> i just checked permissions and got this: drwxrwxrwx 13 asaaki asaaki   4096 2011-11-13 09:43 yamcha-0.33
[10:49] <asaaki> so i (asaaki) have full permissions on the yamcha-0.33 folder, no?
[10:49] <AlanBell> at that level you do
[10:49] <AlanBell> what is the command you are running?
[10:49] <asaaki> i run the AMIRA tool which then runs yamcha...
[10:49] <AlanBell> where is the data it is supposed to be reading and where is it supposed to be putting the output?
[10:50] <asaaki>  perl AMIRA.pl config=configs/my.amiraconfig file=firsttest/mada_unbwt_35349_sentences.txt
[10:50] <brobostigon> and isnt sh meant for executing scripts, not folders? as the previous example command was trying to do? or am i missing something.
[10:51] <asaaki> okay let me explain how it's working...
[10:51] <asaaki> i have /home/nlp/AMIRA-2.1 and /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33
[10:51] <asaaki> and the path for yamcha is mentioned right in the AMIRA tool
[10:51] <asaaki> so i go into the amira folder and run amira
[10:51] <asaaki> which is supposed to run yamcha
[10:51] <asaaki> i mean yamcha is just one of the things it runs... it has its own scripts and stuff
[10:52] <asaaki> so it works... but somewhere along the way it gives that permission denied thing, and it gives out the final output, but the output is all blank,because yamcha never worked, or was amira was denied permission to use it or something...
[10:52] <asaaki> i don't know because i'm not sure what sh does
[10:53] <asaaki> example:
[10:53] <asaaki> perl bin/AMIRA.pl config=configs/my.amiraconfig file=firsttest/arabic.SGM
[10:53] <asaaki> Running AMIRA ...
[10:53] <asaaki> Cleaning and converting input...
[10:54] <asaaki> Running yamcha for Tokenization
[10:54] <asaaki> sh: /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33: Permission denied
[10:54] <asaaki>  Producing formatted Tokenization output
[10:55] <asaaki> so the final "formatted tokenization output" just ends as a blank file, since AMIRA didn't get to run yamcha
[10:55] <AlanBell> so in the AMIRA tool it asked for the path to yamacha?
[10:55] <asaaki> yes, and i provided the path correctly (or so i believe):
[10:56] <asaaki> YAMCHA_EXEC = /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33
[10:56] <AlanBell> type "which yamacha"
[10:56] <AlanBell> yeah, that bit is wrong!
[10:56] <asaaki> oh!
[10:56] <AlanBell> it is installed now, /home/nlp/yamacha-0.33 is just the place you built it
[10:56] <AlanBell> so the executable has now been installed at /usr/local/bin/yamacha or /usr/bin/yamacha right?
[10:57] <asaaki> yes!
[10:57] <asaaki> k lemme change it and try
[10:57] <AlanBell> /home/nlp/yamacha-0.33 has no further use, you can delete that if you want :)
[10:58] <asaaki> aha! it's working now! :D
[10:58] <asaaki> thanks
[10:58] <asaaki> first it said the .pm thing not in @INC, so i did export PERL5LIB
[10:59] <asaaki> where can i set this permanently though, so i don't need to export each time?
[10:59] <AlanBell> not sure
[11:00] <asaaki> /home/nlp/AMIRA-2.1/bin/AMIRA-BPCFinal.pl: Error - Unable to open final tokenization output file firsttest/mada_unbwt_35349_sentences.txt.amirabpc for writing.
[11:00] <asaaki> don't think this is a tool-specific problem... but ubuntu permissions again?
[11:01] <asaaki> i looked at the folder and that long file with .amirabpc extension has a lock on it
[11:24] <asaaki> ok it's working fine now
[11:24] <asaaki> :)
[11:24] <asaaki> bye have a nice day! :)
[11:26] <czajkowski> http://glow-london.blogspot.com/2011/11/glow-on-november-28th.html  if anyone is interested
[11:27] <brobostigon> lol, reginald d hunter, just mentioned using a schredder, to shred marajuana, on the bbc.
[12:54] <penguin42> anyone know a source of cheap dual port pci-e low profile network cards? There are loads of places that google search shows as having startech ones for about £25 - but they're all out of stock, and the next ones are ~£100
[13:29] <popey> wheee
[13:40] <DaveBug> woo - übersplit!
[13:56] <bigcalm> So far only 6 people might or might not be attending the xmas meal. I wish more peepes would sign up: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[14:04] <nymwar> This may sound like a strange request, but how do I edit my user details on http://ubuntuforums.org ?
[14:04] <nymwar> If I click on "user CP" (don't no what CP means) I just get a message saying "you do not have permission to access this page"
[14:09] <nymwar> My user details on ubuntuforums are way out of date.  According to this I'm still on 9.04
[14:11] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I did email the canonical-uk list but I got held in moderation, no idea if my mails there ever get through
[14:13] <czajkowski> AlanBell: just ask one of the London offices to forward it on
[14:15] <nymwar> Also another question.  I've developed some software and packaged it, but I'd like to include a screenshot when it gets opened in the Software Center.  Any ideas on how to do that?
[14:15] <czajkowski> I think maybe not having a date in mind may be a factor for some
[14:15] <AlanBell> probably, bit catch 22 though
[14:16] <AlanBell> well I will set a date for it on Monday
[14:16] <czajkowski> aye
[14:16] <czajkowski> nice idea
[14:17] <czajkowski> for something different mind you
[14:17] <AlanBell> emailing people at canonical tends to be less than entirely productive
[14:17] <czajkowski> I may pop along afterwards for drinks, but the dininig experience is not something I'd enjoy tbh
[14:17] <czajkowski> but I think tis a nice idea for something new
[14:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I poked TREllis for the happy hour to send mail to the office
[14:17] <AlanBell> print announcement, take train to millbank, beg to be let in, stick announcement on fridge
[14:18] <AlanBell> that appears to be the correct procedure
[14:18] <czajkowski> heheh
[14:19] <AlanBell> I emailed marianna and silbs about it a few weeks ago, before UDS and got no reply
[14:20] <Pendulum> AlanBell: unfortunately that's a bad time to e-mail those 2
[14:20] <AlanBell> and I emailed them again on thursday
[14:22] <AlanBell> nymwar: http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/upload (ignore the debian branding)
[14:23] <nymwar> I've looked at that, but my package isn't an official debian repository one.
[14:24] <czajkowski> 6
[14:25] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I'm sure someone will get it circulated, I'd say they probably do their own xmas bash as well
[14:25] <AlanBell> probably
[14:26] <TREllis> AlanBell: ah, never saw a mail from you on canonical-uk
[14:26] <AlanBell> does anyone do moderation on that list?
[14:27] <AlanBell> do my mails just go to /dev/null
[14:27] <TREllis> I expect there is someone doing it, but it might have got put to /dev/null :-)
[14:27] <czajkowski> TREllis: morning :)
[14:27] <TREllis> czajkowski: morning
[14:28] <TREllis> of course, now you can bribe popey to posting it to an internal list :-)
[14:29] <AlanBell> yeah, but that will cost me a lot of beers
[14:30] <Pendulum> AlanBell: he doesn't owe you a lot of beers already?
[14:30] <AlanBell> there are various people I can poke to send mails internally, (chris kenyon, popey, TREllis, Matt Barker, Amanda Brock) but they all seem to be kind of an unofficial route in
[14:31] <Pendulum> I don't think there is an official route in for non-Canonical folks
[14:31] <AlanBell> Pendulum: oh, probably :)
[14:31] <TREllis> AlanBell: 2nd Dec is the Canonical party, so if you want a chance of anyone making it... don't book anything up for that date :)
[14:31] <Pendulum> which isn't surprising
[14:31] <AlanBell> TREllis: good to know, thanks
[14:32] <AlanBell> TREllis: there is a happy hour in surbiton on the 8th December
[14:32] <AlanBell> I sent an email about that to canonical-uk as well
[14:34] <bastubis> Speaking of meetups, Flossie London meetup starts in 30 mins - we'll be tweeting on #flossie and in the #fossbox channel on freenode as well as hanging out here messing about with alternive social networking. All women welcome
[14:35] <TREllis> AlanBell: ah. No sign of that one either, if you want something fwded on, I'm happy to do that
[14:36] <AlanBell> just this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-November/032000.html I put canonical-uk in bcc
[14:37] <AlanBell> I think very few people in the office are on the ubuntu-uk mailing list, which is fine, but occasionally it would be nice to invite them to events we are organising
[14:39] <penguin42> file a lp entry....
[14:40] <AlanBell> penguin42: what do you mean?
[14:40] <penguin42> AlanBell: Bug on Ubuntu 'Christmas party bookings not needed' and assign it to a bunch of people :-)
[14:41] <penguin42> ^needed^added
[14:41] <AlanBell> interesting idea!
[14:43] <penguin42> (but don't blame me.....101 tips for abusing bug trackers....)
[15:00] <DJones> Hmmh, which ubuntu download do I need when I get this error message Ubuntu – This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU.
[15:00] <DJones> I'd downloaded the default 32 bit version, but thats the error I get
[15:02] <DJones> I thought the i386/32 bit version was the right one
[15:06] <popey> is it an old computer?
[15:06] <popey> whats the filename of the iso?
[15:06] <DJones> Hmmh, i386 desktop cd gives the error, i386 alternate cd doesn't
[15:06] <DJones> Its about 4-5 years old
[15:07] <DJones> iso is ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso
[15:07] <popey> what cpu is it?
[15:07] <DJones> alternate cd is working ok
[15:07] <DJones> Not sure, its my mums old laptop
[15:07] <popey> what make & model?
[15:08] <DJones> Its a compaq presario c300
[15:09] <popey> which specific one?
[15:09] <popey> there's loads
[15:09] <popey> should have a model number on the underside
[15:09] <popey> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/ProductList.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=3213865&taskId=135
[15:10] <DJones> I know, I can't tell, the labels have faded on it
[15:10] <DJones> Thats the list I'm looking at
[15:10] <popey> heh
[15:10] <DJones> I'll see what comes up when its installed
[15:11] <DJones> Looks like it might be a celeron M 1.6Ghz
[15:12] <DJones> The rest of these spec's look the same & I think when I went into the bios it said 1.6Ghz http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080330041427AATaUuX
[15:12] <Oli> That should be well within the realms of i386.
[15:13] <Oli> I'd just try to verify that whatever you're booting it from is actually using the 32bit ISO. Sounds like an impossibly simple mistake but I'm sure it's possible!
[15:15] <DJones> "ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386" Downloaded direct from ubuntu website
[15:15] <popey> i have burned two coasters now
[15:15] <popey> this is getting annoying
[15:17] <popey> md5sum is okay
[15:17] <DJones> md5 for the iso matches c396dd0f97bd122691bdb92d7e68fde5 *ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso
[15:17] <popey> brasero barfs at the very end
[15:18] <Oli> popey: have you turned off manual checking? I know we've had a few people on AU who find that turning off the verification process lets the disk finalise.
[15:18] <Oli> I'll try and find a thread to confirm that.
[15:18] <popey> what option is that?
[15:18] <Oli> http://askubuntu.com/questions/20148/how-can-i-disable-checksum-future-in-brasero
[15:19] <popey> I only have a 'use burnproof' option
[15:19] <popey> the error I am getting is media sense failure
[15:19] <DJones> I downloaded Ubuntu 11.10 - Latest version, 32-bit (recommended) from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[15:20] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/737300/
[15:20] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/737301/
[15:20]  * popey smiles at 737300
[15:20] <popey> errors at the bottom
[15:21] <popey> the second one was burned at a much lower speed
[15:21] <popey> both on CRR
[15:21] <popey> *CDR
[15:21] <christel> bigcalm: done, albeit depending on the final date :)
[15:22] <buzz_> grumble. svn-load worked a couple of years ago.. then it broken with newer python. then it worked again for natty and now it's broken again on oneiric :(
[15:22] <buzz_> back to old perl then
[15:22]  * popey tries those options
[15:36] <popey> yay
[15:36] <popey> burned better
[15:36] <popey> thanks Oli
[15:37] <Oli> That worked? I'm surprised - I thought your issue looked a little different. There are certainly some bugs in Brasero that need serious attention.
[15:40] <popey> well, also I used a dvdr rather than cdr, so could be a different code path
[15:40] <popey> i didnt want to waste another cdr
[16:17] <Azelphur> got a networked printer, when I try to print on it from another machine it's demanding authentication. How do I turn that off?
[16:22] <Azelphur> it's quite annoying, I see no settings for it in the printer settings, all the info I've found so far on the web is outdated/wrong, and I never set a password in the first place for there to be one!
[16:26] <popey> Azelphur: when you say "in the printer settings" where is that?
[16:26] <popey> cups on your pc or browser pointed at the printer IP?
[16:26] <Azelphur> system-config-printer
[16:26] <popey> try pointing a browser at it
[16:27] <Azelphur> what port?
[16:27] <popey> they often have a webserver with settings in there
[16:27] <popey> 80 ☺
[16:27] <popey> or nmap it ☺
[16:27] <Azelphur> I already have a webserver running on port 80 so it's not 80
[16:27] <popey> no, on the printer
[16:27] <popey> http://ip_address_of_printer/
[16:27] <Azelphur> sorry, I mean I have a normal printer and am trying to share it
[16:27] <Azelphur> really bad wording there
[16:28] <popey> ah, sorry, thought it was networked
[16:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:28] <Azelphur> so laptop is trying to connect to pc to print
[16:28] <Azelphur> but pc is asking for authentication, which is silly :S
[16:31] <popey> its samba innit?
[16:32] <Azelphur> nah, cups
[16:32] <Azelphur> oh hey, success, re-added it as ipp instead of cups and now it seems to be going
[16:45] <christel> AlanBell: hoi! you around?
[16:48] <freakyclown> guys... anyone xubuntu gurus about?
[16:53] <Azelphur> !ask | freakyclown
[16:53] <lubotu3`> freakyclown: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[16:54] <freakyclown> er.. i was asking if someone who might be able to help was about...rathe rthan waste my time asking a question that will be ignored by those that cant help...
[16:57] <penguin42> freakyclown: Indeed but it's quicker to ask the question :-)
[16:57] <Azelphur> ^
[16:57] <penguin42> so, what was the question anyway?
[17:00]  * AlanBell wonders whether to say yes to christel
[17:01] <Azelphur> AlanBell: don't do it, it's a trap. Run.
[17:01] <AlanBell> I think it might be
[17:01] <AlanBell> freakyclown: there is #xubuntu which might be a better place to ask unspecified xubuntu questions
[17:02] <Azelphur> this is why I use the bot to reply to people that don't ask a question, 99% of the time no matter what you do, they won't actually ask the question.
[17:02] <Azelphur> It's like they want you to bludgeon them with a baseball bat to extort the question :P
[17:03] <AlanBell> I suspect freakyclown was going to ask a difficult question anyway :)
[17:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:03] <Azelphur> I've been using xfce for a while and I'm quite familiar with it now \o/
[17:03] <Azelphur> been using it as my main OS since 11.10 beta
[17:03]  * penguin42 tried it for a while, but decided to go with KDE in the end
[17:04] <AlanBell> because they haven't broken multimonitor support in that?
[17:04] <Azelphur> AlanBell: correct
[17:04] <Azelphur> AlanBell: not only is it not broken, but it actually seems to be supported, I can set my wallpaper per monitor and stuff
[17:04] <AlanBell> nice
[17:05] <Azelphur> I actually quite like Unity, I use it on my laptops
[17:05] <Azelphur> but when it comes to my PC, it just doesn't work so I can't use it :P
[17:06] <christel> AlanBell: hehe -- do you know of any car rental places closer to farnham than farnborough? :)
[17:06] <AlanBell> yeah, unity is OK, just various things like multi monitor and accessibility were not considered in the design phase, so got broken by design and now they are gradually being unbroken again
[17:06] <christel> renault needs 10 working days to replace the key for my car apparently
[17:07] <AlanBell> christel: there is one in Aldershot fairly near the station
[17:07] <christel> (admittedly it may have been silly of me to step on it with heels)
[17:07] <christel> i tried to google and it wanted to send me to somewhere in liphook, i've no idea where that even is!
[17:07] <AlanBell> I avoid wearing heels specifically to not break my car keys
[17:07] <Pendulum> christel: 10 working days o.O
[17:07] <christel> AlanBell: lovely! i shall stalk it
[17:07] <christel> Pendulum: yeah, they insist they need that long to get one from the manufacturer
[17:08] <christel> at which point they insist on towing my car from my house to their place to program the new key
[17:08] <christel> they tried to insist i drive it there
[17:08] <AlanBell> enterprise on arthur street
[17:08] <penguin42> christel: So if you stood on that one with the heels what did you do with your spare?
[17:08] <Azelphur> christel: if they are cheap, perhaps get a spare in case one gets lost or stepped on :)
[17:08] <christel> but after i while they understood that i couldn't start it
[17:08] <Azelphur> then you won't be out of a care should something go wrong next time lol
[17:08] <AlanBell> keys are no longer simple things
[17:08] <christel> penguin42: well.. i had two spares.. they have vanishd
[17:08] <Azelphur> car*
[17:08] <Azelphur> haha
[17:08] <Azelphur> now that's just bad luck
[17:08] <christel> Azelphur: mmm 200 for the replacement, 50 for the programming and god knows what for the towing!
[17:09] <Azelphur> christel: ouch :/
[17:09] <AlanBell> keys are getting so complicated now that if you lose one it is probably easier to get a new car
[17:09] <christel> no kidding!
[17:09] <penguin42> anyone use lxc ? How easy is it to setup?
[17:10] <christel> my car is rubbish mind, i think i've spent a lot more on parts and silly repairs than the car actual cost me
[17:10] <christel> (i am very much not buying a renault again)
[17:10]  * bigcalm returns from shopping!
[17:11] <penguin42> bigcalm: What did you get?
[17:12] <bigcalm> penguin42: half of Sainsbury's stock by the looks of it
[17:18] <penguin42> bigcalm: Oh cool, in that case just let me store the chocolate for you....
[17:27] <freakyclown> back sorry - major problem just then when i broke things worse :/
[17:28] <freakyclown> so running ubuntu 11.10 with unity etc... installed xubuntu-desktop - logged out/reboot and at the purple login screen I select xfce||xubuntu session
[17:29] <freakyclown> i see the xfce/xubuntu desktop flash up but then the purple screen is laying on top of everything so i cant use anythign at all
[17:29] <Azelphur> is the purple screen the default Ubuntu wallpaper? perhaps nautilus is drawing the desktop for some reason
[17:30] <freakyclown> dont think its the deafult desktop
[17:30] <bigcalm> freakyclown: open a terminal and kill nautils(sp?)
[17:30] <freakyclown> i cant open a terminal ;)
[17:30] <bigcalm> ctrl + alt + f2
[17:30] <freakyclown> oh i guess i could switch tty
[17:31] <freakyclown> ok brb let me log out and try again
[17:33] <bigcalm> freakyclown: how did you install xubuntu ?
[17:33] <freakyclown> right... ok nautilus wasnt running
[17:34] <freakyclown> and its definatly not the default desktop
[17:34] <bigcalm> I made the mistake of installing xfce instead of xubuntu-desktop
[17:34] <freakyclown> its the purple screen with the white dots over it.. and ubuntu 11.10 written on the bottom left
[17:35] <darael> freakyclown: Does an alt-click and drag do anything to the floating whatsit?
[17:36] <freakyclown> http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ubuntu-11.10-login-crop.jpg
[17:36] <freakyclown> i get that screen but without the login prompt/other/guest account part
[17:36] <freakyclown> so i select xfce/xubuntu from the drop down box..put in my password
[17:37] <freakyclown> xfce loads and the screen flickers back and forth btween the xfce desktop and the purple screen
[17:37] <freakyclown> then finishs on the purple screen
[17:37] <bigcalm> Your machine is possessed
[17:37] <freakyclown> and i cant do anything :/
[17:37] <freakyclown> indeed :(
[17:37] <Azelphur> freakyclown: did you install xubuntu-desktop or xfce
[17:38] <freakyclown> xubuntu-desktop
[17:38] <Azelphur> hmm
[17:38] <Azelphur> does Ubuntu work?
[17:38] <freakyclown> i uninstalled unity...and well...lets just say that was a scary moment :/
[17:38] <freakyclown> yeah im on that now
[17:38] <darael> If it's a window being drawn by some program, dropping to a tty and doing "DISPLAY=:0.0 xprop | less", going back to the desktop, clicking it, and returning to the tty /might/ get some info on it.  Just an idea.
[17:39] <Azelphur> that's a good idea ^
[17:41] <freakyclown> ok let me try that...brb
[17:44] <freakyclown> mmm ok i get alot of stuff back
[17:45] <freakyclown> what am i trying to find?
[17:49] <Azelphur> freakyclown: DISPLAY=:0.0 xprop | pastebinit
[17:49] <Azelphur> give link to us so we can see it :D
[17:50] <popey> I appear to have managed to install a system with username and hostname swapped
[17:50]  * penguin42 gives up on lxc
[17:50] <penguin42> doing a lxc-start on my newly created container kills the X of the host
[17:51] <bigcalm> popey: are you going to the xmas uu meal?
[17:51] <popey> hard to say without knowing when it is
[17:52] <AlanBell> when would you like it to be?
[17:52] <bigcalm> popey: then you can put yourself down as a maybe :)
[17:52] <popey> hmm
[17:53] <DJones> Finally, 11.10 installed, updated & broadcom wireless hit with a mallet
[17:56] <freakyclown> http://pastebin.com/BTNvxbgz
[18:26]  * freakyclown gives in trying to get it working
[18:26] <freakyclown> i need a working lappy for work tomorrow
[18:26] <freakyclown> :/
[18:32] <penguin42> freakyclown: Which display manager are you using? Lightdm?
[18:39] <popey> in unity2d is it possible to make the launcher not hide/
[18:46]  * mattt can't wait to get his hands on a raspberrypi board
[18:47]  * penguin42 can't wait to get his hands on his apple crumble; it should be done in about 15mins
[18:47] <mattt> mmm
[18:49] <czajkowski> .c
[19:00] <ixxvil> anyone codes in php a lot?
[19:00] <ixxvil> whats with php converting . to _?
[19:01] <ixxvil> unexpected behaviours
[19:02] <bigcalm> ixxvil: in what context?
[19:02] <LSymonds> ixxvil: what do you mean?
[19:02] <ixxvil> http://ca.php.net/variables.external
[19:03] <ixxvil> Dots in incoming variable names
[19:03] <bigcalm> Note:
[19:03] <bigcalm> Dots and spaces in variable names are converted to underscores. For example <input name="a.b" /> becomes $_REQUEST["a_b"].
[19:04] <ixxvil> so question is why does it convert dots to _?
[19:04] <bigcalm> It's intended behaviour
[19:04] <ixxvil> intended?
[19:04] <ixxvil> how so?
[19:04] <bigcalm> It's within the description on the page, not as part of a user comment
[19:07] <ixxvil> interesting
[19:14] <freakyclown> arggghhh help guys... i tried removing xubuntu-desktop
[19:14] <freakyclown> and now for some reason on reboot i get an xubuntu splash loading bar/screen
[19:14] <freakyclown> and it hangs there
[19:22] <darael> freakyclown: Dost thou get a grub menu on boot?  If so, edit the entry before booting (e, I think, but it's displayed what key to use) and remove the word "splash" from the kernel line.  That ought to bypass the splash screen.
[19:22] <freakyclown> nope
[19:23] <ubuntubhoy> press 'esc' after the bios screen
[19:23] <ubuntubhoy> should bring up grub
[19:23] <darael> The grub menu is usually accessed, when it's set not to display, by holding shift immediately after the bios screen.
[19:24] <darael> ubuntubhoy: My memory is that that's for grub.  For grub2 (which has been default for a few releases now) it's shift.
[19:24] <freakyclown> ok ill have to try that
[19:24]  * penguin42 burps in an appley manner
[19:24] <ubuntubhoy> TBH I've not used it since legacy
[19:24] <freakyclown> i can see the boot sequence
[19:24] <freakyclown> and i see the userspace splash start and stop
[19:25] <freakyclown> and i get to "stopping boot sequence OK"
[19:25] <darael> And it hangs there?  If so, canst thou drop to a TTY, or have they not started yet?
[19:28] <penguin42> freakyclown: try a ctrl-alt-f1 to see if you get any more
[19:29] <freakyclown> ok so i got rid of the splash and quiet from the startup
[19:30] <freakyclown> still stuck :/
[19:30] <penguin42> freakyclown: Did you change display manager or are you still on lightdm?
[19:30] <freakyclown> i had changed it to gdm
[19:31] <freakyclown> but changed it back
[19:31] <penguin42> freakyclown: OK, it's probably lightdm freaking out - it tends to break badly
[19:31] <freakyclown> awesome :(
[19:31] <penguin42> freakyclown: try ctrl-alt-f1 when it hangs to see if you get a login
[19:32] <freakyclown> yeah im on another tty to chat on irc
[19:32] <penguin42> freakyclown: OK, so nuke lightdm
[19:32] <penguin42> freakyclown: There may be some useful logs in /etc/lightdm as to why it broke - possibly because you haven't reinstalled the greeter it's configured for
[19:33] <popey> more likely /var/log/lightdm than /etc/lightdm
[19:33] <penguin42> oops yes, sorry
[19:34] <freakyclown> ooooooooook thats odd
[19:34] <freakyclown> ......
[19:34] <freakyclown> lightdm wasnt running
[19:34] <freakyclown> so i run it and got a login screen!
[19:34] <penguin42> hmm curious
[19:35]  * freakyclown ponders
[19:40] <freakyclown> mmm installed gdm
[19:40] <freakyclown> and thats fixed it
[19:40] <freakyclown> still no idea why i have a xubuntu splash screen though
[19:40] <freakyclown> but sod it - its working enough for work tomorrow!
[19:41]  * freakyclown owes penguin42 a pint
[19:41] <freakyclown> wouldnt have found the lightdm thing not working when i assumed it was!
[19:41] <penguin42> freakyclown: It seems to be a generic known bug with lightdm that it has many ways in 11.10 of just going 'no, I'm sulking'
[19:42] <freakyclown> rofl
[19:43] <freakyclown> anyway gotta get on the road now - cheers
[19:43] <penguin42> no problem; I'll remember the IoU for a pint of hot chocolate....
[20:31] <czajkowski> hmm I've been asked to speak at a scotish event ;)
[20:32] <mgdm> czajkowski: In April?
[20:34] <ubuntubhoy> Does it involve booze ?
[20:35] <czajkowski> mgdm: aye
[20:35] <czajkowski> ubuntubhoy: no idea
[20:35] <ubuntubhoy> Being a Scot, I can tell you it will go better if it does
[20:35] <mgdm> czajkowski: Cool, if you go, I'll see you there
[20:40] <mattt> ubuntubhoy: where in scotland?
[20:48] <ubuntubhoy> mattt, Glasgow
[20:58] <mattt> ubuntubhoy: nice, you enjoy living there?
[20:58]  * mattt wants to move to skye
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> Skye, and Glasgow are worlds apart
[20:59]  * mgdm moved from Lewis to Glasgow last year
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> feck, its jock city in here :D
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> but yeah, I like Glasgow
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> most of the time
[21:00] <mattt> ubuntubhoy: yeah, wasn't implying they were similar :P
[21:00] <mattt> mgdm: what'd you do that for?
[21:00] <ubuntubhoy> the grass is always greener
[21:00] <mgdm> mattt: got bored of Lewis, and got a job here
[21:01] <mattt> yeah, to be honest, i'd probably go mental on skye :P
[21:01] <mattt> but would love to give it a shot
[21:02] <ubuntubhoy> I am and think always will be a city boy
[21:02] <mgdm> I think I am too, despite not having been born in one :-)
[21:10] <mattt> mgdm: what kind of work did you do while in lewis?
[21:11] <mgdm> mattt: sysadmin/PHP coder
[21:11] <mgdm> now I just do the PHP
[21:12] <mattt> mgdm: work from home or something?  :P
[21:12] <mgdm> mattt: nope
[21:14] <mattt> jeez, must have been a miracle finding that
[21:15] <mgdm> Not really
[21:15] <mgdm> there's a lot of IT companies in Stornoway
[21:18] <LSymonds> Jobs.
[21:18] <LSymonds> If only I had one.
[21:26] <czajkowski> http://www.open-source-scotland.com/
[21:30] <ubuntubhoy> east coast
[21:30] <LSymonds> czajkowski, shame I'm no where near Edinburgh!
[21:32] <czajkowski> LSymonds: neither am I
[21:40] <mattt> jeez, some good speakers at that conference
[22:04] <diplo> evening all
[22:04] <AlanBell> happy hour \o/ http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1412/detail/
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