[09:05] sorry [09:15] for what? [09:16] that connect / disctonnect spam [09:16] had some problems with configuring xchat [09:16] np [14:25] GridCube: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync [14:26] oh :D [14:26] thank you very much astraljava [14:26] np [14:27] :) [14:28] im gonna do test on this netbook and on the desktop one :D [14:41] Excellent. I'm fearing I won't have much time to do the dailies this cycle. [14:42] :D i hope i do this cycle, i now have a netbook so i will be able to do them at work :P [14:44] That's good. Yeah I'm trying to do more devel work for Studio and here, as it in many cases benefits both. [14:46] astraljava, that link doesn not contain alternate [14:47] Drop the -live from the link. [14:47] :D [14:47] Also, sed -i s/desktop/alternative/g [14:47] thats more like it! [14:48] :D [14:48] i dont know what that means :P [14:49] ok :) its downloading 178 minutes :D [14:50] It's 1337 for swapping desktop in the filename with alternative [14:50] Not really. Just a very useful command in the CLI. [14:52] :P in any case it should be "alternate" and no "alternative" [14:55] My bad. [14:55] :) [16:19] knome, for oneiric we had this, dont know if adding it to the new roadmap is a good idea or not https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Oneiric/DefaultImageEditor [16:35] GridCube, if we can get an assignee for it, then yes. if you think nobody is willing to drive for the change, then i don't know. [16:35] oh, well, i just meant for it have already a comparizon and all [16:36] yeah. but it should still have an assignee. [16:36] but as i've tested the latest ristretto 0.3.0 it fixes most of the problems it had [16:36] so i don't see a need to change it now :D [16:36] yes, but that's a different thing, and that item is already on the list with assignee. [16:36] oh [16:36] :) [16:38] i also have this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/ProposedChanges [16:39] i can go through that list with you now if you have time [16:41] :) [16:41] ok [16:41] :D [16:41] okay [16:41] so the first item [16:41] well, i don't know if there is one we can use? [16:41] there is [16:41] you have to compile it tho [16:42] right. then the first step is to get it in the repositories [16:42] are you willing to be the assignee for that? [16:42] IMO okay to add that to the list, though it's no the highest priority [16:43] i don't know how its done, but if its easy ennough i will, im not the one who coded it tho [16:43] http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin/ [16:43] no problem. but it needs to be on the repositories so we can include it [16:44] does that use the indicator area? [16:44] no [16:44] its just an addon [16:44] right. [16:44] its not pretty but it works [16:44] i'd say add an action item to get that in the repositories first. [16:45] explain please [16:45] "Add xfce4-kbdleds-plugin to repositories" [16:45] anything we have by default MUST BE in the repositories. [16:45] where i add that? on the roadmap? [16:45] yeah. [16:45] in the new features table [16:46] :) [16:46] ok [16:46] check the example on adding new rows [16:46] you need to use the alternative row colors manually, since the wiki doesn't support this automatically.. [16:47] oookay [16:47] (i've filed a bug about that) [16:47] once the wiki logs me in... [16:47] yeah. [16:47] anyway, the next item; new wallpapers [16:47] we will have at least one new wallpaper [16:47] there is also the ubuntu community wallpaper package [16:47] which you can easily install [16:47] maybe we should make that known to people [16:48] other than that, i don't think we really will do much about that [16:48] oh oh, about that, i checked now, and there are plenty of new wallpapers! [16:48] yeah [16:48] we should clear the list otoh [16:48] i don't know when the came up, they werent there while i tested the daily images [16:49] can you send me an email at pasi@shimmerproject.org saying "clean wallpaper list, ubuntu community wallpapers" ? [16:49] (doesn't need to say anything else) [16:49] i'm just not at home right now so i'm not very productive in that sense:P [16:49] next item: [16:50] gpicviewer; well, i'm trying to get ristretto back. as it's seeded already, it's quite easy to set as default [16:50] next: [16:50] knome: sry, i might not be able to make the meeting tonight [16:50] darker theme; maybe for p+1. we're going to make greybird as stable as possible for 12.04 [16:50] well maybe i will, but i can't promise [16:50] ochosi, np [16:50] sure [16:50] we'll do fine [16:50] ok, see you later! [16:51] next: places for pseudo-dock; the places plugin is deprecated so won't happen... i'm hoping for some improvements for the dir plugin though [16:51] sorry knome i have to go fdor a moment [16:51] np [16:51] :D [16:51] i'll just write down everything here :P [16:51] thank you will comeback later! [16:52] GridCube, re: autologin. maybe ask mr_pouit about this. i have no idea what is going on regarding this. probably should be added to the roadmap anyway. [16:53] GridCube, re: start-menu to metakey; IMO this should come from upstream (xfce), not xubuntu. i'm not sure if i'm willing to go for this feature, but it's okay for me if you can change/disable the shortcut. [16:53] GridCube, re: gmb; i don't think we'll switch now to any other player [16:54] GridCube, re: deluge; if you are willing to take this action item, and do the specific app comparison, feel free to add it with yourself as assignee. if not, then try to get somebody to take the action item. [16:55] GridCube, re: xfburn; that should either be fixed upstream, or it won't be fixed. [16:56] GridCube, re: lubuntu package manager; i think USC works for many. synaptics is in the repo and i personally like it more than USC. it is more powerful, and we should point those willing to get more control over packages to it, but i don't think it would make a good default package manager. maybe add this item in the agenda for the next meeting in "other business" so we can discuss it. [16:57] that should be it. [16:57] i'll be back later today. [16:59] knome, ochosi : stochastic apparently has taken lead on the ubiquity patch for ubuntu studio, either he or i will document what we did and hopefully this will assist you [17:29] knome, about USC i've been having a lot of problems with it, usually it just doesnt open at all [18:19] ScottL, okay, good [18:20] * stochastic says hi. [18:20] Hey! Keep your thoughts in the meeting, dangit! [19:27] ScottL: thanks for the heads-up [19:27] and hi stochastic :) [19:28] hey ochosi [19:29] was it you that scott mentioned would be good to discuss theme related items with? [19:34] i would guess so, yes :) [19:35] okay, I'll keep that in mind [19:35] nice to meet you [19:37] Howdy stochastic and welcome! [19:37] * stochastic should disclose that he's here to bridge between Ubuntu Studio and Xubuntu, primarily to make Ubuntu Studio better (sorry for the self interests) [19:42] stochastic: nice to meet you too, no problem with the self-interest ;) [19:43] i'm pretty sure there'll be enough mutual benefit [19:43] Most definitely. [20:14] stochastic, we have a meeting in 1h 45mins. [20:20] * stochastic will likely listen in [21:00] xubuntu community meeting in 1 hour at #xubuntu-devel [21:22] Dude, get the bot from Unit193. [21:22] This is ridiculous. [21:22] Wait, what??? [21:22] I'm not even here... [21:30] Hey there. [21:30] Anybody can tell me if gnome-settings-daemon is installed by default on Xubuntu 11.10? [21:30] it is not [21:40] ok thanks [21:40] in fact, xfce4-volumed is not designed to work with pulseaudio. I had 3 reports about that lately [21:40] I'm not willing to fix at the moment because I want xvd to evolve at the same time than xfce4-mixer, so if you want this fixed, please advocate PulseAudio support to Jannis [21:41] I'm willing to write code, but that may not fit in the 12.04 release (i'm extremely busy) [21:54] I will be a little late to the meeting [21:55] Meetings at 11PM? [21:55] knome: ... you're evil man. [21:55] hehe [21:56] Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:56:41 -0500 [21:57] what's that meeting thing? when is it? [21:57] xubuntu team meeting at 22 UTC i think [21:58] :D [21:58] It starts in 1 minute [21:58] :D [21:58] wow [21:58] which channel? :D [21:58] this one [21:58] ok [21:58] :D \o/ yay my first pangolin meeting :D [21:58] i missed the first one [21:59] okay [21:59] let's try to be quick [21:59] :P [21:59] #startmeeting [21:59] Meeting started Sun Nov 13 21:59:17 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [21:59] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [21:59] #topic Ongoing Business [21:59] #subtitle Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS [22:00] #info Will be carried to next meeting [22:00] :) ok [22:00] #subtitle Maintaining official/recognized derivative/flavor status [22:00] #info Will be carried to next meeting [22:01] #subtitle "maybe-ubiquity" option for LTS [22:01] #info Will be carried to next meeting [22:01] #subtitle Website stuff [22:01] okay GridCube, the top 10 FAQ [22:01] any news? [22:01] i just need to have some input on question 10 [22:01] okay [22:02] what is q10? [22:02] i've been forwarding people to it several times [22:02] oh [22:02] could you copy the stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10 [22:02] GridCube, ^ [22:02] "whereto get more help" [22:02] so we can get through it with pleia2 and others in the website sprint [22:02] sure knome [22:02] AskUbuntu is one place [22:02] we can handle the "more help" part then too [22:03] i've been using it to tell people when i see a toptened question been asked,no problems so far [22:03] yeah [22:03] the support methods are listed in the current website too afaik [22:04] at http://xubuntu.org/help [22:04] :) yes, we could link that [22:04] well, we need to rewrite [22:04] but that's where we can copy most of the stuff [22:04] #info Grid''''''Cube will copy the Top 10 questions to wiki, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10 [22:04] no problem, for the top10, also [22:04] translations [22:04] i know olbi asked [22:05] my idea the whole time was it to be simple so its easilytranslatable [22:05] #info The Top 10 questions will be finalized in the website sprint [22:05] translations for the whole website will come in later [22:05] :) thats good then [22:05] we can do some language versions of the top10 faq before that though [22:06] i can do a spañish one easily [22:06] yeah [22:06] im sure olbi willwant to do one to if asked [22:06] #info Call for Top 10 translations will be sent to mailing lists after the website sprint [22:07] :) [22:07] .. [22:07] #info We will have a website sprint in next weekend, exact date and time will be verified early next week [22:07] anything else on the website? [22:08] okay, let's continue [22:08] #subtitle Ristretto as default in Xubuntu 12.04 [22:09] #info No reported bugs are present in the latest version of Ristretto [22:09] i can confirm that [22:09] #info There is no blockers to include Ristretto by default in 12.04. [22:09] #agreed Ristretto is a viable and likely choice as a default image viewer in 12.04 [22:10] #subtitle Meeting times [22:10] +1 on ristretto btw [22:10] #action knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week [22:10] ACTION: knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week [22:10] #title Team updates [22:10] I can't do it on mondays :( [22:10] #subtitle Packaging, Development [22:11] GridCube, yeah, you'll be able to tell that to all of us :) [22:11] mr_pouit, micahg? [22:11] (please use #info...) [22:11] okay, nothing much this week either [22:12] anything? :P [22:12] yes :P [22:12] anything worth mentioning in the team updates? [22:12] :P [22:12] i think gmusicbrowser 1.1.8 is on its way [22:12] via debian [22:12] #info Merged new upstream release of xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin from debian testing [22:12] micah said he could take care of that soonish [22:13] mr_pouit, what about the kbdleds plugin? [22:13] o/ [22:13] that :P [22:13] mr_pouit, can we have that in the repository? [22:13] #info Uploaded to oneiric a SRU for exo to fix mailto: helpers [22:13] http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin/ [22:13] #info Uploaded to precise a fix for a crash in xfce4-power-manager, the SRU to oneiric will follow this week [22:13] I think that's all for the new things [22:14] okay [22:14] sounds good though :) [22:14] yeah, we can have kdleds plugin if you want [22:14] I'd rather push it through pkg-xfce in debian though [22:14] right [22:14] should you be added as the assignee? [22:14] that will be helpful for people that doesnt have a leded keyboard [22:15] knome: yeah, feel free to assign that to me [22:15] okay, thanks [22:15] #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing [22:15] anything on this? [22:16] okay... [22:16] not from me, havent started tests yet [22:16] :P [22:16] #subtopic Website, Documentation [22:16] * micahg_ waves [22:16] #info Website sprint to follow next week [22:16] hey micahg_ :) [22:17] #subtopic Marketing, Artwork [22:17] ochosi, any updates? [22:17] hm, i've been working towards fixing gtk3 bugs in greybird, no luck so far [22:17] okay [22:18] so i suppose there is nothing... [22:18] seems like the unico-engine doesn't allow theming the resize-grip (yet) and cimi is never available [22:18] :( [22:18] yeah, mostly plans ;) [22:18] #info Mostly planning... And trying to get GTK3 stuff to work [22:18] #topic Announcements [22:18] well, someone (knome, ochosi) to help me develop the visual style for the greeter theme [22:18] true [22:18] we wanted to do that [22:18] madnick, yeah, just ping us next week [22:18] okay [22:19] or at least feel free to ping me [22:19] #subtopic Xubuntu brainstorming week [22:19] YAYYY [22:19] #info We've started planning for precise pangolin [22:19] *epic music* [22:19] :D [22:19] #info The brainstorming week starts *now*, and ends on Monday, November 21 [22:20] :D i've been brainstorming already [22:20] #info See the mail sent to Xubuntu-devel ML; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008040.html [22:20] #info The wikipage for the roadmap for PP has all the information you need; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap [22:20] tell your friends too! [22:21] #subtopic Contributor check [22:21] #info We want to know how many of the Xubuntu contributors are actually active [22:22] #info If you think your status on any of our Launchpad teams is wrong... Please fix it by leaving, or applying for membership [22:22] btw [22:22] #info The mail to the Xubuntu-devel ML has some more details; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008039.html [22:22] ochosi, yes? [22:22] not sure whether that's web-stuff or team-stuff, but i'd consider it nice if we had a list of contributors/team members somewhere on the website [22:22] something like "who the f*** is xubuntu?" [22:23] yes [22:23] i'd like to have the Launcpad teams current [22:23] so we can link there [22:23] and people would have access to things they need [22:23] yeah maybe, we could also do something nicer than just link there [22:23] but not sure it's needed [22:23] o/ [22:23] yes, that too. but if you are in the LP group for eg. the website team, you can access and update the website code [22:24] hey astraljava :) anything on your heart? [22:24] Pointers to devel team application? [22:24] astraljava, do you mean general ubuntu, or xubuntu [22:24] knome: Xubuntu [22:25] xubuntu dev just gets you commit access to the braches for the few things we maintain, doesn't help much [22:25] astraljava, you will get approved if you have contributed to xubuntu. we don't have a specific procedure, because being a member of the xubuntu team doesn't allow you any [22:25] not that I want to discourage more help though :) [22:25] *buntu* access rights [22:25] yeah. [22:25] Ok, good enough, thanks! [22:25] xubuntu team members are not automatically ubuntu members, or anything [22:25] well, no xubuntu-dev should be more limited [22:26] it does give access to the seeds [22:26] reminds me of the council we should install... [22:26] yeah... [22:26] micahg_, right. though that's still not standard ubuntu procedure, is ti? [22:26] and the XSD that needs revision [22:26] *it [22:26] ochosi, yes. i will get to that when we have more time, and a better meeting time... [22:27] sure :) [22:27] knome: right, mr_pouit has the authority in this case I think (or at least used to) [22:27] micahg_, ? [22:28] micahg_, okay, so it doesn't need to follow the standard ubuntu procedure. not that there is much rush for the -dev team anyway right now. :) [22:28] #topic Other Business [22:28] right, no, but we need to be sure that the person understands the various packages and seeds before granting membership to the dev team (merges welcome in the mean time) [22:29] #subtopic Specification for a default Torrent client [22:29] micahg_, yeah, i agree. that's why we need to council too... [22:29] what features does a default torrent client for xubuntu need? [22:29] simple ui [22:29] extensive managing capabilities for multiple torrents? [22:30] so we're considering dropping transmission? [22:30] ochosi, GridCube is assignee for doing a comparison for those, so we should think which qualities we need [22:30] ah ok [22:31] personally i'm happy with transmission, as it's simple and gets the job done for most of the users who need torrents [22:31] yeah, personally a simple/easy-to-use interface, a low memory footprint and multiple torrents are all i need [22:31] anybody else wants to add something? [22:31] well i use lots of torrents for... personal reasons, and transmission is not cool for that [22:31] DHT, UPnP? [22:31] e.g. no need to be able to search torrents via that app [22:31] Unit193, i don't know what are those. [22:32] GridCube: what's not working for you in transmission? [22:32] Unit193, for what are those necessary? [22:32] if we ever get QT in Xubuntu, I'd vote for QBittorrent :) [22:32] you can not set it to download just one torrent a time, for example, or priority for that matter [22:32] is that necessary for the normal user? [22:32] knome: UPnP helps it to route traffic to your computer [22:33] GridCube: sure you can set priority [22:33] And DHT helps you find more sources [22:33] i believe so, controling how much bandwith is used is a thing, but if you control the bandwith it will still try to download 10 torrents at a time [22:34] GridCube, unless you pause them, right? [22:34] but you can pause them [22:34] ... but then i will have to unpause them? [22:34] i can not left it and download? that makes no sense [22:34] what are the 10 legal torrents a user wants to download parallely? [22:34] GridCube: for priorities go to torrent properties > options > torrent priority. it's rather easy [22:35] amd64 and i386 versions of all supported Ubuntu and Xubuntu releases :P [22:35] micahg_, that's 8 [22:35] :P [22:35] and mint [22:35] Ubuntu Studio, duh. [22:35] and server :) [22:35] we don't support mint. [22:35] ;) [22:35] XD [22:36] well, yeah. [22:36] ok its not imperative, but transmission just seems empty, like, not helpful [22:36] GridCube: what would be a good alternative? [22:36] what's the normal usecase for a normal user with torrents? [22:37] deluge its my first option [22:37] does he really download all the ubuntu versions, i386 and amd64, mint, server, and studio? [22:37] not really [22:37] Ofc he does, while this channel is logged [22:37] micahg_, mmh, yeah. [22:37] ^^^ [22:37] thats pretty much it then [22:38] tbh, i don't want to change our default torrent client to something more "powerful" to be able to boost illegal downloads... ;) [22:38] agreed [22:38] will take that down :D [22:38] right, okay ... :] [22:38] There are serveral alternatives, but why use them as default [22:38] mmh [22:38] I have atleast 11 or so legal right now ;) [22:38] yeah, people are free to install anything they want [22:39] indeed [22:39] but the default should be sensible, and in xubuntu's case, pretty lightweight and easy-to-use [22:39] that's that for today. [22:39] :) [22:39] ok [22:39] let's keep the discussion going on in IRC and the mailing lists [22:39] #info We rock. [22:39] #endmeeting [22:39] Meeting ended Sun Nov 13 22:39:37 2011 UTC. [22:39] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-11-13-21.59.moin.txt [22:39] :) [22:39] i'll put up the minutes later today [22:39] Norther? [22:39] bbl [22:41] ok bye [22:41] micahg_: mr_pouit: whoever: Right, so yeah, in case you have some xubuntu-related dev work to do, I'd like to participate. I'm especially interested in whatever benefits Studio too, but I eat pretty much everything. [22:42] ochosi: gmusicbrowser will probably be later this week or early next week [22:42] to get in unstable [22:43] astraljava: ok, will keep in mind, are you familiar with packaging/seeds? [22:43]