[00:21] <pi-rho> good evening ... today when I upload a new source package to ppa.lauchpad.net, it's giving me back a "permission denied", claiming that my GPG signature is invalid
[00:22] <pi-rho> dput is validating my signature right before I upload
[00:22] <pi-rho> is launchpad OK?
[00:24] <pi-rho> http://paste.ubuntu.com/737820/
[00:24] <lifeless> it should be fine, that warning is cosmetic but scary
[00:26] <pi-rho> thanks, lifeless
[00:38] <cafuego> Ullo, I have a question about PPAs. I have one that contains 2 packages, one depends on the other. They're building in the wrong order, but does a PPA even include built versions of itself in its build process?
[00:40] <cafuego> If it doesn't, can I just add it to itself as a depend? ANd how do i change the build order of the packages in that case?
[00:41] <Kiall> cafuego: it does include them (the other packages in the same PPA)
[00:42] <StevenK> But only if it's build and published
[00:42] <StevenK> *built
[00:42] <cafuego> Kiall: Cool. So all i need is to change the build order
[00:42] <StevenK> If it requires it, then Depend on it
[00:42] <Kiall> cafuego: just make sure package A Build-Depends on package B and launchpad will figure out the rest
[00:42] <Kiall> if it builds the wrong one first, it will put it into "dependancy wait"..
[00:42] <cafuego> Kiall: it already does, afaik.
[00:44] <cafuego> it may have used the wrong version though
[00:45] <Kiall> Then you need to specify the version along with the dependency
[00:45] <cafuego> yeah I just relaised I hadn't changed that back
[00:45] <cafuego> Hmmno, that's definitely set
[00:46] <cafuego> I shall wait and see what it does in the current build run
[00:46] <Kiall> lifeless: BTW, any idea why the PPA build queues have been so long recently? (Curiosity, not complaining)
[00:47] <cafuego> Kiall: dput errors.
[00:47] <cafuego> Kiall: I have a bunch of builds pending coz dput kept whining at me even though the upload actually worked fine.
[00:47] <lifeless> Kiall: we've been short builders, I'm not sure of the details why.
[00:47] <cafuego> Kiall: I bet I'm not the only one re-uploading and triggerring another build that way.
[00:48] <Kiall> cafuego: true, I'm sure thats adding to it alright.
[00:48] <cafuego> Kiall: Only 400% in my case ;-)
[00:48] <Kiall> lifeless: fair enough, as good a reason as any :)
[00:49] <StevenK> There's only 700 builds in the queue.
[00:51] <Kiall> Its times like this I wish you could upload pre-build deb's ;)
[00:52] <Kiall> (actually - a week or so ago, the queue was 30 something hours.. its times like that.. ;))
[00:52] <lifeless> thanks, but I like knowing who has root on my machine :)
[00:52] <Kiall> lifeless: pre-build deb's would allow people to gain root? As in, in more ways than when LP builds them?
[00:53] <Kiall> pre-built*
[00:53] <StevenK> So the pre-built deb does not have to match what the source builds ...
[00:54] <StevenK> And so can contain malicious code ...
[00:55] <StevenK> If we allowed mixed uploads, the checksums and the filename need to match and then it get accepted.
[00:56] <Kiall> StevenK: ah, i get ya
[00:57] <lifeless> if an LP built deb gets root, you have an audit trail. :)
[00:57] <lifeless> thus 'knowing who' rather than 'controlling who'!
[00:58] <Kiall> ;)
[00:59] <StevenK> The buildds (effectively) have root on end-users machines, so I'd prefer they were trusted and heavily locked-down machines
[00:59] <Kiall> Maybe you should all .deb's do a quick echo "LP ssh key" > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys during postinst, There would be no shortage of builders then ;)
[00:59] <Kiall> should have *
[01:01] <lifeless> Kiall: couldn't trust them
[01:02] <Kiall> lol, true ;)
[01:02] <lifeless> Kiall: the owner could have a hacked gcc that installs a virus in the libc startup code for every binary
[01:07] <cafuego> One more question if I may? :-)
[01:08] <cafuego> I have a PPA that does daily builds via a recipe.
[01:08] <cafuego> It builds fine for Natty and Oneiric, but the Lucid version needs some backported libs.
[01:08] <StevenK> So have those libs published in your PPA
[01:09] <cafuego> If I pop my backported libs in the PPA, will it build them, as the recipe doesn't reference them.
[01:09] <cafuego> Hmm, I suppose they're in there now as chained build deps.
[09:02] <mvo> hello, I keep getting timeout errors for https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/precise/+link-translations-branch (e.g. ID: OOPS-c69666ebd5b885a91ff27ff24e46aaad) - is there any workaround for this so that I can get my translations exported? my target is lp:~mvo/ddtp-ubuntu/ddtp-precise
[09:05] <alkisg> Hi, I requested a build recipe from lp:~epoptes, (1) for ppa:ts.sch.gr/proposed, and then some seconds after that, (2) for ppa:epoptes/proposed. The problem is that from what I see, the first build request has completely disappeared!
[09:05] <alkisg> Should I file a bug? Or should I just request another build?
[09:06] <mvo> meh, xchat crashed
[09:16] <mrevell> Hi
[09:21] <poolie> hi mrevell
[09:46] <wgrant> mvo: That branch doesn't exist.
[09:47] <mvo> aha, thanks wgrant! I can fix that :) I wonder if it could give a more helpful error mesage maybe?
[09:48] <wgrant> mvo: It does give a more helpful error message. Except that it tries to fall back to doing a search, which times out here... not sure why.
[09:49] <mvo> wgrant: aha, that explains it, thanks! and it works now, thanks a lot ,that unblocked me :)
[09:52] <wgrant> mvo: Great.
[10:02] <cafuego> is there a way for me to ask lp to build a package whose build I cancelled?
[10:06] <wgrant> cafuego: A recipe build?
[10:07] <cafuego> wgrant: No, a dput one.
[10:07] <cafuego> wgrant: I added 2 library depends to my ppa; the second started building but depends on the first, so i cancelled it as it would fail anyway.
[10:07] <cafuego> wgrant: .. hoping to kick it off once the first lib was done.
[10:07] <wgrant> Oh, didn't realise the cancellation feature was turned on for the whole world yet. No, you can't uncancel a build.
[10:08] <cafuego> wgrant: do i need to push a newer version of the pkg to trigger a build again?
[10:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[10:08] <cafuego> bugger
[10:09] <wgrant> Indeed.
[10:09] <cafuego> :-)
[10:15] <cafuego> wgrant: Okay, now we wait. Thanks :-)
[11:44] <mcclurmc> hi all
[11:44] <mcclurmc> is there a way to create a PPA such that it looks for build dependencies in another PPA?
[11:47] <geser> yes, you can specify dependencies between PPAs
[11:48] <mcclurmc> geser: is this an obvious config setting that I'm missing?
[11:49] <mcclurmc> geser: nevermind. it is obvious ;)
[14:41] <jamespage> hello - please could someone take a look as to why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=java7-ftbfs pretty much always times out on me
[14:41] <jamespage> thanks
[15:11] <CarlFK> Bug #197492
[15:12] <CarlFK> "Reported by       Carl Karsten       on 2008-03-01       This bug affects 1 person. Does this bug affect you? "
[15:12] <mvo> CarlFK: hi, this is probably something more for #ubuntu-devel, would you be interessted in helping with a fix?
[15:12] <CarlFK> mvo: im pointing out that I reported it, and lp is asking if it affects me
[15:15] <mvo> aha, ok, I misunderstood then
[15:18] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~carlfk  what's the quickest way for me to see the most recent bugs?
[15:19] <CarlFK> most of the time I go to that page it is to go back to the last bug or 2 that I reported, like to add some info to it
[15:19] <CarlFK> where can add a lp feature request?
[15:24] <rvba> CarlFK: Maybe you are thinking about the "Reported bugs" link in the menu on the right…?
[15:26] <CarlFK> rvba: nope - looks like they are sorted by Importance, bug# accending (so oldest first)
[15:27] <CarlFK> I am surprised that I can't click on the column headers to sort on them
[15:28] <rvba> CarlFK: This very feature is in progress as we speak ;) … for now you'll have to use the advanced search form I'm afraid.
[15:29] <CarlFK> sweet.  I'll stop fussing and get back to working on the bug
[15:37] <czajkowski> mrevell: nice summing up of UDS
[15:37] <mrevell> czajkowski, Thanks. It's a bit of a ramble...
[15:39] <czajkowski> mrevell: it's the only way to keep a trakc of things and the reason I daily blog while at UDS so I can go back and see what I did
[15:39] <mrevell> czajkowski, Yeah, taking notes each day is really important I reckon.
[15:40] <czajkowski> I used to use tomboy now more or less I can get the jost of stuff if I've forgotten if someone has been a good note taker on the etherpad
[16:32] <czajkowski> sinzui: you're on a roll with these mails
[16:33] <sinzui> czajkowski, I am ill, I fuelled by sugar, caffeine and fever.
[16:35] <czajkowski> sinzui: so you're being productive post UDs with ubuflu
[16:35] <sinzui> I am try to be productive. I really hope some code lands the change Lp because I what I am writing.
[16:37] <czajkowski> sinzui: you poked nigelb
[16:37] <nigelb> who? what? where?
[16:38] <sinzui> I have in the past, but I think he needs to choose his part in my victory rather I choose his part in his downfall
[16:38] <czajkowski> lol
[16:38] <sinzui> Lp will burn out a developer quickly if that pace is bad
[16:39] <nigelb> I take frequent breaks from LP for sanity.
[16:39] <rick_h_> hah, well this is a great convo to start my first day with :)
[16:40] <nigelb> rick_h_: Heh
[16:41] <czajkowski> rick_h_: ello
[16:41] <rick_h_> howdy czajkowski
[16:44] <czajkowski> mrevell: how is dan getting on
[17:00] <mrevell> czajkowski, He's settling in really well, cheers.
[17:03] <czajkowski> yay
[19:21] <tumbleweed> is there any way to reliably follow uploads with getPublishedSources? It has a created_since_date parameter, but it looks to me like it'll pick up some uploads during iteration though its result set
[19:21] <tumbleweed> the result set appears to be alphabetical, so it's probably not picking up everything that was uploaded during iteration, right?
[19:38] <serfus> does it take time for a mail to show up in the mailing list archive after being posted?
[19:42] <sinzui> serfus, There is a backlog of list mail. Mail is going to users withing 30 minutes, but I think the archive delay is hours or days behind
[19:43] <serfus> oh i see. thanks sinzui
[19:45] <sinzui> serfus, I think the http://www.mail-archive.com/ archive of public Lp lists is current with user receipts of email. You can search for "launchpad" and your team name to find the list
[19:46] <serfus> oh nice
[19:47] <serfus> it does hold some mails which are not in the LP archive yet
[20:04] <rubin110> Hi, I created a new user with some symbols in my password, and can't login with it.
[20:05] <rubin110> Symbols include - > " _
[20:05] <rubin110> I requested a password reset about 10 minutes ago, but haven't gotten an email back about it yet.
[23:40] <KombuchaKip> Co-founder of social network site Diaspora, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, dies at 22: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/co-founder-of-social-network-site-diaspora-ilya-zhitomirskiy-dies-at-22/2011/11/14/gIQA7m3LLN_story.html