[01:56] <psychx-> If I have Ubuntu installed, do I have to install lubuntu separately?
[01:58] <Unit193> You don't have to reinstall, but it's generally better
[01:58] <Unit193> !purelxde
[02:00] <psychx-> Ok, thanks. Also, can I install it separately and have Ubuntu and Lubuntu as a dual-boot option? (I'm guessing you can, but doesn't hurt to ask.)
[02:00] <Unit193> As long as you have the diskspace
[02:01] <psychx-> Ok, thanks! I think I'm going to give it a try. Gotta DL it and burn it on a separate laptop.
[02:01] <Unit193> Just remember where you put grub so you don't whack the wrong one if you want to switch full time
[02:01] <Unit193> Link in topic, torrents are preferred
[02:01] <psychx-> Hmm, ok. I'll have to read about that. I just installed Ubuntu, and have used CentOS before, but am not familiar with the whole GUI setup.
[02:34] <hrundel50> Set systray icons size? BEcause they all seem to be of different sizes now.
[07:10] <Guest36209> wassupwassup
[07:11] <Guest36209> anyone else have the wandering toolbar icons after a suspend?
[07:11]  * skiwithpete that's better
[07:12] <skiwithpete> hmmm....
[07:12] <iceroot> skiwithpete: yes
[07:12] <skiwithpete> is there a known fix?
[07:12] <iceroot> skiwithpete: on my todo-list i have "open a bug for it"
[07:12] <skiwithpete> oh, are you a dev?
[07:13] <iceroot> skiwithpete: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/lxde-indicator-spaces.png  this you mean?
[07:13] <skiwithpete> exactly what I mean, though my toolbar grey...
[07:14] <skiwithpete> ;)
[07:14] <iceroot> skiwithpete: yes, i will open a bug about it and post the bug-url to you so you can subscribe to that bug
[07:14] <skiwithpete> cool, I might have seen it listed as a bug before, though I can't find the page.
[07:15] <skiwithpete> Google seems to think Lubuntu is just me misspelling Ubuntu
[07:15] <iceroot> skiwithpete: if so please post it to me, i have not found something about it
[07:15] <skiwithpete> like I say, I can't find it
[07:15] <skiwithpete> Actionparsnip had commented on the bug, but I can't find him either
[07:16] <skiwithpete> so, next question: is it LXDE or Lubuntu at the heart of this problem?
[07:17] <iceroot> skiwithpete: i dont know i guess its an upstream bug
[07:17] <iceroot> skiwithpete: so at the first i will create a lubuntu bug and the maintainers should have a look if it is upstream
[07:18] <skiwithpete> cool, send us a link to the page when you've done it
[07:20] <iceroot> skiwithpete: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/890102
[07:21] <iceroot> skiwithpete: please subscribe by "this affects me too"
[07:22] <skiwithpete> i don't see the "this affects me too" button
[07:24] <skiwithpete> nm, just had to sign in
[07:24] <iceroot> skiwithpete: Does this bug affect you? Edit
[07:24] <skiwithpete> yep, done it
[07:24] <iceroot> skiwithpete: in green text at the top of that page
[07:25] <skiwithpete> ;)
[07:26] <iceroot> skiwithpete: thx
[07:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> loks like my http://postimage.org/image/rkk1e3ew5/ but only with caffeine
[07:27] <bioterror> basic
[07:27] <bioterror> those icons moves mystically :D
[07:27] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: yes, seems to be a common problem. also on 11.04
[07:27] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: bioterror can you also subscribe on that bug? :)
[07:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use 10.04
[07:27] <bioterror> iceroot, sure I can
[07:28] <bioterror> hmm
[07:28] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: lubuntu-desktop on 10.04?
[07:28] <bioterror> did lubuntu use xfce power manager during 11.04?
[07:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[07:28] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: ok i will add 10.04 and 10.10 also to the affected one4s
[07:28] <skiwithpete> Another thing that happens, suspend kills Gnome-do - anyone else using that?
[07:30] <skiwithpete> JohnDoe_71Rus, you're CPU usage is knocking on 100% flat out
[07:30] <skiwithpete> in that imahe
[07:30] <skiwithpete> imae
[07:30] <skiwithpete> image...
[07:30] <skiwithpete> soz
[07:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> skiwithpete: yes. Often loading cpu 100 %
[07:31] <skiwithpete> old comp or are you just a RUN IT CRAZY kinda guy?
[07:32] <JohnDoe_71Rus> low memory. often swap
[07:32] <skiwithpete> how low?
[07:32] <JohnDoe_71Rus> P4 2.8 512Mb
[07:33] <skiwithpete> I'm thinking RasberryPi which only has 256
[07:33] <skiwithpete> k good to know
[07:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> my girlfriend use browser flash game
[07:34] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: your screenshot is from 10.04?
[07:34] <skiwithpete> I didn't know Linux users could have girlfriends  ;)
[07:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes. ubuntu 10.04 + lxde + lubuntu-desktop
[07:35] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: i have posted your screenshot also to that bug
[07:36] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I want to refuse from gdm. There is a problem with automount usb disks
[07:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> iceroot: ok. then i change panel color, the space is like icons, but not responce to mouse btn click
[07:38] <bioterror> JohnDoe_71Rus, what does gdm have to do with automounting drives?
[07:38] <skiwithpete> iceroot, did you confirm it?
[07:38] <iceroot> skiwithpete: launchpad is doing that if there are more then 1 person affected by it
[07:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: then i change gdm to lxdm and login usb disks not automount.
[07:39] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[07:40] <bioterror> Mon09:28 <bioterror> did lubuntu use xfce power manager during 11.04?
[07:40] <bioterror> ;)
[07:40] <bioterror> that's not just problem on ubuntu
[07:41] <skiwithpete> "Under 'System tray icon' select 'Never show icon' and click Close."
[07:41] <skiwithpete> In 11.10, there is no such option. Is there a workaround?
[07:41] <skiwithpete> that's a quote
[07:41] <skiwithpete> so... we still needed the bug report
[07:43] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: i think some strange with policykit
[07:44] <skiwithpete> real world beckons... catch you dudes later
[07:44] <skiwithpete> peace out
[07:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ubot5: i use gnome-power-manager
[07:48] <iceroot> JohnDoe_71Rus: if so, please post it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[07:48] <bioterror> JohnDoe_71Rus, now you got it
[07:48] <bioterror> policykit has nothing to do with the DM
[07:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> я не так хорошо знаю систему. просто заменил gdm на lxdm и получил проблему.
[07:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ups
[07:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I not so well know system. Has simply replaced gdm on lxdm and has received a problem.
[07:54] <bioterror> probably the lxdm when it runs the script to start lubuntu fails to call policitykit properly or something like that
[07:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> error of policykit in .xsessionerrors. in bouth sessions gdm and lxdm
[07:58] <bioterror> :D
[11:20] <JohnDoe_71Rus> just run livecd 11.10 http://pastebin.com/ryfXNuP8 .xsession-errors :)
[13:00] <sowhat> hello! is it possible to install Lubuntu from Linux Mint keeping both systems?
[13:00] <holstein> you can dual boot easily
[13:00] <holstein> i mean.... its linux, so anything is possible
[13:00] <sowhat> okay, but how about installing OS from another OS ?>
[13:01] <holstein> the mint system will have mint repos, so changing mint to lubuntu would be more of a hassle than its worth
[13:01] <holstein> you can just install lxde over there in mint and get something lubuntu like
[13:02] <holstein> sowhat: you can make a bootable USB, or a CD from a downloaded iso
[13:02] <holstein> there are ways to make a partition bootable as well and install from that, but i have never needed to do it
[13:02] <sowhat> my laptop doesnt boot from USB and I dont have any free CD right now
[13:04] <sowhat> reason why I want to try Lubuntu is that Mint is too slow
[13:04] <holstein> like i said, you can try LXDE from mint... that will get you the DE that lubuntu is using... which is LXDE
[13:05] <sowhat> hmm
[13:05] <holstein> there are lots of options, from netbooting, to moving that hard drive to another machine for the install
[13:05] <bioterror> sowhat, what's so great in mint?
[13:06] <sowhat> I don't know yet, because this is first Linux I have tried :)
[13:06] <bioterror> linux mint = different theme, some a backup software and restricted-extras installed ;)
[13:07] <holstein> if by saying 'i dont have any free CD right now' you mean, you just dont have any CDR's, thats going to be the easiest and most hassle free... just getting a blank CD
[13:07] <sowhat> is it easy to try LXDE ?
[13:07] <sowhat> on mint
[13:08] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[13:08] <holstein> i dont have mint, so i cant say from first hand experience
[13:09] <bioterror> installing just lxde is not same thing as installing lubuntu-desktop
[13:09] <bioterror> but technically if mint is using ubuntu repositories, why not just install lubuntu-desktop :D
[13:09] <bioterror> and remove rest
[13:10] <bioterror> that also free's you from the mint repository :---)
[13:10] <bioterror> mint is great, but I'm not a huge fan of it
[13:10] <holstein> you can try that too... i have had better luck when adding lxde to systems where i want to have different DE's working together
[13:11] <holstein> but, lubuntu-desktop should be there, and it should work find
[13:11] <holstein> fine*
[13:12] <sowhat> so you say that I don't have to install one more OS to try how fast it is, I just need to install lubuntu desktop?
[13:12] <holstein> sowhat: ?
[13:13] <holstein> LXDE is likely the boost in speed you are looking for.. and theres only one way to find out
[13:14] <holstein> sowhat: technically, you are saying you *cant* install the OS to try out how fast it is... or you can easily do that, so this is a viable alternative
[13:14] <holstein> lubuntu also runs great as a live CD
[13:14] <sowhat> okay, then I will just buy one CD :)
[13:15] <bioterror> buy many CD's
[13:15] <bioterror> atleast 10
[13:15] <bioterror> or even more
[13:15] <bioterror> you need them :D
[13:15] <holstein> if you are going to make one CD, make http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html and get a USB stick
[13:16] <holstein> plop will let you boot USB on 'legacy' hardware
[13:16] <holstein> bioterror might have suggested that to me ages ago?
[13:16] <bioterror> I dunno :D
[13:16] <holstein> :)
[13:23] <sowhat> sorry for the stupid question, but how do you run .com files on linux?
[13:23] <sowhat> I am trying to install plop
[13:23] <bioterror> ./file
[13:23] <bioterror> sh file
[13:24] <bioterror> in terminal ^^
[13:24] <holstein> im not using plop as a boot loader though
[13:24] <holstein> i just made the iso to use it live
[14:52] <reflexrg> is there a keyboard command to lock screen not suspending(hibernating)? so I don't have to keep the screensaver preferences open. Because I like to keep my screen locked when I leave the room and I use bittorrent and I don't want my downloads to be interrupted each time I have to lock it with suspend.
[14:53] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[14:54] <reflexrg> thx
[14:55] <bioterror> FAQ is full of useful things
[14:55] <reflexrg> I think there might be a bug with pcman going to test something out to make sure if it does what it does then I'll report it. will do that sometime later.
[14:56] <reflexrg> thanks for the link
[14:56] <bioterror> what kind of bug?
[14:56] <reflexrg> bookmark
[14:56] <bioterror> hmm
[14:56] <reflexrg> no not bookmark bug
[14:57] <reflexrg> I meant the link I bookmarked
[14:58] <reflexrg> it is file integrity and moving files around and accidentally putting it somewhere perhaps it isn't a bug maybe it is just how it works and you just have to be careful when moving files
[14:58] <bioterror> I've heard about that once before
[14:59] <reflexrg> I really do love PCman file manager though very light weight and fast
[15:00] <reflexrg> that's the only issue I have with it but again I need to make sure it is really pcman and not that the file was already messed up
[15:00] <reflexrg> I'll burn a cd then do a checksum of the encoded files then do what I did to mess up the files then checksum them to make sure it was that
[15:01] <reflexrg> then if it was then I'll write my report
[15:12] <reflexrg> well I am kind of paranoid about this now cause I am an audiophile and I do photos so file intergroup is very important to me thinks for now I'll do md5 sum files so anytime I htink its messed up I can check the md5 to see if it really is :)
[15:12] <M0hi> j #lubuntu-offtopic
[15:12] <M0hi> errr
[15:13] <reflexrg> integrity*
[15:15] <bioterror> M0hi, everytime you fail a kitten dies!
[15:17] <M0hi> :0
[15:18] <reflexrg> would I put "ctrl-alt-l" if I want it to be control alt l?
[15:18] <bioterror> c-a-l
[15:19] <bioterror> or what was it
[15:19] <bioterror> but windows+l is great!
[15:19] <bioterror> bbl, installing 11.10
[15:19] <reflexrg> I am use to how linux distros usually have the lock with that command
[15:19] <reflexrg> 11.10 is great!
[15:19] <reflexrg> well I use windows too
[15:20] <reflexrg> but when I am at my linux box I think to use that command lol..
[15:22] <brother-> I use XF86HomePage =)
[15:22] <brother-> single key ftw
[16:05] <maraz> The behavior of the windows key seems to have changed between 11.04 and 11.10. Shortcuts like win-alt-something no longer work if you don't press all the buttons at the same time - the win key opens the lxpanel menu with a 200-300ms delay on keydown as opposed to opening it on keyup like in 11.04
[16:06] <maraz> is there a way to configure this?
[16:07] <reflexrg> yes I noticed this when I have been using lubuntu
[16:08] <reflexrg> but I haven't used 11.04 though
[16:08] <reflexrg> I installed from 11.10
[16:08] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:08] <reflexrg> this was awhile ago this happened it was my first time installing ubuntu with encrypted home partition. do I really need the "                                          ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase       " passphrase after install? I copied it then exited terminal and was gonna paste in leafpad then print it out and put in safe but it didn't let me copy and paste over and I don't know how to reset it or to give the output back out again I s
[16:09] <bioterror> some one messed this thing
[16:10] <reflexrg> bioterror do you know? ^^
[16:10] <reflexrg> I'll search for this online
[16:10] <bioterror> yeah
[16:10] <bioterror> I'm looking right now lubuntu-rc.xml
[16:10] <reflexrg> no not the keyboard thing about my passphrase problem
[16:11] <reflexrg> you can do one at a time no big deal
[16:11] <reflexrg> I'll be awaiting
[16:11] <bioterror> I dont take part in encrypted homes
[16:11] <bioterror> I hate them
[16:11] <reflexrg> why?
[16:11] <reflexrg> well I use it because I have a laptop
[16:11] <bioterror> I have many laptops
[16:11] <bioterror> 3 working atm. ;)
[16:11] <reflexrg> other than that I don't use encryption on my external drives
[16:12] <brother-> if you don't encrypt the other parts of the drive there are no real gain in doing encryption of the home dir either
[16:12] <reflexrg> well I think I'll put encryption on my portable drive maybe cause I might take that out sometimes when I use my laptop
[16:12] <brother-> you will spill files to /tmp and what not during runtime
[16:13] <reflexrg> well I am speaking off people stealing your files if you loose or someone steals your laptop
[16:13] <reflexrg> not from intrusion from the internet or network
[16:13] <brother-> yes. if you have things in /tmp or /var because you used sleep mode you have breached the security anyway
[16:14] <reflexrg> true but I don't use sleep mode I use lock mode but again there is ways around the lock mode there have been bugs with it in the past like hooking up a second monitor
[16:15] <brother-> having encryption without thinking is the major problem
[16:15] <maraz> any idea about the windows key? :)
[16:15] <bioterror> maraz, some ;)
[16:15] <brother-> nope. I don't use the hotkeys like that so I haven't noticed anything unusual
[16:15] <maraz> i looked through lubuntu-rc.xml but there wasn't anything related
[16:17] <reflexrg>  / root on its own partition 10 gb and /home on its own partition at 28gb
[16:17] <reflexrg> I don't think lubuntu encrypted the root
[16:17] <reflexrg> I didn't see an option for it
[16:19] <reflexrg> well when 12.04 is released I'll be doing another fresh install and I'll see about how I can encrypt the / root partition
[16:22] <reflexrg> I am not overly concerned about intrusion its the theft of files from physically being at the computer. Because Linux is quite secure and I make sure everything is up to date. Also setup my browsers so they are more secure with whitelists and blacklists with what sites can use what plugins/addons...etc... :)
[16:25] <reflexrg> well what I'd really love to do is have another partition for guest that automatically logs in after a set time at the login window so they theft guy thinks he got the right password or something then the guest account will be setup to send out the person's ip to me but that's if the person is dumb enough to have it hooked up to the internet on his first tries on cracking the pc
[16:38] <philipballew_> How would I make a custom live cd to have only my apps I want?
[16:39] <gastly> philipballew_, here's a very nice guide that tells you how to do it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[16:40] <philipballew_> fun stuff!!!
[16:40] <gastly> :)
[16:44] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:45] <bioterror> .config/openbox/autostart doesn work, config/openbox/autostart.sh doesnt work nor does .config/autostart/foo.desktop
[16:49] <bioterror> I would like to ask what is this :D
[16:49] <bioterror> ahhh
[16:50] <bioterror> I forgot [desktop entry]
[16:51] <Unit193> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart works :P
[16:52] <gastly> lxsession-edit should have an option to add new startup items, making them manually is painful :p
[16:55] <bioterror> Unit193, :D
[16:57] <lrojas> hi all, just wondering how can i install firefox on lubuntu? is it safe to sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next ?
[16:58] <xsaidx> lrojas: if its trusted/stable repo then why not
[16:58] <xsaidx> but i wud go with trusted only tho
[16:59] <lrojas> that's what i'm asking.. is that trusted? ppa:/mozillateam/  looks trusted... :/
[16:59] <gastly> I think firefox-next is for beta versions, so if you want to test beta versions then go for it :>
[16:59] <lrojas> ok, here is the thing.. maybe i'm asking the wrong question...
[16:59] <gastly> and yes, it can be trusted it's an official team afaik
[17:00] <lrojas> i tried sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable  but it says that is for lucid and maverick users...
[17:00] <lrojas> also, i tried to find wich firefox to install from the standard ubuntu repositories but i'm not sure what to do...
[17:00] <xsaidx> lrojas: wellim not sure but the normal thing is to add a repo that match ur version
[17:01] <xsaidx> lrojas: chrome/chromuim its fast tho
[17:01] <lrojas> so, my question is.. if i want to install firefox, what would be the safest way...
[17:01] <lrojas> i kind of like firefox, i do web development and the plugins for firefox are good
[17:01] <xsaidx> add their repo if u wanna stay updated or dl the .deb
[17:02] <xsaidx> lrojas: if you mean firegub i guess chrouim has such tool by defult
[17:02] <lrojas> xsaidx: fair enough...
[17:02] <lrojas> why is not firefox in the standard repositories for Lubuntu ?
[17:02] <xsaidx> lrojas: just click rightthen inspect element
[17:03] <lrojas> xsaidx: i do more JS profiling than inspecting elements
[17:03] <gastly> lrojas, sudo apt-get install firefox doesn't work?
[17:03] <xsaidx> lrojas: theres a console and all things you need to work with js just give it a shot then judge :D
[17:04] <lrojas> xsaidx: ok... i will do that
[17:04] <xsaidx> :D
[17:06] <blueblue2> hey
[17:06] <blueblue2> howdy
[17:06] <blueblue2> anyone in here?
[17:06] <blueblue2> whoa
[17:07] <blueblue2> im trying to install lubuntu alongside xp i have 60 gig 20 is xp 40 is lubuntu
[17:07] <lrojas> gastly: do i need to install firefox-gnome-support, firefox-kde-support ?
[17:08] <blueblue2> im on live cd , so im thinking i need a swap file and ext 3 partition first
[17:08] <gastly> lrojas, I don't think so, but it won't hurt to install them they won't do any harm :)
[17:08] <blueblue2> i use gparted?
[17:08] <blueblue2> ive mosty ony expeience with grub and puppy linux
[17:09] <gastly> blueblue2, yes you'll have to use gparted to partition the drives, make a swap partition from the 40gig lubuntu drive and I suggest you also have a separate /home partition
[17:10] <blueblue2> so 3 partititons and a swap partition?
[17:10] <blueblue2> or 4 partitions?
[17:11] <gastly> for Lubuntu, 1 root partition + 1 swap partition + 1 home partition = 3 :)
[17:11] <gastly> if my math is correct that is :p
[17:11] <blueblue2> what about xp where will that be?
[17:12] <blueblue2> ok so 4 total including the ntfs part.
[17:12] <gastly> if you have xp already installed then no need to touch the XP partition
[17:12] <blueblue2> what is a swap partition for?
[17:13] <gastly> well, in case you RAM gets low, the kernel swaps some stuffs to the swap partition to free up memory
[17:13] <blueblue2> oh cool very good
[17:14] <xsaidx> blueblue2: dont make too big swap do what you have in your RAM e.g ram =1g so swap =1g
[17:14] <blueblue2> ok s i wil do hat now 1 gig swap and 20gb /home and 20 gb lubuntu all in ext 3 format?
[17:15] <xsaidx> blueblue2: ext4 its cool tho
[17:15] <gastly> blueblue2, depends on your RAM size as xsaidx swap should be equal to your RAM size
[17:15] <blueblue2> ok so i have 512 ram
[17:15] <gastly> blueblue2, also if you don't plan to install much stuff on the root partition then you can reduce it's size to about 15 GB or even less depending on your requirements :)
[17:16] <blueblue2> what is the purpose of the /home partition and root partition is the partition the os is on?
[17:16] <gastly> blueblue2, 512MB?, then I suggest you go with 1GB (my personal experience is 1GB works well with 512MB) :)
[17:17] <gastly> root (/) is the partition where you OS is installed and all your software packages that you install, /home is for your user files are stored
[17:18] <blueblue2> so when i open folder pictures for instance that is accessed from /home on the hdd?
[17:18] <gastly> blueblue2, yes
[17:19] <blueblue2> and do pictures and personal fies automatically got to the /home when i save tem or upoad them or do i have to specify?
[17:20] <blueblue2> same wit apps do they auto downoad and install to/root
[17:20] <xsaidx> blueblue2: yeh e.g pics from webcam goes into images folder automaticly dl's goes in downloads folder and so on
[17:20] <gastly> they will go there automatically, there will be a directory inside /home with your username and all your files will go there (automatically, because you're only allowed to access your own home folder, unless you're root)
[17:21] <blueblue2> so 1 gig is swap, 10 gigs /root and 30gb is /home
[17:21] <blueblue2> sounds good?
[17:21] <gastly> yup, pretty good
[17:23] <xsaidx> why 1g in swap ?? dont think that will make ur ram cooler cus the swap its too slow then your ram so no need to put all the 1g but you can put like 530 o sumthin lil but dont exagaret
[17:23] <blueblue2> so to slarify /rot is only 10gb is that going to be large enough for pidgin ,skype ,other apps i download?
[17:23] <blueblue2> clarify*
[17:24] <gastly> blueblue2, you can be on a safer side and go with 12GB for /, I have KDE and Lubuntu and lots of other apps install and my / is only 8.6GB full :>
[17:25] <blueblue2> ok very good gastly and xsaidx i apreciate you dudes
[17:26] <gastly> xsaidx, I had a 512MB swap for 512MB RAM and it really slowed things down when I used the system for heavy stuff, I've seen that 1GB works better with 512MB but I don't have any benchmarks to show
[17:26] <gastly> np blueblue2 :>
[17:27] <blueblue2> i wi open gparted and get started , also  is the sped that livecd runs a god indicator of how lubuntu will run installed?
[17:27] <gastly> yes, but most of the time the installed system will be much much faster ;)
[17:27] <blueblue2> srry my typing is por i have to lay on floor bc my back is real screwed up and makes typing hard
[17:28] <xsaidx> blueblue2:  np  , gastly tbh i have only 512 and thats what i do not more and never tried sumthin else but fom what iread what they have recomend me when i wanted to install lubuntu was what itold him : D
[17:29] <blueblue2> i ask bc the live cd runs realy poorly and slow
[17:29] <gastly> xsaidx, well I guess it depends on the usage :) Try compiling the Linux kernel with 512mb ram and swap it'll be hell xD
[17:29] <blueblue2> i have a acer laptop it was a gift and has amd 64 ,with 512 ram and 2ghz processor
[17:30] <blueblue2> is run the same as terminal?
[17:31] <xsaidx> gastly: will that affect peformance if compile the kernel cus i was told the benefit wud be very small so ididnt bother me i have an old todhiba with 1.4 gh pocessor and 512 ram
[17:32] <gastly> blueblue2, CD's are slow that's why it runs slow, on an hdd it would fly :)
[17:33] <gastly> xsaidx, it depends, you can have some non-official patches applied to the kernel like BFS Scheduler and do some optimization like disabling unneeded stuff then the kernel gets noticeably fast
[17:34] <xsaidx> gastly: well im not really that good to kno whcih module i need on my kernel  so yeh
[17:34] <gastly> I did some compiler optimizations for my CoreI7 and compiled the kernel and it flies :D
[17:35] <gastly> xsaidx, it's a guessing game, that's how I learned :D
[17:37] <blueblue2> in system info under cpu how do i find the speed of my processor?
[17:37] <blueblue2> is it same as fruancy?
[17:37] <blueblue2> frequency*
[17:38] <gastly> yup I think so
[17:38] <gastly> I'm not on Lubuntu right now so I can't tell but you can run 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' in a terminal and it will show you the speed
[17:39] <wxl> anyone know a memory monitor for lxpanel?
[17:39] <bioterror> no
[17:40] <bioterror> people tends to use conky for memory monitoring
[17:40] <wxl> ugh
[17:40] <wxl> but i don't LIKE conky :D
[17:40] <bioterror> I just configured mine, again
[17:40] <bioterror> they had changed hwmon0 to 1 :P
[17:41] <gastly> hehe
[17:41] <xsaidx> wxl: i belive theres a small thingy that you can add fom the panel prefeence when u click right
[17:41] <wxl> xsaidx: nope
[17:42] <xsaidx> wxl: you dont want that ?? or what ?
[17:43] <wxl> xsaidx: there is no memory monitor installed as an option .. so i don't know about this "thingy" or "that" which you refer to
[17:43] <xsaidx> wxl: hang on
[17:43] <gastly> I generally prefer to have a dock like AWN, it has a lot of applets and stuff like the memory monitor
[17:43] <wxl> xsaidx: there is a cpu monitor if that's what you mean, but i'm pretty sure cpu ≠ memory
[17:44] <xsaidx> wxl: yesh
[17:44] <xsaidx> well guys brb
[17:44] <bioterror> there's a cpu graph
[17:45] <bioterror> wxl, you should go with the conky ;)
[17:45] <wxl> bah conky's poop.
[17:45] <bioterror> wxl, which stinkpad did you get?
[17:45] <bioterror> I grabbed T42 ;)
[17:46] <wxl> oh hehehe r60 bioterror :D
[17:46] <bioterror> that's a new!
[17:46] <bioterror> mine is more legacy
[17:46] <bioterror> haha
[17:47] <bioterror> maraz, I removed few lines from lubuntu-rc ;)
[17:47] <maraz> do tell
[17:47] <bioterror> maraz, windows key stopped messing around
[17:47] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.10.png there you ;)
[17:48] <blueblue2> whoa my hdd is not showing up in gparted
[17:48] <blueblue2> ?
[17:48] <bioterror> the ones # are marked for deletion
[17:48] <chris_lubuntu> hi guys, i have the intel 852 video chip in my notebook, can somebody say me how to install correct drivers? i have problems running half-life in wine and it has to do with my video card
[17:48] <wxl> i think i used to have a t42 back in the slackware days bioterror
[17:48] <maraz> bioterror: won't removing those disable the menu functionality altogether?
[17:49] <bioterror> maraz, only the annoying popup for menu
[17:49] <maraz> hm
[17:49] <maraz> let me rephrase that: won't removing those disable the windows key menu functionality altogether?
[17:49] <bioterror> no
[17:49] <bioterror> read what the binding says
[17:49] <bioterror> when hitting super_l it will run command lxpanelctl menu
[17:50] <wxl> oh yey look i found a rainy day project: make your own plugin http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.vanderhoff/LXPanel_HowTo.html
[17:50] <wxl> s/plugin/applet
[17:50] <bioterror> :D
[17:50] <bioterror> in here we have winter coming, might take a while for the next good rainy day
[17:51] <wxl> here in the pacific northwest winter actually does mean rain. i realize that's not true everywhere :D
[17:51] <bioterror> wxl, phillw enjoys rain 24/7/365 ;)
[17:51] <wxl> hahahah
[17:51] <wxl> we're not too far away from the uk weather
[17:51] <bioterror> that's what you get for living in england ;)
[17:52] <wxl> oregon is gloriously green though.. so there's a benefit to it all
[17:52] <wxl> okok, now i'm offtopic and will shut up.
[17:52] <bioterror> :D
[17:52] <bioterror> maraz, after removing those two lines run command: openbox --restart
[17:53] <wxl> don't you mean --reconfigure?
[17:53] <bioterror> no
[17:53] <bioterror> I mean restart
[17:53] <wxl> hm seems unnecessary. reconfigure always worked fine for me
[17:54] <bioterror> we want openbox to re-read the configs
[17:54] <wxl> re config ure
[17:54] <wxl> :)
[17:54] <bioterror> extremely annoying
[17:54] <wxl> restart does it too, but at the cost of restarting everything else
[17:54] <bioterror> when pressing alt+f2 to get launcher, that will not come on top of all
[17:55] <bioterror> you're right
[17:55] <bioterror>   --reconfigure       Reload Openbox's configuration
[17:55] <bioterror>   --restart           Restart Openbox
[17:55] <wxl> chris_lubuntu: could you give me the output of "lspci | grep -i vga" ?
[17:56] <bioterror> with that old intel I would not mind playing games thru wine
[17:56] <bioterror> but now Kids to bed ;)
[17:56] <bioterror> bbl
[17:56] <wxl> bioterror: you make a good point about focus with hot keys.. i've heard/noticed this before but was not able to find a good solution
[17:58] <blueblue2> gastly are you stil here?
[17:58] <gastly> blueblue2, yes
[17:58] <blueblue2> tank god
[17:58] <blueblue2> thank*
[17:59] <blueblue2> lol
[17:59] <gastly> :>
[17:59] <blueblue2> so my partitioning is done but i was wondering should i set up any flags like for boot?
[18:00] <gastly> blueblue2, I think it will be done automatically when you install Lubuntu, so no need to do it manually
[18:00] <blueblue2> i see windows has a flag set to boot
[18:01] <blueblue2> i want to have a choice of windows or linux when i boot ,  think that is called dual booting?
[18:01] <gastly> yup, Grub will take care of that
[18:01] <gastly> you can go ahead and start the install, blueblue2
[18:02] <blueblue2> i dont have grub installed
[18:02] <gastly> it will get installed automatically when you install Lubuntu to your hard disk
[18:03] <gastly> installation is pretty darn easy these days xD
[18:03] <blueblue2> lo
[18:03] <blueblue2> lol
[18:03] <blueblue2> ya hmm puppy had to install grub tok me a long time
[18:04] <blueblue2> it is pretty inspecific on how to edit the boot file
[18:05] <blueblue2> hmm my swap is 1000 mb is that right?
[18:05] <blueblue2> isnt that a gb why doesnt it say 1gb lol
[18:06] <gastly> lol, dunno but yeah it's 1GB xD
[18:07] <chris_lubuntu> wxl: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[18:07] <blueblue2> isnt 1000mb a gb?
[18:07] <chris_lubuntu> i updated mesa and wine too, and now this error doesnt show up
[18:08] <wxl> chris_lubuntu: you may appreciate this discussion http://askubuntu.com/questions/4658/how-to-install-intel-82852-855gm-driver
[18:09] <chris_lubuntu> i give it a try
[18:09] <chris_lubuntu> is this red text private or something? :D
[18:09] <wxl> hm?
[18:10] <chris_lubuntu> now your name is blue, and before it was red, is this like whisper?
[18:13] <chris_lubuntu> thanks for the link but it says i have newest version for everything
[18:25] <wxl> chris_lubuntu: it's because i didn't mention you
[18:26] <wxl> like now you don't notice
[18:26] <wxl> anywho i sent the link more for to prove the point that graphics driver has been a real pain in the butt
[18:31] <wxl> whoa, 12.04 is to be non-PAE.. for lubuntu this is a particular concern! http://news.softpedia.com/news/i386-non-PAE-Kernel-To-Be-Removed-from-Ubuntu-12-04-234434.shtml
[18:39] <iceroot> wxl: there is no reason to use pase
[18:39] <iceroot> wxl: amd64 is what you want  also see www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&id=78966&threadid=78766&roomid=2
[18:41] <iceroot> oh
[18:41] <iceroot> they are talking about removing non-pae? so there will be only pae or amd64?
[18:42] <wxl> talking about removing pae support
[18:42] <wxl> given lubuntu is intended for legacy devices that seems like a bummer,l to say the least
[18:42] <iceroot> wxl: removing pae support is good but it seems non-ape will be removed
[18:43] <wxl> how do you figure it's good?
[18:43] <iceroot> If the non-PAE i386 kernel will be removed from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, non-PAE users will have to upgrade to the PAE kernel, and processors missing the PAE and i686 support will be orphaned.
[18:43] <iceroot> wxl: www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&id=78966&threadid=78766&roomid=2
[18:44] <iceroot> wxl: pae is bad and should be removed
[18:44] <iceroot> wxl: removing i386 and only providing pae and amd64 is bad (imo)
[18:44] <wxl> i mean i could give a crap less about it but i'm not using it on hardware that old
[18:45] <wxl> on the other hand if it's a question of supporting old crap while negatively affecting new stuff that's not good
[18:45] <wxl> it would be nice, though, if there was still an option for those people using the old crap
[18:45] <iceroot> wxl: the old one is not "crap"
[18:46] <wxl> by crap i mean hardware
[18:46] <iceroot> wxl: read the article to see why pae is bad
[18:47] <iceroot> wxl: and should not be supported
[18:47] <chris_lubuntu> i dont get what you mean with pae...
[18:48] <iceroot> !pae
[18:49] <chris_lubuntu> okay.... i dont have even 1gb ram :D
[18:49] <wxl> also https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[18:49] <wxl> i guess that's another point to think about.. people aren't trying to "push" 32bit. if it's a question of supporting legacy hardware, it's probably a legacy system, i.e. doesn't have much memory anyways :D
[18:51] <bioterror> wxl, I've been lazy and using other things than lubuntu as my main laptop, but I just installed 11.10 (becouse this looks better than previous ;)
[18:51] <bioterror> and I just noticed that this feature about popup has changed
[18:51] <wxl> bioterror: i concur
[18:51] <wxl> popup? you mean the focus?
[18:52] <bioterror> yeah
[18:52] <bioterror> mmm
[18:52] <chris_lubuntu> what?
[18:52] <wxl> i didn't spend enough time with 11.04 to notice it had changed
[18:52]  * bioterror fire vim
[18:52] <bioterror> s
[18:52] <wxl> chris_lubuntu: maximize some window then hit alt-f2 and see whether or not the run dialog is focused or in the background
[18:52] <bioterror> yes
[18:53] <bioterror> somehow that "run" is not considered as a new window
[18:53] <chris_lubuntu> background
[18:53] <wxl> right
[18:53] <wxl> but check ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and you'll find the focus tags all set to yes
[18:53] <wxl> everything SHOULD be opening up on top
[18:53] <bioterror> yeah
[18:54] <bioterror> hmmmm
[18:56] <bioterror> wxl, this was dirty, but I installed gmrun and replaced "lxpanelctl run" with it
[18:56] <wxl> that's disgusting, bioterror
[18:56] <bioterror> but I get focus ;---)
[18:57] <bioterror> so we should rise two bugs against lubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <wxl> two?
[18:57] <bioterror> one is Super_L and another one is this
[18:58] <wxl> what's the bug with super_l
[18:58] <wxl> ?
[18:58] <wxl> anyways, write the bug and i'll confirm ;D
[18:59] <bioterror> bug with super_l is that if you press windows button + something, it will popup "start menu"
[18:59] <bioterror> windows + r, for example
[18:59] <wxl> more that if you press wnidows button ANYTHING you get start menu
[18:59] <bioterror> yeah
[18:59] <wxl> actually if you just press windows button you get start menu
[19:01] <wxl> oh i see there are binds to the desktop for W-fkeys
[19:01] <wxl> so yep, that's a bug
[19:01] <bioterror> dirty fix is to remove those lines :D
[19:01] <wxl> removing them does not make the menu pop up???
[19:01] <bioterror> yeah, you remove SUPER_L
[19:02] <wxl> weird
[19:02] <bioterror> but I removed SUPER_R too
[19:02] <bioterror> not at all
[19:02] <wxl> that's a definite bug
[19:10] <wxl> i notice on my track pad occassionally my desktop flickers (between workspaces).. not sure how track pad use becomes key+up/down binding.. i need to pay attention to that more
[19:13] <bioterror> wxl, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#The_scroll_button_on_your_mouse_keeps_changing_the_Desktop_Workspace_even_when_you.27re_scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file. something like this?
[19:16] <wxl> bioterror: ah that may be the offending line
[19:17] <wxl> that seems like a bloody useless shortcut
[19:23] <bioterror> wxl, and gmrun is btw. better than that lxpanelctl run
[19:24] <wxl> bioterror: unfortunately it doesn't solve the fact that NO HOT KEY results in a focused window
[19:24] <wxl> i, for example, have a hot key for a particular ssh connection i regularly make.. always in the background
[19:24] <bioterror> really?
[19:24] <wxl> make up a hot key for something and see what happens!
[19:25] <bioterror> windows + e = pcmanfm
[19:25] <bioterror> haha
[19:25] <bioterror> now it did not focus
[19:26] <wxl> oh weird
[19:26] <wxl> c+a+t works
[19:27] <wxl> so does c+a+d
[19:27] <wxl> oh harumph
[19:27] <wxl> what the hell did i do because now all of mine work???? :D
[19:27] <bioterror> change back to terminal or something
[19:27] <bioterror> and press again
[19:27] <wxl> hm it's all working for me
[19:27] <bioterror> aaaa!
[19:27] <bioterror> I got it
[19:28] <wxl> just not a+f2
[19:28] <wxl> oh?
[19:28] <bioterror> if I click wallpaper >> it will bring foreground the launched application
[19:28] <wxl> oh i thought you had a fix not a band-aid :D
[19:28] <bioterror> if I have terminal for example active >> it will not bring launched application to foreground and focus
[19:29] <lrojas> how can i change the settings in lubuntu to not have my screen go to sleep or darken when plugged to a power source?
[19:29] <bioterror> try it yourself
[19:29] <wxl> as far as i can tell i only have this problem with a+f2
[19:30] <lrojas> ?
[19:31] <wxl> right click on the battery icon lrojas
[19:33] <lrojas> thanks
[19:33] <lrojas> kind of weird that lubuntu uses the xfce power manager
[19:33] <bioterror> not at all
[19:33] <bioterror> gnome messed their ;)
[19:33] <wxl> lxde has been sort of put together in pieces
[19:34] <lrojas> hehe, ok.. true.. i was just expecting to see something more generic or at least lxde related...
[19:34] <wxl> lxdm used to be useless
[19:34] <wxl> despite the rest of lxde being pretty decent
[19:41] <wxl> ooh new supertuxkart out
[19:43] <wxl> OHHHH
[19:43] <wxl> if you run "lxpanelctl run" in command line the focus goes back
[19:43] <wxl> scratch that
[19:43] <wxl> badly worded sentence
[19:43] <wxl> it's inheiriently onfucsed
[19:44] <wxl> unfocused
[19:44] <wxl> it has nothing to do with openbox, bioterror
[19:46] <wxl> what's very odd is that "lxpanelctl config" *IS* focused
[19:46] <wxl> so now we have a bug against lxpanelctl
[19:46] <wxl> tada!
[19:50] <bioterror> will you handle that? :)
[19:52] <wxl> working towards it
[19:52] <wxl> suprisingly googling "lxpanelctl run unfocus" pulls up nothing of relevance from what i can tell
[19:52] <wxl> odd that no one's noticed
[19:53] <wxl> you make that bug on super_l tho ;)
[19:53] <bioterror> I'm making about super_l
[19:54] <wxl> crap can't use ubuntu-bug
[19:54] <wxl> not against lxpanelctl
[19:55] <bioterror> hmm
[19:55] <wxl> seems to be behaving against lxpanel tho
[19:55] <bioterror> lxpanel has lxpanelctl
[19:55] <bioterror> so
[20:03] <bioterror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/890394
[20:04] <maraz> bioterror: you are awesome
[20:04] <bioterror> maraz, my wife disagrees :D
[20:05] <bioterror> she came just home and I have not cleaned or anything :D
[20:05] <bioterror> could not care less as I've back ache
[20:07] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/890395
[20:07]  * wxl 's wife sometime thinks he is awesome but generally not when it comes to reporting bugs.. unless they're spiders. She hates those.
[20:07] <wxl> (although they are not TECHNICALLY bugs)
[20:08] <bioterror> yeah, but they are considered as ones ;)
[20:08] <wxl> i think they help keep the flies away, but that's just me;)
[20:08] <wxl> can you ubuntu-bug <bug number> ?
[20:09] <wxl> i know you can ubuntu-bug <process id>
[20:09] <wxl> i guess i could try
[20:10] <wxl> nope
[20:10] <wxl> ah -u
[20:12] <bioterror> !bug 890395
[20:12] <bioterror> :D
[20:12] <wxl> :)
[20:12] <bioterror> I commented that
[20:13] <wxl> !bug 890394
[20:14] <wxl> no comment but we're confirmed :D
[20:14] <bioterror> what else we could find broken
[20:14] <wxl> oh i should file against lubuntu-meta
[20:15] <wxl> and you should file against, um, something :D
[20:15] <bioterror> I used lubuntu-desktop which went to lubuntu-meta
[20:16] <wxl> i wish that lubuntu showed as a distribution and not as a project/package
[20:17] <wxl> oh wlel i guess i'll let someone else mess with that
[20:17]  * wxl goes back to work
[22:13] <bkerensa> hi all
[22:13] <bioterror> hi
[23:25] <fladd> hi there
[23:25] <fladd> just installed lubuntu. can anyone tell me how to make lxpanelctl working???
[23:28] <fladd> no one?
[23:28] <fladd> is it working for everyone, or is it working for noone and a known bug or something?
[23:28] <xsaidx> fladd: wht you want exactly ?
[23:29] <fladd> I would like to know, what I need to do after installing lubuntu to make lxpanelctl work. For instance, when I type in a shell "lxpanelctl run" I was expecting a run dialogue, but nothing happens. The same holds for all other lxpanelctl options
[23:30] <fladd> also, there are default keybindings to lxpanelctl calls. these, obviously, also do not work (since the underlying lxpanelctl doesn't work at all)
[23:30] <xsaidx> fladd: ok now what you want the lxpanel to do for you cus i nver use it
[23:31] <fladd> basically, I want all the lubuntu keyboard shortcuts to work
[23:31] <fladd> likle W-r, or Alt-F1 and so on
[23:32] <xsaidx> im not sure but this must be set somewhere in the openbox config
[23:34] <fladd> yes, it is, and there it says that it is just calling lxpanelctl, but this programme is non-functional!
[23:34] <xsaidx> fladd: well i jsut test this lxpanel and it wokin for me i gues this comes from config files ill give you mine if you want
[23:34] <fladd> yes, please
[23:34] <fladd> so just to be sure, when you do "lxpanelctl run" in a shell, this actually does something for you?
[23:35] <xsaidx> yeh its does the same when you hit alt+f2
[23:35] <fladd> mmh
[23:35] <fladd> it does nothing for me here
[23:35] <fladd> I don't really see what could have gone wrong
[23:36] <xsaidx> lxpanelctl menu shows menu etc
[23:36] <fladd> I just did a sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.
[23:36] <xsaidx> well now ytou want .lxpanel file ight
[23:36] <fladd> very very strange
[23:36] <fladd> not sure, if this is related to the lxpanelctl call, then yes
[23:37] <xsaidx> fladd: dude in my lxpanel i have only those menu entries i have so yeh
[23:38] <xsaidx> but i woud recomde you to ty this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#LXPanel_disappeared_and_after_lauching_lxpanel_again.2C_it_looks_ugly.
[23:39] <fladd> doesn't do anything
[23:40] <fladd> Lubuntu seems to be just broken
[23:40] <fladd> Apparently, being an "official" Ubuntu flavour, also means to adapt the crappy quality control of regular Ubuntu! LOL
[23:41] <fladd> Anyway, I don't have time for this, then I can also configure OpenBox myself. No need for Lubuntu, if it does not work out of the box.
[23:41] <fladd> But thanks a lot for your help
[23:41] <fladd> Bye