[00:00] <anadon> How did I miss that?
[00:00] <anadon> thanks!
[00:00] <jtaylor> not recommended to use unless oyu know what you're doing
[00:00] <jtaylor> e.g. a perl transition is about to come which will disrupt the archvie quite a bit
[00:01] <anadon> I'll make it through--I have 2 other OSs on this machine should the worst happen
[00:01] <anadon> and win 8
[00:02] <anadon> gawd it is bad.... 8 clicks to shut-down
[14:08] <jbwiv_> guys, anyone know if the improved multi-monitor support is testable/installable on Oneiric? I had to switch over the KDE for now because unity wouldn't support my three monitor setup...I'd like to switch back sooner rather than later...
[14:08] <iceroot> jbwiv_: #ubuntu
[14:08] <Ian_Corne> even if you could, it's focused on 2 monitor support
[14:09] <coz_> when did this happen ^^ ?
[14:10] <jbwiv_> Ian_Corne, huh? I saw a video online demostrating 6 monitor support in the 12.04?!
[14:10] <coz_> if ubuntu has focused solely on dual monitors that is a BIG step backwards
[14:11] <coz_> jbwiv_,  I have seen 6 monitor set ups with most of the ubuntu versions this past few years...
[14:16] <patdk-wk> ya, I love my 6 monitor setup
[14:17] <patdk-wk> need a 40" screen with the >100 dpi
[14:19] <coz_> that would be sweet ")
[14:21] <patdk-wk> next would need a video card that supported > 2600x?
[14:22] <geser> coz_: it would really be a shame if it's limited to 2 monitors but it would a least still be an improvement, as sometimes I get the impression that multi monitor isn't tested at all (like indicator menus properly working only on one monitor)
[14:23] <patdk-wk> hmm 100dpi 40" would be 3500x1970
[14:23] <coz_> geser,   I doubt many multiple monitor set ups are tested adequately.. although, again, if it is now ONLY dual monitor support..then it is an enormouse backstep for the distribution
[14:24] <coz_> enormous
[14:24] <coz_> there are thousands and thousands of ubuntu users who have dual and more monitors on their systems
[14:26] <coz_> any attempt to fiddle around with multi monitor support is a death sentence for ubuntu
[14:27] <jasef> coz_, where are you getting your figures from?
[14:27] <coz_> jasef,  years of support
[14:27] <jasef> coz_, you've supported several thousand users with dual monitors?
[14:27] <jasef> dual or more*
[14:28] <patdk-wk> why several thousands?
[14:28] <coz_> jasef,  hundreds personally,, but considering the  trend in multi monitor set ups the figures cannot be that far off
[14:28] <patdk-wk> if he had to, that means he supported every single ubuntu user
[14:29] <coz_> none the less, any step "backwards" , in this case multi monitor support, is foolish
[14:29] <jasef> patdk-wk, I said 'several thousand' because coz_ stated before 'thousands and thousands of ubuntu users' use two or more >.>
[14:30] <coz_> geser,   which video cards do you have?
[14:31] <patdk-wk> thousands and thousands = several thousands
[14:32] <jasef> patdk-wk, I know that - that's why I said it.
[14:32] <patdk-wk> if coz has helped 100 ubuntu users, and 10/20 used dual monitors
[14:32] <patdk-wk> that would be a reasonable scale up
[14:32]  * patdk-wk wonders how ubuntu vm's fit in, without any monitors :)
[14:32] <geser> an ATI HD* (don't know the exact number, but it's a couple of years old now) and I use the free radeon driver (didn't had time to figure out how to properly set up fglfx with dual monitors)
[14:33] <coz_> geser,  ok I am an idiot with ati  cards,,, have you checked in #radeon at all?
[14:33] <coz_> geser,  you have only one dual head card?
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> coz_: i didn' tsay only
[14:34] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  oh ok :)
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> but i thought I read somewhere that they are focusing on enhancing the experience with more then one monitor, specifically 2
[14:34] <Ian_Corne> so they're not taking anything back :p
[14:34] <coz_> cool
[14:35] <coz_> concern is now ended :)
[14:35] <geser> yes, only one card, didn't check in #radeon as the free driver works (though only 2d) and I didn't need 3d acceleration in the past
[14:35] <coz_> geser,  again with ati I am not skilled with,, how were you getting the 3rd monitor on a dual head card?
[14:36] <coz_> geser,   driver?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> so who's testing 12.04 and if so what's it like so far for desktops with nvidia graphics?
[14:36] <coz_> BluesKaj,  that's why I am hanging out here :)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> hey coz_ :)
[14:37] <geser> coz_: I've only 2 monitors and my card has 2 connectors, so no problem :)
[14:37] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy :)  i think we both know nvidia will break several times before release,, regardless :)
[14:38] <coz_> geser,  ok I may have not read correctly then,, I thought you wanted three monitors connected
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yup,  think I'll do the real tsting on my other linux machine ...this is our media server , don't want the wife's wrath on me this time :)
[14:39] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I completely understand :)
[14:42]  * BluesKaj wonders what major changes to expect on 12.04/Kubuntu
[14:44] <jbwiv_> coz_: unity won't work with xinerama on 11.10. Nor will unity 2d
[14:45] <jbwiv_> that's why I'm on kde now
[14:45] <jbwiv_> temporarily
[14:45] <coz_> jbwiv_,  which video card?
[14:46] <geser> xinerama = one desktop spanning 2 monitors?
[14:46] <coz_> BluesKaj,    http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/11/6-key-changes-in-next-ubuntu-1204_12.html
[14:46] <jbwiv_> coz_: nvidia
[14:46] <jbwiv_> geser, or three in my case
[14:47] <coz_> jbwiv_,  mm  well compiz doesnt work with xinerama  but needs nvidia's  version of it
[14:47] <geser> I've unity-2d on my dual monitors setup (with the free radeon driver and obviously an ATI card)
[14:47] <jbwiv_> coz_ two cards: GeForce GT 440 and GeForce 9800 GT
[14:47] <jbwiv_> geser, dual monitors work fine
[14:48] <jbwiv_> especially with things like nvidia's twinview
[14:48] <coz_> jbwiv_,  mm  so you want the 3 monitors?
[14:48] <jbwiv_> but when you go above two...
[14:48] <geser> the 2 cards make things complicate?
[14:48] <jbwiv_> coz_, yes
[14:48] <jbwiv_> geser, just the need to support three monitor. that requires two cards
[14:48] <coz_> ^^
[14:48] <jbwiv_> kde4 supports the three out of the box. unity+compiz and unity2d both break
[14:49] <coz_> jbwiv_,  mm.. check in #ayatana
[14:49] <jbwiv_> coz_, that's new to me. I'll take a look
[14:49] <coz_> jbwiv_,  see if they have any reason for it,,you can also ask smspillaz in #ayatana since he is the main developer for compiz which Unity runs under
[14:50] <jbwiv_> coz_: cool. thanks!
[14:50] <geser> I don't know who is responsible for that work item for 12.04, but let them know they should also check with 3 monitors (or more). at least it's still early enough that it might be considered (during beta it's mostly to late for such things)
[14:51] <jbwiv_> geser, I saw it demonstrated across six monitors on 12.04. looked good and functional
[14:51] <jbwiv_> I'm just hoping those features will trickle into 11.10
[14:54] <coz_> jbwiv_,  #ayatana can be slow at times... so just hang out there... not often really a support channel as it is a development channel,, if they get rude move to #compiz-dev to speak with smspillaz,,, although he has been in and out there and also lives in austrailia so adjust to your time zone
[14:56] <jbwiv_> coz_, ok, thanks man. very helpful. I appreciate it!
[14:56] <coz_> jbwiv_,  no problem
[14:57] <coz_> jbwiv_,  again  sam = smspillaz.. has mainly moved to the #ayatana channel but still frequents #compiz-dev which is where I believe he should be :)
[21:43] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do