| anadon | How did I miss that? | 00:00 |
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| anadon | thanks! | 00:00 |
| jtaylor | not recommended to use unless oyu know what you're doing | 00:00 |
| jtaylor | e.g. a perl transition is about to come which will disrupt the archvie quite a bit | 00:00 |
| anadon | I'll make it through--I have 2 other OSs on this machine should the worst happen | 00:01 |
| anadon | and win 8 | 00:01 |
| anadon | gawd it is bad.... 8 clicks to shut-down | 00:02 |
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| jbwiv_ | guys, anyone know if the improved multi-monitor support is testable/installable on Oneiric? I had to switch over the KDE for now because unity wouldn't support my three monitor setup...I'd like to switch back sooner rather than later... | 14:08 |
| iceroot | jbwiv_: #ubuntu | 14:08 |
| Ian_Corne | even if you could, it's focused on 2 monitor support | 14:08 |
| coz_ | when did this happen ^^ ? | 14:09 |
| jbwiv_ | Ian_Corne, huh? I saw a video online demostrating 6 monitor support in the 12.04?! | 14:10 |
| coz_ | if ubuntu has focused solely on dual monitors that is a BIG step backwards | 14:10 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, I have seen 6 monitor set ups with most of the ubuntu versions this past few years... | 14:11 |
| patdk-wk | ya, I love my 6 monitor setup | 14:16 |
| patdk-wk | need a 40" screen with the >100 dpi | 14:17 |
| coz_ | that would be sweet ") | 14:19 |
| patdk-wk | next would need a video card that supported > 2600x? | 14:21 |
| geser | coz_: it would really be a shame if it's limited to 2 monitors but it would a least still be an improvement, as sometimes I get the impression that multi monitor isn't tested at all (like indicator menus properly working only on one monitor) | 14:22 |
| patdk-wk | hmm 100dpi 40" would be 3500x1970 | 14:23 |
| coz_ | geser, I doubt many multiple monitor set ups are tested adequately.. although, again, if it is now ONLY dual monitor support..then it is an enormouse backstep for the distribution | 14:23 |
| coz_ | enormous | 14:24 |
| coz_ | there are thousands and thousands of ubuntu users who have dual and more monitors on their systems | 14:24 |
| coz_ | any attempt to fiddle around with multi monitor support is a death sentence for ubuntu | 14:26 |
| jasef | coz_, where are you getting your figures from? | 14:27 |
| coz_ | jasef, years of support | 14:27 |
| jasef | coz_, you've supported several thousand users with dual monitors? | 14:27 |
| jasef | dual or more* | 14:27 |
| patdk-wk | why several thousands? | 14:28 |
| coz_ | jasef, hundreds personally,, but considering the trend in multi monitor set ups the figures cannot be that far off | 14:28 |
| patdk-wk | if he had to, that means he supported every single ubuntu user | 14:28 |
| coz_ | none the less, any step "backwards" , in this case multi monitor support, is foolish | 14:29 |
| jasef | patdk-wk, I said 'several thousand' because coz_ stated before 'thousands and thousands of ubuntu users' use two or more >.> | 14:29 |
| coz_ | geser, which video cards do you have? | 14:30 |
| patdk-wk | thousands and thousands = several thousands | 14:31 |
| jasef | patdk-wk, I know that - that's why I said it. | 14:32 |
| patdk-wk | if coz has helped 100 ubuntu users, and 10/20 used dual monitors | 14:32 |
| patdk-wk | that would be a reasonable scale up | 14:32 |
| * patdk-wk wonders how ubuntu vm's fit in, without any monitors :) | 14:32 | |
| geser | an ATI HD* (don't know the exact number, but it's a couple of years old now) and I use the free radeon driver (didn't had time to figure out how to properly set up fglfx with dual monitors) | 14:32 |
| coz_ | geser, ok I am an idiot with ati cards,,, have you checked in #radeon at all? | 14:33 |
| coz_ | geser, you have only one dual head card? | 14:33 |
| Ian_Corne | coz_: i didn' tsay only | 14:34 |
| coz_ | Ian_Corne, oh ok :) | 14:34 |
| Ian_Corne | but i thought I read somewhere that they are focusing on enhancing the experience with more then one monitor, specifically 2 | 14:34 |
| Ian_Corne | so they're not taking anything back :p | 14:34 |
| coz_ | cool | 14:34 |
| coz_ | concern is now ended :) | 14:35 |
| geser | yes, only one card, didn't check in #radeon as the free driver works (though only 2d) and I didn't need 3d acceleration in the past | 14:35 |
| coz_ | geser, again with ati I am not skilled with,, how were you getting the 3rd monitor on a dual head card? | 14:35 |
| coz_ | geser, driver? | 14:36 |
| BluesKaj | so who's testing 12.04 and if so what's it like so far for desktops with nvidia graphics? | 14:36 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, that's why I am hanging out here :) | 14:36 |
| BluesKaj | hey coz_ :) | 14:37 |
| geser | coz_: I've only 2 monitors and my card has 2 connectors, so no problem :) | 14:37 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, hey guy :) i think we both know nvidia will break several times before release,, regardless :) | 14:37 |
| coz_ | geser, ok I may have not read correctly then,, I thought you wanted three monitors connected | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | yup, think I'll do the real tsting on my other linux machine ...this is our media server , don't want the wife's wrath on me this time :) | 14:38 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, I completely understand :) | 14:39 |
| * BluesKaj wonders what major changes to expect on 12.04/Kubuntu | 14:42 | |
| jbwiv_ | coz_: unity won't work with xinerama on 11.10. Nor will unity 2d | 14:44 |
| jbwiv_ | that's why I'm on kde now | 14:45 |
| jbwiv_ | temporarily | 14:45 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, which video card? | 14:45 |
| geser | xinerama = one desktop spanning 2 monitors? | 14:46 |
| coz_ | BluesKaj, http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/11/6-key-changes-in-next-ubuntu-1204_12.html | 14:46 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_: nvidia | 14:46 |
| jbwiv_ | geser, or three in my case | 14:46 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, mm well compiz doesnt work with xinerama but needs nvidia's version of it | 14:47 |
| geser | I've unity-2d on my dual monitors setup (with the free radeon driver and obviously an ATI card) | 14:47 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_ two cards: GeForce GT 440 and GeForce 9800 GT | 14:47 |
| jbwiv_ | geser, dual monitors work fine | 14:47 |
| jbwiv_ | especially with things like nvidia's twinview | 14:48 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, mm so you want the 3 monitors? | 14:48 |
| jbwiv_ | but when you go above two... | 14:48 |
| geser | the 2 cards make things complicate? | 14:48 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_, yes | 14:48 |
| jbwiv_ | geser, just the need to support three monitor. that requires two cards | 14:48 |
| coz_ | ^^ | 14:48 |
| jbwiv_ | kde4 supports the three out of the box. unity+compiz and unity2d both break | 14:48 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, mm.. check in #ayatana | 14:49 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_, that's new to me. I'll take a look | 14:49 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, see if they have any reason for it,,you can also ask smspillaz in #ayatana since he is the main developer for compiz which Unity runs under | 14:49 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_: cool. thanks! | 14:50 |
| geser | I don't know who is responsible for that work item for 12.04, but let them know they should also check with 3 monitors (or more). at least it's still early enough that it might be considered (during beta it's mostly to late for such things) | 14:50 |
| jbwiv_ | geser, I saw it demonstrated across six monitors on 12.04. looked good and functional | 14:51 |
| jbwiv_ | I'm just hoping those features will trickle into 11.10 | 14:51 |
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| coz_ | jbwiv_, #ayatana can be slow at times... so just hang out there... not often really a support channel as it is a development channel,, if they get rude move to #compiz-dev to speak with smspillaz,,, although he has been in and out there and also lives in austrailia so adjust to your time zone | 14:54 |
| jbwiv_ | coz_, ok, thanks man. very helpful. I appreciate it! | 14:56 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, no problem | 14:56 |
| coz_ | jbwiv_, again sam = smspillaz.. has mainly moved to the #ayatana channel but still frequents #compiz-dev which is where I believe he should be :) | 14:57 |
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| BluesKaj | BBL, stuff to do | 21:43 |
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