[10:52] <fregl> AlanBell: maybe you want to add the qt accessibility feed to the a11y planet http://labs.qt.nokia.com/category/labs/accessibility/feed/
[11:16] <AlanBell> fregl: added, but nothing recent enough in that feed to make the front page
[11:45] <fregl> AlanBell: it's fine, we'll blog when there's real news :)
[11:45] <fregl> thanks
[12:39]  * joanie pings anyone who is listening ;) ;)
[12:39] <joanie> So I just did a search of packages.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <joanie> Oneiric is shipping pygobject 3.0.0
[12:40] <joanie> F16 is shipping 3.0.2 which is to my knowledge the latest stable version
[12:40] <joanie> On the Oneiric line above, stick a question mark at the end
[12:40] <joanie> ;)
[12:41] <joanie> The reason I'm asking is that there's a bug fix in pygobject 3.0.2 which Orca needs
[12:42] <Pendulum> stable tarball on the pygobject website says 3.0 as current stable release (I'm looking at http://live.gnome.org/PyGObject )
[12:44] <joanie> Pendulum, follow that link
[12:44] <Pendulum> but I will look into it and see who to poke and see if we can get 3.0.2 into an update
[12:44] <joanie> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pygobject/3.0/
[12:44] <Pendulum> yeah, now I see
[12:45] <Pendulum> so will see who I can find about that and poke
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> Good spot joanie 
[12:47]  * Pendulum has poked pitti 
[12:47] <Pendulum> I think he's likely the correct person
[12:49] <Pendulum> joanie: how soon is it going to break Orca if we don't fix it and can I get a brief description of why it's needed past the general?
[12:50] <Pendulum> (I just want as much information as possible in case I get asked)
[12:50] <joanie> because there's some bug fixes since 3.0.0 which Orca requires in order for rebinding of keybindings to work
[12:51] <joanie> and today is a GNOME stable release day
[12:51] <joanie> and I am going to make an Orca tarball for stable release
[12:51] <Pendulum> *nods*
[12:51] <Pendulum> okay
[12:51] <Pendulum> hopefully pitti will get back to me soon
[12:51] <joanie> and Ubuntu isn't shipping the stable release of pygobject 3.0
[12:51] <Pendulum> right
[12:53] <Pendulum> they've got 3.0.2 in Precise so I'm not sure if there's a specific reason they haven't stuck it into an Oneiric update or not
[12:53] <joanie> anyhoo, in asking at the upstream level, it looks like I am "allowed" to bump Orca's minimum required version of pygobject 3 to the GNOME official stable version of that module (3.0.2)
[12:53] <joanie> i.e. because Orca stable is part of gnome stable. ditto for pygobject
[12:53] <joanie> if you follow what I'm saying
[12:53] <Pendulum> yeah
[12:55] <Pendulum> well, I've poked the person who has done all the most recent pygobject uploads. My guess is he's currently at lunch so hopefully he'll get back to me relatively soon :)
[13:23] <Pendulum> joanie: can you check to see if what needs to be fixed has already been done in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/pygobject/+changelog ?
[13:24] <Pendulum> they've apparently already backported some patches
[13:24] <Pendulum> (and if they haven't already backported the one that effects Orca, are happy to do so)
[13:24] <joanie> k thanks!
[13:24]  * joanie looks
[13:26] <joanie> This one for sure: http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?h=pygobject-3-0&id=611f58b99851328653af4930f188c33eccaa9f6f
[13:26] <joanie> I suspect this one is needed(ish) http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?h=pygobject-3-0&id=0f1eb9fa0e7aa5e7c22dabc709c0dfb469e404f1
[13:26] <AlanBell> both those look to be in
[13:27] <joanie> cool
[13:28] <joanie> and then you'll just have to change Orca's config.ac
[13:28] <joanie> because I'm bumping the minimum version there
[13:28] <joanie> wouldn't it be easier to just ship latest stable?
[13:29] <AlanBell> that would be a rolling release
[13:30] <Pendulum> AlanBell: where do you see that they're in?
[13:30] <AlanBell>   * Add 00git_wrapper_ref.patch: When converting an object with transfer none,
[13:30] <AlanBell>     make sure the wrapper owns a ref. (LP: #874299)
[13:30] <Pendulum> yeah, that one I saw
[13:31] <AlanBell>   * Add 00git_allow_gboxed_properties.patch: Add the GBoxed type as valid type
[13:31] <AlanBell>     to the gobject property helper. This fixes the "snippets" gedit plugin.
[13:31] <AlanBell>     Patch taken from upstream git head.  (LP: #877397)
[13:31] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[13:33]  * Pendulum wonders who can put in the patch for Orca's config.ac 
[13:34] <Pendulum> looks like it'll be a matter of poking Luke
[13:34] <AlanBell> are we getting a new orca in oneiric?
[13:35] <Pendulum> possibly
[13:35] <Pendulum> or, rather, I suppose we should ask Luke if he thinks it's worth doing :P
[13:36]  * Pendulum tends to be in favour of getting updates into things or at least available for them should people want them
[13:39] <AlanBell> me too
[13:40] <AlanBell> my onboard themes got merged in earlier
[13:49] <AlanBell> bug 626064
[13:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 626064 in onboard "onboard: add haptic feedback" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626064
[16:03] <AlanBell> Pendulum: what do you think of Simon so far?
[16:14] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I haven't installed yet
[16:32] <AlanBell> um, I meant the persona!
[18:27] <joanie> Anyone have any ideas if this reported bug is still valid? (I'm guessing not or we would have heard more about it from users and/or you) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585886
[18:27] <ubot2> Gnome bug 585886 in speech "Speech stops, Orca app crashes or freezes, when updating Ubuntu, opening apps in system menu." [Normal,Unconfirmed]