[10:52] AlanBell: maybe you want to add the qt accessibility feed to the a11y planet http://labs.qt.nokia.com/category/labs/accessibility/feed/ [11:16] fregl: added, but nothing recent enough in that feed to make the front page [11:45] AlanBell: it's fine, we'll blog when there's real news :) [11:45] thanks [12:39] * joanie pings anyone who is listening ;) ;) [12:39] So I just did a search of packages.ubuntu.com [12:39] Oneiric is shipping pygobject 3.0.0 [12:40] F16 is shipping 3.0.2 which is to my knowledge the latest stable version [12:40] On the Oneiric line above, stick a question mark at the end [12:40] ;) [12:41] The reason I'm asking is that there's a bug fix in pygobject 3.0.2 which Orca needs [12:42] stable tarball on the pygobject website says 3.0 as current stable release (I'm looking at http://live.gnome.org/PyGObject ) [12:44] Pendulum, follow that link [12:44] but I will look into it and see who to poke and see if we can get 3.0.2 into an update [12:44] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pygobject/3.0/ [12:44] yeah, now I see [12:45] so will see who I can find about that and poke [12:46] Good spot joanie [12:47] * Pendulum has poked pitti [12:47] I think he's likely the correct person [12:49] joanie: how soon is it going to break Orca if we don't fix it and can I get a brief description of why it's needed past the general? [12:50] (I just want as much information as possible in case I get asked) [12:50] because there's some bug fixes since 3.0.0 which Orca requires in order for rebinding of keybindings to work [12:51] and today is a GNOME stable release day [12:51] and I am going to make an Orca tarball for stable release [12:51] *nods* [12:51] okay [12:51] hopefully pitti will get back to me soon [12:51] and Ubuntu isn't shipping the stable release of pygobject 3.0 [12:51] right [12:53] they've got 3.0.2 in Precise so I'm not sure if there's a specific reason they haven't stuck it into an Oneiric update or not [12:53] anyhoo, in asking at the upstream level, it looks like I am "allowed" to bump Orca's minimum required version of pygobject 3 to the GNOME official stable version of that module (3.0.2) [12:53] i.e. because Orca stable is part of gnome stable. ditto for pygobject [12:53] if you follow what I'm saying [12:53] yeah [12:55] well, I've poked the person who has done all the most recent pygobject uploads. My guess is he's currently at lunch so hopefully he'll get back to me relatively soon :) [13:23] joanie: can you check to see if what needs to be fixed has already been done in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/pygobject/+changelog ? [13:24] they've apparently already backported some patches [13:24] (and if they haven't already backported the one that effects Orca, are happy to do so) [13:24] k thanks! [13:24] * joanie looks [13:26] This one for sure: http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?h=pygobject-3-0&id=611f58b99851328653af4930f188c33eccaa9f6f [13:26] I suspect this one is needed(ish) http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?h=pygobject-3-0&id=0f1eb9fa0e7aa5e7c22dabc709c0dfb469e404f1 [13:26] both those look to be in [13:27] cool [13:28] and then you'll just have to change Orca's config.ac [13:28] because I'm bumping the minimum version there [13:28] wouldn't it be easier to just ship latest stable? [13:29] that would be a rolling release [13:30] AlanBell: where do you see that they're in? [13:30] * Add 00git_wrapper_ref.patch: When converting an object with transfer none, [13:30] make sure the wrapper owns a ref. (LP: #874299) [13:30] yeah, that one I saw [13:31] * Add 00git_allow_gboxed_properties.patch: Add the GBoxed type as valid type [13:31] to the gobject property helper. This fixes the "snippets" gedit plugin. [13:31] Patch taken from upstream git head. (LP: #877397) [13:31] ah, okay [13:33] * Pendulum wonders who can put in the patch for Orca's config.ac [13:34] looks like it'll be a matter of poking Luke [13:34] are we getting a new orca in oneiric? [13:35] possibly [13:35] or, rather, I suppose we should ask Luke if he thinks it's worth doing :P [13:36] * Pendulum tends to be in favour of getting updates into things or at least available for them should people want them [13:39] me too [13:40] my onboard themes got merged in earlier [13:49] bug 626064 [13:49] Launchpad bug 626064 in onboard "onboard: add haptic feedback" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626064 [16:03] Pendulum: what do you think of Simon so far? [16:14] AlanBell: I haven't installed yet [16:32] um, I meant the persona! [18:27] Anyone have any ideas if this reported bug is still valid? (I'm guessing not or we would have heard more about it from users and/or you) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585886 [18:27] Gnome bug 585886 in speech "Speech stops, Orca app crashes or freezes, when updating Ubuntu, opening apps in system menu." [Normal,Unconfirmed]