[08:42] <dekarl> should the config.xml be shared between BE and FE (on the same machine)? I have a symlink from /home/mythtv to /etc/mytvh, but not from /home/<TheUserThatRunsTheFrontend>. Leaving me with an empty (but existing) file at /etc/mythtv/config.xml which the tools (e.g. mythmetadatalookup) complain about.
[08:43] <dekarl> (this is on mythbuntu 11.04 with master as of some hours ago)
[14:32] <superm1> dekarl: ideally they should be the same to avoid stuff like that complaining
[14:32] <superm1> the mythfrontend script is supposed to make it
[14:32] <superm1> and put you in the right group etc
[20:47] <antnash> Hi guys, I'm hoping someone can help me get my DVB-S card set up. Yesterday I could find channels with dvb-apps scan, but in the mythtv set up the signal/noise ratio would just go mental. Now I can't even find any channels with scan
[21:29] <dekarl> superm1: I don't see where it would do that in the wrapper (the config.xml and putting in the group part)
[21:43] <superm1> dekarl: oh maybe it was just mysql.txt it's doing it for then
[21:43] <superm1> in any case it should be doing it for both
[21:44] <dekarl> That would solve it. (at least for the --service startup, not sure about manual startup via the menu)
[21:45] <superm1> tbh, i'd like to kill this concept of having a group and shared conffile
[21:45] <superm1> but it's the easiest way to keep all these pieces getting along
[21:45] <dekarl> so just run everything under the mythtv id?
[21:45] <superm1> no, not mythtv id
[21:46] <superm1> at least when on the same system, all these things should have a way to discover this information
[21:46] <dekarl> the issue atm is that the backend gets an existing but empty file. I think no file would be ok, too
[21:47] <dekarl> so in the best case it provides a red herring when trying to debug "stuff"
[21:47] <superm1> well for now i think then get that config.xml stuff in the wrapper
[21:48] <superm1> but i want to come up with a better solution at some point
[21:54] <antnash> Could someone help me try and get my DVB-S card working please? It seems to register fine in dmesg, I've got  demux0  dvr0  frontend0  net0   in /dev/dvb/adapter0/
[21:56] <dekarl> antnash: you moved through the setup from top to bottom?
[21:56] <antnash> yup
[21:57] <antnash> whatever I do, it won't tune to channels
[21:57] <antnash> it won't tune to anything
[21:57] <dekarl> you did setup the DiSEqC tree?
[21:57] <antnash> LNB
[21:57] <dekarl> if it's just a directly connect LNB without anything in between...
[21:58] <antnash> huh
[21:58] <antnash> that's a thought
[21:58] <dekarl> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Setting_up_DVB-S_for_satellite
[21:58] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] User Manual:Setting up DVB-S for satellite - MythTV
[21:58] <antnash> They just installed a new satellite system in my building
[21:58] <dekarl> maybe you have "card -> 4 port switch -> LNB" if it's a shared dish
[21:59] <antnash> I think you may have a point
[21:59] <dekarl> that would be a usual setup around europe
[21:59] <antnash> which I guess would probably explain the signal/noise going berserk
[22:00] <dekarl> actually "card -> 4 port switch -> 4xLNB" with the four LNBs being the four combinations of high/low frequency and vertical/horizontal polarisation
[22:02] <antnash> Well this is fun
[22:03] <dekarl> the simplest solution might be to just ask the installer :)
[22:03] <antnash> so DiSEqC
[22:03] <antnash> Address of port switch??
[22:04] <dekarl> I think "the default" will do
[22:04] <antnash> I'll try and get his number from site management tomorrow. Default for number of ports is 2
[22:04] <dekarl> having never seen a DVB-S setup limits my experience a bit :)
[22:04] <dekarl> try 4 of you're not sure
[22:05] <dekarl> 2 is common for another common setup of for a single tv on a dish that can receive 2 satelite positions
[22:05] <dekarl> but that's not what you use if you supply multiple tvs
[22:08] <dekarl> antnash: I'm guessing at something similar to this installed at your house http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiswitch
[22:08] <Zinn> [en.wikipedia.org] Multiswitch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[22:08] <antnash> I really hope this works
[22:09] <antnash> That looks likely
[22:09] <antnash> How the hell am I meant to set it up in myth tho?
[22:09] <Zinn> antnash: Please watch your language.
[22:10] <antnash> heck?
[22:10] <antnash> there we are
[22:10] <antnash> Zinn, Zinn, Zinn. What a prude you are.
[22:10] <Zinn> Hi antnash, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[22:10] <dekarl> basically thats what I described earlier, but know what it might look like in real :D
[22:11] <dekarl> ... but now you know what it looks like...
[22:13] <antnash> nope. signal/noise is still having a fit
[22:13] <antnash> should it say...   Status: Scanning Frequency 11428000 No Lock   ?
[22:13] <dekarl> but does it find something on a know existing transponder?
[22:14] <dekarl> that's ok if that is not a used transponder at the constellation the dish is pointing at
[22:15] <dekarl> that was 28.2°?
[22:16] <dekarl> it should find a channel called "radio caroline" at 11428 MHz horizontal according to lyngsat ( http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html )
[22:16] <Zinn> [www.lyngsat.com] Eurobird 1 & Astra 1N/2A/2B/2D at 28.2°E - LyngSat
[22:16] <antnash> Yeah, I'm checking stuff from there
[22:17] <antnash> searching for ITV 1 atm.
[22:17] <antnash> The Signal/noise is going between about 25% and 85% every half second
[22:19] <antnash> any idea why it would be doing that, dekarl?
[22:19] <dekarl> hmm, maybe there is another DVB-S users from the UK over in #mythtv-users...
[22:19] <dekarl> it does that over here, too (DVB-C/T)
[22:20] <antnash> so that shouldn't be a problem?
[22:21] <antnash> I'm gonna try installing 10.10
[22:21] <dekarl> I think not. The jumping around is expected while the card tries to get a lock
[22:21] <dekarl> why?
[22:22] <antnash> see if that helps my dvb card
[22:22] <dekarl> if it's working with the scan* stuff then it's likely a question of the correct DiSEqC tree
[22:22] <antnash> It's not working with scan any more
[22:22] <antnash> It was, but not now
[22:25] <antnash> I don't get why it would just stop working with scan
[22:26] <dekarl> well, I'm at a point where my limited experience with DVB-S shows :( no idea
[22:30] <antnash> I just don't understand
[22:42] <antnash> I'm getting so fed up I might just install window 7 on it
[22:43] <dekarl> MCE will likely ask the same questions about your DiSEqC tree
[22:43] <antnash> Won't be using MCE
[22:43] <antnash> I think it's a driver problem
[22:44] <antnash> which I won't have on win 7
[22:44] <dekarl> your best bet is just asking someone who's seen a DVB-S setup for UK before or even better ask what exactly was installed... (moving on from the state where *scan did find something)
[22:44] <antnash> This is the problem
[22:44] <antnash> I can't get back to the point where it found stuff