[08:39] morning all [08:39] Morning! [08:39] Morning AlanBell popey [08:43] hi AlanBell [08:43] hi popey DJones and Pendulum who should be asleep [08:43] Morning all [08:49] AlanBell: I would be if I could be [08:52] Aloha [08:52] * czajkowski frowns at Pendulum [08:53] czajkowski: this is not by choice :P [08:54] czajkowski: am telling my ex who is WDW obsessed about Characters of Flight [08:54] Morning [09:10] [Jono Bacon] Scaling Up - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/14/scaling-up/ [10:03] good morning everyone, [10:04] morning [10:04] Good morning all! [10:04] morning MooDoo and JamesTait [10:05] brobostigon: o/ [10:05] does anyone else use bitlbee here, on ubuntu server lts, and getting msn failing? [10:05] JamesTait: o/ [10:06] and i fully expect gconf to fail, as it is ugrading on my desktop from gcpnf 2.34 to 3.2.3 [10:07] 2.32* [10:07] i haven't logged into msn for months [10:08] ok. [10:08] i just noticed, i only turn it on, when i want to talk to a specific person, that is on msn. [10:08] last i heard msn changed the protocol, so all non official clients are broken [10:08] gord: however. empathy works, and that is non-official. [10:09] here anyway. [10:10] shrug, i don't use msn anymore either so don't know a huge amount about it, just something i read a few weeks ago [10:11] ok, i will look on the bitlbee bug tracker, someone must have noticed, and reported it, and written it down. [10:13] actually i might go back to using empathy/pidgin now I have a fixed abode [10:14] Righto. [10:15] yep, FF9 has failed with the newer gconf. [10:16] "failed"? [10:17] Laney: sorry about the nottingham gig, i had a poorly daughter :( [10:17] Laney: it threw up an error, saying something along the lines of it couldnt communicate with dbud/gconf. [10:17] dbus* [10:17] 2.34? you are upgrading from an oneiric system that has not been upgraded since july? [10:18] also i see no firefox 9 [10:18] MooDoo: i didn't make it either :P [10:18] Laney: i am not on ubuntu, i am on debian sid/experimental. [10:19] Laney: ah ok, don't feel to bad then.... [10:19] there were about a dozen people there apparently [10:19] yeah i heard reports [10:19] i was in the pub with the missus and the others were incredibly late [10:19] couldn't leave her alone [10:19] AlanBell: yeah good reports from nottslug, paul sladen was there apparently, although i might have mis read the post [10:21] brobostigon: also, "firefox in not coming well with system upgrade shocker" [10:21] and ITYM iceweasel [10:21] Laney: agreed, i fully expected it. [10:28] Morning peeps :) [10:28] I'm drinking coffee out of my oggcamp 11 mug - is this wrong? [10:29] bigcalm: why would it be wrong? [10:29] bigcalm: now if you tell me that you've only purchased one mug, then yes it would be wrong [10:29] you should of got two one for safe keeping :S [10:29] MooDoo: coffee not tea :( [10:29] :D [10:29] MooDoo: Hayley bought a mug as well [10:30] bigcalm: then it's fine :) just keep hers pristine and it will be worth a few quid in a few years ;) [10:30] http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2011/11/big-brother-watching-listening.html#.TsDo9vJDPUI golly [10:31] wow [10:34] Nasty [10:34] remind me not to come darn sarf! [10:34] Might stop the cabbies from chatting though [10:39] doubt that :D [10:47] brobostigon: fwiw I can't connect to msn with empathy today [10:47] People still use msn? [10:47] popey: ah, i havent tried yet, let me try. [10:48] i only connected because brobostigon mentioned it [10:48] ok, her accounts in empathy shows it as connected, but none of my contacts are showing up. [10:48] the accounts* [10:49] bigcalm: i use it, as all my friends use it [10:49] libpurple is broken, emesene has a fix in place i believe [10:50] Ah. I guess that's the reason why I still use facebook [10:50] But others are lagging behinf [10:50] behind* [10:50] i'm connected to pidgen, then again i'm using an older version of Fedora here at work [10:59] one for popey http://images.tomahawk-player.org/elvis.png [10:59] czajkowski, I like it! [10:59] :D [10:59] like that! [11:00] reviewing http://tomahawk-player.org/about [11:05] czajkowski: that looks quite good, have you installed it yet? [11:05] nope [11:05] doing an article on it now [11:33] would anyone be able to help with my issue http://serverfault.com/questions/330701/504-and-502-with-cherokee-reverse-proxy-to-php-server === pancro is now known as pancro_lunch [11:55] ebuyer sending me emails about their new sales should really be considered a form of mugging [11:56] Heh [11:56] gord: unsubscribe? [11:57] then how would i know about their fantastic new sales? :( [11:57] I was happy to unsubscribe [11:59] Lunch! [12:17] I cannot believe it's lunch time already [12:17] me neither, but woohoo [12:19] far too early for lunch yet [12:20] i consider between 12 and 4 lunch time :) === pancro_lunch is now known as pancro [13:17] I found some odd behaviour in banshee [13:17] every so often - without being on shuffle play or anything - it'll drop in a sneaky wee 808 State track [13:25] gordonjcp: it's one redeeming feature is to play 808 state [13:26] true [13:52] WAH! [13:52] The Ubuntu loco events page has updated the layout [13:52] Fear change! [13:54] eww thats broken [13:54] where? [13:54] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1412/detail/ [13:54] oh, right [13:55] AlanBell: shall we aim for the 9th Dec for the xmas meal? Might get some more people to sign up then [13:55] broken? [13:57] it has just been unbroken slightly [14:02] :D [14:09] Myrtti: the Model M layout got merged and they are working on a more realistic dish keycap effect to go with it [14:10] whee [14:27] i really do need a new keyboard, normally get logitech but they always break. so i tried microsoft. worst keyboard in the world [14:28] gord which one? [14:28] I like the standard dell one [14:28] iruno, some terrible one [14:28] the back calls it a "sidewinder X4" [14:40] the front calls it a qwertyuiop ? [14:41] very clever ;) [14:42] simple mind.. [14:57] hello all [14:57] * MooDoo used a microsoft natural [14:58] s/used/uses [15:01] anyone know how to enable chap for PPTP-plugin with network-manager? [15:01] i am running ubuntu 11.10 [15:02] AlanBell: whats the on screen keyboard of choice these days? [15:06] Still not had any lunch :( [15:09] popey: onboard is OK [15:10] especially if you use it from trunk with the model m theme :) [15:10] heh [15:19] gord: you want a filco keyboard [15:20] AlanBell, quick google doesn't make me think i do ;) keys are too raised === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:22] http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/keyboards/keyboard/devices/4740 is my favourite keyboard ever, could do without the illuminated bit, but a joy to type on [15:22] until it breaks like all logitech stuff does [15:28] £70 . ouch (logitech mice/keyboards dont last long enough to cost £70) :) [15:28] as you alreayd said [15:37] My logitec trackballs are all > 3 years old [15:37] there's three of them, though, so perhaps that's why :) [15:47] ive had plenty of logitech stuff and ive worn most of it out. my harmony one is still going, (well the second one after the first broke), but then its a remote control that you dont use 8 hours a day [15:48] they last long for me [15:49] I had a logitech G15 I believe it lasted around 5 years with 12-18 hours a day use? [15:49] 5 years with the kind of punishment it gets from me is fair enough :P [15:50] I've had a Logitech trackball for about 10 years that got the same kind of treatment, I replaced it a couple years ago though just because it was ridiculously old. [15:54] perhaps trackballs last longer than mice [15:55] or ive been unlocky [15:55] unlucky [15:55] everything i get of theirs just, dies. and non of their wireless stuff works properly for me [15:56] user error ;) [15:56] i'll get occasional 10-15 seconds of it losing signal so it just sits there doing nothing, or repeating the last key i pressed down constantly [15:56] ive had more of a gord experience [15:56] i mean even my £100 remote broke [15:56] even after changing computer, changing devices and moving house it happens [15:56] the only trackball i have is in my tankstick - http://www.atpm.com/12.12/images/tankstick.jpg [15:56] :) [15:56] much better place for a trackball [15:57] My logitech G15 died on me, they do have a rather rough performance/ longevity [15:57] gord: my Logitech headset does seem to work reasonably well [15:57] it occasionally drops out, but I think that's what it does when it's low battery [15:57] a eadset has no excuse to break, but then if it is logitech it just might :-) [15:58] all of this is a giant shame, because when it does work, i really like logitech stuff :( [15:58] i like my harmony remote. i dont like the fact you need windows or a mac to prorgam it.. however you can do it in virtualbox so [15:59] he harmony remotes look great, but i only really use my ps3 (doesn't work with ps3 without an adapter) and xbmc (use my phone), i don't have much need [16:01] * Seeker` is surprised Azelphur has any electronics more than 30 mins old, given his ability to kill Arduinos. [16:01] :P [16:02] the problem with harmony remotes is the extreme lag between pressing a button and it doing anything. It is a nightmare to use for custom devices (i.e. mythtv) when scrolling etc. [16:03] * Seeker` has a G9, G13, G15, G27, G35 [16:03] and a harmony one [16:04] Seeker`: woo, G-Series stuff, you know ali1234 wrote Linux drivers for them right? [16:04] /awesome/ linux drivers. [16:04] I only really use linux for mythtv atm [16:04] ah [16:04] my desktop is usually in windows mode for gaming [16:04] Seeker`: I play WoW on Linux with my G19 and G13 [16:05] I pretty much exclusively use the G-Keys to play [16:05] yeah, I use the G13 and G9, only thing I use the G15 for is typing and Kidney Shot. [16:06] ah, your on WoW too? what realm [16:06] I have a legit copy of windows, didn't see the point in trying to get WoW to work under WINE when it works in windows, and with less chance of it randomly not working [16:06] Bronzebeard [16:06] you? [16:06] khadgar [16:06] hmm, got a lvl 10 or so goblin on there I think [16:07] I'm a guild leader and reliably make raids on Linux. :) [16:07] we're 6/7 FL atm [16:07] raggy going down tonight in theory \o/ [16:07] 6/7 heroic here [16:07] /hate [16:07] 3/7 heroic pre-nerf [16:07] hehe [16:08] what class do you play? [16:08] people still play wow? [16:08] wow [16:09] yes, wow :P [16:09] mage :P [16:09] no idea how people can play one game for so long, i went through three games just last week :P [16:09] woo for two button classes :P [16:09] Seeker`: 2? it's 1. [16:09] ah, macro? :P [16:09] arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast... xD [16:09] heh [16:10] the mage in my guild manages 50k on the pull, its stupid [16:10] and he's probably in full HC gear right? :) [16:10] not full [16:10] I beat him over the course of the fight though [16:10] I can pull that single target on a good day. [16:11] I usually hit about 29k on Baleroc heroic over the course of the fight [16:11] fun :) [16:11] but that involves lots of movement etc. [16:11] I'm one piece short of full ruthless too, btw :p [16:11] last time I did Occul'thar on 25 man I hit 33k [16:11] hehe [16:11] only had 1 or 2 bits of heroic gear then [16:12] for my gear, which is mostly FL normal gear, I usually come on top or very close to people in the FL HC gear [16:12] http://www.eegra.com/comics/2008/10/55.png is pretty much my view on the entire thing [16:12] would probably manage 35 or 36k if i went back to assassination [16:12] will look at comics when I'n not at work :P === harry_ is now known as xmntpdhc [16:19] what in god's name is this conversation leading to? :) [16:22] cheesecake. [16:22] i wish [16:25] I have ready salted crisps [16:25] you had to choose food though [16:25] I am starving === darael is now known as Darael [17:00] Would anybody recommend any particular hardware suppliers? Desktops & monitors, trying to get quotes for 1/2 dozen machines with Win 7 32 bit, and most places seem to be charging £100 more per machine for 32 bit instead of 64 bit [17:01] why 32? [17:02] 32 is only useful if you have legacy Win16 apps I think? [17:02] Some of the software we use is quite old & the supplier won't certify it for 64bit yet [17:02] But that software is integral to the business [17:03] does it work under wine? [17:03] gordonjcp: I wish, it barely works under windows :) [17:03] "certified" ugh [17:03] complain to the manufacturer [17:04] tried it on win7 pro with that xp virtual machine? [17:04] The supplier has said it "will" work, but they don't support it as yet [17:05] typical :/ [17:05] But because its used by every member of staff, most of the day, we can't take a chance on it not working or glitching [17:06] any eta on them supporting it? [17:06] if they won't give an ETA, be afraid [17:06] I'm still waiting for them to update it sufficiently for it to be able to integrate with Sage Line 50 2009 [17:06] We're stuck using teh 2008 version of Sage until then [17:07] :/ [17:07] lolsage [17:07] Time to start thinking of migration paths [17:07] /me hates Sage... [17:07] we are still on sage line 50 v5 [17:07] \o/ [17:07] Is that still the dos version [17:08] no [17:08] erm, don't think so [17:08] I not looked at the accounts comp for ages ;) [17:08] "it works" [17:09] oh, my mistake, v7.01 [17:10] DJones: well your other option is to pass on the cost to your software supplier [17:10] "Here you you, you can pay this since your inability to provide updates is now costing us money" [17:11] the sad thing is, gonna cost you more for systems that will need upgrading sooner [17:11] :/ [17:13] DJones, dell don't charge extra [17:15] Hmmh, Acer Veriton offers 64/32 bit at pcworld business for £80 less than we quoted for the cheapest machines [17:16] the windows keys are valid for 32 bit or 64 bit [17:16] so you buy the 64 bit one, then reinstall it [17:17] Thats an option, but its not me installing them, external IT charging £49/hr [17:17] i mean you have to reinstall anyway to get rid of the crapware [17:17] ali1234: restore, because you don't get an installtion CD, just a restore CD [17:17] ever heard of msdn? [17:17] does a retail dvd work with oem keys now? [17:18] no, that requires a bit more poking [17:19] Is digitalrivercontent.net an official windows distribution source (if anybody has ever heard of it) [17:19] Ah yes, official e-commerce partner of MS [17:20] You can download the iso's of Win 7 from their server [17:26] I can get a Dell Optiplex 380 for £299 with Win 7 32bit instead of £425 [17:39] What would cause one of my screens to go black now and then? This screen is on a 2nd PCI gfx card [17:39] Only started happening this afternoon [17:39] :D [17:40] DVI cable just fell out of the back of the monitor [17:40] Sheesh [17:40] super [17:40] :) [17:41] * bigcalm makes use of the screws === darael is now known as Darael === Chaser_ is now known as Chaser [19:07] Hey all [19:09] Quick question - is there some sort of a voodoo ritual I need to perform in order to get Ubuntu One to start syncing folders in the Ubuntu One that wasn't created on the computer (I enabled photo sync for Ubuntu One on Android, which make a Picture - phonename but doesn't show on my computer) [19:18] it does it in the background for me [19:19] automatically... but it isn't terribly fast [19:19] JGJones... always forget to add the name, sry [19:32] sadsun, I'm aware it's not fast....I agree it's not fast but shirely 4 days is pushing it just a tad? [19:33] took a day or 2 to upload 300MB for me... [19:34] its free, so I am not complaining... [19:34] maybe its faster if u buy extra space, JGJones [19:37] sadsun, it's not even near 5MB in my case! :) [19:37] o_O okay, hmm... then there might be something wrong then [19:37] Files that are created in existing folders works - they're transferred. But new folders? Hmm [19:38] can u go to your Ubuntu One Control Panel? [19:38] Can anyone confirm it? Creating a new folder with files in it on a different device (in my case - via Android app) will not sync to a computer that is already using using the Ubuntu One account? [19:39] I cannot, sry JGJones [19:40] sadsun, yup - it'll tell me "File Sync is up-to-date." But just tested on a old laptop - once I created the Ubuntu One logon, it synced the new folder. [19:40] Maybe I'll just delete account and re-login and see if that works [19:41] * sadsun crosses his fingers [20:01] ok that worked. [20:02] * JGJones puts away chicken that was prepared for voodoo ritual. [20:04] JGJones: oh that's what AlanBell keeps chickens for! [20:04] Aye. [20:05] Why do you think Google campus often have herd of goats roaming around? [20:08] and a lot of virgins? [20:20] Evening all! [20:20] \o popeyman [20:22] howzit howzit [20:22] indeed [20:48] greetings [20:48] * Laney has acquired stilton [20:49] achievement unlocked! [20:49] also green & blacks [20:51] o/ [20:51] * daubers may require a manekin [20:51] mmmmm stilton [20:51] i made red thai curry tonight [20:51] it was yum [20:52] it is for putting on me steak [20:52] * MartijnVdS has a parsnip, and no idea what to make with it [20:52] MartijnVdS: Put it on a roasting tray, drizzle with honey, then bake it for 30 minutes or so :) [20:52] daubers: no cleaning, etc.? [20:53] give it a scrub to clean off the muck [20:54] You can skin them if you want, but like carrots, you can eat the skin :) [20:54] ok :) [20:54] * MartijnVdS will try this tomorrow [20:54] Honey roasted parsnips nom nom nom [20:54] I have a bag full of parsnips I intend to make into soup [20:55] just got some o'those for 50p [20:55] roasting away [20:56] I bought the only parsnip in my supermarket.. apparently Dutchies don't eat parsnips anymore [20:56] i may be having quite a few tastes of the stilton [20:56] gotta make sure it's okay … [20:56] MartijnVdS: argh, curse you ;) [20:57] i got all excited there [20:57] dutchie: muhahah :) [20:57] popey: oooh, red thai curry FTW [20:58] * AlanBell had a rather inadequate microwaved thai noodle curry [20:58] I added one of theopensourcerer's chillis to make it more interesting [21:01] * AlanBell just had a nice email from the foreign and commonwealth office [21:01] you're allowed to leave? [21:02] Your commonwealth-wide license to kill has been renewed? [21:02] no, it was along the lines of "do you really want Ubuntu, or will RHEL be OK? I presume you want ssh access and a root account" [21:03] yay for people who know what they are talking about [21:07] AlanBell: "clearly we'd prefer Ubuntu Server for enterprise puroposes, but we can probably settle for RHEL." [21:07] but make sure you use a spell checker. [21:10] * AlanBell always uses an enterprising porpoise [21:14] hi, im looking for somebody from London :) little question. thx [21:15] what is the little question? [21:17] im going to move to London soon. I got job offer from OpenBet. Im wondering know more about this company. [21:23] cih997: I'm willing to bet they are less Open than the name indicates. [21:28] I think I know someone that works there [21:28] he codes TCL all day long :-) [21:28] yep TCL/tk [21:28] i have never used this language [21:28] ;) [21:30] i code PHP all day long currently. However, Laney do you know something more about this corp? Or could you give me mail to this friend? [21:30] he once rolled a massive snowball all the way from his house to work [21:31] Laney: sounds like an awesome friend [21:31] hope it wasnt at summer ;) [22:10] [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu Outcomes from Precise UDS - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4505 [22:42] http://data.whicdn.com/images/17728687/September-02-2011-22-16-10-tumblrlqr7wiehKT1qehl60o1400_large.gif - Can somebody explain this one? [22:42] wait, I think I get it anyway, it's just not my humour [22:42] ujjain ... [22:43] bigcalm ... [22:44] ujjain: ... === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away