[00:36] <Pehnep> Hey everyone, I was wondering if anybody knew how to solve this prolbme I was facing; when I try to boot up my Xubuntu machine it gets stuck at "checking battery state... [ok]" and doesn't come up with the GUI. How could I fix this?
[00:36] <Pehnep> Can't seem to find a working solution elsewhere.
[00:37] <JennyBlueBird> Ok, probably asked a bazillion times, but. Menu editor? Trying to install alacarte wants to pull in half of gnome ...
[00:39] <Pehnep> JennyBlueBird: Do you know what to do when getting stuck after "checking battery state... [ok]" during booting? GUI won't start.
[00:39] <JennyBlueBird> Pehnep, absolutely no clue
[00:40] <Pehnep> Alright, well, I was asking since there don't seem to be a lot of others active currently.
[00:40] <well_laid_lawn> JennyBlueBird: see if this helps - http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu?s[]=edit&s[]=menu
[00:41] <JennyBlueBird> well_laid_lawn, that's what I'm trying to avoid : /
[00:41] <JennyBlueBird> lxmenu seems bugy
[00:42] <JennyBlueBird> as in, it misslabels the entries and wants to change them
[00:42] <well_laid_lawn> nothing about lxmenu there
[00:42] <knome> JennyBlueBird, if you want to avoid manual menu editing, i think alacarte is your best bet
[00:43] <JennyBlueBird> well_laid_lawn, actually there, is , second sentence :P
[00:43] <JennyBlueBird> knome, so just install it with no-recomends or something ?
[00:43] <knome> JennyBlueBird, that should work
[00:43] <well_laid_lawn> it says lxmenu is also available - read three sentences
[00:44] <zacarias> how do you encrypt files or folders in Xubuntu (Iha a suggestion on the Ubuntu forum, but it was for Gnome)
[00:44] <Pehnep> Well_laid_lawn: no astroturfing?
[00:44] <knome> zacarias, if you want to encrypt single files or folders, i'd say look for encfs
[00:44] <well_laid_lawn> only natural here !
[00:45] <Pehnep> Sorry, I'm bored, since my other PC won't boot :P
[00:45] <knome> Pehnep, http://techspear.com/2011/08/booting-ubuntu-oneiric-stops-at-checking-battery-state-ok/ ?
[00:45] <zacarias> knome: what's encfs? A software?
[00:45] <JennyBlueBird> knome, yea, installing it with --no-install-recomends did the trick
[00:45] <knome> zacarias, yes
[00:45] <knome> !info encfs
[00:45] <knome> ubottu, HELLO?
[00:46] <knome> :)
[00:46] <Pehnep> Let me try that straight away, knome!
[00:46] <knome> JennyBlueBird, okay, good :)
[00:46] <zacarias> knome: Tx, I'll try it
[00:47] <JennyBlueBird> it SHOULD probably be enabled by default, but I assume there is some very good reason not to ?
[00:47] <JennyBlueBird> hmm, gonna restart X to see that it didn't trash everything
[00:47] <JennyBlueBird> brb
[00:48] <JennyBlueBird> weee , it worked
[00:48] <knome> JennyBlueBird, alacarte or --no-install-recommends?
[00:48] <JennyBlueBird> well both :)
[00:49] <knome> JennyBlueBird, (re: not enabled by default)
[00:49] <JennyBlueBird> alacarte
[00:49] <JennyBlueBird> or well, both really
[00:49] <JennyBlueBird> if it is not installed by default it probably should not pull in all those gnome packages since that will trash your xubuntu DE , and many will try it to get a menu editor
[00:49] <knome> well, the thing is that --no-install-recommends is not enabled by default because some apps might not work properly, and with that on, if we pulled in alacarte, it would take horribly lot of space
[00:50] <JennyBlueBird> uhm
[00:50] <knome> we try to make the menu as useful as possible, so you wouldn't need to edit it at all
[00:50] <knome> of course you are free to, and then you can just install alacarte
[00:50] <JennyBlueBird> well I meant when you install xubuntu
[00:51] <knome> JennyBlueBird, yes, me too. :)
[00:51] <JennyBlueBird> is it not possible to have it just install alacarte without the recomendations during the first install of the system ?
[00:51] <knome> JennyBlueBird, as i explained, it's not so simple
[00:52] <knome> JennyBlueBird, since --no-install-recommends is not enabled by default, why would we want to do contrary to that with a package in the installation?
[00:53] <JennyBlueBird> because otherwise you're left with the choice of either breaking the DE or leaving the user without a menu editor ?
[00:53] <knome> installing alacarte does not break the DE, even if you installed with all the recommends
[00:53] <JennyBlueBird> and as usual when you try to figure out how to do it you get 10 forum posts suggesting different things 5 out of which don't work and 4 that actually break your system
[00:54] <knome> we are setting up a top 10 faq on our new website once it's published and this is one of the questions.
[00:54] <Pehnep> Many thanks, knome, now I can access my PC properly again!
[00:55] <knome> there are always sources that make you do things that possibly break your system, if you just type all the commands without thinking/knowing what they do
[00:55] <knome> Pehnep, np, enjoy xubuntu
[00:55] <Pehnep> knome: Thanks, I will ;D
[00:56] <JennyBlueBird> well, still, you get what I'm saying. If you're not a xubuntu developer and just want a working menu editor you will probably end up spending a lot of time trying to get it to work
[00:57] <knome> JennyBlueBird, possible. and yeah, i understand. the situation IS suboptimal until xfce has its own menu editor, and there's no ETA for that.
[00:58] <knome> JennyBlueBird, but at least people usually get to install the menu editor.
[00:58] <JennyBlueBird> knome, perhaps one could create an additional package alacarte-xfce which pulls in only what is needed to make it work with xfce ?
[00:59] <knome> JennyBlueBird, more likely the recommends should just be purged to minimun in the current package
[00:59] <knome> *minimum
[01:00] <JennyBlueBird> knome, the repository is separate from the ubuntu one ?
[01:00] <knome> nope
[01:00] <JennyBlueBird> well, then wouldn't that cause issues for the ubuntu users ?
[01:01] <knome> shouldn't. but that should be investigated. sharing the same repositories bring us other problems than this only too, but it also brings some advantages
[01:02] <JennyBlueBird> hmmm
[01:02] <knome> looks like it recommends gnome-panel, which is pulling the rest of the packages in. that is kind of viable recommend, but shouldn't be necessary
[01:02] <JennyBlueBird> alacarte doesn't enable me to add items it seems
[01:03] <knome> JennyBlueBird, you are running 11.10, right?
[01:03] <JennyBlueBird> y
[01:04] <knome> hmmh, that worked for me.
[01:04] <JennyBlueBird> I click "new item" and nothing happens
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> also, I can move items up but not down
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> and the properties dialogue doesn't seem to work either
[01:05] <knome> JennyBlueBird, i wonder if it's because you didn't install the recommends..
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> it did pull in 2 requiremenets
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> gmenu
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> and something like that
[01:05] <knome> yes, but you didn't install the recommends.
[01:05] <JennyBlueBird> gonna run it in a terminal to see if it moans
[01:06] <JennyBlueBird> well the recomends wanted to pull in all of compiz ...
[01:06] <JennyBlueBird> "OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[01:06] <JennyBlueBird> yea it definitely lacks something
[01:07] <knome> i don't think it will pull anything of compiz. but you can of course pastebin the output from apt-get for the list of packages it says it would install
[01:08] <JennyBlueBird> how do I tell it to include recomends when I do -s ?
[01:08] <JennyBlueBird> it says 0 new installed, presumably because it really is installed
[01:08] <knome> you could just remove and reinstall
[01:08] <knome> or install gnome-panel :P
[01:09] <knome> though that would be set to manually installed then
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird> knome, well the following is just the start :
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird> The following extra packages will be installed:
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird>   apg appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt bamfdaemon banshee
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird>   banshee-extension-soundmenu binfmt-support brasero brasero-cdrkit
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird>   brasero-common cli-common compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird> It goes on to list all kinds of gnoem apps
[01:12] <JennyBlueBird> it seems to want to pull in unity as well
[01:12] <knome> hmm...
[01:13] <knome> looks like you are true. then installing alacarte definitely seems to be awkward
[01:14] <Unit193> --no-install-recommends
[01:14] <Unit193> :P
[01:14] <knome> Unit193, but that doesn't work
[01:14] <knome> Unit193, alacarte doesn't open all the dialogs
[01:14] <Unit193> knome: Weird, I tried that and it worked well still :/
[01:15] <JennyBlueBird> knome, it seems that it is the recomends of gnome panel that pulls in the crap
[01:15] <Unit193> I'll have to try it in a VM again
[01:15] <JennyBlueBird> so maybe --no-install recomends alacarte gnome-panel will work
[01:15] <knome> JennyBlueBird, maybe
[01:16] <JennyBlueBird> seems better
[01:16] <knome> okay
[01:16] <JennyBlueBird> it still pulls in evolution data server and things
[01:16] <knome> mmh :|
[01:16] <JennyBlueBird> gonna have to check if it works
[01:17] <JennyBlueBird> but it is only like 25 meg alltogether now
[01:17] <JennyBlueBird> can live with that
[01:17] <knome> i've forwarded this... trying to fix it for 12.04
[01:18] <JennyBlueBird> well I can add new items now
[01:18] <JennyBlueBird> still can't move existing ones down however :P
[01:18] <JennyBlueBird> only up :S
[01:21] <JennyBlueBird> knome, yea, the rest seems to work , can create new elements and sub-menus
[01:21] <JennyBlueBird> but it seems a bit slow
[01:22] <JennyBlueBird> also, that delete button kinda needs a confirmation dialogue :S
[01:22] <JennyBlueBird> but that is upstream's job I guess
[01:23] <JennyBlueBird> can't create a new separator either
[01:23] <JennyBlueBird> oh well, it "kinda works"
[01:27] <JennyBlueBird> knome, I'm getting the feeling that the whole menu system is a tad overengineered
[01:27] <GridCube> what i do is to create a new panel and add launchers boxes on them :P
[01:27] <knome> the menu system is not. that's just xml files...
[01:28] <JennyBlueBird> I meant more that it appears that there's a billion little places to put those files
[01:29] <JennyBlueBird> and there are too many options in the entries
[01:30] <knome> JennyBlueBird, if you want something not that complex, add a launcher menu
[01:31] <JennyBlueBird> knome, ah yea, that works
[01:32] <JennyBlueBird> but I take it new apps are not added to that by default ...
[01:32]  * JennyBlueBird is hard to please
[01:32] <knome> nope.
[01:32] <knome> that's why the menu specification is no simple
[01:32] <JennyBlueBird> I guess xfce just needs its own menu editor
[01:32] <JennyBlueBird> work in progress ?
[01:32] <knome> it's planned, but i don't know if there is any actual progress
[01:33] <JennyBlueBird> urk... the menu entry format seems more complicated than iptables
[02:33] <tom0001> test
[03:16] <kirua> hi
[04:19] <high-rez> Is there some sort of secret to software raid and xubuntu?
[04:20] <high-rez> Specifically, a software raid root and boot.  Is it required to use the alternate cd ?
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> !raid
[07:39] <mihu> Hi. I made a stock installation of Xubuntu 11.10 on my notebook and I'm new to Xfce. When I suspend/resume my notebook, I receive these notifcations about network being available/not available, which is fine. I accidently clicked on "Don't show this notification again" for the "network now available" notification, though, but I'd like to have it back. But how?
[07:57] <baizon> mihu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11429527
[08:40] <mihu> baizon: Thanks, that helped.
[09:12] <attio> 'Ello. I'm having problems using a External Hard Drive within Xubuntu, and I was wondering if someone here could help.
[09:13] <baizon> whats the problem?
[09:13] <mihu> baizon: Thanks for the hint, that helped.
[09:13] <baizon> mihu: np
[09:15] <attio> I can open and view the files in my '487G Volume' (As it appears on my desktop) perfectly fine.
[09:15] <attio> But I cannot remove any of the files within it, it says 'Permission denied' or something similar. I am the only account on this machine and network.
[09:15] <attio> And I was wondering why it was doing that, and how I could fix it, as I'm not... A genius with computing.
[09:15] <baizon> attio: what filesystem is on that hard drive?
[09:16] <baizon> have you tried it with "sudo"?
[09:16] <attio> I don't know. D:
[09:17] <attio> Probably not...
[09:18] <baizon> df -T
[09:18] <baizon> to get the info about file system
[09:24] <blackout> hi guys someone a clue what this can be? 8gb sdhc shows icon not mountable via icon if I open in manager windows closes no problem getting access through terminal
[09:59] <baizon> so problem solved
[09:59] <baizon> next plz :P
[10:12] <ng0mes> hello , i cant seen to find rhythmbox-client binary in instalation , already installed rhythmbox package, that looks like the package than contains it
[10:13] <baizon> ng0mes: try alt+f2 then rhythmbox
[10:13] <baizon> if it works
[10:13] <baizon> download a menu editor :-)
[10:13] <baizon> and edit it
[10:14] <ng0mes> baizon: my problem is that i want to add shortcuts , and as far as i know its only possible with rhythmbox-client
[10:14] <go8765> Hello. How I can start manage mouse moving by keyboard in xfce?
[10:15] <go8765> *or use mouse by keyboard
[10:16] <baizon> ng0mes: yes
[10:17] <baizon> ng0mes: but what is the problem?
[10:18] <ng0mes> i want the play pause from my multimedia keyboard available
[10:18] <ng0mes> baizon: ^
[10:18] <baizon> yes
[10:18] <ng0mes> yes  what ?
[10:18] <baizon> ng0mes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1005248
[10:19] <baizon> you mean something like that?
[10:19] <ng0mes> ok thanks , let me check
[10:20] <baizon> ng0mes: and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XfceMultimediaKeys
[10:20] <go8765> Can anybody help me please with keyboard-managing-mouse ?
[10:21] <baizon> go8765: you want to move your mouse with your keyboard?
[10:21] <go8765> baizon, yes
[10:22] <go8765> baizon, in gnome - its work, but in xface I cant find where lanch it...
[10:22] <go8765> *xfce
[10:22] <ng0mes> baizon: i want rhythmbox-client
[10:23] <ng0mes> its always available in other distros
[10:23] <baizon> go8765: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324996
[10:23] <ng0mes> its just a cli binary that cames with the package
[10:23] <baizon> ng0mes: ah ok
[10:24] <ng0mes> baizon: the thing is ... i cant find it in xubuntu , had it in  slackware and debian
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> apps aren't always built with all options and some things get dropped by the application developers
[10:24] <baizon> ng0mes: then you have to use "own scripts"
[10:24] <ng0mes> :S
[10:25] <ng0mes> rhythmbox-client is usefull
[10:26] <go8765> baizon, thank you for answer :)
[10:26] <baizon> go8765: np
[10:28] <baizon> ng0mes: have you tried the settings manager -> application shortcuts?
[10:28] <baizon> add there rhythmbox-client commands
[10:32] <baizon> ok guys have to go :)
[10:32] <baizon> cu
[10:52] <ng0mes> no good with rhythmbox-client ... why the hell does it exist a man and the binary isnt there ?
[10:55] <ng0mes> please help
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> ng0mes: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+question/171102
[11:02] <ng0mes> well_laid_lawn: thanks , looks like its gonna return , i have to wait then
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[11:40] <marcus> Hello
[11:40] <knome> hey
[11:40] <marcus> someone in here ?
[11:40] <marcus> hey
[11:41] <marcus> I got a question about configuration of an xfce panel
[11:41] <marcus> can you help me ?
[11:41] <knome> !ask
[11:42] <marcus> okay than lets start ^^
[11:42] <marcus> I want to change the background color of the workspace switcher in panel1.
[11:43] <knome> you need to edit the GTK theme then, and it will change all the workspace switcher backgrounds
[11:44] <marcus> but it shall not change the panel color etc only the background color of this workspace switch application
[11:45] <knome> yes. but you still need to edit the GTK theme
[11:46] <marcus> in xubuntu 11.10 die panelcolor is different from the windows color although greybird is selected.
[11:46] <knome> true, that's intentional
[11:47] <marcus> okay
[11:47] <marcus> can you tell me the path to the gtk theme ?
[11:47] <knome> /usr/share/themes/greybird
[11:47] <knome> i suggest taking a backup though
[11:47] <marcus> maybe thats a good idea
[11:47] <knome> you can copy it to /home/yourusername/.themes/greybird
[11:47] <knome> and edit that
[11:48] <knome> and it will override the theme in /usr
[11:48] <knome> but it will only work for your user
[11:48] <knome> but that's hardly a problem usually
[11:48] <marcus> and if I delete it then it should fallback ?
[11:48] <knome> yes, then it uses the thenme from /usr
[11:48] <knome> if you want, you can rename the folder
[11:48] <marcus> thanks
[11:48] <knome> and you can switch between both at all times
[11:48] <marcus> I will try it
[11:51] <marcus> to copy I need to type : sudo cp  -r /usr/share/themes/greybird /home/user/.themes/greybird right ?
[11:51] <knome> shouldn't need sudo to copy, but yes
[11:51] <marcus> and -r for recursive ?
[11:51] <knome> yes
[11:52] <marcus> thy
[11:52] <marcus> thx
[11:59] <marcus> so I copied the theme to my home folder and now I opened it with gedit. What lines do I need to change ? Do you know ?
[12:00] <knome> i suppose i should, but i can't remember :)
[12:00] <knome> ochosi, ^
[12:01] <marcus> then you could open it by yourself without changing and maybe you remember :-)
[12:02] <knome> sorry, i just wont
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> search in the theme file for panel - gedit has a search function
[12:02] <knome> it's been ages since i touched a gtkrc file
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> not all gtk themes have a panel section
[12:02] <marcus> okay
[12:03] <marcus>  I give it a try
[12:05] <marcus> gnarf its to me like trying to read hieroglyphs :-)
[12:05] <marcus> okay here is one
[12:05] <marcus> gtk_color_scheme	= "panel_bg:#686868" # Panel bg color
[12:06] <marcus> but I suppose thats for the complete panel
[12:07] <well_laid_lawn> 686868 is about a medium dark grey what colour is the panel?
[12:07] <well_laid_lawn> and the desktop changer
[12:09] <marcus> like this
[12:09] <marcus> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Xubuntu-Oneiric-Ocelot-Screenshot-69881.html
[12:10] <well_laid_lawn> there's three clours involved there
[12:11] <well_laid_lawn> panel, focused workspace and the other workspace
[12:11] <well_laid_lawn> so might be bg, fg and base
[12:12] <marcus> I just want to change the colour of the unfocused workspace to be more bright
[12:12] <marcus> so I can see better what workspace I have switched to
[12:13] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno offhand which that'll be - try adding a value for base
[12:13] <marcus> by the way, what means bg and fg ?
[12:13] <knome> back- and foreground
[12:14] <marcus> ah okay
[12:14] <marcus> in the gtkrc-file there is this section : base[NORMAL]      = @base_color
[12:14] <marcus> 	base[PRELIGHT]    = shade (0.95, @bg_color)
[12:14] <marcus> 	base[ACTIVE]      = shade (0.92, @selected_bg_color)
[12:14] <marcus> 	base[SELECTED]    = shade (0.93, @selected_bg_color)
[12:14] <marcus> 	base[INSENSITIVE] = @bg_color
[12:14] <marcus> what do you think I should change to ?
[12:15] <well_laid_lawn> so if the panel section doesn't mention one of those options those values would be used as a default
[12:16] <marcus> I guess I should change the value of base[PRELIGHT] , what do you think ?
[12:17] <marcus> but what means "shade" ? Is this a colour ?
[12:18] <well_laid_lawn> shade means don't use the full colour but only the values percent of it
[12:19] <well_laid_lawn> e.g. shade 0.95 is a bit darker
[12:19] <well_laid_lawn> shade 1.1 is a bit lighter
[12:19] <knome> afaik prelight is something that is shown on hovering the area
[12:19] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[12:20] <marcus> it makes sence, now that you mentioned it
[12:21] <marcus> but which of the 4 is to be changed ? active or selected are not those I could imagine  to need to change
[12:22] <well_laid_lawn> you'll have to have a play with them all to find out - it's easy enough to restart the panel to check
[12:23] <marcus> In ubuntu it was killall gnome-panel
[12:23] <marcus> which command is it in xubuntu ?
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> try   killall xfce4-panel && xfce4-panel &
[12:24] <well_laid_lawn> I think it has a restart option
[12:24] <well_laid_lawn> not on a xfce box atm
[12:29] <go8765> Hello. How I can start manage mouse moving by keyboard in xfce?
[12:32] <marcus> its xfce4-panel -r to restart
[12:33] <well_laid_lawn> there you go
[12:34] <go8765>  Can anybody help me please with keyboard-managing-mouse ?
[12:35] <well_laid_lawn> go8765: maybe ask in #xfce if no one here knows
[12:35] <ochosi> marcus: what exactly do you want to change?
[12:36] <go8765> well_laid_lawn, thanks, I try
[12:36] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[12:36] <knome> ochosi, workspace swithcer inactive workspace BG
[12:36] <ochosi> oh right
[12:37] <ochosi> i think there's even a thread about that in the xubuntu-dev ml
[12:37] <ion_> how do I fix broken package I tried already apt-get install -f but didn't work...
[12:37] <ochosi> you can't change it independently
[12:39] <knome> ion_, what do you mean by "broken package" ?
[12:40] <marcus> so I guess all the work was useless if I cant change it independently
[12:40] <ion_> knome: apt-get install doesn't work.
[12:40] <knome> ion_, and the error message is? (pastebin if it's multiline)
[12:42] <ion_> knome: I found a forum now let me read it before I bother you guys I might solve it on my own...
[12:43] <marcus> lol ^^
[12:44] <marcus> maybe he should have found this forum before he asked for help ^^
[14:44] <goliat> Hello i have a broken list in my menu in the office list since i remove gnumeric, how can i remove it? I cant find any customization option for the menu.
[14:45] <goliat> Sorry i mean broken icon.
[14:45] <popsch> how can I switch in xubuntu from the speakers to the usb headset? in Ubuntu, I can do this with the sound applet by selecting a different output channel. Xubuntu's sound applet looks differently.
[14:54] <TheSheep> popsch: you need to install padevchooser
[14:55] <popsch> TheSheep, does xubuntu use pulse or alsa? Are they mutually exclusive?
[14:57] <popsch> TheSheep, padevchooser isn't available for oneiric yet in the ppa
[14:59] <goliat> Hello. I removed gnumeric but in my menu i still have the icon left. When i click it i get a "failed to execute command". How can i remove the icon since i dont have any use for it?
[15:00] <TheSheep> popsch: xubuntu uses alsa with pulseaudio on top of it
[15:01] <TheSheep> goliat: do you have a gnumeric.desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications ?
[15:01] <TheSheep> popsch: try pavucontrol then
[15:02] <goliat> TheSheep: in /applications i only have mimeapps.list
[15:07] <goliat> TheSheep: Is there some way i can edit the menus there? Ive looked but i havnt found any settings for that
[15:16] <popsch> TheSheep, pavucontrol works well. thanks a lot
[15:20] <jmcantrell> i switched all my computers over to xubuntu over the weekend. it's very refreshing getting out the unity mess
[15:21] <holstein> jmcantrell: i remember you... im still getting used to XFCE, but im finding it different, and quite useable
[15:21] <holstein> ive worked out any dealbreakers, and im happy to be settling in :)
[15:22] <jmcantrell> holstein: yeah, i remember you too, and i agree. the problems that i experienced initially were mainly just unfamiliarity
[15:23] <jmcantrell> one thing i find slightly unsettling is that there are a number of gnome components. what are your (or anyone's) thoughts on this?
[15:23] <holstein> unsettling?
[15:23] <primary> I made btrfs my roof filesystem. Things did not explode. However when booting I had an error "Sparse files not allowed"(some other stuff, vague) "Press any key to continue." Things booted normally then. Wonder what that was.
[15:24] <holstein> i mean, everything works... whatever is pulled in is not pulling in much from gnome
[15:24] <holstein> doesnt feel heavy
[15:24] <holstein> im not looking for XFCE to be light though
[15:24] <primary> Also, with the LightDM, it has an 'Xubuntu session' and an "Xfce session', what is the difference?
[15:24] <holstein> im looking for a desktop like experience similar to what i am confortable with from using gnome2
[15:24] <jmcantrell> holstein: it just seems odd that there are components that are from gnome. i thought it was supposed to be separate from gnome
[15:25] <holstein> if i want barebones light, i will use LXDE
[15:25] <knome> primary, xubuntu sesion is all the xubuntu default settings loaded, xfce is just bare bare xfce, i suggest using xubuntu.
[15:25] <primary> I thought as much, thanks.
[15:25] <holstein> jmcantrell: it is seperate, but if something works, and works well... why reinvent the wheel
[15:26] <jmcantrell> holstein: that's a good point
[15:26] <holstein> also, it could be that some of what we are considering 'gnome apps' are just apps that both use
[15:27] <jmcantrell> holstein: i'm thinking specifically about the gnome keyring
[15:27] <knome> not all xfce apps are used in xubuntu, since we also try to be easy-to-use
[15:28] <holstein> yeah, thats true as well... xubuntu might customize for ease of use, more so than the typically XFCE experience
[15:28] <jmcantrell> knome: what kind of apps?
[15:28] <holstein> typical*
[15:29] <knome> jmcantrell, small "goodies" and some of the "xfce apps" might also not get included, if we think there is a better one
[15:29] <knome> jmcantrell, for example, gthumb is the default image viewer for oneiric, since ristretto is mostly broken
[15:29] <knome> jmcantrell, it is by no means given that any "xfce app" will be included
[15:30] <jmcantrell> knome: what's wrong with restretto?
[15:30] <jmcantrell> *ristretto
[15:30] <knome> also the "xfce apps" might not have anything to do with the core DE, so that's a bit misleading anyway
[15:30] <knome> jmcantrell, if you try to use it with thumbnailbar, it freezes/crashes
[15:31] <jmcantrell> gotcha
[15:31] <knome> jmcantrell, also, for example xfburn was only recently set as default, because we didn't think it was good enough for a default burning app before
[15:31] <jmcantrell> knome: what was the default before? brasero?
[15:32] <knome> yep
[15:32] <knome> not that it couldn't still be the default, if we just chose so :)
[15:33] <knome> jmcantrell, if you're interested in the development process, join our mailing list and/or the development irc channel, #xubuntu-devel
[15:33] <jmcantrell> knome: oh, maybe you can help me with this. the "web browser" launcher doesn't show chromium as an option, and any attempt to make chromium the default browser, it doesn't seem to recognize it
[15:34] <jmcantrell> i can enter chromium as a custom option, but then chromium doesn't think it's the default
[15:34] <knome> jmcantrell, hmh. did you look at "preferred applications" in setting manager?
[15:35] <holstein> personally, i found i had to enable gnome services to get a web browser choice to stick
[15:35] <jmcantrell> knome: yeah, it behaves the same way
[15:35] <holstein> this is my first time living in xfce/xubuntu though, so im still suspicious that its probably something i need to learn
[15:36] <knome> jmcantrell, even if you selected the "debian sensible browser" ?
[15:36] <knome> jmcantrell, that should make chromium the default if you have that and FF.
[15:36] <knome> jmcantrell, also, check that the launcher is pointed to the command 'x-www-browser', not 'firefox'
[15:36] <holstein> knome: that could be my issue right there
[15:36] <jmcantrell> knome: yeah, i tried that. then chromium doesn't recognize itself as the default
[15:37] <knome> actually, x-www-browser always opens chromium :P
[15:37] <jmcantrell> knome: yeah, i changed the alternative to chromium
[15:37] <knome> i'm not too familiar with this, because i'm personally happy with ff
[15:38] <jmcantrell> knome: well, i'm real happy for you :P
[15:38] <jmcantrell> hehe
[15:38] <holstein> ff got fast again... i got so comfortable with chromium though there when ff was just awful
[15:39] <jmcantrell> holstein: yeah, ditto
[15:41] <go8765> Hello. How I can start manage mouse moving by keyboard in xfce?
[15:43] <jmcantrell> knome: where should i report this bug?
[15:44] <knome> jmcantrell, launchpad, but i'm not sure against which package.
[15:44] <baizon> jmcantrell: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/report-problem
[15:44] <jmcantrell> knome: my first thought is one of the exo packages, but i'm not sure
[15:44] <holstein> go8765: http://gizmod.sourceforge.net/ looks interesting
[15:45] <knome> jmcantrell, maybe you could search LP first if there is a similar bug
[15:45] <knome> jmcantrell, and just chime in if there is
[15:45] <jmcantrell> knome: i'll check
[15:45] <knome> jmcantrell, also, feel free to paste me the bug url, whether you found one or filed a new one
[15:46] <jmcantrell> knome: ok
[15:47] <go8765> holstein, thanks for answer, I try it now :)
[16:34] <baizon> shit
[16:35] <babble> baizon: what's wrong?
[16:35] <baizon> nothing nothing
[16:35] <babble> hehe
[16:35] <baizon> everything is ok :-)
[16:35] <babble> okies.
[17:55] <jarnos> I can
[17:56] <jarnos> 't create a swap partition in 11.04. mkswap fails telling /dev/sda17: No such file or directory
[17:57] <jarnos> still fdisk tells it is a 82  Linux swap / Solaris partition. Gparted fails to create the swap; it uses mkswap.
[18:32] <kasztan85> hi
[18:33] <kasztan85> anybody knows
[18:33] <kasztan85> how i can
[18:33] <kasztan85> delete a session
[18:33] <kasztan85> ?
[18:33] <kasztan85> in xubuntu
[18:33] <kasztan85> xfce
[18:33] <kasztan85> ?
[18:34] <holstein> kasztan85: you mean what is saving between logins?
[18:34] <kasztan85> ya
[18:34] <holstein> maybe you have that check box checked on logout... "remember session" something like that
[18:34] <kasztan85> ok
[18:34] <holstein> try that first since its easy
[18:34] <kasztan85> when i login
[18:35] <holstein> when you logout, the option is there
[18:35] <kasztan85> i must choose one from 3 other
[18:35] <holstein> yeah... depends on whatever else you have installed
[19:02] <w30> my desktop icons launchers keep playing musical chairs, how can I glue them down?
[19:09] <primary> elmer's glue
[20:17] <go8765> Hello. Can anybody help me please to  start manage mouse moving by keyboard in xfce?
[20:19] <baizon> go8765: didnt it solved it?
[20:19] <baizon> a couple of hours ago? :P
[20:21] <shanttu> greetings. i'm running xubuntu natty on my old pc and like it. is there a way to disable login screen? all settings i've found should be on automatic
[20:22] <go8765> baizon, I found solution in xfce-settings-manager but it didnt work.  and gnome-settings-daemon runinig when I try another solution, but I want use keyboard managing without gnome-settings-manager :(
[20:27] <go8765> shanttu, I use gdm and for me work gdmsetup . If you replace xdm to gdm may be you cam manage your autologin
[20:27] <Sysi> by default it's lightdm
[20:28] <shanttu> go8765, thanks for the tip. i'll give it a try
[20:28] <Sysi> shanttu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-with-lightdm
[20:28] <Sysi> second ansver
[20:28] <Sysi> though you want xubuntu-session
[20:29] <shanttu> Sysi, kiitos
[20:29] <go8765> Sysi, can you help me please with keyboard-mouse managing in xfce?
[20:30] <Sysi> go8765: I've only tried that kind of thing with KDE and it was pretty bad
[20:32] <go8765> Sysi, :) ok.
[21:14] <go8765> where I can found  xfce4-autostart-editor ?
[21:14] <baizon> go8765: settings manager
[21:14] <baizon> there sessions and startup
[21:15] <go8765> baizon, I cant find it here... Can I rut it on console?
[21:15] <go8765> *run with command I mean
[21:17] <baizon> go8765: http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/x/xfce4-session/7947_large.png
[21:18] <stampo> hi
[21:18] <baizon> hello
[21:18] <stampo> baizon> do you think xubuntu is as goos as ubuntu ?
[21:19] <baizon> stampo: why?
[21:21] <Sysi> goos=good? It's better :)
[21:21] <kirua> yes lol
[21:22] <baizon> for me yes
[21:23] <baizon> i tried all de
[21:23] <baizon> and xfce was fine for me
[21:23] <baizon> ok not all de
[21:23] <baizon> i havent tryd E17
[21:25] <go8765> baizon, thks, I install it now yet :)
[21:25] <baizon> np
[21:25] <baizon> :)
[21:26] <go8765> baizon, any ideas how to manage mouse with keyboard in xfce ?
[21:26] <baizon> not really :)
[21:26] <go8765> ok :)
[21:26] <baizon> havent tried it
[21:27] <go8765> baizon, I founs in settings manager this option but it didnt work .
[21:28] <Sysi> go8765: have you tried asking at #xfce?
[21:28] <go8765> Sysi, yes. there I found this option in settings manager
[21:29] <go8765> *but it didnt work for me ...
[21:35] <Sysi> go8765: where is it there?
[21:35] <go8765> Sysi, :) in #xfce
[21:38] <Sysi> go8765: it's supposed to work with numpad? I'm on laptop
[21:40] <go8765> sorry.. english, not my native... I cant understand what you mean. can you explain? you asked - if I want to use NumLock to move mouse cursor?
[21:42] <Sysi> I just guess that is ment to work for moving mouse pointer with numpad's arrows
[21:54] <go8765> Sysi, sorry... but I dont understand you again. You want to say - that you think that it will work if I use numlock buttons?
[21:54] <Sysi> I donät get what you mean with "numlock buttons", the thing with numbers on the right side of standard keyboard
[21:55] <Sysi> *don't
[22:00] <go8765> Sysi, Its really hard for me to translate what you wrote :( do you know how to start use mouse by keyboard ?
[22:53] <zus> i have a .py script i created, now  when i "./browser.py" in my terminal nothing opens....its on my desktop and i used the open terminal  here from menu... any suggestions?
[22:54] <zus> ??? wait i think i figured my mistake
[22:54] <go8765> zus, you make it executable?
[22:55] <zus> yea, i made my  working copy executable, but the working copy isnt IN my  /usr/bin ....
[22:58] <go8765> zus, may be : python  ~/way to your file/browser.py ?
[22:58] <zzillezz> could anyone help me please? i just installed xubuntu 11.10 on my desktop, install went fine, rebooted ... and am now stuck at 'checking battery state'
[23:01] <zus> hmm not working either in my /usr/bin
[23:03] <go8765> zus, may be better to ask on #python ?
[23:04] <zus> well only different variable is xubuntu. its worked in mint, ubuntu, bodhi..
[23:05] <go8765> sorry... I dont know
[23:06] <zus> ill ask there just in case.
[23:06] <zus> brb
[23:26] <zus> well the python room was no use. "cannot send to channel"
[23:35] <Saij> should my GRUB entry for regular linux boot have an insmod for ext2 when im using ext4?