[00:02] <shysoft> I have kubuntu installed on a virtual machine and after upgrading to 11.10, the machine won't boot. It gets to the 'Kubuntu' splash screen and just stays there.
[00:13] <Daskreech> shysoft: press esc when it's loading or edit the grub line to say nosplash
[00:13] <Daskreech> You can see what it's hanging on then
[00:23] <Daskreech> thormchristensen: what's the kernel versions in each?
[00:25] <Daskreech> I'm liable to guess the version of the kernel in fedora is newer
[00:47] <shysoft> Daskreech: how do you edit the grub line to say nosplash? I attempted to edit /etc/default/grub but I was told that it was a read only file system.
[00:48] <Resistance> shysoft:  if the system is mounted as read only i dont think you can except at the grub screen :/
[00:49] <shysoft> How do you navigate to the grub screen?
[00:49]  * szal guesses that someone forgot to edit w/ privileges
[00:50] <shysoft> Okay, so i looks like it's hanging at 'Checking battery state..." . . .
[00:50] <Daskreech> shysoft: no you can do it when the computer is booting. There is a point when it says press any button to get menu before the splash screen
[00:50] <Daskreech> press the button and yuo will get a list of kernels. edit the one at the top and look for the word splash and remove it
[00:51] <Daskreech> Then press ctrl+X to continue booting (this is a temporary one time change) you shoudln't get a splash screen but instead a detailed listing of what's happening
[00:52] <shysoft> Okay, so I'm looking at the detailed listing and it appears as if it hangs on 'Checking battery state..." Does this mean anything?
[00:52] <carlo> salve
[00:53] <carlo> !list
[01:00] <Daskreech> shysoft: Is it a laptop?
[01:01] <shysoft> No. It's a virtual machine.
[01:02] <Guest17910> Guest17910
[01:02] <Daskreech> shysoft: ah has it ever booted?
[01:02] <Daskreech> If not might want to start without acpi
[01:04] <shysoft> It booted until I upgraded to 11.10.
[01:05] <Daskreech> aok well try booting with noscpi
[01:05] <Daskreech> noacpi
[01:06] <Daskreech> edit the grub command as before and add noapic to it
[01:15] <carlo> salve
[01:16] <carlo> !list
[01:17] <Daskreech> !it
[01:17] <Daskreech>  :)
[01:17] <Daskreech>  if it helps
[01:17] <Daskreech> How are you carlo?
[01:18]  * szal notes that it's almost always Italians who try to !list here
[01:19] <JoeSomebody> i gather kubuntu users are less than the number of ubuntu users, seems weird, cause i prefer kde4 over linux, windows and mac GUIs, to each his own i guess huh?
[01:20] <JoeSomebody> a few bugs perhaps , but still i prefer it :)
[01:20] <JoeSomebody> nice job whoever on kubuntu
[01:24] <Daskreech> JoeSomebody: I'll note that there are less Linux users than IOS users though Linux is way better (with more apps!)
[01:25] <Daskreech> Don't try puzzle certain things. Just use what works out well for you :)
[01:33] <JoeSomebody> me first, then friends, i hope to be able to support small stuff, my friend calls me and wants me to fix his facebook, again, he's virused again, i said man it's time to look at linux for sheer safety as you get hit every week lately :)
[01:34] <JoeSomebody> probably gonna spend the 88 pounds for some support too
[01:35] <JoeSomebody> its not a lot
[01:40] <Daskreech> :-)
[01:41] <Daskreech> Sure I'd take 88 pounds to support Linux :)
[01:44] <JoeSomebody> i don't really know if i'll need it , but i'm looking at it like an insurance
[01:44] <Daskreech> Fair enough
[02:02] <jamil_1> someone asked for me ?
[02:12] <ScottyK> I've got Kubuntu 11.10 on my netbook and love it. I also have a notebook, and would like to see what the netbook version looks like on it. Is it a major hassle to switch over? Would I be able to switch back to the "normal" desktop version? Thanks
[02:26] <guest123> Kopete can't connect to MSN messenger anymore for me. Does anyone have any idea why?
[02:26] <szal> !msn
[02:27] <szal> dang, I thought we had one for that..
[02:27] <hays> Any firefox users here with dual displays?
[02:27] <hays> I seem to be suffering from a weird bug
[02:27] <szal> anyhoo, the n-th protocol change; a workaround exists afaik
[02:28] <guest123> So basically another MSNP protocol change?
[02:29] <guest123> Do you know where that workaround is by any chance? Any information sources about the problem and/or fix would be awesome if you know where they are. Thanks. :)
[02:29] <guest123> I figured it must've been something like that.
[02:29] <Daskreech> guest123: MIght be an MSN change
[02:29] <Daskreech> check in the #pidgin channel
[02:30] <guest123> Whatever it is is affecting Meebo as well.
[02:30] <Daskreech> Might be just another server name change
[02:30] <szal> Daskreech: what's #pidgin got to do w/ Kopete?
[02:30] <Daskreech> szal: the connection between them?
[02:31] <Daskreech> You can use kopete to talk to people using pidgin
[02:33] <qbit> I don not use msn so I don't know for sure, but I thought there was an update in the last day or two to a lib, I think libmsn that was supposed to fix this
[02:33] <qbit> not sure, though, just I think I just saw libmsn, or something like that in the list of updates I just did a few hours ago
[02:34] <qbit> and since I don't use msn I can't be sure
[02:34] <Daskreech> libmsn might be a good thing to check
[02:53] <guest123> I found the fix for MSN.
[02:53] <guest123> For anyone else who wants to know.
[02:54] <guest123> (Whoever was speaking to me earlier, thanks for the hint)
[02:54] <guest123> libmsn 4.1 exhibits the problem, while libmsn4.2 has the fix.
[02:54] <guest123> In oniric they have 4.1, but precise has the 4.2 package.
[02:54] <guest123> So just get the 4.2 package off of packages.ubuntu.com and install it.
[02:55] <guest123> It now works wonderfully for me. :)
[02:55] <guest123> Direct link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libmsn0.3
[03:49] <phunyguy> fantastic. I think a bad network cable was the source of my browsing trouble.  I replaced them all, seems to be flawless now.
[03:52] <phunyguy> now I have one final issue.  How can I restore my profile back to default completely?
[03:52] <phunyguy> kill the folder?
[03:55] <phunyguy> brb
[04:03] <phunyguy> nevermind. :(  Internet fail.
[04:23] <Daskreech> Good call qbit
[04:24] <phunyguy> f-f-f-f-f-fail.
[04:24] <phunyguy> internet is still broken.
[04:24] <phunyguy> so far I have replaced everything network related hardware-wise
[04:24] <phunyguy> reinstalled Kubuntu and copied my home folder
[04:24] <phunyguy> deleted my home folder thinking it was something in that - let it rebuild
[04:25] <phunyguy> SAME THING.
[04:25] <phunyguy> I am NOW convinced it is Kubuntu related.
[04:25] <phunyguy> none of my other PCs have this issue
[04:25] <Daskreech> What's the problem?
[04:25] <phunyguy> browsing keels over here and there
[04:26] <phunyguy> sites time out, aptitude wont run when looking for external content, etc
[04:26] <phunyguy> works good for 5 minutes, then bombs out for a minute or so, over and over, like clockwork
[04:26] <phunyguy> odd part is, ktorrent has solid activity during that (if it did already, if not, it still happens )
[04:27] <phunyguy> seems to be purely http related
[04:27] <phunyguy> http/s
[04:28] <Daskreech> Does it bomb out with an error?
[04:28] <Daskreech> Sounds a lot like a DNS error
[04:29] <phunyguy> yes it sounds like DNS
[04:29] <phunyguy> socket timeouts
[04:29] <phunyguy> is the error in rekonq
[04:29] <Daskreech> socket errors ?
[04:29] <Daskreech> Hmm
[04:29] <phunyguy> have 3 other PCs on my network, 2 kubuntu, and one ubuntu (all 11.10), no issues
[04:30] <Daskreech> I don't know i have a really funky router here that does crap like that
[04:30] <Daskreech> The router itself will disappear from the network
[04:30] <phunyguy> lmao
[04:30] <Daskreech> And will cause DNS errors but only to some machines
[04:30] <phunyguy> model?
[04:30] <Daskreech> Others will be fine
[04:31] <phunyguy> soudns exactly like my issue
[04:31] <phunyguy> sounds*
[04:31] <Daskreech> Some rubbish the ISP ismaking us use so they can control the DNS and inject ads into the search pages
[04:31] <phunyguy> ack!
[04:31] <Daskreech>  But the main difference is it randomly chooses a machine
[04:31] <phunyguy> I have a linux box with Astaro Security on it
[04:32] <Daskreech>  if you only have it on one machine i'm more likely to think that it's a websocket issue with kubuntu
[04:32] <phunyguy> turnkey-firewall distribution
[04:32] <Daskreech> DOes the Ubuntu machine have the same kernel?
[04:32] <phunyguy> no actually
[04:32] <phunyguy> others are 32 bit
[04:32] <phunyguy> I need my RAM on this PC though
[04:32] <phunyguy> so 64 bit it is
[04:33] <phunyguy> well two are 32 bit, the other is 64 bit, but only proxies web traffic from home
[04:33] <Daskreech> phunyguy: ok have you tried firefox?
[04:33] <phunyguy> its at work
[04:33] <phunyguy> yes, happens there too
[04:33] <phunyguy> as well as chrome
[04:34] <Daskreech> ok so it's not a Qt issue
[04:34] <phunyguy> and konsole (aptitude)
[04:34] <phunyguy> kernel seems logical
[04:34] <Daskreech> yeah the next layer is kernel
[04:34] <phunyguy> not sure how to  prove it though
[04:34] <Daskreech> either jump back one version or forward one version
[04:34] <phunyguy> :-/
[04:34] <phunyguy> forward seems more logical to me
[04:34] <phunyguy> any idea how? lol
[04:34] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Either way works ;)
[04:35] <Daskreech> if you have have updated the computer you should have old kernels sitting around so you can just choose an older one when you start up
[04:35] <phunyguy> rather try a new one
[04:35] <phunyguy> have other issues too
[04:35] <phunyguy> (smb)
[04:35] <phunyguy> slooowwwww
[04:35] <Daskreech> if you only have the one then you can either check for a newer one or jump to #ubuntu-server and see if they have a newer one testing
[04:36] <phunyguy> and if you notice, our chat is fine, no timeouts :)
[04:36] <phunyguy> alright I will try an older one
[04:36] <phunyguy> brb!
[04:37] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Yeah cause you already have the connection
[04:38] <phunyguy_> lol came back too fast
[04:39] <phunyguy_> silly SSD
[04:39] <phunyguy_> but yeah no older menu options
[04:39] <phunyguy_> 3.0.0.12-generic is ut
[04:39] <phunyguy_> it*
[04:40] <phunyguy> oh well.  Time to go to bed
[04:40] <Daskreech> phunyguy: get a newer one then. might be able to get one from #ubuntu-server they handle all kernel level changes and packaging
[04:40] <phunyguy> any way to just try the server kernel via apt-get?
[04:41] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install kernel
[04:41] <Daskreech> Just saying if they don't have a newer one for the public you may be able to get one that's not quite public yet
[04:41] <phunyguy> yeah
[04:41] <phunyguy> thank you for your help
[04:41] <Daskreech> Suer
[04:41] <phunyguy> I will bother them tomorrow
[04:41] <Daskreech> sure
[04:41] <Daskreech> night
[04:41] <phunyguy> time for beddie bye
[04:41] <Daskreech> Socket to them!
[04:42] <phunyguy> <3 nice
[05:24] <Duolos> I'm having an issue.  Trying to run unetbootin it asks for the administrator password.  I AM the administrator, but it's not accepting my password.  Sudo does and other system utilities do, but not unetbootin.
[06:54] <sparrW> After installing nvidia-current-dev I got a new version of nvidia-current and now my nvidia driver and nvidia kernel module don't match. How can I fix that?
[07:20] <excognac> hi why do i need to add archive.... natty just to insatll adobe reader?
[07:20] <susundberg> Huh, adobe is propritary software, i am pretty sure natty did not include it in repository
[07:22] <excognac> i added archive.canonial.partner... natty because adobe page does not have the correct version for my architecture- 64bit
[07:25] <excognac> works a way better than Okular. I hate say this but this is the truth
[09:17] <hexacode> anyone here have experience using usb to serial cable for connecting to a cisco router or switch
[09:17] <hexacode> to get into the IOS
[09:29] <maxvanceffer> Hi all
[09:29] <maxvanceffer> Did some body meet bug boot , with message network not fully configured ? wlan is up but no networks found in network manager !
[09:30] <maxvanceffer> Did some body meet bug on boot , with message network not fully configured ? wlan is up but no networks found in network manager !
[09:30] <maxvanceffer> eeepc with built in ubuntu
[09:32] <marcel-venlo> hallo
[09:34] <marcel-venlo> is er iemand online ?
[10:25] <Da|Mummy> is there some ready i cant install kubuntu to my netbook?
[10:26] <Da|Mummy> i have it as a bootable disk on an sd card, and bios first boot from sd card, get to the kubuntu menu, select run kubuntu, because theres no install kubuntu option, and i get a terminal type thing
[10:27] <Da|Mummy> "to run a command as admin (user root), use sudo <command>. see "man sudo_root" for details."
[10:27] <Da|Mummy> is the terminal msg im getting
[10:28] <Da|Mummy> where am i going wrong here?
[10:28] <Da|Mummy> i installed ubuntu 11.04 just fine
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:04] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[11:31] <kubuntuianer> Hey does anyone know how to sync PIM via funambol or bluetooth? I couldnt find anything except for evolution.
[11:37] <kubuntuianer> Why isnt kitchensync in the repositories
[11:39] <punith> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:39]  * szal seems to remember that that was a KDE3 app
[11:42] <Lynoure> kubuntuianer: it's called emacs.
[11:42] <Lynoure> =)
[11:42] <Lynoure> (sorry, bad joke)
[11:44] <kubuntuianer> Lynoure, dont get it
[11:46] <Lynoure> kubuntuianer: historically people have been saying emacs comes with everything and a kitchen sink.
[11:56] <kubuntuianer> did anyone try to use syncevolution under kubuntu? if so did it work?
[12:35] <MitchMess> is this an active channel?
[12:36] <Da|Mummy> doesnt seem like it, im struggling getting help
[12:37] <szal> .oO( impatient kiddies.. )
[12:37] <MitchMess> :-)
[12:38] <Da|Mummy> i asked 2 hours ago....
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Da|Mummy, ask again...some ppl are just joining in NA and can't see your question
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> flooding was never appropriate
[12:40] <BluesKaj> it's morning here
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> is there some ready i cant install kubuntu to my netbook?
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> i have it as a bootable disk on an sd card, and bios first boot from sd card, get to the kubuntu menu, select run kubuntu, because theres no install kubuntu option, and i get a terminal type thing
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> "to run a command as admin (user root), use sudo <command>. see "man sudo_root" for details."
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> is the terminal msg im getting
[12:40] <Da|Mummy> where am i going wrong here?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> afaik sd cards aren't bootable
[12:41] <Da|Mummy> well ive installed current ubuntu from it
[12:41] <Da|Mummy> and can live cd into ubuntu 11.04 using sd card
[12:42] <vprints> it seems some graphics related bug
[12:42] <szal> Da|Mummy: you could have at least taken the time to condense that to 1 or 2 lines ;)
[12:42] <vprints> try to change boot up graphics setting
[12:42] <vprints> s
[12:42] <Da|Mummy> vprints, but if it works fine with ubuntu, why not kubuntu, although i only did try ubuntu 11.04, not the 11.11
[12:43] <Da|Mummy> change to what....?
[12:43] <vprints> 11.04 and 11.10 are totally different kernels
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: sd cards are bootable
[12:44] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yeah , obviously :)
[12:44] <vprints> so if one works it does not mean that the other one definetly also works
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: is your sd card ok?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I should have qualified that , didn't know kubuntu was bootable from an sd card
[12:45] <Da|Mummy> while 11.04 ubuntu seems to work just fine, i did get some sound issues on 11.11, i thought maybe it was a bad update since i was on phone tether at  the time, so maybe newer kernals on 11.11 dont play nice on my netbook?
[12:45] <Da|Mummy> phoenix_firebrd, ya i just reinstalled ubuntu 11.04 again using that same card
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 11.10 Da|Mummy , not 11.11
[12:45] <Da|Mummy> right
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i bought a sd card and a reader just for testing :)
[12:47] <Da|Mummy> so i should maybe try an older version of kubuntu?
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: i think the image was not written to the sd card properly and the boot process drops to bash
[12:47] <Da|Mummy> suggestion?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> or it could be the old graphics / grub/ nomodeset , or related problem
[12:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: write the image again into the sd card and try booting, it is better you check your sd card for read /right failure
[12:49] <Da|Mummy> kubuntu has a livecd feature?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> I guess it must be a novelty thing ...using sd cards
[12:50] <Da|Mummy> BluesKaj, this whole room is filled with sd cards, not a single usb drive :| i do have adapters though
[12:50] <BluesKaj> got any cds ?
[12:50] <Da|Mummy> and id say about 300gb of scattered sd cards laying around
[12:50] <Da|Mummy> netbook....
[12:50] <BluesKaj> oh, right
[12:51] <Da|Mummy> should the initial setup menu give me a livecd option?
[12:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: i think it should
[12:52] <BluesKaj> dunno, did you copy a livecd image?
[12:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: what is the software you are using to write the cd image to your sd card
[12:54] <Da|Mummy> basic ubuntu disk creator
[12:54] <Da|Mummy> im gonna check sd card with h2testw right now though
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: thats good
[12:57]  * BluesKaj still thinks it the nomodeset or other graphics driver prob at boot/grub
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it's
[12:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: if so do you have any reason why this happens in 11.10 and not in 11.04?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> it's quite common in 11.10 , different kernel modules etc
[12:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: so it should happen to everyone who tries to boot from sd card?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> 11.10 has a lot of unsolved problems ...can't wait til 12.04
[13:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thats very true
[13:01] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, not necessarily , the media doesn't have much to do with it from the description , it has to do with graphics drivers not loading X
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you talking about Da|Mummy problem?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what graphics driver are you talking about?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> but I could be wrong , since there looks like permission thing as well
[13:05] <BluesKaj> any number of graphics driver both ati and nvidia , even some intel onboards
[13:05] <Da|Mummy> k, sd card is clean
[13:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: so you say that the graphics driver problem wont be there if he boots from a cd?
[13:06] <Da|Mummy> thats out of question, either way....its sd or usb
[13:06] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: write the cd image again into the sd card and boot
[13:06] <BluesKaj> no I didn't say that ...i said the media is probly immaterial
[13:06] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,^
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: this time if you get any error , note down the full error
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: oh ,,ok
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: we need a lot of testing before a release
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: think about wayland ,:D
[13:10]  * BluesKaj has thought about wayland but , there's long way to go...hope the devs are working on it
[13:10] <BluesKaj> in the meantime X is our only choice and must live with it
[13:12] <kubuntuianer> Hey I installed evolution but unfortunately it tries to use gtk font which makes it very ugly. Is there a way to solve this problem?
[13:13] <fire`lala> remove it again? scnr ;)
[13:13] <vprints> :D
[13:16] <kubuntuianer> fire`lala^^ well it is the only way to sync via bluetooth...
[13:16] <vprints> roland: tere
[13:16] <BluesKaj> kubuntuianer, you can set it to use kde fonts in gtk apps in system settings
[13:16] <roland> vprints: tere
[13:17] <vprints> kogemata jäi .ee silma :D
[13:17] <Da|Mummy> hmm, well heres my error trying 10.04 from sd
[13:17] <Da|Mummy> Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot
[13:17] <vprints> niisama hängid siin või mingi mure kubuntuga? :)
[13:18] <Da|Mummy> vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image
[13:18] <roland> mul IRC tööjuures koguaeg töötab ja see lihtsalt üks nendest kanalitest, kuhu automaatselt ühinetakse
[13:18] <roland> vahetevahel küsib/aitab nii nagu oskab
[13:18] <vprints> :)
[13:19] <vprints> tule estobuntu kanalisse ka siis :D
[13:19] <roland> praegu üritan SSD'd tööle panna
[13:19] <fire`lala> damn u plasma-desktop
[13:19] <kubuntuianer> BluesKaj, I already did. Gimp looks just fine. But this is not working on evolution
[13:19] <fire`lala> it crashes every 10 minutes
[13:19] <fire`lala> very annoying
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yup Da|Mummy, looks like the vesa driver (default) won't boot X , are you using a 32 bit image on a 64 bit machine ?
[13:20] <fire`lala> is there any plan to provide an updated version of plasma-desktop (kde sc 4.7.3)
[13:20] <fire`lala> before the next release
[13:21] <fire`lala> there are fixes for the crashes I experience, but I don't want to patch the package myself
[13:21] <BluesKaj> fire`lala, yes, it's in the backports afaik
[13:22] <BluesKaj> fire`lala,  , have you tried a dist-upgrade?
[13:22] <fire`lala> not today :)
[13:22] <fire`lala> I'll have a look
[13:23] <Da|Mummy> no, im quite sure this is a 32bit atom
[13:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-mint-84/trying-to-boot-linux-mint-9-from-usb-flash-drive-vesamenu-c32-not-a-com32r-image-829397/
[13:25] <fire`lala> BluesKaj: I have 4:4.7.3a-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 installed
[13:25] <fire`lala> and there's no update available in the update or backport ppas
[13:27] <Da|Mummy> ok phoenix_firebrd looks like that link got me through that step, booting into livecd now i guess
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: ok
[13:28] <BluesKaj> check your sources.list.d  for kubuntu backports, fire`lala
[13:33] <fire`lala> BluesKaj: well, it's there ... still no update, what's the supposed version of this update in backports?
[13:33] <phunyguy_work> hellooooooooo!!
[13:33] <phunyguy_work> it's a happy day.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> fire`lala, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[13:39] <fire`lala> BluesKaj: yes, but that doesn't help, because the latest plasma-desktop keeps crashing and AFAICS there's no newer package in this PPA. I already have the kde sc 4.7.3 packages installed.
[13:41] <kubuntuianer> can you tell me how to import addressbook.db in kontact?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ok , I thought you hadn't installed the latest kde , fire`lala , I misunderstood
[13:42] <fire`lala> thank you anyway :)
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Da|Mummy: what happened?
[13:45] <Sitaup> Hi everyone,  Today at 5 pm this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day.
[13:46] <phoenix_firebrd> Sitaup: i have a doubt
[13:46] <Sitaup> Tell me
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Sitaup: does the website check my ip or mac id?
[13:47] <kubuntuianer> I installed syncevolution on my kubuntu machine which is working very well. Unfortunately it only works with evolution. How can I import the contacts I see in evolution to kmail / kontact? There is a addressbook.db in /.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/. What can I do?
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Sitaup: i am having 3 more mail ids
[13:47] <Sitaup> No
[13:48] <Sitaup> ;)
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Sitaup: so i can vote more?
[13:49] <Sitaup> Yes, you can
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Sitaup: good
[13:50] <kubuntuianer> Another option would be that I use evolution. But it doesn't use qt so it looks very ugly. I appreciate it if you can help me on this or the other issue
[13:51] <fire`lala> kubuntuianer: normally there's an option to choose the "GTK+ appearance"
[13:51] <fire`lala> it's in system settings => application appearance
[13:52] <kubuntuianer> fire`lala, this option is already activated
[13:53] <fire`lala> then I don't know :(
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> vote for kde  https://verein.ing-diba.de/sonstiges/10115/kde-ev
[14:00] <BarkingFish> kubuntuianer: there used to be an interaction plugin between synce and kde, unfortunately it's not available anymore - iirc the last time it was tested it failed to build
[14:00] <BarkingFish> if I remember, it was because it was using the older kdelibs, from somewhere round version 3 i think
[14:02] <kubuntuianer> mh.... too bad. It is very sad seeing no real solution
[14:03] <BarkingFish> kubuntuianer: Actually, I am wrong.
[14:03] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, what do you meen
[14:03] <BarkingFish> are you trying to sync from a mobile device?
[14:04] <kubuntuianer> yes
[14:04] <BarkingFish> right, try this.
[14:04] <BarkingFish> one sec
[14:05] <BarkingFish> have you got the PPA for synce stored in your software sources?
[14:05] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, yes
[14:05] <BarkingFish> ah, ok then.
[14:05] <BarkingFish> Cause synce-kpm is still available through that source
[14:05] <Quetzalcoatl> hi. i have 2 kwin processes that are zombie. what can i do ?
[14:07] <BarkingFish> kubuntuianer: I have the same issues here, I'm using an HP iPAQ hw6515 on Windows Mobile 2003, and synce syncs that up perfectly.
[14:07] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, I try it :)
[14:07] <BarkingFish> I don't know what your mobile's OS is, but I'm pretty sure we should be able to do something with it
[14:09] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, Nokia Symbian S60v3. Well Sync works but I still just see the contacts in evolution
[14:10] <kubuntuianer> synce-kpm is installed
[14:10] <phunyguy_work> anyone have any idea where the bookmarks are stored in rekonq?
[14:10] <kubuntuianer> wait...
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: why, do you want to edit it or clear it?
[14:11] <phunyguy_work> sync
[14:11] <phunyguy_work> dropbox sync
[14:11] <phunyguy_work> phoenix_firebrd: ^^
[14:12] <BarkingFish> hm
[14:12] <BarkingFish> Have you set up the GUI for synce to get more than just contacts?
[14:12] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: ok, wait let me check
[14:12] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, no I try this as well
[14:14] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, I can't choose anything else. So I have to work with "Contacts". Do I have to start synce-kpm? Because when I do so I cant click on anything.
[14:14] <BarkingFish> kubuntuianer: no, you shouldn't have to start synce-kpm - it should start automagically as a KDE bridge with synce
[14:14] <BarkingFish> when you start synce, it should follow
[14:14] <kubuntuianer> ok
[14:17] <kubuntuianer> BarkingFish, should Kontacts automatically recognize new contacts?
[14:17] <kubuntuianer> Maybe I have to import them somehow
[14:19] <BarkingFish> kubuntuianer: I don't use Kontact here, so I'm afraid I don't know.
[14:21] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work:  /home/phoenix/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[14:21] <BluesKaj> kubuntuianer, afaik you need to set the options in kmail to import or autosave new contacts, but autosave can fill your contact list in a hurry if you use the app at work :)
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> AHH konqueror folder
[14:21] <BluesKaj> without filters
[14:21] <phunyguy_work> forgot they use the same stuff
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: ya, both use the same file
[14:22] <kubuntuianer> BluesKaj, how can I activate the autosave function?
[14:22] <DaMummy> well, looks like i got kubuntu going, but im not getting sound through youtube...
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: can drop sync a hidden folder?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> kubuntuianer, there should be an option in kmail settings...I haven't used kmail in a while so I cant recall exactly
[14:23] <DaMummy> touchscreen doesnt work :|
[14:24] <phunyguy_work> I am doing it different, phoenix_firebrd, I am moving the real file to the drop box folder, then symlinking it in the hidden folder
[14:24] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: thats a good iead
[14:24] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: thats a good idea
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> works!
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> let me update a bookmark and see if dropbox gets activity
[14:26] <phunyguy_work> yup.  good to go
[14:26] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: good
[14:26] <phunyguy_work> thanks phoenix_firebrd
[14:26] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: yw
[14:27] <DaMummy> kubuntu doesnt do touscreen?
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: have you voted for kde?
[14:29] <phunyguy_work> ssshhh sssshhh sssshh I will
[14:29] <phunyguy_work> lol
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> phunyguy_work: time is short
[14:36] <Quetzalcoatl>  i have 2 kwin processes that are zombie. what can i do ?
[14:41] <Quetzalcoatl> so, anyone can help me with 2*kwin zombies ?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Quetzalcoatl,zombie processes are already dead
[14:43] <Resistance> as well, no need to repeat :P
[14:43] <Resistance> we saw you the first time
[14:43] <Resistance> Quetzalcoatl:  killall -9 kwin
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Resistance, -9 is for zombies?
[14:44] <Quetzalcoatl> Resistance: i did already that but for some reason when i reboot those 2 zombies are there and i wanna to get rid of them
[14:44] <Resistance> BluesKaj:  -9 is for pesky programs that dont die
[14:44] <Resistance> BluesKaj:  and for those that fail to die with -9, i reserve -SEGV
[14:44] <Resistance> :P
[14:45]  * BluesKaj stays away from the at one
[14:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: what is your kde version
[14:45] <Resistance> BluesKaj:  usually -9 works ;P
[14:45] <Quetzalcoatl> 4.7.2
[14:45] <Resistance> segv is mah last resort
[14:46] <BluesKaj> pesky is amatter of opinion ...don't think I'd leave iy up to killall to choose :)
[14:46] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: is the last version that's included in oneiric
[14:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: can you start a new session everytime you login instead of restoring a previous session
[14:49] <Quetzalcoatl> what i noticed since i installed 11.10 (fresh install) is that the applications are closing a little bit slower
[14:50] <Quetzalcoatl> firefox for instance had a zombie process even if it was runnig
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: i had that problem
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: try starting with a new session for solving the kwin issue
[14:51] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: i will try.
[14:52] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: is there a file where i can specify to start every time a new session ??
[14:53] <Quetzalcoatl> i'll be back
[14:55] <nom_> hugh
[14:55] <nom_> mais ou suis je
[15:02] <Quetzalcoatl> i'm back. same
[15:02] <PolitikerNEU__> Äh - blöde Frage, aber wie benutzt man ironhide richtig?
[15:02] <PolitikerNEU__> Also so, dass es für ein bestimmtes Programm den nvidia-server startet
[15:02] <PolitikerNEU__> äh - die nvidia-Grafikkarte verwendet
[15:03] <PolitikerNEU__> sorry, wrong channel
[15:03] <PolitikerNEU__> but I think I will reask the question here: How do I use ironhide "correctly" (in order to let the nvidia graphics card be used for a certain application)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> poi running dual graphics on a laptop ?
[15:04] <PolitikerNEU__> yeah
[15:04] <PolitikerNEU__> intel/nvidia
[15:05] <PolitikerNEU__> in order to save power, normally just the intel chip is active - but if I need more power, I would like to switch on the nvidia gpu. ironhide should support that but I can't see how I could use it
[15:05] <PolitikerNEU__> I only know it basically should work because nvidia-settings can be accessed through ironhide configuration but not if startet seperately
[15:06] <BluesKaj> PolitikerNEU__ , what's that feature called again ? There's been a problem with those on kubuntu
[15:06] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: oops i didnt get alert since you didnt use my nick
[15:06] <PolitikerNEU__> well - actually, as I said, I am in the wrong channel - I use XFCE. I don't know how this feature is called exactly, but it just switches on and off the nvidia gpu
[15:07] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: same thing
[15:07] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix:dont worry
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: you can specify that in system settings
[15:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: system settings -> startup and shutdown -> session management
[15:08] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: i did, restarted, and the result is the same
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Quetzalcoatl: set the default leave option to "end the current session" and set the on login option to "start with an empty session"
[15:10] <Quetzalcoatl> phoenix: i dont understand how after a few weeks (after a fresh install) of use kwin is zombie
[15:11] <Quetzalcoatl> but i think i can live for a while with 2 zombies inside my kubu box
[15:11] <Quetzalcoatl> :))
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Quetzalcoatl, kwin isn't the zombie , just aprocess that's dead in kwin
[15:15] <Quetzalcoatl> BluesKaj: i see.
[15:46] <BarkingFish> is there any way in kubuntu of getting myself back to firefox 4 through the archive repos please?  half the plugins I want aren't working with firefox issuing stuff so dang fast.
[15:47] <BarkingFish> I don't want to compile it from source, so looking for alternatives to that if possible
[15:49] <szal> give the respective add-on devs a kick in the shizzles if you think you need those add-ons ;)
[15:49] <BarkingFish> szal: I've kicked them in the family jewels on several occasions, one said she's giving up cause firefox are issuing faster than she can code.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, which plugins ?
[15:50] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: Totem - doesn't work.  VLC - Crashes Firefox 7.0.1 .  Moonlight - refuses to install.
[15:51] <_jam> using kmail, when my internet connection dies and kmail times out, it never reconnects. before 11.10, this would happen, but if I restarted kmail it would start working
[15:51] <_jam> now, it seems like the imap handler is external to kmail
[15:52] <BluesKaj> why moonlight and totem ..both are clunky , the vlc plugin should work tho
[15:52] <_jam> so, I probably need to restart that handler. but how can I do that?
[15:52] <BarkingFish> moonlight is needed cause it's the only plugin i know which can handle Sliverlight streams. Nothing else I've tried can do that.
[15:53] <tgr> How do I stop the api.opendesktop.org login nag? I don't have (and don't want) an account, but this nag pops up every few minutes. I've closed every widget I can see, but presumably there's one that I won't see until I enter my non-existent login details :(
[15:54] <_jam> tgr: if you open the 'add widgets' menu, every added widget will have a check mark on it
[15:54] <_jam> i'm not sure if you can remove the widget from there (you might be able to), but at least you'll know what you are looking for
[15:55] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: the vlc plugin has crashed more than Dale Earnhardt, and I just want stuff that works.  If that means backpedalling 3 versions of firefox, so be it.
[15:55] <BarkingFish> I don't see what Mozilla's obsession with "damn, we have to get this out faster" is anyway :P
[15:56] <BarkingFish> better to have a stable version than one with more holes than swiss cheese and more bugs than an entomology lab
[15:56] <szal> "release early, release often" <- basic principle of OSS development
[15:57] <BarkingFish> szal: "release stable, get less complaints from pissed off users" < - basic principle of me.
[15:57] <BarkingFish> :)
[15:57] <_jam> but yea, I really need to find a fix for this kmail thing. I don't feel like restarting kde everytime I sleep my laptop
[15:57] <_jam> since that kinda defeats the purpose of sleeping the laptop
[15:57] <BarkingFish> if we were to do it as fast as mozilla, i mean issuing kubuntu, we'd have been round the alphabet two or three times with release names.
[15:58] <tgr> _jam: Thanks, I suppose that's a start. There are a couple of things checked in there that I don't see on my desktop, so the question does seem to be how to remove them.
[15:59] <BarkingFish> anyway, what I want to do is backport to Firefox 3.6.17 or Firefox 4.0.whatever and get the stuff I want working, to work :)
[15:59] <_jam> you want stable, but you are using moonlight?
[15:59] <BarkingFish> _jam: that was last released 7 months ago.
[15:59] <BarkingFish> It's more stable than the browser it's being written for
[15:59] <szal> BarkingFish: if you want maximum reliability, use LTS or Debian-stable ;)
[16:00] <_jam> FF7 is definitely more stable than FF3 or FF4
[16:00] <BarkingFish> _jam: on the minus side, hardly anything flaming works with it :)
[16:01] <BarkingFish> I'd be better off using lynx!
[16:01] <_jam> what is stopping you?
[16:01] <_jam> this is hardly the place to complain about firefox anyway
[16:01] <BarkingFish> I know that
[16:02] <BarkingFish> I came to ask for advice on getting a backport or older version of firefox, not for a full on discussion of why I wanted it
[16:03] <_jam> you could follow the instructions on setting up firefox on a thumbdrive (portable firefox i think it is called)
[16:04] <_jam> but instead of setting it up on a thumbdrive, just do it in a special folder. download an old firefox binary, and proceed that way
[16:04] <BarkingFish> !firefox
[16:04] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, have you tried reinstalling mozilla-plugin-vlc ?
[16:05] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: twice, it crashes consistently, regardless of what I try to play
[16:05] <BluesKaj> vlc crashes or ff ?
[16:06] <BarkingFish> firefox
[16:07] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, , maybe it's a flash problem
[16:07] <BarkingFish> it happens even when I'm not using flash stuff, even if i'm streaming .pls files, it still dies.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> using totem plugins as well ?
[16:08] <BarkingFish> totem doesn't play anything whatsoever
[16:09] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, got any urls we can test ?
[16:10] <BarkingFish> sure, gimme a sec
[16:11] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: Have you tried starting FF in a terminal window and looking at the error output when it crashes?
[16:11] <BarkingFish> nope, I can do that and pastebin the results if you want
[16:11] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, it crashes when trying to play media
[16:12] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: granted ... running it in a term and checking error output may have some clues ...
[16:13] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: it may tell us if it's FF or a plugin that's crashing FF ...
[16:13] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: here's one to start on from the URL's i've tried: http://176.28.2.237:9000
[16:14] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: unable to connect
[16:14] <BarkingFish> brilliant. Now firefox has crashed, and this time it's taken Plasma with it
[16:15] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: fresh install or upgrade?
[16:15] <BarkingFish> fresh install
[16:16] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, I just played tha t teddy radio with alsaplayer , no prob
[16:16] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: have you tried installing the "Additional Drivers" package from Muon or Apper?
[16:16] <BarkingFish> mr-rich: yes, everything I need, I have
[16:17] <BarkingFish> another one for you to try with the vlc plugin: http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/wdr2.m3u
[16:17] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: FF may not be the problem, just a symtom of something else ...
[16:17] <BarkingFish> those are the only two I can find in the history at the moment
[16:17] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: run FF in a term and pastebin the output ...
[16:18] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, maybe you should set the default player to something else for audio streams
[16:18] <BarkingFish> Radio Teddy is the IP address, and the other one is Westdeutscher Rundfunk, both german
[16:18] <grasiani> hi
[16:18] <SaEeDIRHA> hey guys , i have installed Nvida graphic driver from its website , and when it overwrites xorg.conf file , the desktop does not load up after reboot
[16:19] <SaEeDIRHA> can you tell me what is causing this problem and how can i fix it ?
[16:19] <phunyguy_work> ok, up and running on the 3.0.0.14-generic kernel.  We shall see what happens
[16:19] <grasiani> anyone knows how to install packages from a kubuntu flashdrive? (no internet on kubuntu machine, need make to compile the wifi driver)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, yeah , that german one is justa blank black page and hitting enter crashes it here too
[16:20] <BarkingFish> which, the WDR one?
[16:20] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: WDR working fine here in FF ...
[16:21] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: Female DJ speaking German ... :)
[16:22] <BarkingFish> That should be who I normally listen to, Cathrin Brackmann
[16:22] <BarkingFish> This thing is a pain in the [i can't repeat this]
[16:25] <BarkingFish> I'm just moving some stuff around, will do firefox from a terminal in a sec - i'll put the vlc plugin on for all audio & see what happens :)
[16:26] <rotsy> hey guys
[16:26] <rotsy> i am just starting to use kubuntu
[16:26] <phunyguy_work> no way!
[16:26] <rotsy> can anyone help me configure kontact
[16:27] <phunyguy_work> just ask your question
[16:30] <BarkingFish> mr-rich: BluesKaj - looks like I found a plugin which works.  gecko-mediaplayer is coping with WDR and Radio Teddy...
[16:30] <BarkingFish> i'll still switch to the VLC one and catch the output from that.
[16:30] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: does anything else crash Plasma?
[16:31] <BarkingFish> o
[16:31] <BarkingFish> *no
[16:31] <BarkingFish> sorry, busted keyboard :)
[16:31] <BarkingFish> i just went to do the content plugin management, and lo, plasma went again.
[16:32] <BarkingFish> This is becoming a damn joke.
[16:32] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: good luck ... gotta go ...
[16:32] <BarkingFish> ok
[16:32] <mr-rich> BarkingFish: did FF go too?
[16:32] <BarkingFish> i think my best bet is to migrate down to 10.04 LTS, looks to be my safest option.
[16:32] <BarkingFish> mr-rich: yes
[16:33] <BarkingFish> !info firefox lucid
[16:33] <mr-rich> run it in a term ...
[16:33] <mr-rich> But I do have to go ...
[16:34] <BarkingFish> ok
[16:34] <BarkingFish> thanks anyway :)
[16:35] <BarkingFish> i will see what's dying now, i just killed plasma-desktop of my own free will, started that from a terminal, and now I'm gonna start firefox, and see what kills one or the other
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yeah BarkingFish , the url works in vlc
[16:37] <_jam> and figured out my kmail problem. have to kill -9 all the akonadi_imap_resource processes
[16:38] <DarkriftX> why in the hell does kpackagekit insist on telling me there is an upgrade every 5-10 minutes?
[16:38] <DarkriftX> did someone seriously think that was acceptable?
[16:39] <_jam> Yea, I turned off auto checking for that and just have cron to an aptitude update at like 4a every day
[16:39] <_jam> I also have it do an aptitude safe-ugprade -d, so that when I do decide to update, I don't have to wait for any downloads
[16:40] <_jam> ok, so now, where did all my wireless passwords go
[16:40] <_jam> ?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> just turn off the notifications
[16:41] <SaEeDIRHA> hey, i have problem with my graphic card, its nvidia GT54M , once i install the driver from website and it overwrites xorg.conf file , the desktop does not show up when i reboot
[16:41] <BluesKaj> DarkriftX, ^
[16:42] <DarkriftX> yeah, but I use those notifications for normal updates
[16:42] <SaEeDIRHA> GT540M *
[16:42] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: whatever caused this, I've caught.  Plasma died on me, and drKonqi caught it, it's producing a backtrace now
[16:42] <DarkriftX> its the distupdate that is annoying me
[16:42] <BarkingFish> that's a first too, a 3 Star backtrace :P
[16:42] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, why are you using the driver from the website , whynot use the recommended driver in addtional drivers
[16:42] <BarkingFish> gotta be something serious :0
[16:43] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj,  i did , but that doesnt seem to load drivers module
[16:43] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, did you reboot after install
[16:43] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, and all the desktops effects are inactive
[16:43] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj,  yes i did
[16:43] <_jam> but seriously, can anyone point me on how to import my old wireless keys into network manager. It seems to have forgotten that information
[16:44] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, it shows the KUBUNTU splashscreen , but then it stops
[16:44] <SaEeDIRHA> and i cannot event terminate x with ctrl+alt+f1
[16:45] <_jam> I see a bunch of network connection files in .kde/share/apps/networkmanagement/connections but they aren't being read, apparently
[16:46] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, hold the shift key down right after the BIOS scrn til the grub menu appears .. I think you may have the nomodeset issue with nvidia
[16:46] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[16:46] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: One crash, plus backtrace - mr-rich, if you're still watching, http://paste.ubuntu.com/739323/
[16:47] <BarkingFish> got a full backtrace which has also been filed with KDE's bug tracker
[16:49] <grasiani> testing irc client. hello nice people
[16:49] <BluesKaj> hi grasiani
[16:49] <grasiani> it works!  hi, BluesKaj!
[16:50] <BluesKaj> LimeChat for Mac , never heard of it :)
[16:51] <grasiani> free, works pretty well
[16:51] <grasiani> so, I just installed kubuntu on a desktop using a flash drive. I need the package make to compile the wifi driver.
[16:51] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, it seems its a common problem , i am googling it now
[16:51] <grasiani> and mac isn't that bad, but i need my shiny kubuntu with internet :D
[16:51] <BluesKaj> grasiani, good to see something free in the mac world :)
[16:52] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, look here  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[16:54] <grasiani> and I don't know if it's possible to install packages from this flash drive (I aso have the kubuntu iso) using apt-get
[16:57] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj,  i am going though xorg log file , it loads the Nvidia driver module
[16:57] <SaEeDIRHA> but latest error is "No device detected"
[16:58] <SaEeDIRHA> then Fatal error: "no screen found "
[16:58] <SaEeDIRHA> :(
[16:58] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[16:59] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, did you get to the grub menu ?
[16:59] <SaEeDIRHA> yeah , that works fine ,  i am in bash now
[16:59] <SaEeDIRHA> that command shows the current install version
[17:00] <grasiani> does anyone replied my question? I got disconnected (yes, my first time in irc)
[17:03] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, ok , sudo nano /etc/default/grub , find the line with "quiet splash" . make the line into "quiet spalsh nomodeset" , save the file (ctl+o) , enter, then leave with ctl+x , then sudo update-grub ,now reboot
[17:04] <NIX-Knight> is there a way to separate task manager from the default panel for virtual desktops?
[17:05] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, i have problem with graphic cards , not the boot process
[17:05] <BluesKaj> gras yes but it may be commented with # in the sources.list , the reson being the repositories on the internet contain updates to installed packages that may need updating/upgrading
[17:06] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA,  yeah , but that's the graphics card problem , the mode set has to be bypassed so the graphics driver will load
[17:06] <BluesKaj> loaad X that is
[17:07] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj,  it does load according to the xorg.0.log file
[17:07] <bigbrovar> I should be upgrading to kubuntu 11.10 later today. Any heads up?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, it may load but in the wrong mode
[17:08] <BluesKaj> sound and graphics , bigbrovar
[17:08] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, ok , let me try that
[17:09] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj:  U mean there is a regression in sound and graphics?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, regression ? no just make sureyou nresearch your graphjivcs card on 11.10 , and some sound modules need to be modprobed after install
[17:12] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, now its even worse, the graphic resolution is very low
[17:12] <SaEeDIRHA> and old problem still exists
[17:14] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: my graphic and sound card are pretty generic Intel cards worked out of the box on all version of buntu since 10.04
[17:15] <BluesKaj> some intel sound card modules don't work after the upgrade to 11.10 , it's a toss up
[17:15] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, ^
[17:16] <BluesKaj>  SaEeDIRHA , you should really remove that proprietary graphics driver and use the recommended one now
[17:16] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: that's messed up. I will check for sound from the lived once am ready.  Thanks for that heads up.
[17:16] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, ok , but recommended driver uses the default configuration and all the desktops effects are disabled :(
[17:18] <BluesKaj> the defau configuration is the nouveau driver , which disables the desktop effects , hence the recommended driver which will kick in the desktop effects whern you enable them ..the driver should be the nvidia-current 280.13 or higher
[17:21] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, it is 280.13
[17:22] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, how can i enable desktops effects ?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, kmenu>computer>system settings>desktop effects
[17:24] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, once i done that , it gives me the list of effects that cannot be enabled
[17:24] <SaEeDIRHA> such as Blur, Box Switch ,.....
[17:24] <SaEeDIRHA> screenshots
[17:25] <SaEeDIRHA> and so on
[17:26] <SaEeDIRHA> almost every effects cannot be activated
[17:26] <SaEeDIRHA> lol
[17:26] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA,onboard graphics or pci ?
[17:27] <SaEeDIRHA> its on my laptop
[17:28] <BluesKaj> is this still the diver fom the nvidia site ?
[17:28] <ct529> hi! The last few times I have upgraded ubuntu because of new releases I have used the automatic update. I am now left with some packages which are there and used, but do not appear in the database and are not seen by the package manager. Is there a way to clean up the installation?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> driver
[17:29] <SaEeDIRHA> the graphic card detail is : GPU: intel Co 2nd generation processor family intergrated graphics controller nvidia Co gEforce GT 555M"
[17:29] <SaEeDIRHA> according to hardware info
[17:29] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, no its the recommended driver now
[17:30] <SaEeDIRHA> and also , i dont see any sign of driver on xorg log file
[17:30] <SaEeDIRHA> i dont think its even loaded
[17:31] <SaEeDIRHA> but when i try "lsmod | grep nvi" i can see that the module is been loaded into the kernel
[17:31] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, sudo modprobe nvidia-current
[17:32] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj,  ok
[17:32] <SaEeDIRHA> nothing happened
[17:33] <BluesKaj> good, then it loaded
[17:34] <SaEeDIRHA> how can i force Xorg to use the module ?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> xorg no longer determines if a module loads or not , it's role has been diminished , as long as you don't insert a command there to prevnt a module from loading
[17:36] <SaEeDIRHA> well the module was loaded , but i cannot any sing of it on xorg.log file
[17:37] <SaEeDIRHA> but when i use the nvidia xorg file i can see the nvidia module loaded on xorg log file
[17:37] <SaEeDIRHA> i am really stuck here :( cannot find anything on google either so far :(
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ok, if you insist SaEeDIRHA , sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:38] <BluesKaj> it might help you
[17:38] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, well i did that in the first place , it overwrite the Xorg.conf file then when i reboot it stops , and gives me fatal error that no screens has been found :(
[17:40] <BluesKaj> ct529, make sure you have all repositories enabled in apper , then run an update and upgrade , then apt-get autoremove and autoclean
[17:42] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, it will over write the original xorg.conf file
[17:43] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, yeah i know , and then when i reboot , it gives me fatal error and i does not load the desktop
[17:43] <ct529> BluesKaj: thanks a lot!
[17:44] <BluesKaj> have you rebooted since you made the command , SaEeDIRHA
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:45] <SaEeDIRHA> yes
[17:46] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, you don't happen to have dual graphics gpus on that laptop , do you ?
[17:47] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, it seems it is , not sure though , how can i check ?
[17:48] <SaEeDIRHA> the model is Nvidia GeForce GT540M CUDA 2 GB
[17:48] <SaEeDIRHA> and its on my laptop
[17:49] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, lspci grep VGA
[17:49] <BluesKaj> er lspci | grep VGA
[17:49] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, i have just removed all the Nvida drivers and now , i have desktop effects :D
[17:49] <SaEeDIRHA> lol
[17:50] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, and its two VGA s , one is Intel and the other is NVidia GeForce
[17:51] <BluesKaj> aha ! ,,, just like I thought
[17:51] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, you're actually very lucky to have it working ..some ppl don't
[17:52] <SaEeDIRHA> all i did just removed the nvida recommended drivers
[17:52] <SaEeDIRHA> and nvidia module is not loaded into the kernel either
[17:52] <SaEeDIRHA> but all the effects working perfectly now
[17:52] <BluesKaj> it's a nvidia but it's called nouveau i beleive
[17:53] <BluesKaj> lsmod should tell you
[17:54] <SaEeDIRHA> yeah, video : nouveau, i915
[17:54] <SaEeDIRHA> how come it wasnt working with nvidia driver then ?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> right...hope it still works after the next reboot
[17:55] <SaEeDIRHA> just rebooting now
[17:56] <BluesKaj> the dual gpu thing , the intel works at low graphics loads the nvidia kicks in at higher loads
[17:56] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, it works fine now ,
[17:56] <SaEeDIRHA> thankx for all your help
[17:56] <SaEeDIRHA> but i just dont get it why it doenst work with recommended nvidia driver
[17:57]  * BluesKaj shrugs , what help :)
[17:57] <SaEeDIRHA> once i removed it everything works fine
[17:57] <BluesKaj> weird
[17:58] <SaEeDIRHA> lol yeah :D
[17:59] <SaEeDIRHA> all i did just deactivate all nvidia drivers and removed them all
[18:01] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, i am new to kubuntu , do you know how can i move windows to different desktops ?
[18:02] <SaEeDIRHA> when i drag a window and try to move it to different desktops it doesnt go there
[18:02] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA, right click on the app in the taskbar, options will popup
[18:02] <SaEeDIRHA> in gnome you could keep half of windows on one desktop and the other half on the others
[18:03] <BluesKaj> heh, I use 4 desktops
[18:03] <SaEeDIRHA> well i want to keep half of window on one desktop and the other half on other desktop
[18:04] <SaEeDIRHA> so i can easily move windows between desktops
[18:05] <BluesKaj> half a window ? ...do you mean split view?
[18:05] <SaEeDIRHA> yeah
[18:06] <SaEeDIRHA> i want to move window from one desktop to an other , by mouse , dragging the window and move it
[18:06] <BluesKaj> I use split view on the same desktop , drag files /foldersbetween them
[18:07] <SaEeDIRHA> how can i do that ?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> open dolphin, settings, configure dolphin , check splitview mode
[18:10] <SaEeDIRHA> BluesKaj, ok m8 thankx alot for you time :)
[18:10] <SaEeDIRHA> c u later :)
[18:10] <BluesKaj> SaEeDIRHA,np
[18:19] <Daskreech> You can set the screen edge to move applications amongst desktops
[18:23] <deadman> Hi, I recently installed the package KUBUNTU-DESKTOP from the Software Center, however since then my system does not boot
[18:23] <deadman> I am able to boot via the Recovery option in GRUB menu though
[18:23] <deadman> can someone help me
[18:27] <Daskreech> deadman: what happens when you boot?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, good point , didn't think of that , but he was talking about folders , because said he was dragging windows to different desktops
[18:28] <BluesKaj> I think
[18:28] <deadman> it gets stuck
[18:28] <deadman> actually it get stuck at the line "Loading Lightdm [OK]"
[18:28] <phunyguy_work> need mroe info.
[18:28] <phunyguy_work> more*
[18:29] <phunyguy_work> hmmm... lightdm vs kdm
[18:29] <deadman> @phunyguy: i guess so
[18:29] <Daskreech> deadman: it says Ok?
[18:29] <deadman> because it did not ask me
[18:30] <deadman> yes it does.... ill just getback and post the entire details that comes up
[18:38] <deadman> @Daskreech: Im sorry for a wrong detail, but when i try to boot normally it says "Starting LightDM display MAnager [fail]"
[18:38] <deadman> but it starts okay  when i do with the recovery mode
[18:44] <Daskreech> deadman: Hm umm can you check the X log for any errors?
[18:46] <deadman> Daskreech: Is it in the file /var/log/Xorg.0.lof
[18:46] <deadman> Daskreech: Xorg.0.log*
[18:49] <deadman> Daskreech: how to check for errors in the X log ?
[18:50] <deadman> Daskreech: i dont think there are any other errors except "failed to load module nv (module does not exist,0)" which has a code EE
[18:52] <Daskreech> deadman: yes
[18:52] <Daskreech> That's a .. pretty bad error
[18:53] <Daskreech> you are logged in with failsafe mode?
[18:53] <deadman> Daskreech: no im not logged in with failsafe mode, is it related to the nouveau driver ?
[18:54] <Daskreech> deadman: Well I want to figure out what driver you are using.
[18:54] <Daskreech> What was the date on that error?
[18:57] <deadman> Daskreech: Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Nov 16 00:06:00 2011
[18:59] <Daskreech> Yesterday. Was that when you installed kubuntu desktop ?
[19:00] <deadman> Daskreech: No, i did it on 13th Nov
[19:01] <deadman> Daskreech: This error happened with me earlier too when i installed the kubuntu-desktop package via apt-get a few weeks back. But then i did a fresh install of Ubuntu
[19:03] <Daskreech> and you've used LDM both time?
[19:04] <deadman> yes, but this time during install via software center, it did not ask me for choosing the login manager
[19:05] <deadman> but it did set lightDM, since thats what shows up when booting through recovery
[19:05] <deadman> Also, the grub spalsh screen and background have changed to Kubuntu's Blue color and logo
[19:08] <Daskreech> deadman: Yeah that happens anytime iyou install a -desktop package
[19:08] <BluesKaj> deadman, there should be an option in the login menu to load kubuntu with kdm instead of lightdm
[19:09] <Daskreech> I don't think that he can get to the login menu. Isn't that the problem?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> well, I have to go for a bit
[19:09] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:10] <deadman> Daskreech: I can get into the login menu, for that i have to start the recovery process,, and just select Resume Boot
[19:11] <deadman> but i CANNOT do that when booting normally
[19:11] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: *wave*
[19:12] <Daskreech> yo bigbrovar
[19:12] <Daskreech> deadman: try switch the dm to KDM and see if that helps
[19:13] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: so I took my kwallet problem as a sign to upgrade to kubuntu  11.10 any heads up?
[19:22] <LogicallyDashing> When I make a new KWord document, enter some text, and set the page to landscape, it prints as a portrait. But if I enable document headers, then it will print as a landscape, even if I subsequently disable document headers.
[19:23] <LogicallyDashing> Actually that's not correct--it shows up in the print preview as landscape after that; it prints like it's trying to do landscape, but it's really letting the text run off the page.
[19:25] <calcmandan_pre> Does the same thing happen in libre?
[19:25] <LogicallyDashing> nope
[19:26] <calcmandan_pre> Did you try looking into rinter settings to see if there is a sefondary setting taking precedence?
[19:28] <Daskreech> bigbrovar: have net?
[19:28] <semitones> is gksudo the correct way of starting a GUI app as root in kde?
[19:28] <Daskreech> semitones: kdesudo
[19:28] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: net? Am lost
[19:28] <semitones> danke Daskreech, I tried kdesu, but no dice :p
[19:29] <Daskreech> bigbrovar: you ahve to download it somehow :)
[19:29] <Daskreech> semitones: kdesu should be linked to kdesudo
[19:29] <semitones> it's not though -- not installed
[19:30] <semitones> i guess I could install it -- any idea why it would not be included in my kubuntu?
[19:30] <bigbrovar> Daskreech:  doing that ATM,  should almost be done. I am just wondering what it brings to be table over 11.04 with kde 4.7 back port .. beside updated plumbing that is
[19:32] <deadman> Daskreech: thanks a lot, I changed the dm to kdm and now it boots....however is there no way to get back the lightdm to work correctly ?
[19:33] <Daskreech> bigbrovar: Well it's Kmail2 if you can stand that
[19:33] <deadman> Daskreech: I tried to revert to lightdm once it was okay but i got these errors while boot
[19:33] <Daskreech> semitones: Not sure. you don't have a kdesudo ?
[19:34] <deadman> "deffered execution [fail]"
[19:34] <Daskreech> deadman: I'm guessing it may be a driver error. Next time yo uahve a kernel update you could try again
[19:34] <semitones> Daskreech: I have that, just not kdesu
[19:34] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: I use mail to on 11.04.. can't live without it.
[19:34] <Daskreech> semitones: ah well if you want that then install it. You prefer having a root account?
[19:35] <Daskreech> bigbrovar: Kmail 1 or Kmail 2? I recall you had some issues with Kmail 2 migration
[19:35] <semitones> Daskreech: no, I just wanted to open up gparted, and using gksu didn't seem right
[19:35] <deadman> Daskreech: Okay Thanks
[19:35] <Daskreech> semitones: if you have gksu installed it would work as well
[19:36] <semitones> Daskreech: hmm, ok. why are they different then?
[19:36] <semitones> (by the way, aptitude reports: no candidate for installation for kdesu"
[19:36] <Daskreech> because GNOME and KDE people seem to avoid talking to each other if they canget away with it
[19:36] <semitones> hahaha
[19:37] <Daskreech> Most likely things have not coalesced enough to have a common framework for that
[19:37] <bigbrovar> Daskreech: I did then I decided to use it from scratch and it worked like a charm. Miles ahead of kmail 1 in terms of speed and stability. Also supports push email which was a major let down with kmail one
[19:37] <semitones> ok
[19:37] <Daskreech> su deals with process (which touch files) but gui programs are a good deal more complex in how many things they have to read, call and change so they need their own way of elevating rigths
[19:38] <Daskreech>  but GNOME and KDE do things very differently on a technical level so it would be much better for them to handle cases individually for security right now
[19:38] <giancarlo> why does for me network manager is half in english half in italian?
[19:38] <giancarlo> i wanted it all in italian
[19:38] <Daskreech> bigbrovar: Haven't tried push mail
[19:38] <Daskreech> giancarlo: which sections are not in italian?
[19:39] <Daskreech>  can you bring that up in #kubuntu-devel ?
[19:39] <Daskreech> semitones: there is a common framework for passwords now. Maybe in time things will calm down enough for there to be one gui elevation framework for all
[19:40] <semitones> Daskreech: it could be called guisu :P
[19:40] <Daskreech> For the most part they deal with the same issues so you can use one for all but I think even gksu is doing sudo on Ubuntu
[19:40] <Daskreech> semitones: not a bad name :) I"ll suggest that when they start talking about it
[19:41] <giancarlo> plasmoid part, and some of configuration gui
[19:41] <giancarlo> kde is in italian
[19:41] <semitones> Daskreech: awesome, thanks :)
[19:41] <Daskreech> giancarlo: sì might be a packaging error
[19:42] <Daskreech> ask in #kubuntu-devel
[19:42] <BarkingFish> i'd also raise that in #kde too, i think dantti is part of the Italian internationalisation team. If he's about
[19:42] <Daskreech> semitones: you can also look at partitionmanager if you wanted a KDE partion tool
[19:42] <Daskreech> speaking of which the KDE-i10n team need some more people in leadership/manangement positions
[19:43] <Daskreech> we have a really high bus number there
[19:43] <semitones> Daskreech: not a bad idea -- i trust gparted a lot though :p -- partitioning tools don't seem like something to change on a whim. partitionmanager is very good though?
[19:46] <Kolia> raaaaaaaaaah
[19:46] <Kolia> i've upgraded and now i get stuck at login
[19:47] <Daskreech> semitones: pretty good. Use what works for you though
[19:47] <Kolia> well more exactly i can login, the splash screen appears, the icons start to load, but it stops when the kde icon starts fading
[19:47] <Kolia> stucked here
[19:47] <Kolia> any idea?
[19:47] <semitones> Kolia: that happened to me once, but yours might be different. I had gdm in use instead of kdm at the time
[19:47] <Daskreech> Kolia: check ~/.xsession-errors ?
[19:50] <semitones> oh yeah Daskreech, see what you think about this bug I filed a while back (hasn't been triaged):  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/854370
[19:51] <Kolia> Daskreech: startkde starting, kbuildsycoca4 running.. and then i got an X erro
[19:51] <Kolia> *X error
[19:51] <Kolia> I also have a lot of "Invalid D-BUS Member name" errors
[19:52] <Kolia> i can't pastebin :/
[19:52] <Daskreech> semitones: known issue but GNOME pretty much refuse to fix it
[19:52] <semitones> :(
[19:53] <Daskreech> Kolia: do you have net?
[19:53] <Kolia> nope
[19:53] <Kolia> well
[19:53] <Daskreech> Kolia: ah wifi
[19:53] <Kolia> yep
[19:53] <Kolia> i had net before, and it wasn't working
[19:54] <Kolia> then i tried to install kubuntu-desktop again and It installed a few more packages indeed
[19:54] <Kolia> i thought it was ok, but same problem and now, no more net
[19:54] <Daskreech> Kolia: so you can't sudo apt-get update now ?
[19:55] <Daskreech> semitones: yeah I've asked Ubuntu Desktop team to patch that and they said they would look into it but I think Unity is a much much higher prioroty
[19:55] <Kolia> Daskreech: nope. hum i'm gonna find a cable and plug it
[19:55] <Daskreech> Kolia: Ok lets try a manual start
[19:55] <semitones> Daskreech: do you know the name of the bug in gnome that I could look it up, see what's going on?
[19:55] <Kolia> and see if i can
[19:55] <Daskreech> Kolia: it's fine lets see if you need one first
[19:56] <Kolia> ok
[19:56] <Daskreech> Kolia: YOu know how to jump to a terminal ?
[19:56] <Kolia> ctrl+alt+f1
[19:56] <Kolia> i'm there
[19:56] <Daskreech> semitones: Not off hand but KDE has patched KDM so that anyone using it to login to GNOME will get the full Experience
[19:56] <Daskreech> I swear KDE is too nice most of the tiem
[19:57] <Daskreech> Kolia: sudo service stop kdm
[19:57] <Daskreech> Kolia: then type X&
[19:57] <Daskreech> You shoudl get back a blank X server
[19:57] <Kolia> Daskreech: "unrecognized service"
[19:57] <Daskreech> Kolia: Were you using KDM to login ?
[19:58] <Kolia> yes
[19:58] <semitones> heh
[20:00] <Daskreech> Kolia: ok try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[20:02] <Kolia> Daskreech: didn't work, some message about the way services are working
[20:02] <Kolia> Daskreech: what if I boot in recovery session?
[20:02] <Kolia> *recovery mode
[20:02] <Daskreech> Kolia: I guess :) Wonder what's starting X for you then?
[20:02] <larsivi> is there anything I can do to get a proper backtrace when the nepomuk-servicestub crashes?
[20:03] <larsivi> and what can I do about kmail opening folders indefinately?
[20:03] <Kolia> Daskreech: oh, kdm for sure, but for some reason it doesn't want to go away gently :p
[20:04] <Daskreech> Kolia: bleah you could kill kdm process I guess
[20:04] <Daskreech> do you have a /etc/init.d/kdm file ?
[20:04] <Daskreech> larsivi: what version of KDE ?
[20:04] <larsivi> 4.7.3
[20:05] <Kolia> Daskreech: yes, and doing "sudo kdm stop" brings me back to the login page..
[20:06] <semitones> what if Kolia somehow switched to the 'quickload' login thing
[20:06] <Kolia> i've got the net now (plugged)
[20:07] <semitones> where logging in puts you at the lock screen, and you put in your password to unlock
[20:08] <Kolia> maybe I should try with a new user
[20:08] <larsivi> Daskreech: hmm, maybe this has something to do with things not working properly in kmail? from .xsession-errors: "/usr/bin/kontact(10988)" Soprano: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
[20:08] <Daskreech> Kolia: ok try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to make sure you are not missing anything
[20:08] <Daskreech> brb
[20:09] <Kolia> Daskreech: everything ok with kubuntu-desktop :/
[20:15] <semitones> is there a kde app similar to BUM or can I just use that to remove some bootup services (tor and polypo
[20:20] <Daskreech> semitones: no idea what BUM is but if it's bootup then it will work
[20:20] <semitones> yeah it is :)
[20:20] <semitones> thanks
[20:21] <Daskreech> Kolia: alright what's causing kdm to constantly load? :-/
[20:25] <Kolia> Daskreech: no idea
[20:25] <Kolia> but it's natty
[20:25] <Kolia> i can upgrade to oneiric
[20:25] <Kolia> trying now
[20:26] <Daskreech> Kolia: can you tell me what ls /etc/init.d | grep k says ?
[20:26] <Kolia> Daskreech: there is kdm and kdm-kde4 there
[20:27] <Daskreech> ?
[20:27] <Daskreech> oooh kay
[20:28] <Daskreech> waht does /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 stop say ?
[20:28] <Kolia> it says that it's not running
[20:30] <Kolia> Daskreech: ah! this time running service kdm stop worked!
[20:30] <Kolia> so
[20:30] <Kolia> X& now?
[20:31] <Daskreech> Kolia: yes
[20:31] <Kolia> Daskreech: ok, now i'm on a black page
[20:31] <Kolia> no cursor of any sort
[20:31] <Daskreech> Kolia: jump back to terminal one
[20:32] <Kolia> ok
[20:32] <Kolia> Daskreech: should I try to startkde now?
[20:34] <Daskreech> Kolia: No export DISPLAY=:0.0
[20:35] <Daskreech> Kolia: then xterm &
[20:36] <Kolia> Daskreech: ok done
[20:36] <Daskreech> If you jump back to Alt+ctrl+F7 and you should have a terminal
[20:36] <Kolia> Daskreech: kind of
[20:36] <Daskreech> Top corner
[20:36] <Daskreech> Kind squished in?
[20:36] <Kolia> it's dispaying the boot messages
[20:36] <Daskreech>  really?
[20:36] <Daskreech> Hmm try alt+ctrl+F8
[20:37] <Kolia> ah right :D i was wondering too
[20:37] <Kolia> yep i got the top corner terminal now
[20:37] <Daskreech> Kolia: ok type startkde there
[20:38] <Kolia> starting...
[20:40] <Kolia> Daskreech: stucked at splash screen
[20:42] <Kolia> Daskreech: should I come back to the terminal?
[20:42] <Daskreech> Kolia: hmm :)
[20:42] <Daskreech> ok jump back to F1
[20:43] <Daskreech> killall startkde
[20:43] <Kolia> Daskreech: done
[20:44] <antoinev> Is there any shortcut to start dolphin like windows+e on windows?
[20:44] <Daskreech> Kolia: ok run startkde from F1
[20:45] <Kolia> "KDE seems to be already running on this display"
[20:45] <Daskreech> antoinev: You can technically start any application with a shortcut. Look in global shortcuts for kwin
[20:45] <Daskreech> Though I normally just press alt+F2 and type where I want to go
[20:45] <Kolia> Daskreech: ^
[20:45] <antoinev> Daskreech: ok tx
[20:45] <Daskreech> Kolia: ok killall X
[20:46] <Kolia> no process found
[20:47] <Kolia> Daskreech: kded4 is taking 100% CPU.. does it mean anything?
[20:48] <Kolia> ah no, it was from my test with another user, not related
[20:48] <Daskreech> Kolia: erm
[20:48] <Kolia> Daskreech: ^
[20:48] <Daskreech> did you kill it?
[20:48] <Kolia> yep
[20:49] <Kolia> but KDE still seems to run on this display
[20:50] <Kolia> what's the lightest desktop environment i can install to give it a try?
[20:50] <Kolia> xfce?
[20:50] <Daskreech> fluxbox ?
[20:51] <Kolia> ok trying now
[20:51] <Kolia> if it works, i'll backup stuff and reinstall
[20:51] <Daskreech> lxde
[20:51] <Kolia> this laptop has a dualboot with windows for years, and had been upgraded since Kubuntu 7.something without a fresh install
[20:51] <Kolia> i might have reached some limit :p
[20:54] <Daskreech> Kolia: :)
[20:56] <BluesKaj> Kolia, my other pc is 2006 vintage and it runs 11.10 quite well , added 1GRam to make it 2G and installed an entry level pci nvidia graphics 8400gs card
[20:57] <Kolia> BluesKaj: i'm not worried about hardware, i just think that sometimes a fresh install can be an idea (opposed to 8 upgrades in a row ;)
[20:57] <Kolia> Daskreech: fluxbox made it perfectly
[20:58] <Kolia> holy crap, i wonder what's wrong
[20:58] <Daskreech> Kolia: something in the startkde script. You said that you made a new user and it still froze?
[20:59] <Kolia> Daskreech: yes
[20:59] <Kolia> Daskreech: what about removing kubuntu-desktop now?
[20:59] <Kolia> and restarting it?
[20:59] <Kolia> *reinstall it
[20:59] <Daskreech> Kolia: try removing kubuntu-desktop then run sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Kolia, yeah , that is a consideration for sure, 8 dist-upgrades is a lot :)
[21:01] <Kolia> BluesKaj: to be honest I think I got problems 8 times :D but so far I always managed to sort it out
[21:02] <Kolia> i have a few warnings from dpkg saying there are some wrong characters in the (dpkg) status file
[21:02] <Kolia> can I reinstall dpkg too?
[21:10] <Daskreech> Kolia: ha technically but that is going to be kinda hard if youremove dpkg
[21:11] <Kolia> yeah
[21:11] <Kolia> i did a install --reinstall
[21:11] <Kolia> not sure it changed anything
[21:11] <Kolia> reinstalling kubuntu-desktop now
[21:17] <Kolia> Daskreech: removing kubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything
[21:17] <Kolia> it's like just removing this meta-package, but not all the kde stuff
[21:17] <Daskreech> Kolia: you remove kdelibs5 then run auto remove
[21:21] <Kolia> ok
[21:24] <Kolia> well it wasn't doing it neither so i'm going for a sudo apt-get remove kde* ..
[21:42] <tgr> I can't get any sound from my Creative extigy soundcard -- works fine on MS Windows and is listed as a card that's autodetected. Can anybody help?
[21:45] <u-user> hello all, i try to install kubuntu 11.10 but the installer crash and disappear, how to overcome this ?
[21:55] <u-user> any help to work around this problem to install kubuntu ?
[22:03] <kbroulik> u-user: try alternate installer
[22:03] <kbroulik> (it's a separate ISO to download)
[22:04] <u-user> thanks kbroulik i will download   it
[22:04] <kbroulik> it's text based and a little bit more complicated to use but has looots of more settings, and it is 100% stable ;)
[22:05] <kbroulik> but everything's explained pretty good
[22:05] <u-user> yes, i can deal with it
[22:27] <BarkingFish> evening all.
[22:27] <BarkingFish> anyone here who knows about apper please?  It's annoying the heck out of me.  I've gone to install some "unsigned" packages, and apper is sending me round in circles.
[22:28] <BarkingFish> It asks if I want to install them, yes or no. I click yes, and it goes back to asking me if I want to install the packages, I say yes, etc ad infinitum, until i press no
[22:29] <BarkingFish> at which point, i want to scream.
[22:51] <zimba12> hi
[22:51] <zimba12> I updated kubuntu to the latest version
[22:52] <zimba12> and now Apper show me this message when I try to update packages:
[22:52] <zimba12> The package that is being modified was not found on your system or in any software origin.
[23:18] <phunyguy> ok so kernel 3.0.0.14 didnt fix my browsing issue
[23:21] <phunyguy> and I was wrong about it happening in terminal too.
[23:21] <phunyguy> it's just browsing
[23:22] <WyCKyD> anyone know a fix for the mouse and keyboard freezing, besides going out to buy another keyboard and mouse?
[23:24] <WyCKyD> both keyboard and mouse are usb. issue never happened in any previous release of ubuntu/kubuntu prior to 11.04. since 11.04 and now even in 11.10 after a couple of minutes, the keyboard and mouse both freeze and am unable to do anything
[23:28] <WyCKyD> anyone have any ideas?
[23:34] <hallman> ffs what is up with unrar now? Why can't ubuntu god damn keep anything properly to date without fucking shit up?
[23:37] <yoyo> ffs what is up with chat now? Why can users make a statement without going off like a junior high teen?
[23:38] <hallman> Maybe because ubuntu is so god damn bad that users just don't care to seem reasonable anymore
[23:39] <hallman> Every fucking update, something breaks.
[23:39] <hallman> Fuck this dist
[23:39] <hallman> Fuck it to hell
[23:39] <Unit193> !language
[23:40] <yoyo> feel better?
[23:41] <hallman> Not really
[23:41] <phunyguy> that was mature
[23:41] <phunyguy> you want to complain? Go try fedora.
[23:41] <phunyguy> *shudder*
[23:42] <phunyguy> worst. ever.
[23:42] <phunyguy> sorry i know thats against the rules too
[23:42] <yoyo> he didnt read the "Ubuntu may cause meltdown clause"
[23:42] <hallman> I've only used Gentoo and Arch before, and both are fucking golden compared to this shit
[23:42] <phunyguy> ok seriously.
[23:42] <phunyguy> what he really meant was "I was just leaving."
[23:44] <BarkingFish> hallman: seriously, tone down the language or leave the channel please.  If you have reason to complain, try being constructive - don't just scream "it's broken", explain what is broken.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> Alternatively, if you don't like it, other distros are available, go install one of them.
[23:45] <Daskreech> hallman: calm down. What happened with unrar?
[23:45] <hallman> Today, I'm having a problem with unrar. It doesn't seem to be up to date, since it won't unrar some new files.
[23:45] <hallman> To be perfectly fair, I'm also having a shitty life in general right now and I might be taking it out on ubunti atm.
[23:45] <phunyguy> I wouldn't call that fair.
[23:46] <phunyguy> real talk.
[23:46] <hallman> maybe not
[23:46] <yoyo> Better than having a pet though
[23:46] <phunyguy> you wanna sit and chat about it?  Maybe grab a coffee and a scone?
[23:46] <phunyguy> =D
[23:46] <hallman> I wnt my damn .rar files unpacked
[23:46] <phunyguy> so load up winrar with wine
[23:46] <phunyguy> problem solved
[23:46] <hallman> No..
[23:46] <phunyguy> or compile unrar from source
[23:47] <genii-around> hallman: Your frustration is understandable, but please try to keep the profanity down
[23:47] <phunyguy> wait, the new version of unrar is broken?
[23:47] <phunyguy> I don't see how that is Ubuntu's problem.
[23:47] <phunyguy> either way, your frustration is misguided
[23:47] <hallman> If ubuntu isn't keeping up to date with it's rep..
[23:47] <BarkingFish> it may not be unrar, i have the new version here and it's opening all my rar files fine. Is there any possibility that the rar files you're trying to open are corrupt?
[23:48] <phunyguy> then compile it yourself.
[23:48] <BarkingFish> even a remote one?
[23:48] <hallman> I dunno, there are like 500 people who haven't complained at all.. I'd guess the files are fine.
[23:48] <phunyguy> I find you shallow and pedantic.
[23:48] <phunyguy> =D
[23:49] <phunyguy> I'm sure they have a git, they might even have a ppa.
[23:49] <phunyguy> and you could try ubuntu prerelease update repo.
[23:50] <phunyguy> proposed.
[23:50] <Daskreech> hallman: do you have unrar or unrar-free installed?
[23:50] <hallman> Daskreech: both!
[23:51] <Daskreech> hallman: youcan't have both as far as I know installing one uninstalls the other
[23:51] <hallman> Well I have both
[23:51] <BarkingFish> could you just tell me what unrar you have please, hallman? Mine is the latest issue, and it's unrar 4.00 beta 3 (freeware)
[23:51] <hallman> unrar <tab> brings up unrar, unrar-free and unrar-nonfree
[23:51] <Daskreech> what's the version you have for unrar-nonfree ?
[23:52] <BarkingFish> just open konsole and type unrar  with nothing after it then hit enter
[23:52] <hallman> unrar-free -V
[23:52] <hallman> unrar 0.0.1
[23:52] <BarkingFish> the version number should be at the top of the output (for unrar)
[23:52] <hallman> UNRAR 4.00 beta 3 freeware on unrar-nonfree
[23:52] <Daskreech> that's pretty new
[23:52] <BarkingFish> hm.
[23:53] <Daskreech> I'd probably check your files
[23:53] <hallman> The files are fine..
[23:53] <hallman> 500+ people haven't complained.
[23:53] <phunyguy> what is the error you get?
[23:53] <hallman> It doesn't realize that it's a rar-archive
[23:53] <hallman> "No files to extract"
[23:54] <BarkingFish> hallman: how are you decompressing? command line or in ark?
[23:54] <hallman> command line
[23:54] <hallman> ark isn't doing anything either
[23:56] <hallman> I may be breaking ruels here, but fuck it. I've got three series for today, house, how I fucked your mom, adn 2.5 men.. 2.5men worked fine, the other two were released by dimension, and they're not working. STILL, 500+ people are having no problem at all with it. So what's up with that.
[23:57] <Daskreech> !language
[23:57] <phunyguy> newsgroups?
[23:57] <hallman> yeye language.. I'll work on it..
[23:57] <phunyguy> hallman, newsgroups?
[23:57] <hallman> ?
[23:57] <phunyguy> nevermind.
[23:57] <Daskreech> in any case asksomeone for a checksum of the files and do a checksum of your files
[23:57] <hallman> ktorrent would already have checked the files integrity
[23:58] <genii-around> hallman: You've been warned already more than once now, any more and you have to go.
[23:58] <hallman> got it
[23:58] <phunyguy> and the boss speaks.
[23:59] <phunyguy> so... is this a multi-file rar?
[23:59] <hallman> yes