[02:39] <RedAngel> hi everyone, does anyone know how to customize ubuntu minimal iso
[04:56] <ashickur-noor> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement
[10:56] <wisevoyager> does anyone know how to connect with wimax on ubuntu 11.10? thanks in advanced for any helps.
[10:56] <ashickur-noor> I am also searching it
[10:57] <wisevoyager> I wanna try to connect to my wimax with my wiggy usb modem
[11:00] <ApOgEE> I don't have such modem
[11:01] <wisevoyager> Ap0gEE, ade ko kat sini?
[11:01] <ApOgEE> wisevoyager: this is my home
[11:01] <wisevoyager> fening r X leh connect wimax pakai wiggy modem
[11:02] <ApOgEE> wisevoyager: please use #ubuntu-my for malay support ;)
[11:02] <wisevoyager> 0k..x2
[12:13] <duanedesign> wisevoyager, their is a linix wimax  mailing list that might be of some help
[12:13] <duanedesign> http://lists.linuxwimax.org/listinfo/wimax
[12:14] <duanedesign> click the archives link at the top to browse past discussions. It does look like wimax on Ubuntu 11.10 has been discussed on the list
[12:14] <duanedesign> http://lists.linuxwimax.org/pipermail/wimax/2011-October/thread.html
[15:34] <coalwater> how do i kick an ssh user using another ssh session
[15:34] <coalwater> is there another way other than killing the PID
[15:35] <coalwater> something like kick foo or something lol
[15:51] <coalwater> hey ashams
[15:52] <ashams> coalwater, hey buddy :)
[15:53] <coalwater> come to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[17:30] <truepurple> Can someone help me with mounting a partition?
[17:32] <urlin2u> truepurple, what have you tried so far?
[17:33] <truepurple> I made the partition using gpart, I reformated it again also using gpart
[17:33] <truepurple> I was getting strange errors saying "Daemon Is Inhibited"
[17:34] <truepurple> not just from the partition when I tried to mount or unmount it, which showed but could not be used in nautilus, but from my flash drive
[17:34] <urlin2u> truepurple, did yu create it in a extended, and is the swap in there on or off, and what type of partition?"
[17:35] <urlin2u> truepurple, a image would be best of it really in imagebin, for me.
[17:35] <urlin2u> a gparted image
[17:35] <truepurple> I created in primary, which brings up another issue, gparts options of creating extended partitions is grayed out, I do not want to fill out my primary drive alotment just to make a extended, how do i do that
[17:36] <truepurple> it was FS ext4, and I want it to be of general data type with open permission
[17:36] <truepurple> urlin2u, a image of empty space? I don't follow what you mean
[17:37] <urlin2u> truepurple, take a screen shot of gparted looking at the drive.
[17:38] <urlin2u> truepurple, a extended will hold virtually a unlimited amount of partitions you understand that right?
[17:38] <truepurple> yes
[17:39] <urlin2u> the only draw back is booting a windows sytem from it can be done though, but logicals there can be read by linux and windows.
[17:39] <truepurple> urlin2u, I eventually want to set up my system for a duel boot with win7, so I need to control type, since win7 won't want to go on a extended partition from what I know
[17:40] <truepurple> urlin2u, So the options of logical extendeds being grayed out is a real pain, is there a fix? Another program I can use?
[17:40] <urlin2u> correct not with hacking basically, so to make this easiest take a screen shot of gparted I have limited time before I go to classes at the university.
[17:40] <truepurple> urlin2u, gparted is acting slow, still waiting for it to read everything
[17:41] <urlin2u> truepurple, only one extended per HD is allowed and generally the swap is off to do anything with a extended including building one I suspect.
[17:42] <truepurple> urlin2u, it might take awhile, in the mean time since your time is so short, please keep on trying to help
[17:42] <urlin2u> truepurple, how many partitions are mounted?
[17:42] <truepurple> urlin2u, 1 and 1 partial
[17:42] <truepurple> the main one, and the one in question
[17:42] <hobgoblin> I'm about if you run out of time urlin2u
[17:43] <urlin2u> hobgoblin, heh no problem feel free to jump in. :D
[17:43] <hobgoblin> just watching and waiting for a screenie :p cetainly sounds like the partition is either locked or there is an extended already
[17:44] <truepurple> Someone in ubuntu was helping me before, they had me do a bunch of stuff with editing etc/fstab, which caused some progress, but was not a perfect solution, and I am puzzled as to why it required such a complicated approach just to mount a partition
[17:44] <hobgoblin> well truepurple it's only complicated the first few times, but if you want something to mount auto - then it needs to get to fstab somehow
[17:45] <truepurple> Still waiting for gpart to "Searching dev/sdb"
[17:46] <truepurple> hobgoblin, isn't that what gpart and disk utility are for, so that one does not need to go into base files and add lines and BS like that?
[17:48] <hobgoblin> no idea what disk utility is for - but gparted is a partition editor
[17:49] <hobgoblin> but I don't think that disk utility is for editing system files - it would need to start as root to do so
[17:50] <truepurple> hobgoblin, disk utility seems to be for assigning drive types etc, whether it is viewed as a data type, a home type etc
[17:50] <truepurple> also, benchmarking, mounting and unmounting, formating
[17:51] <hobgoblin> none of which would edit fstab afaik :)
[17:51] <truepurple> but gpart should
[17:51] <ikonia> no it shouldn't
[17:51] <hobgoblin> there ARE GUI things to edit that file
[17:51] <ikonia> it's a partitition manager, not a file system mounter
[17:51] <hobgoblin> truepurple: no it shouldn't  it's a partition editor
[17:51] <ikonia> /etc/fstab is part of the core operating system, gparted should not touch that, no application should
[17:51] <hobgoblin> hi ikonia - long time no see
[17:51] <ikonia> hey hobgoblin
[17:51] <truepurple> its crazy that I need to manually add in technical command lines to implement partitions made by gparted
[17:52] <ikonia> you need to add one line to a text file
[17:52] <truepurple> That is very user unfriendly
[17:52] <ikonia> it's not brain surgery
[17:52] <ikonia> you can also mount it maunually in user space
[17:52] <truepurple> Its pretty technical with these kind of lines
[17:52] <ikonia> it's 1 line
[17:53] <ikonia> disk device | file system | mount point
[17:53] <truepurple> A line that is very code like
[17:53] <ikonia> that's all that's really needed
[17:53] <urlin2u> ikonia, can O quote you on the surgery comment. :D
[17:53] <urlin2u> I*
[17:53] <truepurple> ah, gpart finally finished, I will screen shot it shortly here
[17:53] <ikonia> /dev/sda3 ext4 /home/a/data default 0 0
[17:53] <ikonia> that's it
[17:53] <ikonia> urlin2u: any time
[17:53] <ikonia> it's not exactly a massive code
[17:53] <urlin2u> lol
[17:54] <truepurple> not massive, but seems technical
[17:54] <ikonia> it's not technical
[17:54] <hobgoblin> only because it's new to you :)
[17:54] <ikonia> it's adding a disk name, the file system and where you want to mount it
[17:55] <ikonia> if that is too technical for you, select another OS
[17:55] <truepurple> gpart lists mounting points, why can't it assign them too?
[17:55] <ikonia> because it doesn't need to touch /etc/fstab - as I told you
[17:56] <truepurple> It is necessary to mount the partition apparently, and gpart is all about partitioning
[17:56] <ikonia> the effort to do logical driven error checking of an existing fstab and add/change options is wasted when it's 1 line in clear english
[17:56] <ikonia> no - it's not
[17:56] <ikonia> you can mount the partition without fstab, you are choosing to use it
[17:56] <truepurple> gpart isn't about partitioning?
[17:57] <ikonia> gpart is a partitioning tool, not a file system system modification tool
[17:57] <truepurple> ikonia, I tried, it didn't work
[17:57] <ikonia> then you did it wrong
[17:58] <truepurple> ikonia, how complicated is setting a FS type and a size? How could I possibly get that wrong...
[17:58] <ikonia> you tell me
[17:58] <truepurple> I didnt
[17:58] <ikonia> setting the size and type is nothing to do with mountin it
[17:58] <ikonia> that's partitioning
[17:58] <hobgoblin> truepurple: at the end of the day - it is what it is and it works the way it does - if you want help with your issue then lets do so
[17:58] <ikonia> nothing to do with mounting, so, yes you did get it wrong
[17:59] <truepurple> Doesn't ubuntu automount available drives?/Isn't that what it is suppose to do?/Isn't that what it should do?
[17:59] <ikonia> no
[17:59] <ikonia> that is userspace, it will automount them if there is a udev event triggered for them
[17:59] <ikonia> you will see reference to those on your desktop
[18:00] <truepurple> I did not understand that. But when I plug in a USB flash drive or a DVD drive, one normally does not need to edit a file to mount them, so why is it different with partitions?
[18:00] <ikonia> because that is a udev event beig triggered and a user space mount
[18:01] <truepurple> I didn't understand that the first time
[18:01] <ikonia> then research it
[18:03] <truepurple> hobgoblin, Ok, you wanted a screenshot, I want to show you that both partitions are primaries, where in gpart does it list whether a partition is primary or extended?
[18:03] <hobgoblin> in the filesystem column
[18:04] <truepurple> hobgoblin, that tells me its fs type, ext 4, it does not say primary or extended
[18:04] <ikonia> just show the screen shot
[18:05] <hobgoblin> and tell us exactly what you want to do - if you have already edited fstab I would suspect you had to create a mountpoint in either /mnt or /media
[18:06] <truepurple> it was created in home/user/data per instructions
[18:06] <hobgoblin> we'll need fstab as well so run    cat /etc/fstab and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com so we can see that as well please
[18:06] <ikonia> truepurple: it was home/a/data
[18:06] <ikonia> that was wher eyou put it
[18:06] <ikonia> truepurple: be specific
[18:07] <ikonia> give real examples, stop being vague and ask the specific quesiton you have
[18:07] <ikonia> show the screen shot as you've been asked 4 times
[18:08] <truepurple> it was home/user(my user name)/data
[18:09] <ikonia> you said earlier it was /home/a/data
[18:09] <ikonia> please be specific
[18:09] <ikonia> give the real details
[18:10] <truepurple> That is real data, and user name has no bearing on anything
[18:10] <ikonia> yes it does
[18:10] <ikonia> why you lie and confuse the issue with false info I don't know
[18:11] <ikonia> just tell the truth of what you want to mount and where you want to mount it
[18:11] <truepurple> So if you choose one name, you do a operation differently then another? That is not the case
[18:11] <ikonia> truepurple: it can do, permisisons, groups etc
[18:11] <ikonia> and again..... show us the screen shot
[18:12] <truepurple> trying
[18:12] <truepurple> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/140/screenshotbhu.png/
[18:13] <ikonia> truepurple: why are you showing us /dev/sda1 ?
[18:13] <ikonia> that is the root file systme
[18:14] <truepurple> hobgoblin, your screen shot
[18:14] <truepurple> it also shows the other stuff in the back
[18:14] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[18:14] <ikonia> it shows two partitions that the details are hidden on
[18:14] <ikonia> which is totally pointless,
[18:14] <ikonia> and a worthless screen shot of the details of /dev/sda
[18:14] <ikonia> and a worthless screen shot of the details of /dev/sda1
[18:14] <ikonia> why are you trying to hide stuff ?
[18:14] <ikonia> the mount point is /home/a/data
[18:14] <ikonia> the disks is /dev/sda
[18:15] <ikonia> the partition is /dev/sda2
[18:15] <ikonia> why not give us this information rather than have to pull it out of you kicking and screaming
[18:15] <ikonia> help people to help you rather than be a blocker
[18:15] <truepurple> ikonia, your really cheesing me off, please stop blatently disregarding my wishes
[18:15] <ikonia> no
[18:15] <ikonia> you want people to help - give them the info
[18:16] <ikonia> this is why it's impossible to help you as you won't give real info and try to hide details and information about what you really want to do
[18:16] <ikonia> if you want help, start giving the info
[18:16] <ikonia> if you don't want to give the info, look for other resources
[18:16] <truepurple> I do not want my user name known, I made that clear already, it is not necessary to be known, that is why instructions are written <user> for that space, because as long as you use your user name, what ever that is, it will work
[18:16] <ikonia> give the information or find help elsewhere
[18:16] <truepurple> And you are going out of your way to flaunt my wishes for no reason
[18:16] <truepurple> I am giving the information
[18:16] <ikonia> I'm not
[18:17] <ikonia> truepurple: you want to mount /dev/sda2 - why can I not see the info of /dev/sda2 ?
[18:17] <truepurple> But if you ask for my password, I will not give it, you do not need it, same for my user name
[18:17] <ikonia> what is the purpose of giving me info on /dev/sda1 that you have no interest in mounting
[18:17] <ikonia> that is hiding/missleading the details
[18:17] <ikonia> so unless you want to give REAL information on your issue, you cannot be helped
[18:17] <truepurple> The only information hidden is mounting point location, and I already told you those
[18:17] <ikonia> truepurple: sorry - no help then
[18:18] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I got your screenshot, are you still willing to help?
[18:19] <truepurple> hobgoblin,
[18:19] <hobgoblin> you want help mounting something other than the screenshot - I need to see what you want help with - I want to see fstab - it seems you are not willing to give the information needed to do so - when you are then I will help - but right now I'm in the middle of something else
[18:21] <hobgoblin> truepurple: when were you getting helped in #ubuntu - and what username did you use there?
[18:21] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I gave you a screen shot of what you asked for, that of gpart, you want to see the details of the second partition screen?
[18:21] <ikonia> /home/a/data
[18:21] <ikonia> and it caused a lot of confusion due to the missleading/false information
[18:21] <truepurple> ikonia, you are so acting like a troll, your really making me see red, please knock it off!!!!!!
[18:21] <ikonia> this is why you cause a problem as you will not give informaiton that has no secret value
[18:21] <ikonia> truepurple: you are trolling asking for help in channels but giving people false information,
[18:22] <truepurple> LIER!
[18:22] <ikonia> I made it clear when you where banned from #ubuntu you need to give STRAIGHT HONEST information
[18:22] <truepurple> I am you troll!
[18:22] <ikonia> yet here you are, again hiding details
[18:22] <truepurple> I am not!
[18:22] <ikonia> giving miss-leading information
[18:22] <ikonia> how blind can you be, two people have told you - you are hiding info that you need to get help
[18:22] <truepurple> Leave me alone please! YOU should be banned for treating me like this
[18:23] <ikonia> the information you are hiding is of no value, but helps give you accurate help
[18:24] <truepurple> I told you the mounting locations! You know the friggin mounting locations!
[18:24] <hobgoblin> leave the language elsewhere please
[18:26] <truepurple> I am getting trolled, and "friggin" is not bad language. But ok, I will try to ignore the troll and not use that language if you wish, if you will still help hobgoblin. If I listed that other information you wished, will you still help me?
[18:28] <truepurple> hobgoblin, are you still willing to help me if I get that other information from fstab?
[18:29] <hobgoblin> at the moment I am reading the logs in #ubuntu
[18:34] <hobgoblin> no I'm not truepurple, it is obviosu to me that you try hard not to give people information when asked - as an example it has taken almost an hour to get a screenshot. Good luck.
[18:37] <truepurple> hobgoblin, that is not true, I am willing to give information, I dont know that it took an hour, but having to deal with ikonias trolling, and your not seeming being here during that time made things longer (the latter because if you aren't here, then there is no rush for the screen shot and I have time to fend off the trolls attack)
[18:44] <Fanshawe> I need some help with unison.
[18:44] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I would also mention it took a long time for gpart to finish loading
[18:44] <ikonia> Fanshawe: do you mean unity
[18:44] <Fanshawe> Why do I keep getting the error 'merge preference not set'? Nothing backs up.
[18:44] <ikonia> or do you actually mean unison
[18:45] <Fanshawe> ikonia: Nah, Unison, the file syncing program
[18:45] <ikonia> just checking, it's a common miss-wording
[18:45] <Fanshawe> I can imagine, no problem.
[18:45] <Fanshawe> Anyway, I can't get the damn thing to work.
[18:46] <ikonia> never really used it to be honest, not had reason to
[18:48] <Fanshawe> That's okay, I'll be looking for an answer while idling.
[19:00] <Fanshawe> There we go, I got it working. Just a misunderstanding and tweaking of the preference files.
[19:00] <Fanshawe> Thanks for your attention.
[19:45] <Caseyor> hey
[19:45] <truepurple> hi
[19:45] <Caseyor> I'd like some help if anyone is available
[19:45] <duanedesign> o/
[19:45] <Caseyor> I don't know if this is the right irc
[19:45] <Caseyor> channel for it
[19:45] <truepurple> Neither does anyone else if we don't have a clue what your problem is
[19:45] <Caseyor> sorry
[19:45] <Caseyor> :D
[19:46] <Caseyor> I'm not sure what distro to go with
[19:46] <Caseyor> and I was wondering if all the applications with ubuntu work with other distros
[19:46] <truepurple> seems like ##linux is a better one to ask in
[19:46] <Caseyor> k
[19:46] <Caseyor> I'll head there
[19:46] <duanedesign> Caseyor: all the buntus
[19:46] <Caseyor> but no others?
[19:47] <duanedesign> Caseyor: Debian, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu
[19:47] <duanedesign> Xubuntu
[19:47] <duanedesign> all use .deb packages
[19:47] <Caseyor> ok
[19:47] <truepurple> duanedesign, am I wrong to say that any linux program can be made to work with any other?
[19:47] <truepurple> I mean any distro
[19:47] <duanedesign> no it is possible
[19:48] <truepurple> But very hard and technical?
[19:48] <duanedesign> you can take the files from an RPM (Fedora) and repackage it in a deb
[19:48] <Caseyor> I've only really used ubuntu, so I'm not sure if I should go with another
[19:48] <truepurple> I am told that debian is like ubuntu, but minus unity, which alot of people don't like so much
[19:48] <Caseyor> :/
[19:48] <duanedesign> Caseyor: i like ubuntu. Kubuntu if you like lots of bling. Lubuntu if you are using an older computer
[19:49] <Caseyor> yea
[19:49] <Caseyor> unity wasn't great
[19:49] <truepurple> duanedesign, what do you think of debian?
[19:49] <Caseyor> I'm thinking lubuntu is what I should use
[19:49] <Caseyor> I can install the standard 11.10 on it
[19:49] <Caseyor> but it's not so great
[19:49] <duanedesign> I like Unity. The longer you use it the more you get used to it and it starts to make sense. IMHO
[19:50] <hobgoblin> pfft :p
[19:50] <duanedesign> the search replacing the menus makes a lot of sense
[19:50] <Caseyor> I don't want to change distros completely, but I'm not sure if I'd want Lubuntu
[19:50] <truepurple> Well I can't even get 3d to work, and I got a great high end video card
[19:50] <truepurple> and I hated the menus vanishing
[19:50] <hobgoblin> xubuntu is a lot like how I used to use ubuntu Caseyor
[19:50] <duanedesign> truepurple: I like Debian. b
[19:50] <truepurple> I guess you can get them back with special software, I wonder if you can get all of them back
[19:50] <truepurple> its a pain anyway
[19:50] <Caseyor> it makes sense, but I always prefer finding things in a hierarchy type fashion
[19:51] <Caseyor> what is xubuntu like though
[19:51] <truepurple> Well for someone who doesn't always even know what to look for, like me, the menus tell you what there is
[19:51] <Caseyor> I always see different version of ubuntu
[19:51] <Caseyor> but I don't quite understand it all
[19:52] <truepurple> And Caseyor you could just use live CDs/usb flash drives to try em out
[19:52] <Caseyor> Taht would be a better idea
[19:52] <Caseyor> If I were to chose a completely different distro, do you guys have any recomendations?
[19:52] <Caseyor> actually
[19:53] <truepurple> What do you mean by "completely different"?
[19:53] <Caseyor> what prevents people from using old versions of ubuntu
[19:53] <duanedesign> a debian based distro?
[19:53] <Caseyor> sorry, scratch that last one
[19:53] <Caseyor> last question
[19:53] <duanedesign> if i did not use ubuntu i would run Lubuntu
[19:53] <duanedesign> Mint seems to be popular
[19:53] <Caseyor> like if I were to use 8.04 or something
[19:53] <duanedesign> it is based on ubuntu
[19:54] <truepurple> duanedesign, I was told mint was ubuntu, with green skin, and that is all
[19:54] <duanedesign> if I did not use a debian based distro (shudders), I would use Fedora
[19:54] <Caseyor> ubuntu 8.04. Are programs not compatable with it, or there are bugs?
[19:54] <duanedesign> it also did not upgrade to Gnome 3 so it has the classic desktop
[19:54] <Caseyor> or other versions
[19:54] <duanedesign> truepurple: ^
[19:55] <Caseyor> but is it just the UI that changed?
[19:55] <truepurple> UI stands for?
[19:55] <Caseyor> I'd assume there's more to it
[19:55] <duanedesign> Caseyor: 8.04 i no longer supported
[19:55] <Caseyor> user interface
[19:56] <truepurple> duanedesign, was I told wrong about mint?
[19:56] <duanedesign> Caseyor: 8.04 is a release of Ubuntu. 8.04 was released in '08
[19:57] <duanedesign> and 11.04 was released in 2011
[19:57] <duanedesign> FYi
[19:57] <duanedesign> otta mmm, that used to be more true then it is now
[19:57] <Caseyor> I see
[19:57] <duanedesign> oops, tuxpurple^
[19:58] <duanedesign> sorry guys gotta get back to work.
[19:58] <duanedesign> been fun talking to you all o/
[19:58] <Caseyor> but say for 10.04 or 10.10. Do they have bugs, or is it just that they changed it to unity
[19:58] <Caseyor> bye
[19:58] <duanedesign> good luck picking a distro Caseyor
[19:58] <Caseyor> thanks
[19:58] <duanedesign> Caseyor: personally i would go for the newest version possible
[19:59] <Caseyor> ok
[19:59] <duanedesign> 11.04 has a Classic Mode if you do not want to use Unity
[20:00] <Caseyor> I'll look for that right now
[21:02] <bobweaver> when do you all think that ubuntu browser will be done ?
[21:02] <philipballew> bobweaver, what you mean?
[21:03] <bobweaver> I think that conanacail is making a browser
[21:03] <bobweaver> sorry about speeling
[21:03] <philipballew> its all good, I use chrome
[21:04] <bobweaver> philipballew: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=385    https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=384
[21:05] <bobweaver> just a guess but if they are tring to hire people for that then....
[21:06] <bobweaver> I also think that canonical is makeing something that reads bios and will make it so there is no more boot order
[21:06] <bobweaver> the live cd or usb will pick out for ya
[21:07] <bobweaver> just a guess
[21:07] <ikonia> nope
[21:08] <ikonia> bobweaver: you'll find that web browser stuff is probably (I don't know) for application interfaces, such as cloud control etc
[21:08] <bobweaver> thanks ikonia
[21:09] <ikonia> the only reason I could see ubuntu building it's own browser would be down to the issues with firefox's rolling approach, or to make a browser model for the mobile platform it's trying
[21:09] <ikonia> which doesn't seem wise to introduce "another" browser
[21:10] <bobweaver> mobile for ubuntu one as shuttleworth said tyhe phone is the intamate thing a person has
[21:10] <bobweaver> I really like where ubuntu is going with all of this
[21:10] <ikonia> but making and maintaining a browser for that seems roolish
[21:10] <ikonia> foolish
[21:10] <ikonia> I think it's lost sight
[21:10] <ikonia> I don't
[21:11] <ikonia> it can't maintain what it's got, it's 6 month rolling model isn't working beyond headlines, it's bug managment is unacceptable,
[21:11] <bobweaver> +1
[21:11] <ikonia> brining in more platforms at this point doesn't seem sensible, it appears to be riding the buzz wagon
[21:11] <ikonia> how can you +1 when you've just said you like where it's going
[21:12] <ikonia> that's a direct opposite to what I've said
[21:12] <bobweaver> just because I like where ubuntu/canonaical  is going dosent mean that I disagree with you
[21:12] <ikonia> errrr........but I've just said the opposite of "I like where canonical is going"
[21:12] <Unit193> Firefox seems to be making an OS now if that's what you mean (Got it mixed up or confused?)
[21:13] <bobweaver> I was more talking about the bug managment is unacceptable
[21:13] <ikonia> I'm not aware of firefox making an OS, but the rolling browser release is unmaintainable for operating systems, especially linux that has it as part of the desktop setup
[21:13] <ikonia> it's a total kill for business users
[21:13] <ikonia> so there is a massive serious userase dead
[21:13] <ikonia> userbase
[21:14] <ikonia> stupid lag
[21:17] <Unit193> ikonia: You're correct, https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
[21:37] <ikonia> Unit193: that wiki is an interesting read