[08:39] <KaZeR_W> hi there
[08:39] <KaZeR_W> i'd need some help with preseed :  i can't get it to honor some directive (e.g. do not ask for keyboard configuration)
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[15:03] <mpt> ev, did you ever see this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2011-October/000859.html
[15:05] <ev> weird, no
[15:15] <ev> bdmurray: I don't believe there is.  If apt-clone crashes, you'll surely see it in the logs (though it'll end up against the apt-clone package anyway.
[15:15] <ev> b
[15:15] <ev> but unless you run ubiquity in debug mode, you wont see what autopartitioning option you've selected
[15:42] <bdmurray> ev: what about "Oct 28 17:10:37 ubuntu AptDaemon: INFO: UpgradeSystem() was called with safe mode: 1"?
[15:43] <ev> oh, nice
[15:44] <bdmurray> So that seems reliable?
[15:44] <ev> looks it
[15:47] <bdmurray> cool, thanks
[19:06] <bdmurray> Do you know if mint modifies their install process significantly?  Should ubiquity bugs regarding mint just be moved to the linuxmint project?
[19:12] <ogra_> i think thats what i see colin do regulary with them
[19:22] <CarlFK> I want to post a statement in a bug report, which may be disputed and overruled, but it will be a starting point.
[19:22] <CarlFK> should packages installed into the target effect the install process?
[19:22] <CarlFK> in this case: I use a proxy: d-i mirror/http/proxy string http://chris:8000/
[19:23] <CarlFK> and then ask for a proxy manager? to be installed: d-i pkgsel/include string squid-deb-proxy-client
[19:23] <CarlFK> which errors when it tries to run in chroot /target
[19:23] <CarlFK> and ends up clobbering  http://chris:8000/
[19:25] <CarlFK> I think it comes down to: should the installer rely on /target being functional?
[19:38] <cjwatson> bdmurray: they should definitely be moved off ubuntu/ubiquity.  historically I've just closed them as invalid with an explanation, but now that we have distrosourcepackage->product reassignment, I agree we should do that
[19:38] <cjwatson> CarlFK: the installer should rely on /target being functional.  I think your previous bug is good enough, though; this is a one-off issue with squid-deb-proxy-client, and I don't think it's worth trying to solve generically - we'll just figure out how to deal with that issue
[19:39] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, I'll set up the bug bot to do that then but perhaps we should actually modify apport somehow
[19:40] <CarlFK> cjwatson: thanks.
[19:40] <cjwatson> possibly - although I think it is linuxmint's responsibility to sort this out, but maybe we should figure out how to get in touch with them
[19:40] <cjwatson> just as it was and remains our responsibility and not Debian's to stop our bug reports going to Debian
[19:41] <bdmurray> I see your point but I just ran across a ubiquity bug report from Commodore Vision OS and I don't think we can rely on every derived distribution to do the right thing here
[19:42]  * ogra_ saw that one too and was pondering 
[19:43] <ogra_> i guess thats one to just close
[19:43] <cjwatson> bdmurray: yeah, there's a principle/practicality line to draw
[19:44] <cjwatson> I suspect we should attempt to do both - contact the big ones, work around the small ones (and the big ones who ignore us)
[19:44] <cjwatson> after all it's presumably in their interests to hear about bugs installing their system
[19:46] <bdmurray> okay that make sense, I'll poke around our bugs and see which other distros they come from
[20:35] <superm1> bdmurray: it might be worthwhile to ask whoever works on linux mint's deviations in the installer to idle in here and to subscribe to ubiquity bugs
[20:36] <superm1> might be able to get them to push the things they change up, or at least understand what they're doing differently and why