[09:25] <HakanS> Are there any rules about who can start a channel on freenode, which is named ubuntu-(something)?
[09:25] <HakanS> There is a person that har registered the channel #ubuntu-se-offtopic. I do not want Ubuntu to be associated with the discussions in that channel (drugs, crime etc.).
[09:27] <jpds> Nafallo: ↑
[10:26] <Nafallo> jpds: no. it's not mine.
[10:30] <Myrtti> interesting
[10:30] <Myrtti> aytovoice and all
[10:52] <jpds> Nafallo: Yes, that's the problem.
[10:52] <Nafallo> jpds: I don't want it :-)
[10:53] <Nafallo> jpds: feel free to put that channel in a chemical fire, together with some HPPA architecture machines.
[11:36] <HakanS> Anything we can do about it?
[12:44] <AlanBell> HakanS: do you know who set it up?
[12:47] <k1l> AlanBell: /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-se-offtopic
[12:48] <AlanBell> HakanS: by which I mean, do you know einand?
[12:50] <HakanS> AlanBell: Not really. I have spoken to him some times on IRC.
[12:50] <AlanBell> is he available and willing to help shut down the channel?
[12:51] <AlanBell> it was done over a year ago, I suspect not with the intent of the current problematic behaviour
[12:52] <AlanBell> freenode staff can help get founder access and shut the channel down if not
[13:01] <HakanS> AlanBell: Sorry. Can you repeat your last question?
[13:01] <AlanBell> is he available and willing to help shut down the channel?
[13:08] <HakanS> AlanBell: He is willing to shut it down or hand it over if the ubuntu ops (you) ask him to do so. Not if anyone in our loco ask him.
[13:10] <HakanS> He says it's a free and independent channel.
[13:12] <Myrtti> well it's not per freenode policy
[13:12] <Myrtti> it's underneath the Ubuntu namespace
[13:13] <AlanBell> ok, sounds like an irc council issue then
[13:13] <Myrtti> and by some interpretations it's underneath the Swedish LoCo namespace
[13:18] <Myrtti> my Swedish skills are woefully underused
[13:21] <m4v> I don't think the Swedish LoCo has a GC, so freenode would only help the IRCC.
[13:21] <Myrtti> and IRCC would probably ask the Swedish LoCo about their opinions
[13:21] <Myrtti> it's not a decision that the IRCC can do without consulting the LoCo
[13:22] <Myrtti> atleast IMHO
[13:32] <Myrtti> topyli: what are your thoughts
[13:33] <Myrtti> topyli: I was going to suggest HakanS could collect examples of behaviour that he thinks aren't appropriate for the channel and brings them up in meetings of perhaps both Swedish LoCo and IRCC
[13:53] <topyli> Myrtti: technically the council owns the namespace, but since this is in swedish territory i would like the swedish loco try and get control first. we'll back them up as necessary
[13:54] <Myrtti> topyli: ♥
[13:54] <Myrtti> so in essence pretty much what I thought
[13:54] <topyli> the council is not on the access list, we'd have to ask for freenode support if it should come to that
[13:54] <topyli> Myrtti: yep
[13:55] <Myrtti> btw the owner of the channel is contemplating on registering a new channel in another namespace and making a banforward to that
[13:56] <Myrtti> tried to advice not to do that without discussing it with other interested people like the councils and loco first
[13:56] <Myrtti> but don't know if it stuck
[13:56] <topyli> that's not a very good plan, the original channel is in the ubuntu namespace and no-one should use it as a launchpad to somewhere out of our control
[13:58] <Myrtti> inorite
[13:58] <topyli> the owner should either drop the channel, or get control of the situation and add the irc council to access list
[13:59] <topyli> (and freenode staff as well)
[16:38] <AlanBell> Flannel: I can't get the survey save/restore stuff working something is misconfigured, but I did reset your token
[16:38] <AlanBell> you should have a new mail (or the old one will work again)
[16:39] <AlanBell> and I turned off the option to save that survey for the moment until I figure out where the problem really is
[19:27] <truepurple> Where do you go to appeal above ubuntu-ops?
[19:33] <DJones> !appeals
[19:33] <DJones> Hmmh, no bot
[19:34] <DJones> From what the bot should say "If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still  unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you  feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on  the aforementioned page.
[19:34] <Myrtti> :-( laggy bot
[19:34] <DJones> Very
[20:14] <bodhi_zazen> Just wanted to let you all know, zkriesse has an Ubuntu cloak and is trolling in #fedora
[20:14] <bodhi_zazen> some of the #fedora ops have complained to me as I used to have an ubuntu cloak
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> This behavior makes Ubuntu look bad and has reflected poorly on me
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> I spoke with zkriesse about the incidents as polite as I could, but s/he seems determined to continue to be disruptive on #fedora
[20:15] <pleia2> not sure what should happen in these cases WRT irc involvement, but I'll send him a message myself
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> I will do what I can to head off a more formal complaint
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> thanks pleia2 , it has been bad
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> trolling on #fedora and blogging about it, the fedora folks are moderately upset
[20:17] <k1l> bodhi_zazen: if he is not behaving among the channel rules he shouldt get a kick/ban imho
[20:17] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: do you know where his blog is?
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> I suggested they k/b him next time, I am giving you all a heads up only because zkriesse has an ubuntu cloak
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: The blog has been deleted
[20:18] <pleia2> ok, thanks
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: I think a PM from you would be sufficient at this time, much appreciated
[20:24] <pleia2> he's not responding
[20:25] <pleia2> it's a problem for Ubuntu Members to do this though, so I'll follow up in email too if I don't get a reply
[21:11] <aeon-ltd> is the ubottu (or the bot developer) for #ubuntu here?
[21:12] <topyli> aeon-ltd: try #ubuntu-bots-devel
[21:12] <topyli> hm wait, is that correct? maybe :)
[21:12] <aeon-ltd> topyli: thanks
[21:27] <DJones> It may be #ubuntu-bots as well