[01:17] <xjjk> hello, the PPA for Aurora says "publishing disabled" https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora
[01:17] <xjjk> is that good or bad, and does it means there won't be Aurora builds anymore?
[11:58] <mtu> heyas.  the firefox-stable PPA shows FF8 as built but not published. you probably hear this question all the time, but when is it going to be released?
[12:00] <xjjk> well, 1) you shouldn't need the firefox-stable PPA
[12:01] <xjjk> and 2) there's a bug I think they're working on
[12:01] <xjjk> publishing disabled for beta and aurora as well, bah
[12:04] <xjjk> https://bugs.lauhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/888307 that, afaikchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/888307
[12:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 888307 in thunderbird "Bundled Firefox extensions disabled on upgrade to 8.0" [Critical,Fix committed]
[12:04] <xjjk> er https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/888307
[12:05] <mtu> xjjk: i'm on 10.04 because my university says i must be, so for FF8 i think i do need the PPA. or am i mistaken?
[12:05] <xjjk> mtu: I'm unsure for 10.04
[12:06] <xjjk> mtu: for recent versions of Ubuntu, the policy was to update Firefox as part of backports, i.e. no PPA needed
[12:06] <xjjk> Canonical didn't want to support old versions of Firefox
[12:06] <xjjk> I don't know if that retroactively applied to 10.04
[12:08] <mtu> i'm afraid the repos for 10.04 still hold only 3.6
[12:09] <mtu> but all right, now i know where the delay comes from, so i'll check again in abit
[12:10] <xjjk> mtu: did you check backports?
[12:11] <mtu> checking...
[12:13] <xjjk> mmm, I don't see it
[12:13] <mtu> nah. amarok, gdm, irssi, some i18n stuff, but no FF8 in backports
[12:14] <mtu> between you and me, i'd be using ubuntuzilla like on my ancient 9.10 laptop, but this is a 64 bit system...
[12:16] <xjjk> yah doesn't apply to 10.04 I guess
[12:19] <mtu> all right, thanks for the info
[12:19] <mtu> seeyas
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, hah, saw your tweet about the control panel. we even distro-patch extra options in to it in ubuntu!
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> (eg, a simple theme switcher plus extra power options)
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> you're not the first person to comment ;)
[13:51] <bhearsum> wow, so the regular one is even more crippled?
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah. you can't even configure the "lid close" action in the stock one
[13:52] <bhearsum> crickey
[13:52] <bhearsum> so....dare i ask how do i something simple like how to change my display timeout settings?
[13:53] <bhearsum> or more generally, how do i configure all of the things i used to be able to?
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> good question ;)
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember if it's "Display" or "Screen" that you need. why on earth there are 2 panels is beyond me ;)
[13:53] <bhearsum> Screen!
[13:54] <bhearsum> thank you kind sir
[13:54] <bhearsum> the best part about linux is how everything gets rewritten every few years, once things become difficult
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:59] <bhearsum> how are you doing?
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[14:01] <bhearsum> about as good as can be expected given that 8.0.1 is spinning :)
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:01] <bhearsum> are you guys going to skip 8.0.1?
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. i guess that's up to micahg :)
[14:01] <bhearsum> ahhh
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't look like there's anything for us in it
[14:02] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:02] <bhearsum> totally windows and mac vendor crap
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> g'ah - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/2927491
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> 7 hours!
[14:03] <bhearsum> oh, 7 hours just waiting :(
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> the builds have been broken all weekend, i would like to unbreak them today :)
[14:03] <bhearsum> ah
[14:03] <bhearsum> what happened?
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311007 landed and broke my extension
[14:04] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 311007 in Document Navigation "state change events not fired without a channel" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:07] <bhearsum> ah
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm used to these types of breakages now :)
[14:08] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:09] <bhearsum> did you figure out what you're going to do about the no-global-extensions thing yet?
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> we've disabled the upgrade dialog entirely, after talking to kev last week
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> we found quite a few bugs with it
[14:10] <bhearsum> ah
[14:10] <bhearsum> so you're just disabling the feature entirely?
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> ie, it disables all extensions outside of your profile, but it only appears if you have extensions installed outside of the application directory. so, if you only have extensions inside the application directory, they don't get disabled
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> but if you have extensions in your profile + some in the application directory, the extensions in the application directory will get disabled
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> really inconsistent behaviour ;)
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, we just set the pref which says that the dialog has been displayed before
[14:12] <bhearsum> ahhhh
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> the upgrade dialog also ignores extensions.autoDisableScopes too (which is the problem we were having)
[14:13] <bhearsum> ahhhh
[14:13] <bhearsum> well good! i'm glad that's all sorted out
[14:13] <bhearsum> i was getting worried there for a bit
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too :)
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> it would be nice if things didn't change quite so late in the beta cycle though :-)
[14:15] <bhearsum> tell me about it
[14:15] <bhearsum> just be thankful all this silent/background update stuff doesn't affect you!
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> it was made worse for us this cycle as well because the change happened during the week before UDS
[14:16] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> and i typically don't get anything done during that week
[14:16] <bhearsum> i'm really sad we're not sticking to our commitment of no feature changes after Nightly
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i was hoping that people would be more disciplined about that :)
[14:17] <bhearsum> especially when it comes to this update stuff, there's a lot of pressure coming from user engagement folks and some people from the top
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the update stuff is especially scary
[14:18] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> we discussed quality in ubuntu quite a bit at UDS
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> which is something we haven't been that great with in recent releases
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping that is going to improve a lot this cycle :)
[16:06] <micahg> bhearsum: chrisccoulson: since I didn't push or build 8.0, I figured I'd push 8.0.1 since 7.0.1 people upstream will get it
[16:10] <micahg> xjjk: 10.04 will jump on the rapid release bandwagon close to the end of life of 3.6 (which is now scheduled for Apr 2012, but subject to change)
[16:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there a reason publishing is still disabled on the PPAs?
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg, which PPA's?
[16:11] <bhearsum> ah
[16:11] <micahg> well, aurora, beta, and stable were disabled (presumably while you were fixing the addons issue)
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> aurora is disabled i've still not had a chance to test the first build yet (which hasn't actually happened, because the bot has been failing to create them)
[16:12] <micahg> ah, I guess you're just waiting for everythign to build
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> beta is disabled until i've got all the 9.0 bits ready
[16:16] <micahg> right, ok, makes sense
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the good news is the chrisbot finally got chromium uploaded to the stable PPA :)
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> hah
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> i haven't been keeping much of an eye on that
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> i think the nightlies are still broken aren't they?
[16:19] <micahg> yeah, I'll get to it when I can
[16:19] <micahg> it was a crazy weekend for me
[17:07] <jceajcea> hi
[17:07] <jceajcea> I have ubuntu 10.04 with firefox-stable PPA
[17:07] <jceajcea> I have installer Firefox 7.0.1 (from that PPA)
[17:08] <jceajcea> but it is not offering the new FF 8.0.
[17:08] <jceajcea> Checking the PPA, I dn't see changes since late september, so the firefox-stable PPA seems not to be updated
[17:08] <jceajcea> Any info about this?
[17:10] <bhearsum> micahg was just saying that it's going to get 8.0.1 soon, i think
[17:11] <micahg> jceajcea: no, it'll get 8.0 soon
[17:11] <micahg> we're just waiting for stuff to build there
[17:11] <micahg> natty and oneiric will get 8.0.1
[17:12] <jceajcea> I am with 10.04. Will I get 8.0.1 eventually?
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> no
[17:12] <jceajcea> ubuntu 10.04, that is
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> 8.0.1 only has mac and windows specific fixes in it
[17:13] <jceajcea> SO Ubuntu 10.04 will get 8.0 "soon"?
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> when it's built
[17:13] <jceajcea> ETA?
[17:13]  * jceajcea a btit worried because the week delay so far :-)
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sucks. we had a last minute problem last week and then i was away all weekend since thursday evening, so nothing progressed
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> and now most of the PPA builders are offline
[17:16] <jceajcea> Ok. Understood. I was a bit worried about the delay and because in https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable they say "Publishing has been disabled for this archive.".
[17:16] <jceajcea> I stand corrected and now I know that I only have to wait a "little bit" more
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> that's because of bug 888307
[17:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 888307 in thunderbird "Bundled Firefox extensions disabled on upgrade to 8.0" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888307
[17:18] <jceajcea> Cam I do something to speed this up a bit?
[17:18] <jceajcea> can
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> find out where all the PPA builders went? ;)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> j/k
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> no, there's not really anything you can do, but thanks :)
[17:20] <jceajcea> Crossing fingers to get the update "soon". I cant wait for the "tab load on demand" (500 tabs here, folks .-)
[17:20] <jceajcea> OK. Thanks for your time and attention. Your effort is greatly appreciated.
[17:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do the stable branches need you tarball generation fixes or are they for 9+?
[17:47]  * micahg is about to generate 8.01
[17:47] <micahg> err...8.0.1
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, is launchpad not working properly?
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> i can't push any bzr branches
[18:48] <micahg> I just pushed 2
[20:50] <cousin_luigi> hello
[20:50] <micahg> hi cousin_luigi
[20:50] <cousin_luigi> any news about ff8 on oneiric?
[20:51] <micahg> yes, builds are going now, will test later today and release either late tonight or early tomorrow
[20:52] <cousin_luigi> oh, good to hear that, thank you
[20:52] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> w00t, i can drop the SDK from firefox now
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> well, other than npapi headers
[23:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is the SDK no more or we just don't need it?
[23:59] <chrisccoulson> we don't need it