| infinity | GrueMaster: Looking. | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| cjwatson | GrueMaster: fixing | 00:02 |
| cjwatson | :-) | 00:02 |
| cjwatson | it's flipped over to universe again for some reason, bloody thing | 00:03 |
| infinity | Yeah, I assumed that was the issue. :P | 00:03 |
| cjwatson | I've thrown it back to main | 00:03 |
| infinity | Cheers. | 00:03 |
| cjwatson | infinity: (sorry, I'd already started when you said that) | 00:03 |
| * infinity hits ^C. | 00:03 | |
| infinity | cjwatson: No big deal, I'd just logged into cocoplum, run madison-lite, and started typing chang<tab> | 00:04 |
| infinity | cjwatson: So, you were clearly 13 seconds ahead. ;) | 00:04 |
| doko | infinity, no, you were 13 seconds late ;-P | 00:05 |
| infinity | Pessimist. | 00:06 |
| doko | btw, what about arhf? | 00:06 |
| doko | armhf even | 00:06 |
| infinity | arwuff. | 00:06 |
| cjwatson | I think I'll stage the main parts of perl 5.14 in the ubuntu-toolchain-r PPA | 00:06 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Shiny. | 00:07 |
| infinity | doko: Oh, where is eglibc/ubuntu bzr these days? | 00:07 |
| infinity | doko: I wanted to make some armhf commits. | 00:07 |
| doko | cjwatson, I don't care about precise, but I would like to see this stuff in ubuntu-toolchain-r/test | 00:07 |
| doko | infinity, please prepare for 2.15, it's in cvs | 00:08 |
| doko | bzr even | 00:08 |
| infinity | doko: Where? | 00:09 |
| cjwatson | doko: not /staging? | 00:09 |
| doko | infinity, the packaging vcs should tell you | 00:10 |
| infinity | doko: Debian SVN? | 00:11 |
| infinity | doko: That doesn't carry any ubuntu tags, so I'm assuming not. | 00:12 |
| doko | cjwatson, should be ok as well. staging however is private (misunderstanding by my side). I'd like to have ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa workable for stable releases. so I don't care about the current development release, but will revert anything to the released (major) versions of a stable release. | 00:13 |
| cjwatson | oh, ok, so /test is a usable playground for staging things on their way into precise? | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | I want to have somewhere I can sync the perl source from unstable into, rebuild a few key packages against it, and then bulk-copy those all into precise | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | I could do it directly in precise, but it's a little disruptive until the most important few packages get rebuilt | 00:15 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Basically just the debconf rdeps? | 00:16 |
| cjwatson | those are the most important; I was going to go a little further out | 00:16 |
| * infinity used to have debconf-english in the buildd chroots for that reason. Perl transitions suck. | 00:17 | |
| infinity | I don't know if lamont's continued that tradition. | 00:17 |
| infinity | Or is there no such thing anymore? | 00:17 |
| cjwatson | that's no longer a problem | 00:17 |
| cjwatson | debconf-english is gone, debconf recommends debconf-i18n | 00:17 |
| infinity | Ahh, so I see. | 00:17 |
| infinity | Yay. | 00:17 |
| cjwatson | so it shouldn't explode builds any more; but I'd still like to avoid chaos in e.g. ubuntu-desktop | 00:18 |
| doko | infinity, eglibc should be ready or commits i you are in the right team. if not, please consider to change ;-P | 00:20 |
| cjwatson | so the order should be: perl / liblocale-gettext-perl libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libfont-freetype-perl libglib-perl libuuid-perl / libcairo-perl / libpango-perl / libgtk2-perl | 00:21 |
| infinity | doko: That was the most German thing you've said all day. | 00:21 |
| infinity | doko: But I found it at lp:ubuntu/eglibc, yes. I thought it still lived under ubuntu-toolchain, but clearly not. | 00:21 |
| cjwatson | which by my reading gets us all of ubuntu-desktop | 00:21 |
| doko | infinity, sorry, I can't even deny | 00:21 |
| infinity | doko: And when are you hoping to get 2.15 in? | 00:22 |
| cjwatson | main is a bit more than that, 71 source packages with binaries depending on /perlapi-5.12/ | 00:22 |
| cjwatson | I don't know if I want to bother staging everything there | 00:23 |
| infinity | doko: On the one hand, I'd like to focus my work here. On the other hand, if I need to support 2.13 on armhf for the next week or so, I need to make sure both work right. | 00:23 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Not like many are large or cumbersome. | 00:23 |
| doko | infinity, waiting for your merge of Steve McIntyres's patch for armel/armhf distinction | 00:24 |
| cjwatson | indeed. | 00:24 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Does mod_perl still have a strange forward/reverse dep tree of doom? | 00:24 |
| infinity | doko: Is that all you're waiting on for a 2.15 upload? | 00:24 |
| infinity | doko: If so, I'll test 2.15 here on armhf and commit my changes. | 00:25 |
| doko | infinity, no, cjwatson did report some vm issues | 00:28 |
| doko | kvm even | 00:28 |
| cjwatson | http://paste.ubuntu.com/738799/ | 00:29 |
| infinity | Right, so I need to make sure 2.13's working right first. Which means a -20ubuntu6 upload. | 00:29 |
| cjwatson | seems to be building | 00:29 |
| cjwatson | infinity: I don't remember - you mean stuff that needed to be in sync with it? | 00:30 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Yeah. Though I might be thinking of BDB transitions, not perl ones, come to think of it. | 00:30 |
| infinity | BDB led to apache/php/mod_perl/perl/python/mod_python/subversion all being irritatingly in lockstep. | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | looks like that's just libbsd-resource-perl libhtml-parser-perl / libapache2-mod-perl2 / libapache-authenhook-perl libapreq2 | 00:32 |
| cjwatson | subversion's in level2, guess I could do that | 00:32 |
| doko | infinity, feel free to make nay .2.13 uploads | 00:33 |
| wgrant | cjwatson, infinity: Any idea how that ports kernel was copied? | 00:40 |
| wgrant | Also, the binaries in -security are still in universe | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | wgrant: no idea, my guess is pitti might know | 00:40 |
| wgrant | Ah, new ABI, so I guess it just defaulted to universe. | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | oh, I'll fix -security now | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | it's really irritating, this keeps leaking out and causing users problems | 00:41 |
| wgrant | The new copy mechanism throws things into NEW if they are missing overrides. | 00:43 |
| wgrant | But it's not used by everything yet. | 00:43 |
| infinity | wgrant: I still wish that sources in main would have binary overrides default to main. | 00:52 |
| infinity | wgrant: I'm almost sure I have a bug filed about that. | 00:52 |
| infinity | From 1993 or something. | 00:52 |
| infinity | Or do I... | 00:54 |
| infinity | Ahh, I didn't file it. | 00:55 |
| infinity | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/192076 | 00:55 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 192076 in launchpad "component of new binary packages should default to source component (heat: 2)" [Low,Triaged] | 00:55 |
| cjwatson | It's going to be a while before perl finishes building everywhere in ~ubuntu-toolchain-r/test, so I'll pick it up in the morning, and copy over to precise once I have a respectable set built. | 00:58 |
| cjwatson | Night. | 00:58 |
| infinity | cjwatson: 'Night. | 00:58 |
| cjwatson | (Hopefully nobody needs ~ubuntu-toolchain-r/test much between now and then; it might be a little unstable.) | 00:59 |
| lamont | buildd maintenence | 09:19 |
| cjwatson | lamont: thanks - do you have a rough ETA? | 09:58 |
| lamont | cjwatson: soon | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | ok :) | 09:59 |
| lamont | right. buildd maintenence round 2 | 10:32 |
| lamont | cjwatson: you have slangasek-happiness on all of the archive builders | 10:55 |
| lamont | I still need to do !i386 ppa builders | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | lamont: ah, excellent, thanks | 10:59 |
| * cjwatson gives back acl | 11:00 | |
| cjwatson | lamont: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acl/2.2.51-4ubuntu1/+build/2926721 - woo | 11:04 |
| * cjwatson gives back attr and popt too | 11:04 | |
| lamont | cjwatson: coolness | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | perl 5.14 copied into precise, along with enough to keep minimal + build-essential + standard + ubuntu-desktop installable | 12:50 |
| cjwatson | once that publishes I'll upload the first level of rebuilds | 12:50 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: Has anyone checked the ubuntu server seeds? | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | wouldnt that be a server team task ? | 13:22 |
| cjwatson | infinity: perl 5.14 in precise now (pending mirror push) | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: I'm going to rebuild everything anyway | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | I was just trying to reduce breakage for upgraders | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | ogra_: no, I'm coordinating the perl transition | 13:25 |
| ogra_ | ah | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | I didn't want to stage everything through a non-virtualised PPA because our tools for managing that kind of thing are still really pretty primitive | 13:26 |
| Daviey | ogra_: I wasn't offloading, but it seems that some work has sniffed potential issues.. Rather than replicating work, it seemed a good idea to get a status update from the person driving it. :) | 13:28 |
| cjwatson | so I just arranged to avoid the bulk of problems for the first stage, which I think are more likely to hit desktop than server; server will be sorted out soon enough, and the normal LP build scheduler will build main before universe as a general rule | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | Daviey, yeah, sorry, i missed some context due to reconnect | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | i was thinking checking the seeds in general for precise | 13:28 |
| Daviey | ah. ok :) | 13:29 |
| cjwatson | "some work has sniffed potential issues"? | 13:29 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: "along with enough to keep minimal + build-essential + standard + ubuntu-desktop installable" .. i assumed that required some sniffing? | 13:35 |
| Daviey | Really, what i was trying to work out - what is the impact for the server? Do i need to do anything. | 13:35 |
| Daviey | :) | 13:35 |
| cjwatson | you don't need to do anything. I was just looking through Task fields for the highest-priority rebuilds | 13:38 |
| cjwatson | the main part of the rebuild should be done by the next server image rebuild; that's why I timed it as I did | 13:39 |
| cjwatson | though I must say, my upstream rate suddenly dropping to 182kbps was not terribly helpful | 13:41 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | oh bugger | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | doko: so, uh, building in ubuntu-toolchain-r/test wasn't necessarily brilliant, because it built against the current libc :-/ | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | in that PPA | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | lamont: help, I'm going to need a rescue on amd64 | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | actually no I'm not | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | I'll just put all the amd64 builders on manual | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl, libcairo-perl, and libglib-perl have the same problem; so it'll take three publisher runs in all to sort this out :-/ | 13:59 |
| cjwatson | guess I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day | 13:59 |
| lamont | cjwatson: you're all sorted? | 14:11 |
| cjwatson | FSVO sorted that include "I think I can untangle this without admin intervention" | 14:12 |
| cjwatson | if allspice has a go-faster button then you could press it | 14:13 |
| cjwatson | And of course now perl/amd64 will be uninstallable because it needs the build1 to finish building on i386. I'm cursed. | 14:43 |
| cjwatson | But at least perl-base/amd64 should be installable after this publisher run | 14:43 |
| cjwatson | But that won't help builds since perl is in the build chroot so if I build before it's installable then it will just get held back and build with 5.12 ... | 14:44 |
| * cjwatson 's head explodes | 14:45 | |
| cjwatson | I'll just have to do another manual publisher run more or less right after this one. | 14:46 |
| cjwatson | 20 minutes to go for perl/i386 | 14:47 |
| * skaet is glad this is happening now, rather than later in the cycle. | 14:49 | |
| cjwatson | Yeah, I wouldn't have attempted it much later | 14:50 |
| cjwatson | lamont: I think I will want rerolled chroots a bit later today, but not right now | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | lamont: (it's more reliable to have perl-base 5.14 in the chroots, because that way we don't get builds where perl-base is held back but it manages to build anyway) | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | right now that would break amd64 though | 14:56 |
| cjwatson | amd64 builders back on auto - I think it's safe enough again now | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | wohoo | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | congrats | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | not that it's safe to upgrade, but the worst of it is untangled | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | thats what i meant :) | 15:43 |
| skaet | :) | 16:00 |
| slangasek | lamont: yay, so I can upload bash too now :) | 16:05 |
| slangasek | and should probably check on getting Debian's autobuilders updated for this | 16:05 |
| lamont | slangasek: cjwatson: skaet: I need a small window where I can have syncproxy down - any particular time better than others? | 16:14 |
| * slangasek defers to cjwatson | 16:15 | |
| skaet | skaet defers to cjwatson too | 16:15 |
| lamont | what time of the hour is usually quietest? | 16:21 |
| skaet | usually end of day in north america is fairly quiet, as long as cjwatson isn't working late. | 16:22 |
| lamont | heh | 16:22 |
| lamont | I meant more "when does the publisher trigger the archive each hour?" | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | about :30-ish | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | except for at the moment when I'm running it manually | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | whenabouts do you need to do it? | 16:30 |
| lamont | oh, awesome. | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | and how long will it take? | 16:31 |
| lamont | I need about 5 min of quiet time with them | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | you can have it now if you like | 16:31 |
| lamont | thanks | 16:31 |
| lamont | taking it now | 16:31 |
| lamont | cjwatson: if you would be so kind as to trigger, I shall watch it | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | I'll just start a publisher run, it should trigger near the start and I need one anyway | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | (it triggers near start and end) | 16:37 |
| lamont | sigh | 16:37 |
| lamont | unsigh | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | triggered | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | was that ok? | 16:38 |
| lamont | that's what I'm pondering | 16:38 |
| lamont | cjwatson: arp caches suck. just sayin | 16:54 |
| lamont | cjwatson: tell me the next time it triggers? | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | should be a few minutes | 16:59 |
| * lamont wanders for just a couple. tailing your log file, too, fwiw | 16:59 | |
| lamont | b' | 17:02 |
| lamont | yay germinate | 17:03 |
| cjwatson | lamont: triggered | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | (belatedly) | 17:07 |
| lamont | and running along just fine | 17:07 |
| lamont | \o/ | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | I'll be fixing the germinate stage this cycle | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | to not take so long | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | publisher back on auto | 17:10 |
| micahg | re firefox> if precise will be getting 9.0 beta 1 soon, and 8.0 and 8.0.1 are functionally the same for linux, do I need to upload 8.0.1 to precise before pushing 8.0.1 to natty/oneiric? | 17:27 |
| micahg | precise has 8.0 now | 17:27 |
| slangasek | micahg: how soon is "soon"? | 17:28 |
| micahg | only chrisccoulson can answer that one, when he finishes porting stuff for 9.0 | 17:28 |
| slangasek | chrisccoulson: how soon is 9.0beta1? | 17:28 |
| chrisccoulson | in a couple of hours | 17:28 |
| micahg | oh then it might be moot by the time I'm ready :) | 17:29 |
| slangasek | micahg: yeah, don't bother uploading to precise :) | 17:29 |
| micahg | slangasek: thanks | 17:29 |
| slangasek | chrisccoulson: oh, was that the eta for the upstream release, or for your upload to precise? | 17:29 |
| chrisccoulson | slangasek, for my upload. the release was last week, but i'm a bit behind this week | 17:29 |
| slangasek | ok | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | it's blocked on me waiting for it to build here so i can make sure it works :) | 17:30 |
| popey | is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RReleaseSchedule supposed to be accurateish? | 22:15 |
| popey | the dates of UDS in that page look wrong, 8th Nov which is a thursday | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | popey, have a look in the column header :-) | 22:24 |
| * popey hangs his head ins hame | 22:27 | |
| popey | and shame | 22:27 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 22:30 |
| * cjwatson is curious who tried an Ubuntu live CD build an hour or so ago | 23:46 | |
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