[04:20] <ixxvil> hi
[04:20] <ixxvil> there are no decent audio players that have upnp client capabilities
[04:20] <ixxvil> in ubuntu
[04:20] <ixxvil> or are there any
[07:19] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:20] <czajkowski> Aloha
[07:51] <awilkins> Ugh, train travel.
[07:53] <awilkins> At least they put on a 3 car train this morning. Most of us have to stand, but not on the crushed corpses of our fellow cattle^W passengers^W customers
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> oh they do that in the uk too?
[08:07] <popey> Morning
[08:16] <daubers> Morning
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:18] <awilkins> *grunt*
[08:44] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,.
[08:44] <popey> It is.
[08:44] <brobostigon> yes :)
[08:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning mediamgl
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:10] <brobostigon> sorry mediamgl
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Morning brobostigon
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Apologising for wishing people a good morning? How British ;)
[09:12] <brobostigon> i didnt mean to highlight him, that being the issue.
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> ah
[09:15] <hoover> morning all!
[09:19] <mattt> morning guys
[09:19] <MooDoo> morn
[09:30] <Myrtti> 3bleh
[09:31] <MooDoo> that good eh Myrtti
[09:33] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:48] <MooDoo> quiet in here this morning
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning, one and all! :)
[09:55] <bigcalm> I'm busy writing about my pen & ink delivered this morning :)
[09:56] <MooDoo> bigcalm: literally?  pen and ink?
[10:00] <daubers> bigcalm: Decent pen?
[10:01] <bigcalm> My thoughts on new pen & ink: http://cuth.eu/fpink
[10:03] <MooDoo> i've heard of this new technology :)
[10:03] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:04] <bigcalm> MooDoo: literally pen and ink :) Though the thoughts are now pixels
[10:06] <bigcalm> So glad that I moved the Ubuntu UK loco email list into its own folder on gmail. My phone doesn't bleat at me every 5 mins now
[10:06] <MooDoo> hehe
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> nntp (gmane.org) FTW!
[10:07] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: ?
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I read the mailing list via gmane.
[10:08] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Don't get any spam in my inbox(es).
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/spam/quality discussions
[10:10] <gord> i have imapfilter idle on my email server filtering things away, works nicely
[10:12] <BigRedS> Oh. That sounds like it's less irritating to configure than sieve
[10:13] <BigRedS> and substantially more complete than my hacked-together pile of perl to not really do the same thing
[10:20] <Myrtti> bigcalm: everyone doesnt have mailinglists filtered in gmail? whoa.
[10:20] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Everybody does now
[10:21] <BigRedS> I used to, until I got really annoyed with gmail not really doing imap
[10:21] <MooDoo> gmail does do imap doesn't it
[10:21] <popey> not properly
[10:26] <dogmatic69> how can i set a higher ulimit for apache?
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> apache has a ulimit?
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> I'd check /etc/security/limits.conf
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> or some module/config inside apache itself
[10:27] <Myrtti> I just installed gm-notify and gnome-gmail on my oneiric tablet, tweaked the code a bit and am quite happy with the end result
[10:27] <MooDoo> heard of rlimitmem for apache
[10:28] <gord> i like gmails approach to email filtering, makes it real easy to make a rule
[10:31] <bigcalm> gord: I'm with you on that
[10:31] <dogmatic69> my server keeps throwing 502 errors and i think it has something to do with the limit on open files
[10:32] <Myrtti> I just keep finding reasons to use gmail
[10:33] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: do the logs not explain?
[10:33] <dogmatic69> well there is a cherokee reverse proxy -> apache php server
[10:33] <BigRedS> Myrtti: the only one I've found is that sieve is a PITA to get running, and _no_ mail client will just download mail without intervention
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: offlineimap
[10:33] <dogmatic69> cherokee keeps taking the apache server off line, even though the traffic is low
[10:33] <dogmatic69> it only happens with file uploads
[10:33] <Myrtti> https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/?mui=ca is my current ♥ reason
[10:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, I keep pondering that
[10:34] <BigRedS> but it seems wrong. Mail clients should be able to collect mail all by themselves
[10:35] <BigRedS> Myrtti: what is it?
[10:36] <MooDoo> offline email?
[10:37] <Myrtti> yes, but also touch friendly
[10:37] <BigRedS> oh, it offered to save something to disk. So it's offline webmail?
[10:37] <Myrtti> yup
[10:37] <BigRedS> That feels a lot like solving a problem that doesn't exist.
[10:37] <BigRedS> unless it's a mail client that *does* download mail all by itself
[10:39] <Myrtti> I care less about the offline
[10:39] <Myrtti> and more about the touchfriendly
[10:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Monday has been and gone, do we have further thoughts on the xmas meal?
[10:41] <bigcalm> 10:40 and I only just notice that Skype isn't running :S
[10:41] <bigcalm> Whoops
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> "It uh.. must have crashed. Yes that's it. Crashed."
[10:49] <MooDoo> where is davmor2 when you want to annoy him?
[10:51] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I'll be doing plenty of that on Thursday
[10:51] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you meeting him in person?
[10:52] <bigcalm> MooDoo: workplace day in Wolverhampton
[10:52] <MooDoo> bigcalm: punch him on the arm for me :D
[10:52] <bigcalm> I think I might be the only non-Canonical person there
[10:56] <Nafallo> bigcalm: nah. there are plenty we haven't hired yet.
[10:57] <Myrtti> :-(
[11:01] <MooDoo> canonical recruitment drive :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> Nafallo: _there_ as in the workplace day on Thursday. Not _here_
[11:02] <Nafallo> oh. right.
[11:03] <bigcalm> :)
[11:04] <gord> where am i going on thursday again? something about a lighthouse?
[11:04] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:05] <bigcalm> gord: http://light-house.co.uk/visit/getting-here/
[11:06] <MooDoo> blimey last time i went to wolverhapton was for a lug radio live :)
[11:06] <bigcalm> Same place
[11:07] <bigcalm> (except for the last one)
[11:24] <bigcalm> gord: have you been to the lighthouse before?
[11:25] <gord> nope
[11:25] <bigcalm> Ok, I got a little confused going there for the 1st time
[11:26] <Dave2> I wonder if the atrium is still stupidly bright
[11:27] <bigcalm> The image of the 4 large gents on the steps is confusing and isn't actually the entrance of the building
[11:28] <bigcalm> I'm sure you'll figure it out though :D
[11:29] <gord> i'm assuming there will be someone in a suit to greet me as "mr allott" before we head down the red carpet
[11:29] <MooDoo> gord: mr who ;)
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> gord: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html ?
[11:30] <gord> how is that a question :P
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: Mr Alot
[11:31] <MooDoo> it takes alot to understand it ;)
[11:31] <gord> someone made an alot of gords once, was terrifying
[11:33] <bigcalm> gord: 1st saw your full name on minecraft. Thought it was read as 'Gord A lot'
[11:37] <AlanBell> why does firefox want to open PDF files with gedit. Most annoying
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because it's served as text/plain instead of application/pdf, probably
[11:39] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:40] <bigcalm> Only lazy download system served all files as application/pdf. Caused fun times with non PDFs
[11:45] <bigcalm> Just licked green ink off my finger - regretting it now
[11:45] <bigcalm> Look before you lick
[11:45] <AlanBell> fixed, it was set to use document viewer(default) and I now set it to use evince
[11:45] <AlanBell> all my mime type settings look right to me in /usr/share/applications and in ~.local
[12:11] <daubers> bigcalm: Flu jabs are evil
[12:11] <daubers> My housemate had one and managed to hospitalise me :(
[12:52] <JGJones> Rather damning of BBC and use of DRM (this affect you if you use MythTV) http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/14/bbc-hd-drm
[12:53] <AlanBell> I think I responded to that consultation
[13:05] <andylockran> hey guys - anyone recommend how to monitor network activity (bandwidth) via port on ubuntu?
[13:08] <directhex> ntop?
[13:16] <Seeker`> daubers: how did that happen?
[13:16] <bigcalm> popey: did you not get this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/739165/
[13:18] <popey> I do not.
[13:18] <bigcalm> Poop
[13:18] <bigcalm> Wonder what's missing from my system then
[13:20] <popey> 11.10?
[13:22] <daubers> Seeker`: I cought it from him and ended up coming down with major bad flu (i.e. breathing difficulties, hugely high pulse, fever) was rushed to hospital for CT scan as they thought I had meningitis, even had a lumbar puncture (ick ick ick ick ick ick ick), then spent nearly a week recovering from it :(
[13:26] <Seeker`> daubers: not sure how you managed to catch flu from a flu jab
[13:26] <daubers> Seeker`: I didn't have the jab dammit!
[13:26] <Seeker`> I mean your housemates flu jab
[13:27] <daubers> Seeker`: Doctor reckons I had some form of flu dormant, and the mild strain I cought from his flu jab woke it up and made it angry :(
[13:28] <Seeker`> did your housemate get the flu after his jab?
[13:28] <daubers> yup
[13:28] <Seeker`> how long after?
[13:28] <daubers> about a week if that
[13:29] <popey> my wife has been ill after the flu jab
[13:30] <Seeker`> it was my understanding that the flu jab doesn't actually cause the flu, and that if you get ill after the jab it is coincidence rather than causal
[13:30] <daubers> all I know is that he had the flu jab, and that after that I got flu and had a big needle shoved in my spine
[13:30] <diplo> Doesn't the flu jab give you some sort of flu or strain of something and there magic sorts it ?
[13:32] <Seeker`> it gives you inactivated viruses
[13:33] <diplo> aha
[13:33] <diplo> :)
[13:33] <Seeker`> so your body can react to the surface proteins so it is present in your immune memory, but the virus cannot infect any cells
[13:33] <sheeps_> join #parenscript
[13:33] <sheeps_> oops :)
[13:34] <Seeker`> Despite popular belief, the flu vaccination can't give you flu as it doesn't contain the active virus needed to do this. It's true that some people experience symptoms of a heavy cold at the same time or just after they've had the flu jab. This is simply a coincidence and the symptoms are usually caused by one of the many common cold viruses that are around in the autumn and winter.
[13:34] <Seeker`> Remember, it's still possible to suffer heavy colds after vaccination, as the flu jab only protects people from the flu virus, not other viruses.
[13:36]  * popey wonders why Seeker` is trying to prove daubers wrong given daubers clearly visited a medical practitioner
[13:37] <Seeker`> I don't doubt that daubers caught flu from his housemate
[13:37] <popey> it's not coming across like that
[13:37] <oimon> Seeker`: does that include the swine flu jab?
[13:37] <popey> H1N1, yes
[13:37] <Seeker`> I'm questioning whether his housemate got the flu from the flu jab
[13:37] <oimon> i know many pregnant women who came down with a bad illness after the swine flu jab.
[13:38] <daubers> He got a flu jab, I got A NEEDLE IN MY SPINE. All I know is I hurt more afterwards
[13:38] <daubers> :p
[13:38] <oimon> from a large ante-natal class, AFAIK all those jabbed for swine flu were ill. non-jabbed were not ill
[13:39] <oimon> it's possible that they all went to the same nurse who had flu themself ..
[13:39] <Seeker`> I've seen lots of people ask 'did I get flu from the jab' and I've never seen a response that it was possible to actually get flu from having the vaccination
[13:43] <oimon> i caught swine flu from a number 25 bus
[13:43] <Seeker`> daubers: but did he also spend time around other people, touch door handles etc. etc. around the same time? :P
[13:45] <daubers> Seeker`: I didn't like to ask :p
[13:46] <bigcalm> popey: yes, 11.10
[13:46] <gord> i wonder if anyone has ever actually used the insert key for good, just seems to be the destructor of code for me
[13:47] <popey> bigcalm: wfm ⍨
[13:47]  * daubers goes to gather some kit together for a datacenter excursion
[13:47] <Seeker`> gord: I've mapped some useful things to it in games, if that counts
[13:47] <bigcalm> :'(
[13:48] <Azelphur> insert key, the evil destructor of code
[13:49] <oimon> gord: i heard a comedian tlaking about that the other day
[13:49] <oimon> insert is useful, overwrite is bad :)
[13:49] <popey> bigcalm: what video card?
[13:50] <popey> bigcalm: and are you sat at the machine or ssh'ed in?
[13:50] <bigcalm> nvidia (2 of)
[13:50] <bigcalm> Sat at it
[13:51] <gord> bigcalm, do you have gnome-settings-daemon running?
[13:52] <gord> also look at d-feet, see if org.gnome.SettingsDaemon exists on the session bus
[13:52] <popey> there's some right odd stuff on spotify
[13:52] <popey> http://open.spotify.com/track/2z48HBCK72HxRMwMdEixxq
[13:53] <bigcalm> gord: that daemon is running
[13:53] <bigcalm> What is d-feet?
[13:53] <gord> its an application for looking at dbus
[13:54] <bigcalm> While a track was playing, I re-ran the notifer. It give a slightly different message and Spotify put in the yellow notification bar 'Link not found.'
[13:55] <popey> stop spotify
[13:55] <popey> close it, then start the script
[13:56] <popey> the script starts spotify
[13:56] <bigcalm> Oh
[13:56] <popey> i ran it with nohup ./spotify-notify.py &
[13:56] <popey> then killed the terminal
[13:56] <bigcalm> Well it did start Spotify
[13:56] <bigcalm> Gave the same error messages
[13:56] <bigcalm> No notifications
[13:57] <popey> well, the error message isnt good
[13:57] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/739187/
[13:58] <bigcalm> Irritating
[13:59] <popey> well, you're using twinview
[13:59] <popey> nvidia doesnt support xrandr
[13:59] <popey> dunno why it wants xrandr though
[13:59] <Myrtti> so that is for the linux client, right?
[13:59] <popey> ya
[13:59] <bigcalm> popey: other python gnome-notify scripts work
[14:00] <gord> bigcalm, pastebin the script
[14:00] <Myrtti> oh good grief almost jumped to the ceiling
[14:00] <Myrtti> the dog made a snorting sound
[14:01] <bigcalm> gord: http://code.google.com/p/spotify-notify/
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE ?
[14:02] <Twinkletoes> I have a question related to ubuntu only by virtue of the fact, it's running bind.  My domain name registrar points to nameservers who will resolve my domain (*my* nameservers).  However, it lists them by fqdn, rather than IP.  If the NS records for mydomain.com, are ns.mydomain.com, then how does it initially resolve "ns.mydomain.com" in order to do a lookup?  Shouldn't the IP address be...
[14:02] <Twinkletoes> ...reference anywhere?
[14:02] <gord> bigcalm, yeah your gonna want to get d-feet and check that org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.MediaKeys actually exists
[14:03] <gord> bigcalm, alternatively, comment out a bunch of stuff in the MediaKeyHandler class
[14:03] <bigcalm> I thought Ubuntu was meant to just work! ;)
[14:04]  * popey tries it on a clean nvidia install
[14:04]  * popey installs spotify first :D
[14:04]  * hamitron didn't know there was such a thing as "clean" when it came to nvidia
[14:05] <popey> hamitron: http://meow.popey.com/
[14:05] <hamitron> sec
[14:05] <hamitron> :)
[14:05] <popey> oh, actually, my laptop has nouveau, not nvidia blob
[14:05] <hamitron> ;/
[14:11] <bigcalm> gord: ok, I have d-feet running. How might it help me? :)
[14:11] <gord> you look at dbus, clicky clicky, just make sure your looking at the session bus
[14:11] <gord> you'll figure it out ;)
[14:12] <bigcalm> Looking at the Session bus, org.gnome.SettingsDaemon is in the Bus Names
[14:13] <bigcalm> But no MediaKeys
[14:13] <gord> theres your problem
[14:14] <gord> either you can figure out why, or fix the script to not look for it ;)
[14:14] <bigcalm> 1) not my script, 2) know nothing about python
[14:14]  * bigcalm gets on with 'work'
[14:15] <Azelphur> haha, gamers trying to build computers are funny
[14:15] <Azelphur> PCIe power in the P4 :D
[14:20] <Laney> ooh
[14:20] <Laney> creeping up on bug #900000
[14:20] <lubotu3`> Error: Launchpad bug 900000 could not be found
[14:20] <popey> quick! file bugs!
[14:20] <Azelphur> it's over nine thousaaaaaand.
[14:20]  * Azelphur runs
[14:25] <Laney> spotify:track:50a2H4c2L4kwJVe6ShwHS7
[14:25] <bigcalm> Laney: is that the new rick roll for 2011?
[14:26] <Laney> thought you might appreciate it :3
[14:26] <Laney> might make it my new thing
[14:26] <Laney> Classic Pop Track Of The Day
[14:26] <bigcalm> Classic something
[14:45] <popey> AlanBell: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ seems inaccurate?
[14:45] <popey> for the london meeting
[14:50] <diplo> Any one here run Android ? Question about contacts :)
[14:51] <gord> just ask the question :P
[14:51] <bigcalm> !ask
[14:51] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[14:51] <diplo> Well being ubuntu channel thought i'd be good :)
[14:52] <diplo> Basically, when my friend used to sync his contacts i got him to test that it only synced "My Contacts"
[14:52] <diplo> Just got my android phone now and it grabs all the contacts and not just my contacts
[14:53] <diplo> His used to use My contacts for telephone numbers but had groups there if he had an incoming call from someone from the groups
[14:53] <diplo> Downside is I have all my G+ contacts etc showing in phone list
[14:53] <diplo> All pages I've found so far are from 09/10 and don't seem to have the same optionsnow
[14:57] <gord> no idea, don't have my G+ contacts in my contacts list
[14:58] <diplo> Sure you used to be able to select which groups displayed and which didnt, just have option Google/Phone/Sim now
[14:59] <diplo> If I could root it I would but seems unsupported atm :/
[14:59] <BigRedS> 'My Contacts' is a Samsung invention AFAICT
[14:59] <BigRedS> They also have My Calendar and a My Something Else
[14:59] <BigRedS> which is infuriating
[14:59] <diplo> It's in Google Contacts on there web page
[15:00] <diplo> So My Contacts is stuff that should be synced, groups is everything else for me
[15:00] <diplo> Used to work :)
[15:11] <smittix> Afternoon all
[15:14] <MooDoo> hi smittix
[15:19] <diplo> Use an app is the answer now :)
[15:19] <diplo> 50 contacts now instead of 500+
[15:22] <Azelphur> Don't suppose anyone has any interesting ideas on how to have your cake and eat it, fluid width website with a header image?
[15:23] <andylockran> Azelphur: ?
[15:23] <andylockran> what do you mean?
[15:23] <Azelphur> It's a CSS/HTML question, wondering if there's a way to have a fluid width website with a image header that doesn't look ugly
[15:24] <andylockran> Azelphur: depends how you design the body of the page
[15:24] <andylockran> Azelphur: if it looks smart with the image centred then that's easy
[15:25] <Azelphur> yea, perhaps I should try doing that
[15:25] <Azelphur> http://fasttrack-khadgar.com/ is the site in question :p
[15:25] <andylockran> if not, then you need to limit the width to the width of the image - then make sure that multi-widths render nicely too
[15:26] <andylockran> Azelphur: I'd set the min-width to 1024 for the content sectionthere, and have the image centred above it
[15:26] <andylockran> or scale the image with the width
[15:26] <Azelphur> sounds cool :)
[15:26] <Azelphur> I shall mess around on a test website with that :d
[15:26] <oimon> guys, am i supposed to change my steam password? i haven't received an email about it
[15:26] <andylockran> yeah, I'm an idiot. have an image set to width=100%.. and have multi-res images
[15:26] <Azelphur> oimon: gabe says yes
[15:26] <Azelphur> andylockran: wait what multi res images?
[15:27] <Azelphur> I knew about width=100%, but won't that introduce pixelization?
[15:27] <oimon> Azelphur: he really should email us though, right?
[15:27] <Azelphur> oimon: they havn't confirmed there was a breach yet
[15:27] <andylockran> Azelphur: not if you have a high enough res image.
[15:28] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[15:28] <oimon> Azelphur: ah, i just reliased it's a forum account, not a steam account
[15:28] <oimon> "Steam users will be required to change their forum passwords when the forums are opened back up. While the company claims that no Steam accounts have been compromised, if your forum password was the same as your account password, a change would likely be a good idea."
[15:29] <Azelphur> ah there we go, so just the forum was compromised :)
[15:29] <oimon> however that is inconsistent with this quote : "Gabe Newell today confirms this fact and reveals that the intruders also gained access to a Steam database that contained a ton of personal information, such as usernames, encrypted passwords, email addresses, and encrypted credit card information. Newell adds that there is currently no evidence that any of that information was actually taken by the intruders or that credit card numbers or passwords
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> oimon: \o/ lies
[15:29] <Azelphur> oimon: indeed, I was thinking that
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> good thing I didn't store my cc info with them
[15:30] <Azelphur> it's their fault for using old unpatched vb
[15:30] <Azelphur> xD
[15:30] <oimon> nor me..i had to add my CC to itunes to spend £15.10 with a £15 voucher the other day...removed it now but :(
[15:31] <oimon> took me 2 hrs to download/install/work out how to use itunes/convert to mp3
[15:31] <oimon> next time i'm selling the voucher on ebay instead
[15:31] <Azelphur> this is one of the things I like about paypal, it largely protects you against things like this
[15:32] <oimon> except can't use paypal with android market or itunes
[15:32] <oimon> sad face :(
[15:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:32] <Azelphur> google checkout provides the same layer of security
[15:39] <funkyHat> This is why I use a credit card for purchases rather than a debit card. If my details get stolen it's the card company's problem not mine
[15:39] <Azelphur> funkyHat: yea, that's the one thing that tempts me to get a CC, I have debit atm
[15:39] <funkyHat> Assuming I notice soon enough
[15:40] <funkyHat> Azelphur: as long as you're capable of managing your spending there's no reason not to
[15:40] <funkyHat> I only say that because I have friends who can't help themselves and just max out their credit cards all the time
[15:40] <Azelphur> well yea I absolutely am, I'm the type of person that doesn't do loans and doesn't spend what I don't have
[15:40] <Azelphur> that's one thing I like about my debit - no overdraft
[16:07] <oimon> i have an automatic DD that pays off my CC each month
[16:09] <oimon> i find it the best way to find out what i've spent each month..put everything on joint CC with missus
[16:12] <buzz_> i cancelled my cards as a protest again the crappy rates they are charging currently
[16:12] <Azelphur> fun
[16:13] <Azelphur> woo, my new network of sites is starting to take shape \o/
[16:13] <buzz_> now if everyone else did the same, they might have to come back with some better offers
[16:13] <buzz_> :)
[16:13] <Azelphur> just got my cool global forums idea to work :D
[16:13] <Azelphur> different sites for each game my gaming community does, with site specific forums, as well as some global forums that are shared between all sites
[16:17] <gord> like steam forums then?
[16:18] <Azelphur> I guess
[16:19] <gord> cool
[16:19] <gord> now try not to get hacked ;)
[16:20] <Azelphur> gord haha, except I'm not using crapbulletin and I keep myself up to date
[16:24] <hellurr> hello
[16:24] <AlanBell> hellurr hello
[16:24] <AlanBell> or possibly the other way round
[16:24] <Azelphur> sounds silly which ever way you say it :p
[16:41] <andylockran> :D
[16:41] <andylockran> having a very productive day - love it!
[16:47] <AlanBell> popey: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour updated
[16:48] <popey> thanks
[16:49] <bigcalm> AlanBell: xmas mean update?
[16:49] <AlanBell> tonytiger: the happy hour tour comes to Southampton in January, if you could suggest a pub that would be great
[16:49] <AlanBell> bigcalm: working on it . . .
[16:50] <bigcalm> I can see it being cancelled at this rate of uptake :(
[16:50] <popey> I'd like to go to the xmas thing
[16:50] <AlanBell> well it will be publicised in canonical when it has a date
[16:50] <bigcalm> popey: put your name on the list then :)
[16:51] <AlanBell> I need to call the place and find a date with some space and then get more notifications out to fill it up
[16:51] <bigcalm> How many can it accommodate?
[16:51] <AlanBell> we have 7 so far, which is viable
[16:51] <AlanBell> bigcalm: 60, but some dates are full up
[16:51] <popey> done
[16:51] <AlanBell> I don't want to suggest a date where they have 58 people already booked . . .
[16:52] <bigcalm> Indeed
[16:52] <bigcalm> Good show popey :)
[16:52] <AlanBell> so I wanted to get some idea of numbers, call the place and firm up a date
[16:52] <bigcalm> Catch 22
[16:52] <AlanBell> which I will now do :)
[16:53] <bigcalm> People don't want to put their name down on even the maybe without a solid date :(
[16:53] <AlanBell> yes
[16:53] <AlanBell> that is OK, we have a viable level of interest now
[16:53]  * bigcalm makes tea
[17:02] <AlanBell> think I have made a reservation for the 9th
[17:03] <AlanBell> I need to give them my credit card details to confirm the booking, and it will cost me if people don't turn up
[17:04] <bigcalm> Oh my
[17:04] <bigcalm> I will be there on the 9th
[17:05] <bigcalm> How much will it cost if people don't turn up?
[17:06] <AlanBell> cancellation less than 48 hours is £15
[17:06] <AlanBell> if we all fail to arrive it is £25 per person I think
[17:06] <bigcalm> What if some of us do?
[17:06] <bigcalm> Ah, I see
[17:06] <tonytiger> bigcalm: it's not that big a place, a group of 7 or 8 would be fine
[17:07] <bigcalm> Cool
[17:07] <AlanBell> ah, no if anyone fails to arrive it is £25, £15 if notified in advance, we can modify the numbers up to 48 hours in advance
[17:08] <bigcalm> Good, that's better flexibility
[17:08] <bigcalm> Now I need to find out if Hayley wants to come or not
[17:08] <bigcalm> She still has doubts
[17:08] <AlanBell> or it might be £35 for noshow, it is different on the email confirmation to the booking form!
[17:09] <bigcalm> Nice
[17:09] <tonytiger> AlanBell: Like I say, I don't drink and rarely go out in Southampton so I could do little more than pick a pub at random
[17:09] <AlanBell> thats fine tonytiger
[17:09] <AlanBell> anyone got a better than random suggestion for a southampton pub?
[17:09] <AlanBell> random is OK
[17:10] <Daviey> AlanBell: for Ubuntu Hour?
[17:11] <tonytiger> Ah Daviey
[17:11] <AlanBell> Daviey: yes indeed
[17:11] <tonytiger> Much more likely to be able to suggest a disreputable hole.
[17:11] <bigcalm> :D
[17:11] <Daviey> hah
[17:11] <tonytiger> Actually, the pub where the Southampton Barcamp was held was OK
[17:11] <tonytiger> the "shooting star"
[17:11] <tonytiger> http://southampton-pubs.co.uk/shootingstar/index.htm
[17:13] <bigcalm> Hayley's xmas meal is on the 8th Dec. UU xmas meal on the 9th. Expensive/busy week/end
[17:15] <AlanBell> christel: can you make the 9th? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[17:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: when will you need monies from us?
[17:16] <AlanBell> popey: can you move yourself from Maybe attending to attending when you confirm with she who must be obeyed
[17:16] <AlanBell> bigcalm: never, hopefully :)
[17:16] <bigcalm> :D
[17:16] <bigcalm> AlanBell: eh?
[17:16] <bigcalm> Free food?
[17:16] <AlanBell> I don't need to pay in advance, just need to underwrite the booking with my card
[17:17] <AlanBell> you pay on the day to the place
[17:17] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:17] <christel> AlanBell: yessir!
[17:17] <christel> i wouldnt miss it for a thing
[17:17] <AlanBell> excellent christel :)
[17:17] <AlanBell> you can work on getting czajkowski to come along :)
[17:17] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:18] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:18] <christel> :D
[17:18] <Laney> hmm, could be fun
[17:18] <christel> i will do!
[17:18] <bigcalm> I guess I should actually read the website now :)
[17:19] <Laney> don't know if any of you went to the blindness thingy in budapest?
[17:19] <Laney> a pitch black exhibition
[17:19] <AlanBell> Laney: I arranged it, but didn't go!
[17:19] <Laney> it was disconcerting!
[17:19] <AlanBell> I have been to one in vienna
[17:19] <Laney> i expect fork face stabbing
[17:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:19] <awilkins> Anyone use Scrum?
[17:20] <bigcalm> I used to use scumm
[17:20]  * bigcalm starts chanting 'grog grog grog'
[17:20] <awilkins> Had two days of great fun trying to get people scrumming now I'm the Scrum Master. SCUMM master would be more fun.
[17:20] <christel> AlanBell: i may have convinced ikonia to come with us too!
[17:21] <christel> i know he's not quite czajkowski...
[17:21] <christel> BUT
[17:21] <AlanBell> its all the same in the dark
[17:22] <christel> indeed!
[17:22] <christel> :D
[17:23] <popey> AlanBell: sure if you can give me a date, we're more likely to be able to make a weekend than a weekday
[17:24] <bigcalm> 9th Dec
[17:24] <bigcalm> AlanBell: 7pm?
[17:24] <AlanBell> yeah, place opens at 18:30
[17:24] <AlanBell> just filling out the credit card form
[17:25]  * Daviey *might* be able to make it.  No promise.
[17:25] <Daviey> Friday evening?
[17:25] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:25] <popey> ok, wifey finishes work at 16:30 on fridays
[17:25] <popey> might be able to make it if we can get baby sitters that night
[17:26] <bigcalm> popey: just put them in front of Minecraft. They'll look after themselves :)
[17:26] <popey> hah
[17:26] <Daviey> bigcalm: You should offer parenting lessons. :)
[17:27] <popey> damnit, wifey has something in her calendar on 9th
[17:27] <popey> hmm
[17:27] <awilkins> My 7 year old likes building rhinestone castles in Minecraft
[17:27] <bigcalm> popey: can you alter her calender, or do you have read-only access?
[17:28] <popey> heh
[17:28] <popey> dude
[17:28] <popey> seriously!?
[17:28] <christel> Daviey: DO IT
[17:28]  * bigcalm bwuhahahas
[17:28] <popey> what kinda of geek do you take me for, of course I can
[17:29] <hamitron> but are you a geek with guts?
[17:29] <hamitron> ;/
[17:30] <popey> did i tell you about the time sophie asked why I had her password and she didnt have mine?
[17:30] <popey> ☺
[17:30] <popey> that was an interesting moment
[17:31] <hamitron> hehe
[17:31] <hamitron> why do you have her password? ;)
[17:31] <popey> "Because I sometimes have to fix your logon, you rarely fix mine"
[17:31] <popey> she just about accepted that
[17:32] <hamitron> haha
[17:32] <popey> also
[17:32] <bigcalm> Smooth
[17:32] <Azelphur> popey: haha, teaching them well to be skeptical about password security :P
[17:32] <popey> wifey found a notebook once with "wii" and the 4 digit pin written in it
[17:32] <popey> sophie had seen mummy type it in, and remembered it long enough to note it down
[17:32] <hamitron> I love other users thinking their files can't be read by me, just because they have a secret password
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: one day she'll figure out how to change it and won't tell you what she changed it to though :)
[17:32] <popey> when I got in from work clare told me about this
[17:33] <celesteh> hello, how do i find out my ip address from the command line?
[17:33] <popey> celesteh: ifconfig
[17:33] <Azelphur> celesteh: local or external?
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> or "ip addr"
[17:33] <AlanBell> credit card form filled in, emailed off
[17:33] <popey> or ip addr
[17:33] <popey> I asked sophie about it in a calm and friendly way and she burst into tears
[17:33] <popey> she thought she was in trouble
[17:34] <christel> AlanBell: hooray :D
[17:34] <popey> I explained that I wasnt cross, and that I actually thought it was quite funny
[17:34] <popey> she was okay about it
[17:34] <christel> blless
[17:34] <hamitron> popey, "mummy" should shield her security answers at all time ;)
[17:34] <hamitron> times*
[17:35] <shauno> does it never worry you that you're raising your kids to be smarter than you are?  they'll start winning soon ;)
[17:35] <hamitron> yeh :D
[17:36] <bigcalm> shauno: it happens with every generation
[17:36] <bigcalm> I'm still giving tech support to my parents
[17:37] <shauno> a little ceasar cipher & that would have gone unnoticed as the pin.  it's not far off .. buahaha
[17:38] <popey> Sophie writes codes too
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> shauno: And once she discovers IRC and all the helpful people on it... :)
[17:38] <popey> she writes a cipher on a page and gives you a message and you have to decode it
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> GPGed diary entries
[17:38] <popey> she loves that stuff
[17:38] <bigcalm> I think popey will keep his children away from IRC until they are both in their 20s
[17:38] <popey> I'd love for her to be a crypto expert or something
[17:38] <popey> she's been on irc
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: have you taken her to Bletchley Park?
[17:38] <popey> she stands and reads what you lot type over my shoulder sometimes
[17:39] <popey> which is why i am a strong advocate of family friendly ☺
[17:39] <popey> not yet MartijnVdS
[17:39] <bigcalm> :)
[17:39] <AlanBell> my kids have been on IRC
[17:40] <AlanBell> they type great stuff like "daddy is a poo head"
[17:40] <popey> when sam plays minecraft in multiplayer mode he walks up to me and calls me "mate"
[17:40] <popey> I can hear him verbally say "mate" in the other room
[17:40] <hamitron> :D
[17:40] <popey> very odd
[17:45] <popey> today I discovered the program magicicada
[17:45] <popey> !info magicicada
[17:45] <popey> its great
[17:45] <lubotu3`> magicicada (source: magicicada): A GTK+ frontend for Ubuntu One file sync.. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 106 kB, installed size 648 kB
[17:47] <gord> it is great
[17:47] <gord> i've been harping on about it for about 12 months, no one listens to me though ;)
[17:47]  * popey hugs gord 
[17:55]  * mattt just witnessed a manhug
[17:56] <AlanBell> oh, when did we say the next meeting was?
[17:57] <AlanBell> was it on the 8th december at 12 lunchtime or something?
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> remember, remember the 8th of december?
[17:57] <bigcalm> One mo
 that would be Thursday 1st dec at 12 lunchtime
[17:57] <AlanBell> 1st, right
[17:58] <bigcalm> Hooray for x-chat keeping channels open I've actually left
[17:58] <bigcalm> That's proxy fun for you
[17:59] <brobostigon> also needs chaning in #ubuntu-uk-meeting.
[17:59] <brobostigon> changing*
[17:59] <popey> haha, nice hostname
[18:00] <bigcalm> ?
[18:00] <popey> ~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> :( new phone delayed
[18:00] <bigcalm> Hehe
[18:00] <popey> (not that I agree #politics, just thought it was funny)
[18:00] <bigcalm> Indeed
[18:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: :(
[18:01] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: which device are you waiting for?
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: galaxy nexus
[18:03] <bigcalm> Ah
[18:03] <bigcalm> What made you choose that over the S2?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: No vendor addon crapware
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> Just Android, as Google intended it.
[18:04] <mgdm> The S2's replacement launcher thing was terrible, last I tried it
[18:04] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: CM 7.1 is out for the S2
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I don't like CM
[18:04] <bigcalm> :O
[18:04] <bigcalm> Lies!
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Running custom firmware is a hassle. I hate hassles.
[18:05] <DJones> I like the sound of the droid razr
[18:05] <bigcalm> DJones: you like sharp sounds?
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> *ching!*
[18:05] <DJones> I'm tone deaf, sharp or not makes no difference :)
[18:05] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[18:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer has still not decided on the Nexus or the Note: http://www.o2.co.uk/comingsoon/
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> DJones: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AudibleSharpness
[18:06] <bigcalm> The note?
[18:06] <DJones> At least thats what I get told when I sing, closely followed by "be quiet"
[18:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> The "mother" of all smart phones bigcalm
[18:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Where have you been if you have not heard of it?
[18:07] <gord> i heard that once you go to the giant note, you can't go back
[18:07] <gord> you need the space and resolution
[18:07]  * MartijnVdS apologises to all the people who have clicked that link,and are now stuck on a wikiwalk
[18:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a 5" Dell Streak
[18:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Note is 5.3" Nexus is ~4.7"... Decisions decisions...
[18:08] <DJones> http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-1039199/review
[18:09] <LSymonds> "Microsoft says its new OS will require one restart on the second Tuesday of every month -- a day also known as Patch Tuesday."
[18:09] <bigcalm> I have an N1 in my pocket, not sure I want to go much bigger than the S2/GN
[18:09] <LSymonds> Silly Microsoft, this is going to be annoying for my clients.
[18:09] <LSymonds> Wrong channel, my bad.
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> LSymonds: nah they can just stop updating...
[18:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Finally. Tea time. ttfn
[18:10] <LSymonds> I think it'd be easier for them to choose when they want to update though.
[18:11]  * bigcalm ponders what to have for tea
[18:11] <bigcalm> Home alone tonight
[18:11] <DJones> Just watching the news, they showed a clip of Brian Regan from brookside using an early mobile phone/brick which looked really funny now
[18:11] <bigcalm> So it might be chinese or KFC
[18:11]  * AlanBell is starving
[18:12]  * DJones finishes off his pasta & italian chicken
[18:12]  * brobostigon is also starving, and his dad is cooking chicken, with linguine.
[18:12] <bigcalm> brobostigon: miss-read that as lingerie
[18:12]  * bigcalm is confused
[18:13] <brobostigon> bigcalm: it is a type of long flat pasta.
[18:13] <DJones> bigcalm: I'd be more worried if you'd misread that as "wearing lingerie"
[18:13] <bigcalm> brobostigon: I know, I have a packet of dried garlic ribbons in the cupboard :)
[18:14] <brobostigon> bigcalm: ok, :)
[18:46] <andylockran> guys - if I have a machine and I want to vet all web traffic on that machine - is the best bet to install a proxy server and get all requests to pass through the proxy?  If so, is squid as a transparent proxy the best route to go down?
[18:46] <andylockran> all I want to do is document the sites that this machine is making requests to.
[18:47] <gordonjcp> any sort of transparent proxy, really
[18:48] <gordonjcp> andylockran: or run driftnet and configure the switch to pop you onto a SPAN port
[19:37] <daubers> evening
[19:52] <AlanBell> evening daubers
[19:52] <AlanBell> meal confirmed :)
[19:52] <AlanBell> you need to update your status here one way or another http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[20:13] <daubers> AlanBell: Will do
[21:33] <bigcalm> AlanBell: just updated my xmas meal registration
[21:34] <LSymonds> What poultry are you having bigcalm? If you are having any at all.
[21:34] <bigcalm> I am definitely going, just need to get more people interested.
[21:34] <bigcalm> LSymonds: eh?
[21:34] <popey> we'll mention it on the podcast next week
[21:34] <LSymonds> xmas meal
[21:34] <LSymonds> Presumably Christmas meal? :L
[21:34] <popey> I'm adding it to the schedule
[21:35] <LSymonds> I've just made myself look like a right idiot.
[21:35] <bigcalm> LSymonds: I'm talking about the Ubuntu UK loco xmas meal: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[21:35] <LSymonds> Where is your podcast located guys? :P
[21:35] <bigcalm> LSymonds: I expect we'll have bacon sandwiches on the 25th Dec though
[21:35] <bigcalm> LSymonds: podcast.ubuntu-uk.org
[21:35] <LSymonds> I presume you're a developer then?
[21:35] <LSymonds> Oh.
[21:36] <bigcalm> Indeed I am, what gave you that idea though?
[21:36] <LSymonds> Bacon Sandwiches for Christmas Day
[21:36] <LSymonds> Only in a developer's world.
[21:36] <bigcalm> Newp, my family would :)
[21:36] <LSymonds> Oh.
[21:36] <LSymonds> I had a McDonalds one year.
[21:36] <LSymonds> Good times.
[21:36] <bigcalm> We'll possibly have a bigger meal on the 26th when more people visit
[21:37] <LSymonds> I'd love to come
[21:37] <LSymonds> Bit too young at the minute though
[21:37] <LSymonds> Been using Ubuntu for 3 years now, moved onto Xubuntu for 11.10 but will move back for the 12.04 LTS.
[21:37] <bigcalm> Erm, our family christmas meals aren't open to the public :)
[21:37] <LSymonds> I didn't mean that HAHAH
[21:37] <LSymonds> I meant the Christmas meal.
[21:39] <LSymonds> Bacon Sandwiches on Christmas day sounds amazing.
[21:39] <LSymonds> Fry up is for breakfast though, can't beat that ;)
[21:40] <LSymonds> How long have you been working at Canonical / Ubuntu for then bigcalm?
[21:40] <bigcalm> Never
[21:40] <LSymonds> Ah.
[21:40] <LSymonds> Made an idiot of myself once more.
[21:40] <bigcalm> I'm a web developer
[21:41] <LSymonds> Me too.
[21:41] <LSymonds> Need to get some more work though, there's not much work at the minute.
[21:41] <LSymonds> Especially if you don't have your name out there.
[21:41] <Azelphur> I'm having lots of fun with drupal atm :D
[21:41] <LSymonds> I'm loving Laravel.
[21:41] <bigcalm> Azelphur: you are nuts :P
[21:41] <LSymonds> http://http://laravel.com/
[21:41] <popey> mmmm bacon
[21:41] <LSymonds> http://laravel.com/
[21:42] <Azelphur> bigcalm: why am I nuts? :O
[21:42] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[21:42] <LSymonds> Great use of a subdomain popey, great use.
[21:42] <bigcalm> Drupal has been the bane of my existence on several occasions
[21:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:42] <Azelphur> bigcalm: :o what's wrong with it? I'm actually having a great time with Drupal 7
[21:42] <LSymonds> Why is my nick this? Need to change it. BRB 2 seconds.
[21:43] <Azelphur> I keep on bumping into little things and I'm like "Aww, can't do that" *think a bit* "Oh wait yea I can"
[21:43] <bigcalm> Azelphur: the way in which client want it to work and the fact that developing for one version means a complete rewrite when the next major version comes out
[21:44] <jutnux> Do you/have you used CI bigcalm?
[21:44] <bigcalm> Code Igniter?
[21:44] <jutnux> Oui.
[21:44] <bigcalm> Once or twice, not my choice of MVC
[21:44] <jutnux> Which framework do you prefer?
[21:44] <bigcalm> Depends upon the size of the project
[21:45] <bigcalm> But Symfony or CakePHP
[21:45] <bigcalm> Or writing my own from scratch
[21:45] <Azelphur> bigcalm: *shrug* I've been making awesome progress with it, I'm setting up a network of sites and I have cross-site forums and shared user dbs and I made an issue tracker with no code :D
[21:45] <bigcalm> Azelphur: then I am glad that it has progressed so well :)
[21:45] <Azelphur> and I wrote a module for it so it'll sync your avatar and name from another service
[21:45] <Azelphur> yea, I'm really enjoying it :D
[21:46] <jutnux> bigcalm, Ah. I've been using Laravel a lot lately, it is pretty amazing. Fuel is good too, combining all features from the well known frameworks.
[21:50] <jutnux> Anyways, better go get some sleep, up at 5 tomorrow :'(
[21:50] <bigcalm> Enjoy!
[21:50] <jutnux> Thanks bigcalm, have a nice night!
[21:51] <jutnux> And yuo Azelphur, popey!
[21:51] <Azelphur> :)
[21:51] <Azelphur> dam I need to stop switching between keyboard and mouse, my shoulder joint is starting to ache XD
[22:25] <marsilainen> hi
[22:26] <marsilainen> should it be possible to get my iphone (iOS 5.0.1) to sync my music from banshee?
[22:26] <marsilainen> currently, when I plug in my iphone I get "Unhandled Lockdown Error"
[22:26] <marsilainen> h8 apple :(
[22:27] <Azelphur> solution: don't buy iphones :D
[22:27]  * Azelphur runs
[22:27] <marsilainen> I only have this damned phone because it's what my work provides me with :(
[22:27] <Azelphur> ah :(
[22:27] <marsilainen> believe me, it's not through choice
[22:27] <Azelphur> popey: is an apple person
[22:27] <Azelphur> maybe he will know
[22:27] <marsilainen> I just want my music on my phone :/
[22:28] <Azelphur> indeed, android just exposes itself as a mass storage device and will work anywhere
[22:28] <marsilainen> I like the fact that I can easily buy music from Amazon through banshee
[22:28] <marsilainen> I just want to sync it to my phone now
[22:28]  * popey sighs
[22:28] <marsilainen> popey: at me?
[22:28] <popey> bug 877440
[22:28] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 877440 in upower (Ubuntu) "[iOS 5] Unhandled Lockdown error (-15)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877440
[22:29] <popey> that error?
[22:29] <marsilainen> yes
[22:29] <marsilainen> I've been reading that bug
[22:29] <popey> see most recent comment
[22:29] <popey> from me
[22:29] <marsilainen> tried that
[22:29] <marsilainen> no joy
[22:29] <popey> unplugged phone first?
[22:29] <marsilainen> I think so
[22:29] <marsilainen> I'll try again
[22:29] <marsilainen> so unplug phone; delete contents of that dir; then reconnect phone ?
[22:29] <popey> yes
[22:31] <marsilainen> ok, did that, when I reconnect phone I get nothing at all...
[22:31] <popey> marsilainen: what release of ubuntu?
[22:31] <marsilainen> no error popup
[22:31] <marsilainen> nor any device popup
[22:31] <marsilainen> oneiric
[22:31] <popey> is the phone unlocked?
[22:31] <marsilainen> what does "unlocked" mean?
[22:31] <popey> lock screen
[22:31] <popey> or home screen
[22:31] <marsilainen> no
[22:31] <popey> ok
[22:31] <marsilainen> is that important?
[22:31] <popey> yes
[22:31] <popey> locked phones are hard to talk to
[22:31] <marsilainen> should I have it unlocked?
[22:32] <marsilainen> oh
[22:32]  * popey gets his phone to test
[22:32] <marsilainen> aha
[22:32] <marsilainen> that looks better
[22:32] <popey> what happened?
[22:32] <marsilainen> now it appears in banshee
[22:32] <popey> popups?
[22:32] <popey> wooooot
[22:32] <marsilainen> yes
[22:33] <popey> _please_ leave a comment on that bug report
[22:33] <marsilainen> but now to try syncing...
[22:33] <popey> you're not the first to experience this
[22:33] <marsilainen> should I expect it to work?
[22:33] <popey> no doubt not the last
[22:33] <popey> yes
[22:33] <marsilainen> ok, I shall do
[22:33] <popey> thank you
[22:33] <marsilainen> ok, will try that first, then comment
[22:33] <popey> wise
[22:34] <marsilainen> well it says it's syncing... will believe it only when I can play music on the iphone...
[22:34] <popey> heh
[22:34] <marsilainen> once it syncs, I should be able to play the music using the standard iphone music app?
[22:34] <marsilainen> or do I need a different player?
[22:34] <popey> dunno i havent done that
[22:34] <popey> i dont have music on mine
[22:36] <popey> marsilainen: is yours a laptop or desktop computer?
[22:37] <marsilainen> desktop
[22:37] <popey> do you have a battery icon in your notification area when you have the phone plugged in?
[22:37] <marsilainen> no
[22:38] <popey> my laptop has the battery icon i guess because it knows this is a laptop
[22:38] <popey> anyway, the fun thing is clicking the battery icon shows not only the charge level of the battery in the laptop, but also the charge level of the phone ☺
[22:38] <marsilainen> aha
[22:38] <marsilainen> nice
[22:39] <marsilainen> well it claims to have sync'd my music, but nothing seems to show up in the music app on the iphone :/
[22:39] <popey> i have no idea about that, sorry
[22:39] <marsilainen> :/
[22:39] <marsilainen> thanks anyway
[22:39] <popey> np
[22:39] <marsilainen> thanks uncle Steve RIP
[22:39] <popey> hah
[22:40] <marsilainen> I don't know why anyone would buy this apple hardware out of choice
[22:41] <AlanBell> "ooh shiny"
[22:41] <marsilainen> I'm sure that it's only the proprietary nature that makes all this syncing so painful
[22:41] <marsilainen> clearly...
[22:41] <marsilainen> all I want is to sync my music...
[22:41] <marsilainen> I don't ask for much...
[22:45] <marsilainen> I know how to sync my music to my iphone!
[22:45] <marsilainen> I can go out and buy a macbook!
[22:45] <marsilainen> and then buy all my music through itunes!
[22:46] <marsilainen> uncle steve will be so proud of me!!!
[22:47] <popey> meh
[22:47] <popey> i love my iphone
[22:49] <marsilainen> you don't mind the fact that it's all tie-in?
[22:51] <czajkowski> marsilainen: people use lots of different technologies every day, nice to see what's out there, and without knowing one cannot improve
[22:51] <popey> no
[22:51] <popey> android ties you in to google
[22:51] <popey> blackberry ties you into rim
[22:52] <ali1234> that's not really true
[22:52] <zleap> is that a good thing,  seemless integration
[22:52] <ali1234> but you know that
[22:52] <zleap> where it matters,  and good if yu can do other stuff too
[22:52] <marsilainen> czajkowski: that's true of course, but here I can clearly see that the fact that iphone has proprietary APIs etc means it makes it difficult for me to sync my music
[22:52] <popey> its as true as the BS people say about apple
[22:52] <marsilainen> I can't do what I want to do
[22:53] <marsilainen> I can't take my music with me
[22:53] <marsilainen> this is therefore painful
[22:53] <popey> well.
[22:53] <popey> the functionality is there
[22:53] <marsilainen> ?
[22:53] <popey> you're probably hitting a bug
[22:53] <ali1234> no it isn't
[22:53] <marsilainen> do you know anyone who is doing this succesfully?
[22:53] <popey> i have done it in the past successfully
[22:54] <marsilainen> because my googling isn't showing up much
[22:54] <popey> i dunno about now
[22:54] <ali1234> have google blocked competing apps?
[22:54] <popey> is it broken on ios5 or something then?
[22:54] <marsilainen> all I want to do is to use the functionality of ubuntu (banshee) with the functionality of my iphone
[22:54] <ali1234> have google prevented jailbreaking?
[22:54] <popey> OEMs have
[22:54] <marsilainen> I had the same behaviour on iOS4
[22:54] <popey> ASUS changed keys to make rooting their devices hard
[22:54] <ali1234> plenty of OEMs don't
[22:55] <marsilainen> I haven't jailbroken my phone
[22:55] <popey> as did Motorola
[22:55] <marsilainen> not sure if it would make a difference?
[22:55] <popey> no idea
[22:55] <popey> not tried it recently
[22:55] <ali1234> i would point out that it is highly likely OEMs will do the same thing with ubuntu when UEFI becomes common
[22:56] <Azelphur> popey: you talking about locked boot loaders?
[22:56] <marsilainen> anyway simple facts: I can't sync from banshee -> iOS; I believe if they used open APIs it would likely have more chance of working
[22:56] <marsilainen> therefore: apple = bad
[22:56] <popey> he
[22:56] <popey> bummer ☹
[22:56] <popey> Azelphur: ya
[22:56] <Azelphur> you know motorola got so much negative press from locked boot loader that they stopped doing it now
[22:56] <ali1234> why don't you just mount the phone as mass storage and copy the file on?
[22:56] <ali1234> oh wait, it's because apple sucks
[22:56] <popey> Azelphur: and ASUS havent
[22:56] <Azelphur> and HTC made a single facebook post about possibly doing it and got flamed into the floor xD
[22:57] <Azelphur> and backpeddled within a couple hours
[22:57] <Azelphur> that was pretty hilarious, there was a twitter trend and everything.
[22:57] <Myrtti> Swype beta has Finnish language support now, ihihih
[22:57] <Myrtti> lovely
[22:57] <popey> Azelphur: I specifically mentioned ASUS
[22:57] <Azelphur> dunno about asus phones, never even knew one existed
[22:58] <marsilainen> I wouldn't mind so much, but Shuttleworth has even made my Ubuntu desktop look like a Mac anyways - he could at least sort out the syncing with them :)
[22:58] <popey> Azelphur: tablet, not phone
[22:58] <Azelphur> ah, or tablet
[22:58] <popey> haha marsilainen
[22:58] <Azelphur> popey: tbh the trend I see now days is people just go to the cyanogen supported devices list and buy phones
[22:58] <Azelphur> at least, the tech savvy people do.
[22:58] <popey> the ASUS Transformer (and the upcoming Transformer Prime) are kinda nice devices
[22:59] <ali1234> nobody cares about tablets, seriously
[22:59] <marsilainen> tell uncle shuttleworth to get out the weegie board out and get something sorted with uncle steve
[22:59] <ali1234> they are a fad
[22:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: inb4 tablets become number 1 device lol
[22:59] <ali1234> kind of like ipods really
[22:59] <marsilainen> ali1234: try telling our clients that :/
[22:59] <popey> heh
[23:00] <Azelphur> but yea, I for one will continue to buy from the non locked boot loader companies :D
[23:00] <ali1234> basically only children use standalone mp3 players now, because they are dirt cheap
[23:00] <ali1234> everyone else has mp3 playing phone
[23:00] <Azelphur> My next phone is probably going to be a samsung, they hired cyanogen and they are working on a google phone
[23:00] <marsilainen> yeah, just a pity can't sync to the iphone
[23:00] <Azelphur> google/cyanogen = best software + samsung = best hardware = greatest phone ever?
[23:00] <marsilainen> I have to listen to the ringtones on the way to work instead
[23:00] <popey> haha
[23:01] <Azelphur> haha ringtones :D
[23:01] <marsilainen> :/
[23:03] <czajkowski> popey: is todays word of the day wut :)
[23:03] <Azelphur> marsilainen: fyi you can get decent android phones for ~£100 brand new now pay as you go :D
[23:04] <Azelphur> popey: btw did you hear the siri protocol got cracked?
[23:04] <Azelphur> you can just send an ogg off to apples webserver and get a reply.
[23:04] <Azelphur> (not exactly complicated, but it's all documented now no doubt cross platform apps will start emerging)
[23:05] <ali1234> they've been that cheap for ages
[23:05] <marsilainen> Azelphur: yeah, the cost of the phone isn't the issue - just the fact I'd have to carry around 2 phones :(
[23:05] <ali1234> i think there was a £70 a few months ago
[23:05] <Azelphur> marsilainen: what actually ties you to the iphone? :)
[23:05] <marsilainen> Azelphur: work does...
[23:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, but they was usually rather slow
[23:05] <marsilainen> Azelphur: they pay the bill on the iphone...
[23:05] <Azelphur> marsilainen: so take the sim out put it in android phone profit?
[23:06] <ali1234> iphones has microsim
[23:06] <marsilainen> Azelphur: they wouldn't allow that
[23:06] <Azelphur> aww :(
[23:06] <marsilainen> just not an option I'm afraid
[23:25]  * AlanBell loves the raspberry pi team
[23:25] <AlanBell> "click to embiggen"
[23:26] <AlanBell> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/344
[23:26] <AlanBell> a perfectly cromulent word
[23:26] <Azelphur> :D
[23:45] <aquarius> does anyone know if Mario Kemper, lead guy on Shutter, hangs out on irc?
[23:48] <AlanBell> there is no channel matching *shutter*
[23:58] <marsilainen> is there a way to increase the number of virtual desktops?
[23:58] <marsilainen> this used to be easy in <= maverick
[23:58] <marsilainen> I can't see a way of doing it in oneiric?