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SarvattRAOF: that soon? will ping tseliot about the binary drivers tomorrow then, the november fglrx release isnt out yet and thats the one with 1.11 support00:03
RAOFSarvatt: Hah.  I wasn't aware of that :)00:04
RAOFI would have noticed while preparing stuff (hopfully ☺)00:04
brycehslangasek, ls -l /dev/input ?00:08
slangasekbryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/738776/00:09
Sarvattso was udev updated recently? keyboard/mouse not working bugs have almost always been following a udev update (4-5 times in oneiric..)00:09
brycehslangasek, interesting!  and ls -l /dev/input/by-id/ ?00:09
slangasekhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/738777/00:09
brycehaha00:11
brycehslangasek, yeah so that's showing events 12 and 13 mapped to your input devices00:12
slangasekhmm00:13
brycehudev sounds a likely culprit00:13
slangasekaha00:14
slangasekudev ISN'T RUNNING00:14
slangasekscore00:14
brycehslangasek, ahhhh00:14
bryceh:-)00:14
slangasekbryceh: thanks for looking at this :)00:15
slangaseknow let me see if I can figure out why it's died, since apport said nothing00:15
brycehslangasek, sure thing, glad it got sorted00:15
slangasekSetting up udev (175-0ubuntu1) ...00:15
slangasekInstalling new version of config file /etc/init/udev.conf ...00:15
slangasekrestart: Job failed to restart00:15
slangasekbryceh: X is still not happy loading it, but maybe udev dying has just left it too confused; do you care about debugging that side further, or should I just restart?00:17
brycehslangasek, go ahead and restart.  This is sort of getting into error handling logic which probably is only worth looking into if we get more people encountering this type of problem.00:18
slangasekyep00:19
slangasekthanks again :)00:19
brycehslangasek, also the X stack is going to get refreshed in the next week or so anyway00:19
* slangasek nods00:19
Sarvatteww, unity updates are "fun", unity-common is built on i386 so it's all uninstallable when amd64 builds and i386 has a huge queue which is a really common scenario00:28
* slangasek glares at launchpad's redirects, which have handily lost his bug comment due to midair collision with bryceh's bug reassignment00:29
brycehslangasek, sorry, I bumped it over to udev00:30
slangasekyep00:30
slangasekwhich is what I was doing :)00:31
brycehaha :-)00:31
SarvattRAOF: so are you saying you fixed up grabs somehow magically?00:50
Sarvattclicking an address bar in a web browser is probably one of the more common things done in ubuntu...00:51
Sarvatti'd love to test out anything you've done if you have before 1.11 is pushed to precise is what i'm saying :)00:53
RAOFSarvatt: No, I haven't fixed grabs yet.01:00
RAOFThe "few days max" was the time between everything breaking and everything getting fixed, not the time before I upload 1.11 :)01:01
Sarvattplanning on uploading 1.11 with broken grabs?01:02
Sarvattwas talking to chase at UDS, multitouch seriously is almost ready to go in the december timeframe this time around, it might make more sense to wait for that01:02
Sarvatt1.11 with backported 1.12 multitouch that is01:03
Sarvatts/multitouch/input/01:03
RAOFNo, without broken grabs.01:04
RAOFI was also talking to Chase at UDS, and while I'm optimistic, he certainly wasn't committing to it being done :)01:05
Sarvattoh?01:05
Sarvattwhot is pushing for it soon this time around01:05
RAOFYeah - they'll be tag-teaming on the implementation.01:05
Sarvattcnd was saying he was going to work on the one remaining problem with grabs this time around while whot was on vacation and it should really be ready in december01:06
RAOFBut Chase was also “yeah, and we've found out that some things we thought won't actually work properly, and will take a bit more work”…01:06
RAOFNot that it wouldn't be done by December, but more a “sometimes, things happen”.01:06
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Sarvattnote to self: dont refuse to look at code because you dont want to get involved with things like unity if things are broken :)01:20
Sarvattcant belive i let xorg-edgers be broken for 2 months for 2 lines of code01:21
LLStarks1.5.99 synaptics is unusable either way01:27
LLStarks:301:27
Sarvatton your machine with the upstream code base meaning its just as "broken" on other distros?01:31
Sarvattsynaptics is heavily patched with the multitouch stuff :(01:32
Sarvattwhat kind of "broken" do you mean? input drivers are the worst, everyone has their own opinions on what they should be01:34
Sarvattlike acceleration too fast for your tastes?01:35
LLStarksmany important patches were dropped01:37
LLStarksacceleration, sensitivity, and tapping are off-scale01:37
Sarvatti could be wrong but those werent changed by any of the patches i dropped01:38
LLStarksand that was on top of 1.3.99's hovering and jumpiness01:38
Sarvattsynaptics had a huge change in sensitivity and crap in the upstream driver01:38
LLStarksis there any way to get edgers without an abi-updated synaptics?01:39
Sarvatthmm01:39
LLStarksbecause no amount of fiddling has worked01:40
Sarvattfiddling with synclient right?01:40
LLStarksyeah01:40
LLStarksand the guis01:40
SarvattGUI's were only updated in fedora and crap, etfc01:40
Sarvattetc01:40
Sarvattok, lemme check01:41
LLStarkswhat is the target synaptic driver for precise? i'd like it to land sooner than later so that  this can receive wider testing.01:42
Sarvattthere is no target, i think i can say that confidently01:42
Sarvattwe might sync whats in debian01:42
Sarvattwhich is 1.5.0 currently01:42
LLStarksas for unity, don't leave things up to ayatana. they don't know drivers or user-oriented ui design.01:44
Sarvatttheres a few of us that try to keep crap in date with debian wrt syncs and update things in debian but we dont have upload access to debian just git access, 1.5.0 was updated recently so that stcks out as what we might ship with01:44
Sarvattthe problems you are hitting are well past 1.5.0 though :)01:45
LLStarkscan i get 1.5 with 1.11 abi?01:45
Sarvattyou can actually just dget -u -x the debian 1.5.0 .dsc file and debuild -uc -us -b in your current environment01:47
Sarvattno multitouch support in edgers so no need to care about the ubuntu delta01:48
Sarvatti think a corner tap functionality change might be the only thing you'd hit :)01:49
LLStarksthe multitouch is unfortunate as only a hover by a second finger will cause a jump01:50
LLStarks*the lack01:50
LLStarksimho, an epoch update might be in order since functionality is lacking upstream. hopefully 1.5.0 is better.01:54
LLStarksbrb01:55
LLStarksmuch better, indeed01:57
Sarvatt1.5.0?01:58
LLStarksyeah, lemme reset the synclient settings though01:58
Sarvatti dont really want to put known-working versions in the ppa if possible, rather people complain its broken to upstream if its really broken upstream so they dont release the crap broken :(02:01
LLStarksi've been complaining upstream02:04
LLStarkspeople just tune it out and ignore the bug reports with the standard lalalallalal can't hear you02:05
Sarvatti think the post 1.5.0 updates might be reliant on gnome-control-center updates going into 3.4 though02:05
Sarvatt(mouse control panel in gnome-control-center)02:05
Sarvattheh, guess i should have quantified "working", cant get the dash up an hour into using unity on 1.1102:55
Sarvattno clue where it's going wrong, only thing in ~/.xsession-errors is a few thousand nautilus errors02:57
bjsniderSarvatt, what do the nautilus errors look like?03:01
Sarvatt(nautilus:13888): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed03:04
SarvattNautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory03:04
SarvattPlease ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.03:04
Sarvattminus the last two lines, that only comes up every few hundred iterations03:04
RAOFbryceh: Looks like we've got a couple of blueprints that need bedding down - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-hybrid-graphics and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-xorg-lts-updates07:46
RAOFAnd by ‘bedded down’ mostly I mean ‘needs a victim for the work items’.07:47
tjaaltoni should probably clean up the hg one07:56
tjaaltonoh, updated already07:57
tjaaltonrenamed packages? ugh..08:06
tjaaltonhmm, so i guess upgrading from .3 to Q would be a no-go08:23
tjaaltonwhich would be a downgrade for x08:23
tjaaltonand the kernel08:24
tjaaltonso the only upgrade path for >.2 would be to the next lts08:24
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Sarvattawesome http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~eugeni/xf86-video-intel/17:18
Sarvattsna via an xorg.conf option17:18
brycehRAOF, I've added myself to a couple items; I'll see where I'm at after I draft the MM blueprints; feel free to add me to tasks that you think need my attention17:50
Sarvattmdeslaur: any chance you could try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ to see if the blurry screen problem still exists upstream? jbarnes pinged me saying it should be fixed18:09
mdeslaurSarvatt: the ati blurry problem I have or the -intel blurry problem I have?18:10
Sarvattintel on your t51018:11
Sarvatthttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4017218:11
ubot4Freedesktop bug 40172 in DRM/Intel "[arrandale] Fuzzy screen after dpms cycles on lenovo t510 [bisected, 3.0+]" [Normal,New: ]18:11
mdeslaurSarvatt: ah! cool, yeah, I'll give it a try later on. thanks!18:12
Sarvattcan look into getting it into oneiric if it is18:12
Sarvattmdeslaur: appreciate it, we never could find any other machine it reproduced on18:12
mdeslaurSarvatt: hopefully it'll be fixed, as it's a PITA :P18:12
mdeslaurSarvatt: unfortunately, the problem persists with 3.2.0-99920:38
Sarvattmdeslaur: thanks a ton for checking that, sorry to hear it :(20:39
mdeslaurSarvatt: I'm getting used to doing a dpms cycle every few reboots :P20:40
Sarvattbryceh: so some of those previous work items you pasted that were postponed i did a long time ago, should I just delete them from the list?20:57
Sarvattnvidia/fglrx autoloading stuff20:57
brycehSarvatt, just tell me which they were and I'll mark them20:59
brycehI'm doing a bunch of edits at the moment20:59
Sarvatt[sarvatt] Fix logic in patches 104 and 105 to correctly select -nvidia when appropriate: DONE21:01
Sarvatt[sarvatt] Ensure fallbacks work if nvidia/fglrx is failing to load: DONE21:01
* Sarvatt is knee deep in poulsbo 2.0 aka cedarview "fun", ugh21:03
brycehgot it thanks21:05
cndhooray, I can build and install upstream X and it all just works :)22:52
Sarvattcnd: what changed?22:58
Sarvattripping geis out of unity? :P22:58
Sarvattmaster is working good here too after doing that23:00
Sarvatt(xserver)23:01
Milos_SDHi23:01
Milos_SDI need help installing ATI fglrx driver for HP ProBook 4530s laptop with switchable graphics23:02
cndSarvatt, last year about this time I tried to do the same23:03
cndI think we were patching in the no-background option23:03
cndsomething like that23:04
cndthat and maybe gdm wasn't playing nice23:04
RAOFThat'd be right, yes.23:05
cndI was actually quite amazed I got it all working given how complex it is to configure and install everything23:05
cndgetting the right --libdir values and all the drivers I needed23:06
RAOFSo, how's XI 2.2 going? :)23:06
cndRAOF, well, I just got whot's branches of multitouch up and running :)23:06
cndfor the next two weeks I'll be working on implementing the pointer emulation23:06
cndbut the basic touch stuff looks to be working well23:06
RAOFThat sounds like early December it'd be reasonable to have it in Precise?23:07
cndmight be23:08
cndbut that's if everything goes really well23:08
cndwe have to get it implemented for touchscreens23:08
cndand then get it working for trackpads23:09
cndso I think it might be more mid-december23:09
cndand only if we want to push crack into precise, which the desktop team may not like23:10
cndwe'll have to figure out the details23:10
RAOFOk.23:11
RAOFThanks.23:11
RAOFBah!  Why is the t420s' touchpad so rubbish?23:13

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