[00:52] <pleia2> knome: know if you're available then? if so I can take a lead here and announce it and stuff
[00:53] <knome> pleia2, yeah, actually i think i will
[00:53] <knome> pleia2, earlier will work too if it works for you :)
[00:54] <knome> pleia2, if not, no problem..
[00:54] <pleia2> my lunch is at least until 2100, so I don't want to cut it too close
[00:54] <knome> yeah
[00:54] <ochosi> astraljava: do you already have the volume-indicator problem figured out?
[00:54] <knome> 22UTC is okay
[00:54] <astraljava> ochosi: No, I got caught off, because jussi needed attention. (they're actually both here overnight)
[00:55] <pleia2> knome: ok, I'll draft up an announcement now
[00:55] <knome> ohh, tell the chipmunk-laughter guy "hey" from me
[00:55] <knome> pleia2, great, thanks for taking the task :)
[00:55] <ochosi> astraljava: ah right :)
[00:56] <ochosi> astraljava: do you have the indicator-sound package installed?
[00:56] <astraljava> ochosi: Let me check.
[00:57] <astraljava> ochosi: Yes, but not the -gtk2.
[00:58] <ochosi> i think you need -gtk2
[00:58] <ochosi> gtk3 won't work with xfce's panel
[00:58] <astraljava> ochosi: Yep, that was it. Thanks again! You spoil me to death.
[00:58] <ochosi> ;)
[00:58] <knome> ochosi, yeah, don't give the dog crackers so often.
[01:00] <ochosi> btw, i just started porting bluebird to gtk3 :D
[01:00] <knome> hah, nice
[01:00] <ochosi> (uploading a screenshot atm)
[01:00] <knome> then add yourself as the assignee :P
[01:00] <ochosi> so i guess you can assign me to that one ;)
[01:00] <ochosi> k, will do
[01:00] <knome> i'm going already ;)
[01:00] <knome> see you!
[01:01] <ochosi> okeydokey – sleep well
[04:11] <ScottL> i see we need the indicator-sound-gtk2 package in oneiric, i'm guessing we should do an SRU if we want an update to our -desktop metapackage to be pushed to our users?
[08:47] <astraljava> ScottL: See -motu.
[11:48] <madnick> oooh
[11:49] <madnick> I see what Ubuntu did
[11:49] <knome> hm?
[11:49] <madnick> http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VE0o85yemCQ/TnmeMDCr3MI/AAAAAAAAAbU/4gWKWDQJSww/s1600/AutoLogin2.png
[11:49] <knome> mmh
[11:49] <madnick> There is really 4 fields
[11:50] <madnick> that are relevant, for the common user
[11:50] <knome> true
[11:50] <madnick> autologin-user=NAME autologin-user-timeout=n user-session=session greeter-session=greetername
[11:50] <madnick> since it uses the common configuration format
[11:50] <knome> i don't think the timeout is important for a common user
[11:51] <madnick> okay
[11:51] <knome> i'd say let's use a sane default
[11:51] <knome> but let's discuss that too at the meeting
[11:51] <knome> just my opinion..
[11:51] <madnick> for most people that is probably 0 :P
[11:51] <madnick> okay
[11:51] <madnick> yes
[11:51] <knome> yeah
[11:51] <knome> or sth like 5
[11:51] <knome> grub'ish
[11:52] <knome> also hmm
[11:52] <knome> greeter-session could be just our session ;P
[11:52] <madnick> when I use autologin, like on my HDMI computer hooked to the TV; i dont want to be promopted .P
[11:52] <madnick> yes
[11:52] <knome> and user-session probably locked to xubuntu...
[11:52] <knome> well, i don't know about that
[11:53] <knome> could be under advanced options
[11:53] <knome> i was thinking that if we add the option to our greeter
[11:53] <madnick> :)
[11:53] <knome> just a simple checkbox would do
[11:54] <madnick> True, if someone can install another greeter, they need to poke config files anyways
[11:54] <knome> yup
[11:55] <madnick> However. It really eliminates security of the login screen :P
[11:56] <knome> how?
[11:56] <madnick> sorta makes it just a "pick user"
[11:56] <knome> if you need to write the pass too
[11:56] <knome> for the setting to be saved
[11:56] <madnick> I suppose
[11:56] <knome> well definitely
[11:56] <knome> so, if you need a pass to change it...
[11:57] <madnick> yeah
[11:58] <madnick> I can't really think very well, been up since you said good night ;)
[11:59] <madnick> Ofc it should be like that
[11:59] <knome> heh
[11:59] <knome> ;)
[11:59] <knome> if you want to change the autologin'd suser
[11:59] <knome> *user
[12:00] <knome> do you need only the new users pass?
[12:00] <madnick> currently?
[12:00] <ochosi> hm, sorry to step in so uninformed, but is there already a way to configure the auto/login behavior of lightdm?
[12:01] <ochosi> (i mean: gui frontend)
[12:01] <madnick> It would probably make sense to make the one that checks the box be auto login user, on effective login
[12:01] <madnick> ochosi: no
[12:01] <madnick> So he would enter pass
[12:02] <knome> madnick, but doesn't need the "permission" of the previous autologged user?
[12:02] <ochosi> madnick: do you know whether anything like that is planned by ubuntu? cause if not maybe we could hack something small together (at least that sounds like a roadmap-item to me)
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, it IS on the roadmap
[12:02] <madnick> knome: no, becauase its a centralized configuration file
[12:03] <madnick> ochosi: ubuntu has it
[12:03] <madnick> but in their user manager
[12:03] <knome> madnick, editing it usually needs admin rights?
[12:03] <ochosi> knome: oh :)
[12:03] <knome> err, sudo?
[12:03] <madnick> knome: im pretty sure lightdm has good enough permissions 
[12:03] <knome> madnick, i'm sure, but what if the user logging in doesn't?
[12:04] <madnick> well, it would be changed by the greeter
[12:04] <knome> madnick, let me try to explain
[12:04] <knome> user MASTER is a sudoer
[12:04] <knome> MASTER sets him to be the autologged user
[12:04] <knome> then logs out
[12:04] <knome> user SLAVE is not a sudoer
[12:04] <knome> user SLAVE tries to set himself as autologged
[12:05] <knome> will he be able, if editing the conf file usually needs sudo rights?
[12:05] <madnick> well thats up to us, but the current thought im playing with is yes he would
[12:05] <knome> why?
[12:06] <knome> i don't think he should...
[12:06] <knome> if the config file is not open for him to edit manually
[12:06] <madnick> Well, I suppose we can just not allow him then :P
[12:06] <knome> then it shouldn't be open for him to edit it via lightdm either
[12:07] <knome> though that is a problem
[12:07] <knome> if you want a non-sudoer to be logged in automatically for security issues
[12:07] <knome> you can't
[12:07] <madnick> Hm
[12:07] <madnick> So we do and we damned we damned if we dont
[12:08] <knome> haha
[12:08] <knome> ;)
[12:08] <knome> this shouts for a GUI
[12:08] <madnick> true
[12:08] <knome> in non-greeter
[12:08] <knome> because then it's okay as long as you are a sudoer, and have verified that
[12:08] <madnick> But I dont belive in letting users have ALL the options of the config file
[12:08] <knome> nope
[12:08] <knome> just the basic stuff
[12:08] <madnick> yeah
[12:10] <madnick> But making a GUI
[12:10] <madnick> In the Settings
[12:10] <madnick> Im not 100% sure how we add things into that
[12:10] <madnick> because the its not windowed
[12:11] <knome> mm
[12:11] <knome> there is a way
[12:11] <knome> i know that
[12:11] <madnick> Okay
[12:12] <madnick> We could simply add it to the settings menu :P
[12:12] <madnick> Its where blueman is at
[12:13] <knome> ugh
[12:13] <knome> well, the settings manager is pluggable
[12:13] <knome> ask #xfce-dev
[12:13] <ochosi> yeah, having it in the settings-manager makes a lot more sense to me
[12:13] <knome> yeah
[12:14] <madnick> Yes, I just did not know it was possible :P I figured "if blueman isnt there, we probably could not add it, otherwise we would"
[12:14] <knome> :P
[12:14] <knome> it is possible
[12:14] <ochosi> yeah, well the general problem is that the settings-manager is now kinda clean, but it can get messy real quick if you add too much 
[12:15] <ochosi> we had a discussion with nick on the xfce-dev ml about that a while ago
[12:15] <knome> yeah, but this should be added definitely
[12:15] <ochosi> yup
[12:30] <madnick> I was just looking at the settings screen, one would need to use GTK normal controllers :|
[12:30] <madnick> otherwise it wont fit in :P
[12:30] <madnick> visually*
[12:38] <ochosi> ideally it would be like the other pluggable dialogs and have the "back" button
[12:39] <knome> madnick, problems?
[12:45] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/plugin.png
[12:45] <madnick> nope but
[12:45] <madnick> Im slow today
[12:46] <knome> madnick, ++
[14:20] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/ldm.png
[14:20] <madnick> heh, i know, its terrible, but i need to sleep :P atleast it works 
[14:20] <madnick> I will need some stuff, like icons
[14:20] <madnick> if we decide to do this
[17:20] <ochosi> madnick: awesome! if you want we can discuss the layout of the preferences dialog together