[00:02] <MechYeti> Hello.
[00:02] <zenrox> hello
[00:43] <doc__> ahoy hot
[00:43] <doc__> hoy
[00:43] <doc__> well that ruined me forever
[00:44] <knome> hey doc__, no need to be embarrassed, we all make mistakes now and then
[00:44] <doc__> lol I know... I kid
[00:44] <doc__> I just installed xubuntu and teaching myself how to use it
[00:55] <MechYeti> How's that going?
[00:56] <doc__> pretty good
[00:56] <doc__> installed mp3 support, installed windows share and printers
[01:00] <MechYeti> Sounds good.  What kind of machine is it?
[01:13] <doc__> p4 dual core 3.8gz
[01:14] <kirua> pentium 4 dual core ?
[01:14] <doc__> thats right
[01:14] <kirua> why you didnt install ubuntu ?
[01:15] <doc__> wanted out of the box mp3 support
[01:15] <doc__> and first time with linux
[01:21] <MechYeti> I didn't realize there was a difference in mp3 support.
[01:21] <doc__> well I tried installing fedora 13 and getting mp3 support on that was a pain
[01:21] <doc__> so I went with something stupideasy
[01:23] <MechYeti> Ah.
[01:25] <doc__> so whats this wine thing then?
[01:25] <Unit193> !wine
[01:26] <doc__> thanks, helpful script
[01:26] <Unit193> ubottu is a bot
[01:26] <doc__> I know
[01:27] <MechYeti> Nifty.
[01:30] <MechYeti> Depending on what you're trying to run with it, wine is either magical or a source of maddening frustration.
[01:31] <doc__> what can't be done with it?
[01:31] <MechYeti> Allows you to run programs made for windows on linux.
[01:32] <MechYeti> Oh, sorry, read "can't" as "can".
[01:33] <doc__> salright
[01:34] <MechYeti> It's really case by case what works well.  But more popular things are often better supported because people have already put the time in to getting them working.
[01:36] <doc__> what about stuff like photyshop?
[01:37] <Artemis3> you could try checking in their http://appdb.winehq.org/ for each program
[01:38] <doc__> thanks
[01:38] <Artemis3> i use wine for a couple of games
[02:38] <voodootru> yey 4 irc during install!
[02:40] <Artemis3> well its a live desktop
[02:42] <voodootru> pretty neat!, now it says I gotta reboot!
[04:35] <kirua> hi
[04:40] <kirua> i'm trying to install xubuntu on a computer with windows xp, should i choose "install next to windows xp" (in dual boot mode) or "use the largest  free space avalaible (or something like that)" since i let like 15gb on the hdd not assigned to any partition ?
[04:41] <holstein> kirua: pretty sure 'install next to' will offer for you to resize
[04:42] <kirua> ok, thx
[08:53] <xubuntu721> bonjour à tous
[08:54] <madnick> !fr
[08:54] <xubuntu721> thank you
[08:55] <madnick> :)
[09:36] <SiDi> hey can sbdy please paste a ls /boot for me? i also need the exact kernel version of 11.10 with no updates... thx
[09:37] <SiDi> knome ochosi ^
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> SiDi: paste.pocoo.org/show/508106
[09:46] <ochosi> SiDi: well_laid_lawn posted this for you but then your connection crashed: paste.pocoo.org/show/508106
[09:47] <SiDi> ty
[09:47] <SiDi> cant click link type http:// pls ^^
[09:50] <well_laid_lawn>  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/508106
[09:50] <well_laid_lawn> you can highlight with the mouse and middle click to paste
[09:54] <knome> SiDi, lol :P
[09:54] <knome> well_laid_lawn, he's just lazy
[09:55] <SiDi> im on a phone its complicated
[11:16] <bzn> hi guys
[11:16] <bzn> a have a problem with apt get
[11:16] <bzn> i cannot install any packages
[11:17] <Sysi> run apt-get update
[11:21] <daz4126_> Is it possible to run Ubuntu One in Xubuntu?
[11:22] <daz4126_> I was trying out #! Linux last night and was impressed that it comes with Dropbox already set up
[11:22] <knome> ubuntu one is not really supported
[11:22] <knome> i don't know if it could work at all or not
[11:23] <daz4126_> Dropbox works well in Xubuntu
[11:23] <daz4126_> Would it be possible to have it installed by default?
[11:23] <knome> you can add that to our roadmap for PP, and we'll see if people approve it and if it will get an assignee :)
[11:23] <daz4126_> #! also has some nice default key combinations that use super
[11:23] <knome> daz4126_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[11:24] <madnick> :|
[11:24] <knome> madnick, ?
[11:24] <madnick> dropbox is
[11:24] <Sysi> I could suggest hotkey swaps too
[11:24] <madnick> awesome, nvm
[11:25] <knome> Sysi, add an item to the roadmap, add yourself as the assignee, and write a specification
[11:25] <knome> Sysi, you could even add "Sysi + community" as the assignee
[11:26] <madnick> Isn't hotkeys swappable?
[11:26] <Sysi> but defaults suck
[11:26] <Sysi> super-s vs. alt F8
[11:26] <Sysi> or was it F9
[11:27] <knome> madnick, Sysi: i'm open for discussion. i don't have larger-than-life feelings towards them anyway
[11:27] <Sysi> I'll add them to roadmap when I get home
[11:27] <knome> though if it means changing what upstream gives us, we should think/discuss in changing stuff in upstream too, if possible
[11:28] <knome> s/in/about/
[11:28] <madnick> btw knome, that xfce menu editor guy, is that your friend?
[11:28] <daz4126_> eg super+w launches web brower in #!
[11:29] <knome> madnick, yes, was having a few beers with him yesterday
[11:29] <daz4126_> Conky is also installed as default in #! and the shortcut keys are displayed on the desktop, which is nice
[11:29] <daz4126_> madnick - is Dropbox a problem?
[11:30] <knome> there has been some really general discussion in including some conky stuff to xubuntu by default, but mostly be me only
[11:30] <madnick> Define problem :)
[11:31] <daz4126_> :|
[11:31] <knome> Sysi, you want me to add the item to the roadmap now?
[11:31] <daz4126_> I've not really seen conky before, but it was nice to have it by default
[11:32] <Sysi> knome: you could
[11:32] <knome> okay, i will
[11:33] <knome> Sysi, realname or nick?
[11:33] <Sysi> I was thinking more of window managment shortcuts, but those more general ones would be even easier to have
[11:33] <Sysi> knome: most xubuntu people propaböy recognize me better by nick
[11:33] <knome> i suppose that's the case with all of use :)
[11:33] <daz4126_> They all corresponded to the default apps
[11:33] <knome> -e
[11:33] <madnick> Im unsure why that autologin thing is on there, its not a current problem and not a future one, or did people want a GUI for that?
[11:34] <daz4126_> super+e = gedit, super+f = thunar etc
[11:34] <knome> daz4126_, i don't know if we want default application-shortcuts
[11:34] <knome> daz4126_, maybe for x-www-browser and such at most
[11:34] <Sysi> yeah, exo-launchers
[11:35] <daz4126_> Just saying it was a nice feature in #!
[11:35] <Sysi> I use super+F for fullscreen
[11:35] <knome> madnick, well, if you can't enable autologin without touching a conf file, i think it is a bug... since you were able to do that before OO with a gui
[11:36] <madnick> knome: i see, how was that in GDM?
[11:36] <madnick> In the settings panel?
[11:36] <knome> madnick, i'm not sure. i never used autologin really
[11:36] <Sysi> gdm1 had settings, for some time there was gdm2setup
[11:36] <daz4126_> I think autologin is an option when you install
[11:37] <knome> this might have had something to do with the alternative install
[11:37] <madnick> Well, it is arragneable to make the greeter itself invokable with a command that adds autologin to the config file, is that a solution?
[11:38] <knome> madnick, i didn't completely follow
[11:38] <knome> madnick, you mean like adding an option to the greeter?
[11:38] <madnick> Yes
[11:39] <knome> that would work for me, but i'd say let's have a quick poll about this in the next community meeting
[11:39] <madnick> Because while it would be possible to make a GUI for it, and add to the menu's, that seems more like something XFCE dev perhaps should look into, since the settings window seems like an XFCE thing :P
[11:39] <knome> yeah
[11:39] <knome> i added an item to the meeting agenda
[11:40] <madnick> awesome :)
[11:40] <Sysi> lightdm is xubuntu-stuff, not xfce
[11:40] <knome> should be a really quickie though
[11:40] <knome> madnick, maybe you want to set yourself as the assignee for the autologin stuff anyway
[11:40] <madnick> okay
[11:41] <knome> mmh, one should talk with the lightdm-dev if you want to build a GUI for that
[11:41] <knome> it should be callable from the xfce settings manager though
[11:42] <madnick> I *think* (not sure) Ubuntu already has a GUI
[11:42] <primary> I have to ask why everyone is interested in auto-login, what purpose does that serve beyond something like an internet kiosk with no private information on it? xlock/xdm/etc keep a very minimal amount of security around against 98% of people.
[11:42] <knome> yeah, we could investigate that too
[11:42] <Sysi> primary: my desktop is at home behing locked doors, why not
[11:42] <madnick> Yeah but its based around the default greeter aswell from what i can see
[11:42] <knome> primary, not everybody is, but if you have a single-user setup for a pc at home, autologin could be ideal
[11:43] <primary> Hmm, do you live with anyone else?
[11:43] <knome> primary, well that is something that is kind of meta-talk anyway. do you trust your wife?
[11:43] <knome> etc...
[11:43] <primary> No :(
[11:44] <knome> then you probably won't enable autologin. but if you do, why wouldn't you?
[11:44] <Sysi> I haven't *yet* set locks on my laptop..
[11:44] <madnick> no encrypted bootloader? :\
[11:44] <madnick> :D
[12:40] <bzn> sorry guys was afk
[12:40] <bzn> Sysi: i cant
[12:40] <bzn> im getting an errror
[14:05] <Sysi> how do I get gmusicbrowser to go to next song when current one ends? By default it jumps to some random song from album I don't even have selected
[14:05] <Sysi> I don't have shuffle enabled
[14:10] <testisteron> I have a problem with panel
[14:11] <testisteron> Notification Area work normally but Message applet doesn't seen
[14:12] <testisteron> When I minimized to Pidgin, It's closed
[14:12] <testisteron> And I can't resolve this
[14:13] <Sysi> do you have indicator applet in your panel?
[14:29] <testisteron> Thank you Sysi
[15:32] <tjingboem> how can i change the menu settings?
[15:32] <tjingboem> i want to change the path of a program
[15:32] <tjingboem> got it
[15:32] <tjingboem> sorry
[15:35] <GridCube> tjingboem: dont worry, no questions are dumb, except when they really really are
[15:35] <tjingboem> no, my question stands
[15:35] <GridCube> what is that you want to do tjingboem ¿
[15:35] <tjingboem> i thought it wab in Panel
[15:36] <tjingboem> i want to change the menu
[15:36] <tjingboem> and i do not talk about diner
[15:37] <GridCube> well, :P
[15:37] <tjingboem> but the applications menu
[15:38] <GridCube> :D
[15:38] <GridCube> yeah i got that
[15:38] <GridCube> the thing is, xfce doesnt really have a menu editor
[15:38] <GridCube> you can do however, what question 6 suggests: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10
[15:40] <GridCube> be aware that alacarte pulls half of gnome/compiz/unity with it if you dont do --no-install-recommends
[15:41] <hobgoblin> I played with alacarte a few months ago to do that - it was not completely satisfactory from memory - things I wnated to deal with weren't showing there - just a fyi
[15:42] <GridCube> well i never did, its just a thing, usually i just create a launchers box for things i want to do
[15:43] <hobgoblin> I just learnt about those things - assuming them to be what I Think they are - very useful
[15:54] <tjingboem> well, i like Xubuntu because it is more or less lightweight
[15:54] <tjingboem> don't wanna get a lot of compiz stuff
[15:55] <daz4126_> if you put --no-install-recommends then you will just get alacarte
[15:55] <daz4126_> it works fine
[15:56] <tjingboem> thanks daz4126_ , sounds good
[15:56] <tjingboem> i will dig into this
[15:57] <tjingboem> funny name a la carta
[15:57] <tjingboem> lol
[15:57] <tjingboem> a la cart
[15:58] <tjingboem> really getting hungry now
[16:04] <tjingboem> should autostart alacarte when i start Xubuntu?
[16:09] <GridCube> tjingboem: no. its just an editor
[16:10] <tjingboem> will the changes be reflected in the Applications menu of Xubuntu?
[16:41] <GridCube> tjingboem: they should yes
[16:44] <pteague_work> seems to be an issue with xfce4-weather-plugin ... doesn't seem to be getting data :(
[16:46] <pteague_work> "Weather report for: 99."... everything is 99... temp is 99F, wind speed is 99 mph, etc
[16:46] <GridCube> pteague_work: thats the weather channel fault
[16:47] <GridCube> they changed their xml schema
[16:47] <GridCube> and now you have to pay to see how it is or something like that
[16:49] <GridCube> but in any case the plugin should be rewritten
[16:49] <GridCube> and there are no plans to do so in the near time
[16:50] <GridCube> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008038.html
[16:51] <GridCube> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2011-November/029278.html
[16:59] <Sysi> I think I saw bug report with solution
[17:42] <jmcantrell> i just installed xubuntu on my eeepc, but network manager shows "device not ready" for the wireless. anyone seen this?
[17:45] <istok> for some reason the top/bottom toolbars are gone, they were available the last time i booted and now, if i minimize an application etc, it completely vanishes and i can't select it again :/
[17:46] <istok> i'm sure i have "save last session" selected
[18:36] <TheSheep> istok: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[19:33] <KaiRun> hey which ones are the sound fds in /dev/ ? i m having trouble finding them
[19:34] <TheSheep> KaiRun: fds?
[19:39] <pteague_work> KaiRun, might try /dev/snd/* ?
[19:39] <KaiRun> i m trying that but i get corrupted fd
[19:40] <KaiRun> or permission denied even though i m root
[19:40] <KaiRun> really strange
[19:40] <TheSheep> KaiRun: what are you trying to do?
[19:41] <KaiRun> pipe my ouput to some distortion programms
[19:41] <TheSheep> KaiRun: ouput?
[19:41] <KaiRun> output
[19:41] <TheSheep> KaiRun: output from what?
[19:42] <KaiRun> from the sound fd
[19:42] <TheSheep> fd?
[19:43] <KaiRun> file descriptor
[19:43] <holme> Hey, I just installed Openoffice, and the autocorrect wont work. The dictionaries are installed, etc etc
[19:43] <TheSheep> file descriptor is a structure in the memory of a running process that is used to access a file
[19:43] <holme> any advice?
[19:43] <TheSheep> it doesn't exist on the disk
[19:43] <TheSheep> the things on the disk are called files
[19:44] <KaiRun> so its a no?
[19:45] <TheSheep> I think ubuntu doesn't have /dev/dsp and such anymore by default
[19:45] <TheSheep> you might be able to enable them in alsa config somehow though
[19:45] <KaiRun> hmm
[19:46] <TheSheep> the ones in /dev/snd are probably more low-level things
[19:46] <TheSheep> just my guess
[19:46] <TheSheep> ah, /dev/dsp is for oss
[19:48] <TheSheep> I think alsa has oss emulation
[19:48] <TheSheep> alsa-oss
[19:49] <TheSheep> or you can use padsp in front of your command
[19:50] <KaiRun> ok i ll try
[19:50] <KaiRun> tnx
[19:53] <TheSheep> http://askubuntu.com/questions/11776/missing-dev-dsp-what-do-i-need-to-do-install-for-sound-input-from-mencoder
[20:26] <rhin0> can
[20:26] <rhin0> can;t enable twinview in 11.10 --- have nvidia recommended drivers loaded
[20:46] <alethiophile> did dist upgrade to oneiric, it replaced all my fonts with ugly spindly ones
[20:46] <alethiophile> how do I get the originals back?
[20:59] <alex___> greets
[21:29] <DoK> hi all
[21:53] <holme> Hey. How do I get the autocorrect to work in Openoffice. Everything is in place, but it just wont work...does anyone have any advice?
[22:42] <daz4126> Hey everybody, I've been playing around with some ideas for a xubuntu logo that combines the ubuntu logo with an X
[22:42] <daz4126> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17368814/xubuntu-logo.png
[22:45] <w30> ever since OSX came out everything has to be blue, God I hate blue... anything but blue for me.
[22:46] <w30> I work hard to get the blue out of my box.
[22:47] <w30> however I can get the blue out of anything with gimp *smile*
[22:47] <Unit193> daz4126: Hey, lets go to #xubuntu-offtopic since it's not support ;)  Can talk about it there
[22:48] <w30> I'll be quiet I promise....
[22:48] <w30> sorry
[22:49] <daz4126> blue was just the colors on the Xubuntu artwork page
[22:49] <daz4126> going into #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:54] <antnash> is there somewhere I can find a xubuntu 11.10 package list?