[00:00] <phunyguy> man, I am telling you. Winrar in wine is the way to go
[00:00] <phunyguy> at least for the crappy ones
[00:00] <phunyguy> and if it doesnt work, it's not unrar.
[00:00] <hallman> Well f.. I'm not installing wine.
[00:00] <phunyguy> suit yourself.
[00:00] <phunyguy> guess you have to wait for reruns.
[00:01] <phunyguy_vbox> wheee
[00:01] <BarkingFish> is it possible they have the wrong extension?
[00:02] <hallman> Tried unzip just now, dunno how to check what file it may "actually" be..
[00:02] <BarkingFish> i've encountered torrent files like that before, where the finished file is not what it said, like AVI's which are mpg, vice versa
[00:02] <BarkingFish> hallman: try renaming the last part of the file to .zip instead of .rar
[00:02] <phunyguy> man I am torn.  I love KDE, but every time I try it out, I have issues with SOMETHING.  This time it is browsing.  I like the freedom and flexibility of not using Unity, but I can also get that with Xubuntu.
[00:03] <hallman> cannot find zipfile directory in one of etc
[00:03] <phunyguy> hallman is it classic rar layout?  (.rar, .r01, .r02)
[00:03] <phunyguy> or whatever
[00:03] <hallman> yes
[00:03] <phunyguy> and you are selecting the .rar
[00:04] <phunyguy> (have to ask)
[00:04] <hallman> Selected .rar, .r00, and as I usually do, just the directory. Nothng works.
[00:04] <BarkingFish> can you test the archives?
[00:04] <hallman> I'll install some sfv checker.. one sec
[00:04] <genii-around> Yes, I believe unrar has a -t
[00:05] <BarkingFish> unrar  -t  <file goes here>
[00:06] <hallman> Are you talking about free or nonfree?
[00:06] <BarkingFish> whichever is linked to your unrar command :)
[00:06] <BarkingFish> mine is the free one
[00:07] <BarkingFish> just type unrar -t  and follow it with the path to the .rar file you want to test
[00:07] <hallman> Size, packed ratio, etc etc.. Lines... 0 0 0 -nan%
[00:08] <BarkingFish> how big does the rar claim to be?
[00:08] <phunyguy> the magic question
[00:09] <hallman> Well wtf, 0 bytes.. Isn't this embarrasing.. Why is ktorrent claiming that all dowloaded fine then. :/
[00:09] <ikonia> tone down the language
[00:09] <hallman> Are not even acronymes ok?
[00:09] <hallman> k then..
[00:09] <BarkingFish> sounds to me like it got corrupted on the way down, maybe the headers got messed up.
[00:10] <hallman> No I got a full disc.. Thought the files were downloaded before that thoug..
[00:10] <BarkingFish> it happens, i've seen it on P2P services, you finish a file, 100% complete, claims it's 80mb or something and turns out to be 3k or something silly
[00:12] <hallman> Well fine.. Sorry for taking it out on ubuntu I guess.. Like I said, shitty life in general, and ubuntu has caused me enough problems lately so why not take it out on the dist. :/
[00:13] <phunyguy> wow he just doesn't get it.
[00:14] <phunyguy> you can't just say "crappy"?
[00:14] <phunyguy> and friggin?
[00:14] <phunyguy> such a simple adjustment
[00:14] <BarkingFish> nor it appears, do you get it :)
[00:14] <phunyguy> wait, those are bad too?
[00:14] <phunyguy> are you serious?
[00:15] <BarkingFish> If you wouldn't use it in front of your little brother, don't use it in here :)
[00:15] <phunyguy> my little brother is 23 ;)
[00:15] <BarkingFish> lol
[00:15] <BarkingFish> you know what I mean
[00:15] <phunyguy> and I would use it in front of my grandmother,.
[00:15] <phunyguy> as well as my 5 year old daughter.
[00:15] <phunyguy> maybe that's just me... lol
[00:17] <BarkingFish> could you imagine your daughter's school calling cause she used one of those words in front of her teacher, and told them she learned it from (daddy, i assume) :)?
[00:17] <BarkingFish> sorry, ex Child social worker this end, forgive me if I seem rude.
[00:17] <phunyguy> she's homeschooled.
[00:18] <phunyguy> it's not rude... just really conservative.
[00:18] <phunyguy> the way I see it, as grown-ups, those words are fine.  Why teach that they are bad?
[00:18] <genii-around> Offtopic guys :)
[00:18] <Daskreech> lol
[00:19]  * Daskreech hugs genii-around
[00:19] <phunyguy> HE STARTED IT  ;)
[00:19] <BarkingFish> sorry genii-around - guess I just can't get the social worker out of me :P
[00:20] <BarkingFish> I'll lay off, apologies
[00:20] <phunyguy> so with all of this said.  I have made up my mind.
[00:20] <phunyguy> Kubuntu STILL is not ready for me.
[00:20] <phunyguy> Off to Xubuntu I go.... for now.
[00:21] <phunyguy> I will lurk here for any help I can provide.
[00:21] <BarkingFish> btw, ikonia - just to let you know, i think you may have just blocked one entire section of a huge student accomodation building in Sweden :)
[00:22] <BarkingFish> i won't tell you how to do your job, you know it better than me, but can he be blocked by nick? is that possible?
[00:22] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Hey question
[00:22] <phunyguy> yes Daskreech
[00:22] <Daskreech> what version of KDE are you running?
[00:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: They just change the nick and come back
[00:22] <phunyguy> 4.7.2
[00:22] <ikonia> BarkingFish: then they can deal with him
[00:23] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem :)
[00:23] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Want to try 4.7.3 ? also what version of NM do you have ?
[00:24] <phunyguy> I can I guess... and as far as NetManager, not sure
[00:24] <phunyguy> whatever is current for Kubuntu 11.10
[00:26] <phunyguy> hahaa virtualbox fail.
[00:27] <phunyguy> alright, be back in a jiff
[00:58] <simone> ciao a tutti
[01:02] <Daskreech> !it
[01:03] <solifugus> My .htaccess isn't working at all..  I don't get it.  I entered: sudo a2enmod rewrite  and also sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart .. no errors but it doesn't seem to work..
[01:03] <solifugus> I get a 403 forbidden error entering localhost/work/todo   where /work/todo should be going to index.php
[01:06] <solifugus> Here's the .htaccess http://pastebin.com/zw6g9Xz2
[01:13] <solifugus> ok... mod_rewrite is running.. .htaccess just isn't doing what it should be doing..
[03:17] <ledah> hello
[03:18] <ledah> i'm having a problem with plasma desktop
[03:18] <ledah> it keeps crashing
[03:46] <phunyguy> That BETTER not be the issue.  Well I feel sheepish.
[03:47] <phunyguy> I am behind a security appliance, and it is detecting lots of portscans to and from me for some reason
[03:47] <phunyguy> i set it to log only instead of drop... xD
[03:47] <phunyguy> (the issue was still occuring in Xubuntu)
[04:32] <iToxic> morgen
[04:32] <iToxic> :D
[04:34] <Daskreech> ?
[05:54]  * new2net is waiting for headers.
[06:07] <Daskreech> ok
[06:15] <Linuxephus> Could someone be so kind as to tell me when an update for Firefox 8 will be available for Kubuntu 11.04 and what the  delay for it is thus far?
[06:16] <Linuxephus> I'm assuming the unusual delay for the update the usual repository is due to Kubuntu 11.10 recently being released. Am i right or wrong?
[06:43] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: I'm not sure. I would think that since Firefox insists on all it's updates being called security updates now that FF8 will be available at some point in the main repo but they likely have a semi public PPA that tracks it in a more timely manner
[06:45] <Linuxephus> Ah, my thanks then Daskreech. Judging by your comment, the main repo must be still working on finishing touches to get it packaged properly for the aforementioned main repo.
[06:46] <Daskreech> I am speaking out of ignorance with regards to that package but it would seem to make sense that if it's a security update (which all FF updates are now) then it would be pushed
[06:47] <Daskreech> But that doesn't mean they will push it through rapidly unless it's a critical patch. More likely that they will make it available for wider testing and once they are confident enough that it's not a problematic package they will move it for general use for people who don't care
[06:47] <Linuxephus> As for semi public PPA's, even the Ubuntuzilla PPA has yet to have it packaged.
[06:49] <Linuxephus> Agreed in concern to your statement about possible testing. That sounds about right considering the time delays for it thus far.
[06:50] <Linuxephus> I thought as much myself, but wanted to double check what others might know of it as well. All in all, the delay makes sense if they're testing all of the above mentioned.
[06:51] <Linuxephus> My thanks for the input by the way Daskreech.
[06:53] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: You can ask in #ubuntu-devel (or check the Firefox launchpad page) if you want more info
[06:54] <Linuxephus> I'll head on over to the Firefox launchpad page as a matter of fact Daskreech. Thanks once again for the enlightening information. I bid you goodnight.
[06:55] <Daskreech> Good night
[07:06] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: You were right. FF8 is delayed until somewhere after the 17th of this month due to packaging testing for Kubuntu 11.04, including major changes being prepared for those still running FF3.6.x releases. Which readily explains certain delays in 11.04 on back.
[07:07] <Daskreech> Ah same day KDE gets tagged for 4.8 beta release :)
[07:08] <Linuxephus> Interesting you should mention that (so much for "goodnight"...LOLing). I'm still waiting for them to backport KDE 4.7 for the 11.04 series.
[07:32] <Palbuddy1234> hello! can anyone help me out setting up a samba share so I can stream stuff to xbmc on an xbox?  thanks in advance!
[10:30] <athena_> how to use kmail for Live Mail?
[10:32] <athena_> Does anybody can help me?
[10:56] <Marchitos> network manager plamoid is not fully translated in italian..who do i have to ask?
[11:45] <caesar_> i'm currently on Ubuntu 11.04.. i rolled back from 11.10 because of compatibility issues. Will I see the same issues with the latest Kubuntu release?
[11:47] <caesar_> should i go with 11.10 or stick with 10.04
[12:29] <tgr> KPackageKit problem: when I click the "Software updates" icon I always get an error "An unknown error has happened". What should I do?
[12:31] <drbobb> hi, why can't I edit the apps menu in oneiric?
[12:32] <drbobb> I mean the apps displayed by the standard "K" launcher?
[12:34] <drbobb> I can launch the menu editor and add my own items, they seem to be saved without errors, but unlike on previous releases -- they never appear in the menu
[12:35] <tgr> KPackageKit further problem: the "search" text entry box is permanently disabled. Can anyone help?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:55] <tgr> Ok, KPackageKit problem solved. I ran apt-get update, which failed but which told me the commands to run to fix it.
[13:08] <adarshajoisa> I have a problem with my sound. When I plug in my headphone into my laptop, the laptop speakers don't turn off. I need to open alsamixer and manually reduce the speaker volume. Is it a known bug?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> adarshajoisa, yes I'm afraid so , it's different each case as well
[13:19] <BluesKaj> ada do yo still have pulse audio installed. if so install the pavucontrol ..it  gives more options
[13:19] <BluesKaj> adarshajoisa,^
[13:19] <adarshajoisa> BluesKaj: :( That's a major inconvenience.
[13:19] <adarshajoisa> BluesKaj: ok. will try that.
[16:18] <snikker> hi i've got nvidia and intel graphics card on my notebook. how can i use nvidia card with full 3d support?
[16:28] <genii-around> snikker: Do you have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed?
[16:28] <snikker> genii-around: yes i've got it, installed from ubuntu repository
[16:42] <chaitu> Greetings All. Can anyone help me in installing new themes please? Am I right in thinking I cant install ubuntu themes for kubuntu? Also, after downloading the themes,what would be the next step? Thanks
[16:43] <genii-around> Ubuntu themes won't work on Kubuntu apps.
[16:43] <chaitu> Thanks.. can you tell me how to install kubuntu themes that I downloaded please?
[16:51] <ArchangelSe7en> chaitu, it's better to use the integrated download button
[16:51] <ArchangelSe7en> KickOff > search "styles"
[17:44] <adi11> hi. why is it that i boot on my gnu/linux os successfully once every two times? anyone can help.. thanks
[17:45] <genii-around> Is your boot drive some RAID1 with a failed drive?
[17:46] <adi11> i dont know that how can i see?
[17:48] <adi11> my hdd is a ata i think
[17:51] <rockprincess> hey guys, i have recently upgraded to 11.10 and i'm experiencing the same problems as these guys. i was wondering if anyone knew a fix to this issue, as it's really bugging me :(
[17:53] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, what guys ?
[17:53] <rockprincess> ooopsie sorry, i forgot to paste the link
[17:53] <rockprincess> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11462572
[17:53] <adi11> can anyone help? thanks
[17:54] <adi11> it really annoys me so much
[17:54] <rockprincess> the playback and the audio worked perfectly fine before the upgrade to 11.10 :(
[17:55] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, played back fine in which player ?
[17:55] <genii-around> adi11: The times when it doesn't boot, how far along does it get?
[17:55] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: doesn't matter, I've tried Dragon, VLC and the flash in firefox.....
[17:55] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: same symptoms.
[17:56] <adi11> Genii-around : about 1min 30 sec. than it load the os
[17:56] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: Amarok doesn't playback any sound at all. speakers are NOT on mute (i've triple checked ;))
[17:57] <adi11> it just stays there on kubuntu logo with white dotsthan i can hear hdd normal noise that is loading
[17:57] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, pls describe your symptoms and not someone else's , we need to know your details only
[17:58] <genii-around> adi11: So it actually does boot successfully every time but every second time it takes 90 seconds longer?
[17:58] <adi11> the times that fail, is like white dots loading than black screen and all you see is busy box and intramfs
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ok rockprincess , no sound at all or just none on amarok ?
[17:58] <adi11> no. it boots succesfully once in two.
[17:58] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, the symptoms are: the video plays in double speed, people move faster than they should. and I don't hear any audio at all. it's silent.
[17:59] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: absolutely no sound on Dragon, vlc, and Amarok....I can test it in audacity too, if it helps prove my symptoms ;)
[18:00] <adi11> first boot it fails and sends me on busybox initramfs. than i do a ctrl+alt+del. and it restarts. than second time it takes like 1min 30 sec but it finally load the os.
[18:00] <genii-around> adi11: Could you please pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg     ( assuming you are on GRUB2)
[18:01] <genii-around> !pastebin
[18:01] <adi11> ok
[18:02] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, have you checked you test in phonon/device preference and while you're there , is pulseaudio installed?
[18:02] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: thank you, i will check immediately!
[18:03] <adi11> genii-around : http://paste.ubuntu.com/740436/
[18:03] <adi11> i dont know if my grub is ver 2. i am on kubuntu 11.10 kernel 3.0.013
[18:07] <adi11> i dont know if this helps... i am on a hp dv 6700. dual boot win7/kubuntu. 3 gb ram, nvidia card. installed proprietary drivers for nvidia from kubuntu.
[18:09] <genii-around> adi11: OK. Your grub.cfg file looks fine. Can you pstebin now your /etc/fstab
[18:09] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, the phonon/device preference seems ok. i have hear the test sounds...apt-get says the latest version of pulseaudio is installed.
[18:09] <adi11> ok
[18:10] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: but i still have the same problem with video playback and sound.
[18:11] <adi11> genii-around : http://paste.ubuntu.com/740441/
[18:12] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, , the video problem is a new bug that I don't know how to fix , the audio may just be an unloaded sound module. cat /proc/asound/modules
[18:13] <genii-around> adi11: That too looks in order.
[18:14] <j_dulaney> Is there anyone here that went to SELF this past year?
[18:14] <adi11> so what is causing all this. i can t boot successfully every time.
[18:14] <rockprincess> BluesKay: output says:  0 snd_hda_intel 1 snd_hda_intel 29 thinkpad_acpi
[18:14] <adi11> my win7 boot far more faster than ubuntu
[18:15] <adi11> and it should be the opposite
[18:16] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: you somehow fixed my audio problem, at least i can now play music in Amarok....thanks sooo much :)
[18:16] <adi11> genii-around : do you need to see any other file output?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, ok, now , sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[18:18] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok done, this just loads the sound module, right? there shouldnt be an output from that?!
[18:18] <BluesKaj> no
[18:19] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, then open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf with root permissions, add this line at the bottom , options snd_hda_intel index=0
[18:20] <BluesKaj> that line makes the intel card your default at boot , rockprincess , it should work inall your players after you reboot
[18:21] <genii-around> adi11: Apologies on lag, trying to assist while at work here. No other files for the moment. You might try to rebuild your initrd by: sudo update-initramfs -u
[18:21] <reinaldo> After upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 I'm having problems with the appls: kradio4 and alsamixergui work only as root. Tvtime, trhough CX88 driver don't syntonize any channel. Does someone has any idea why?
[18:23] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: wonderful, shall I put a # comment tag in front of this line then? options snd-usb-audio index=-2 or is this being ignored anyway since the intel card is loaded first (index=0)
[18:24] <BluesKaj> index=-2 means it's not used , so no comment needed
[18:24] <adi11> genii-around : thanks for helping. if this might help. when it hangs on some times it goes on tty and there i can see some output from the sys. i see a lot of "ata1 device is slow to respond" and than error
[18:25] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: ok, cool! i will reboot now.....do you have any idea, why this was ignored/overwritten when i upgraded to 11.10?
[18:25] <genii-around> adi11: That may be a hardware issue also.
[18:26] <adi11> on my hdd?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, no , but it's a common problem with the intel audio , but fixable
[18:27] <rockprincess> BluesKaj: I think my video problem could be related to a driver problem as well..?!
[18:27] <genii-around> adi11: Can be the HD is developing bad areas, or that the controller is experiencing problems. You might want to check BIOS and see that boot order is like: CD, hard drive you have kubuntu on, other stuff below this
[18:28] <genii-around> adi11: Also maybe check in there about S.M.A.R.T. reporting ( when HD senses it is going bad and tells the computer)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> rockprincess, I don't have any idea
[18:28] <adi11> ok i will do that. but my cd does not workand i think i have disable it in bios.
[18:29] <AciD_> hi
[18:30] <AciD_> krename segfault on startup. I found a thread identifying the problem and it seems to be fixed in 4.0.7-2. Kubuntu 11.10 ships with 4.0.7-1. Is there a fix coming for ubuntu ?
[18:30] <adi11> geni-around : where can i see this SMART reporting?
[18:30] <AciD_> (it was 4.0.7-2 for fedora in that thread though)
[18:30] <AciD_> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684908
[18:33] <genii-around> adi11: There is in BIOS usually only a feature to either have it on or off. When it's on and HD is failing, computer will usually pause before bootloader and give a message about it.
[18:33] <genii-around> adi11: Where to find it in your BIOS varys from machine to machine
[18:34] <genii-around> Work, back in a few
[18:34] <adi11> ok thanks geni-around :)
[18:34] <Daskreech> also
[18:34] <Daskreech> !info smartmontools
[18:49] <tgr> Trying to create new mail folders in kontact silently fails. Any ideas what the problem might be?
[18:55] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[18:55] <kamilnadeem> guys I am facing quite a few problems on kubuntu 11.10 off late
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> the sound of the system goes out randomly and then
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> when irun a video file , the player will hang
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> same case while watching youtube
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> also the desktop shell has crashed one time too mnay
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> on me after the 4.7.3 update
[18:57] <kamilnadeem> why is all this happening?
[19:14] <BarkingFish> anyone know if it's possible to downgrade KDE?  i put 4.7.3 on and it's quite clearly busted. There's bugs filing left right and center over plasma-desktop keep dying.
[19:17] <skreech_> BarkingFish: sure. jsut remove kde take out your KDE 4.7.3 repos and reinstall
[19:17] <BarkingFish> is there a way that doesn't involve removing the whole of KDE?
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !info kdebase oneiric
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !info kdebase4 oneiric
[19:19] <BarkingFish> !kde
[19:22] <BarkingFish> OK, is 4.7.3 the current End user version of KDE on oneiric?
[19:22] <BarkingFish> I hope i've not installed a development version or something
[19:23] <genii-around> !info kdebase-runtime
[19:23] <BarkingFish> right, so I have got a development version.
[19:23]  * BarkingFish growls
[19:23] <BarkingFish> i've now got to find which repository I got it from and take it off.
[19:24] <genii-around> Probably somewhere like kubuntu-ppa-experimental
[19:24] <BarkingFish> righty ho, i'll look
[19:26] <BarkingFish> i got it from the kubuntu ppa, i have two, one is main, one is backports.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> both of those can now go, while I fix this failure on my part.
[19:26] <BarkingFish> So how do I completely uninstall KDE?
[19:28] <BarkingFish> right, got instructions. back later.
[19:40] <caesar__> chromium not available in kubuntu sources?
[19:41] <mirrakor_> caesar__: should be
[19:41] <caesar__> only been on it 10 minutes so i'm still new
[19:41] <BluesKaj> caesar__, chromium-browser
[19:41] <mirrakor_> sudo apt-getinstall chromium-browse
[19:41] <genii-around> !info chromium-browser
[19:41] <caesar__> i was looking in software center
[19:41] <mirrakor_> "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser" I mean
[19:43] <mirrakor_> But now another question, what happens if you click this address: foo@bar.tld (Somehow when I open mail adresses it opens an composer window - but it doesn't fill in the address, is this just me or for everyone? )
[19:43] <mirrakor_> I know a workaround for that, but I'm wondring if that's a general bug
[19:46] <skreech_> caesar__: try refresh sources
[19:47] <caesar__> i see it now
[19:49] <caesar__> is there a way to pull up all vdesktops on one screen
[19:51] <BluesKaj> caesar__, slide your cursor to the upper left hand corner
[19:51] <caesar__> niice
[19:52] <caesar__> i gotta learn all the tricks
[19:52] <caesar__> just switched from ubuntu today..
[19:52] <skreech_> Ctrl+F8
[19:52] <caesar__> i gotta say this is way cleaner
[19:53] <caesar__> and sexier
[19:54] <Daskreech> \o/ sexy
[19:54] <Daskreech> Everynow and again I will put my animation on to ridiculously slow just to see it unfold :)
[19:55] <Daskreech> mirrakor_: Opens with the email for me
[19:55] <BarkingFish> evening guys. Right, this is turning into a fair old adventure
[19:55] <BarkingFish> I really need help
[19:55]  * BluesKaj shakes his head ....sexy ?
[19:55] <Daskreech> 1888helpme
[19:55] <BarkingFish> I've deleted most of the 4.7.3 parts of kde, killed kdm and i'm in irssi - I am still seeing bits of kde 4.7.3 in the system and I can't get rid of them.
[19:55] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: You don't really get to decide what constitutes as that :)
[19:56] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 && sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:56] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: excellent :)
[19:56] <caesar__> BarkingFish: yes, sexy
[19:56] <BarkingFish> one sec while I switch ttys
[19:56] <caesar__> i has a visual orgasm after i installed
[19:56] <caesar__> had*
[19:57] <Daskreech> lol more than possibly we needed to know but I think that was the intent
[19:57] <BarkingFish> well that didn't work.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, , hope you removed the ppas from source.list.d
[19:57] <BarkingFish> It says kdelibs5 isn't installed, so it's not been removed
[19:57] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I did
[19:57] <BluesKaj> good
[19:57] <caesar__> Daskreech: by animations are you speaking of compiz?
[19:58] <BarkingFish> but I'm still seeing a lot of kdeprogs like Kamera and stuff at 4.7.3 in aptitude
[19:58] <Daskreech> caesar__: Kwin
[19:58] <caesar__> is that similar?
[19:58] <Daskreech> Yes
[19:58] <BarkingFish> it also tells me I have "held broken packages" when I try to install anything
[19:58] <Daskreech> what have you held?
[19:59] <BarkingFish> nothing to my knowledge
[19:59] <caesar__> i had that error when trying to install packages that were from an earlier distro
[19:59] <caesar__> not compatible with current version
[20:01] <caesar__> kwin gonna be my new favorite app
[20:01] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: how do I find out if anything is held?
[20:02] <Daskreech> caesar__: It's pretty sweet. Wait till you learn alt+ctrl+A
[20:02] <caesar__> update sources?
[20:02] <caesar__> Daskreech: it's not doing anything?
[20:03] <caesar__> maybe it knows i havn't learned it yet.. lol
[20:03] <Daskreech> caesar__: anytime something is flashing in the taskbar it will jump you to it
[20:03] <Daskreech> very useful. very addicitve
[20:08]  * caesar__ is patiently waiting for notification
[20:08] <caesar__> lol
[20:09]  * BarkingFish sighs deeply
[20:09] <BarkingFish> this is not going well.
[20:09]  * genii-around twitches
[20:10] <BarkingFish> all i have is a cli and a program i don't know how to use in order to sort my pc out :(
[20:10]  * Resistance slaps genii-around for twitching
[20:11] <genii-around> Resistance: I blame it on caffeine overload today. 11th mug of coffee.
[20:11] <BarkingFish> do I need to uninstall everything which is related to kde 4.7.3 as well as kde itself?
[20:11] <Resistance> genii-around:  i'm on my 8th triple espresso, and i havent exploded :P
[20:11] <BarkingFish> genii-around: join the club. I've had more caffeine than food today
[20:12]  * Resistance has had enough caffeine to kill a normal human
[20:12] <BarkingFish> if you've had more than 1000mg of caffeine, you're doing well
[20:13] <BarkingFish> anyway, i just need to get kde 4.7.2 back and i'm done, any ideas?
[20:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: do you have kdebase ?
[20:15] <Daskreech> caesar__: does this work ?
[20:15] <caesar__> yep
[20:15] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: no
[20:15] <caesar__> nice touch
[20:15] <Daskreech> genii-around: can you get a list of held packages?
[20:15] <BarkingFish> i tried to install it, Daskreech and got told it's been obsoleted - something else refers to it, but it's not present
[20:16] <BarkingFish> unless i'm using the wrong package name
[20:16] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you remove the kde 4.7.3 repos ?
[20:16] <BarkingFish> yes
[20:16] <BarkingFish> i know where i went wrong, i had the ppa from neon and also kubuntu's proposed ppa on too
[20:17] <BarkingFish> both gone, as are all my other 3rd party repositories.  history.
[20:17] <BarkingFish> from now on, if kubuntu don't issue it, i'm not installing it. shoot this for a game of soldiers, i'm not going through it again :)
[20:18] <mirrakor_> For the records: it was just a firefox problem, not sure how it works for default, but I had to manually add "kmail --composer %s" for mailto:-links
[20:18] <BluesKaj> odd , only have a few issues with kde , but some are really annoying
[20:19] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: this one was a pest, i've seen more bugs filed against plasma-desktop on 4.7.3 than i have against pretty much anything else. a
[20:19] <BarkingFish> *and that's only in the last couple of days
[20:20] <BluesKaj> just upgraded my other pc to 12.04 ...sems fine , sound even works without pulseaudio ...happiness!
[20:20] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: maybe just be more careful of what you have and keep on :)
[20:20] <Daskreech>  I've installed software from a PPA then disabled it right after before
[20:20] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the problem is, one of the progs I want and need is only issued from a ppa
[20:20] <Daskreech> caesar__: isn't it?
[20:21] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: so install it then disable the PPA unless that's the only thing in the PPA
[20:21] <BarkingFish> SynCE, for syncing my WM2003 iPAQ to KDE
[20:21] <BarkingFish> then I don't get the updates
[20:21] <BarkingFish> catch 22.
[20:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: if it's the only thing in the PPA that's fine
[20:22] <BarkingFish> ok then, it'll go back.
[20:22] <BarkingFish> When I get KDE reinstalled....
[20:22] <Daskreech> It's when you have huge PPAs that's an issue
[20:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: You could go crazy and remove X :)
[20:23] <BarkingFish> i'm still getting told I've held broken packages.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I've held nothing whatsoever. I don't understand this.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I just want my GUI back.
[20:24]  * BarkingFish sits and shakes in the corner. 
[20:24] <BarkingFish> I don't like working on a CLI.
[20:26] <genii-around> BarkingFish: This looks interesting
[20:26] <genii-around> BarkingFish: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/
[20:27] <BarkingFish> which I can't open, since I'm in a cli, and have no DM to run a browser off :)
[20:27] <Daskreech> !puregnoem
[20:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: you have w3m
[20:27] <Daskreech> cause UNIX is amazing!!
[20:27] <genii-around> There's also links
[20:27] <genii-around> !info links
[20:28] <BarkingFish> what I need is someone first to help me fix this package issue, which i don't understand
[20:28] <BarkingFish> I'm sorry if I seem desperate, that may be because I am.
[20:29] <BarkingFish> i don't have a clue how to use aptitude, i'm essentially lost on a text only terminal.
[20:33] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: what the command yo uare using?
[20:34] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: apt-get install kdebase-workspace
[20:35] <BarkingFish> or apt-get install kde* take your pick
[20:35] <BarkingFish> none of them work
[20:35] <genii-around> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold      should show you whatever's on hold
[20:35] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  what's broken
[20:35] <BarkingFish> i get the same error every time - it wants to install 4.7.3
[20:35] <BarkingFish> Resistance: you can take your choice, it's all good :P
[20:36] <BarkingFish> yet I have no 4.7.3 repos in my list, no backports, nothing
[20:36] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  so basically your  entire system is broken?
[20:36] <Resistance> :P
[20:36] <BarkingFish> Resistance: i have no KDE, I cannot reinstall kde because the system claims I've held broken packages
[20:36] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: does genii-around's command give you anything ?
[20:36] <BarkingFish> when in fact, I've held precisely squat
[20:37] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  i take it backup/reinstall is not an option?
[20:37] <BarkingFish> not an option
[20:37] <BarkingFish> i had enough trouble getting 11.10 on here the first time round, i'm not doing it again :)
[20:37] <Daskreech> :-)
[20:37] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  11.04 isnt an option? :P
[20:37]  * Resistance never upgraded for this reason :P
[20:37] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: read that, can't use it cause I can't copypaste all the stuff off the webpage
[20:38] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[20:38] <BarkingFish> Resistance: i'd rather not go back to natty.
[20:38] <BarkingFish> ok Daskreech - one moment
[20:38] <BarkingFish> returns nothing
[20:40] <BarkingFish> all this to downgrade because one package is borked
[20:42] <root____> hi
[20:43] <genii-around> BarkingFish: sudo rm /var/cache/apt    ..which wipes out pkgcache.bin  srcpkgcache.bin  .. then update and see if it still says about held broken packages
[20:43] <genii-around> /var/cache/apt/*  rather
[20:44] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll have a go, i'm just taking out all the other stuff in aptitude showing under KDE / main with a 4.7.3 on the version
[20:44] <BarkingFish> i think i've figured it out. possibly.
[20:44] <BarkingFish> i hope
[20:48] <BarkingFish> ok, i'm still getting the broken package errors
[20:49] <BarkingFish> what I want to know is where it's getting the 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 versions from for install.
[20:50] <BarkingFish> is there anyway I can remove all my sources on the cli and install a fresh set?
[20:50] <BarkingFish> i will get this to work if it kills me
[20:51] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache policy
[20:53] <BarkingFish> ok, i didn't understand any of that, but it looked good :)
[20:53] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache is a command
[20:53] <BarkingFish> Basically, everything starts with a 500, then gives me details of the packages
[20:53] <BarkingFish> /s/packages/repositories
[20:53] <Daskreech> policy is an instruction to make it tell you apt's policy on a package
[20:53] <Daskreech> then you put the package you want
[20:54] <Daskreech> It will tell you the version you have installed the repos that have a package of the same name and what reop will be used if you install//update it
[20:55] <Daskreech> as well as version numbers etc
[20:55] <BarkingFish> installed: none / candidate 4:4.7.2-0-ubuntu1  for kdebase-runtime
[20:55] <BarkingFish> but when I try to install it, it wants to install all of 4.7.3's packages as its depends
[20:55] <Daskreech> there it will install 4.7.2 for kdebase-runtime
[20:56] <Daskreech> from which repo?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> said it's from /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:58] <BarkingFish> which starts with 100
[20:59] <BarkingFish> i have just had a thought...
[20:59] <BarkingFish> i know it's rare, but I'll be back in a sec
[21:00] <BarkingFish> ok, the thought doesn't help.
[21:00] <BarkingFish> The status file shows a lot of kde packages which are at 4.7.3
[21:01] <BarkingFish> and when i pull the policy on kde-runtime, it says the candidate is 4.7.2, but the 4.7.3 version is gonna be installed. I'm sure I can override that, just can't remember how
[21:03] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install kde-runtime=4.7.2-0
[21:06] <BarkingFish> well that started to work, Daskreech
[21:07] <BarkingFish> I got this, apologies for the long message: kde-runtime: depends kdelibs5-plugins (>= 4:4.6.80) but it is not going to be installed
[21:08] <BarkingFish> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[21:08] <BarkingFish> what's the dpkg command for fixing stuff when it shows up as broken?
[21:09] <Daskreech> 4.6.80 is 4.7.0 beta
[21:09] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i have no idea then.
[21:09] <BarkingFish> I know of dpkg -i  something goes after it, can't recall what.
[21:10] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get -f install
[21:11] <BarkingFish> thanks
[21:12] <BarkingFish> didn't do anything, 0 newly installed, 0 upgraded, 0 removed and 0 not installed
[21:16] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i think something is really broken here now.
[21:16] <BarkingFish> I just did apt-cache unmet to check for unmet deps
[21:16] <Daskreech> Hold on there is a dpkg command but I don't recall it off the top of my head
[21:16] <BarkingFish> the list that scrolled past my eyes lasted a good 25 seconds and gave me a headache
[21:16] <BarkingFish> i just did that one
[21:17] <Daskreech> ah :)
[21:17] <BarkingFish> dpkg --configure -a
[21:17] <Daskreech> tha's it :)
[21:17] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: can You pastebin that list ?
[21:17] <BarkingFish> i don't know how to do it, Daskreech - this is what I said earlier.
[21:17] <BarkingFish> Unless I have a GUI i'm lost
[21:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: do you have pastebinit ?
[21:18] <BarkingFish> i do now
[21:18] <Daskreech> lol :-D
[21:19] <Daskreech> run the apt-cache unmet and pipe it to pastebinit
[21:19] <BarkingFish> right now, i'd try gnawing my own hands off as long as this is working before I go to bed :)
[21:19] <BarkingFish> ok, back in a sec
[21:19] <Daskreech> usual gibberish
[21:19] <Daskreech> it will give you a URL put that url in this chan so we can see it
[21:20] <BarkingFish> right that's apt-cache unmet > pastebinit or | pastebinit
[21:21] <Daskreech> |
[21:21] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:21] <Daskreech> > is a redirect
[21:21] <Daskreech> it will make a file named pastebinit that has  the output of the command
[21:21] <Daskreech> Which technically you could then pastebin with $: pastebinit pastebinit
[21:21] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/740605/
[21:21] <Daskreech> Whoot
[21:22] <BarkingFish> brb
[21:22] <Daskreech> That's ... a large list
[21:22] <Daskreech> ok time to start dissecting
[21:23] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: as I said, it took +-25 seconds to go past my eyes when I ran it, and with a photosensitive epileptic, repeating patterns like that are not good :/
[21:24] <Daskreech> ah and I guess you can't ctrl+c that quickly
[21:24] <BarkingFish> no
[21:24] <BarkingFish> cause i can't constantly watch the screen while it's going past
[21:27] <BarkingFish> so from the looks of that list, i have 10341 packages with unmet deps :P
[21:28] <caesar__> Daskreech: why wouldnt a wireless driver load?
[21:29] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: can you run cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit ?
[21:29] <caesar__> http://pastebin.com/VsKzGBL6
[21:29] <BarkingFish> sure Daskreech - give me a moment
[21:30] <Daskreech> !broadcom
[21:30] <BarkingFish> cat: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory :)
[21:31] <BarkingFish> paste number 740614
[21:31] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sorry put a /* at the end of that
[21:31] <BarkingFish> :P
[21:31] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: so cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit ?
[21:31] <BarkingFish> no such file or directory
[21:31] <genii-around> caesar__: Install the linux-headers package for your running kernel
[21:32] <caesar__> genii-around: not quite familiar
[21:33] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: good enough
[21:33] <caesar__> in other words.. i've never done it before
[21:33] <genii-around> caesar__: eg: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[21:33] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: do you have what you need from that first paste?
[21:33] <Daskreech> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740605/ seems like a pretty interesting update/repo error
[21:34] <BarkingFish> taking 1 package and 1 replace per line, I have over 10k packages with unmet dependencies... that scares the thingies out of me :)
[21:34] <genii-around> Daskreech: Ouch
[21:34] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: checking
[21:35] <Daskreech> genii-around: yeah I'm trying to figure some of it out. Hopefully it's a one line fix
[21:35] <BarkingFish> i need a coffee before i go gaga, back in a couple of minutes
[21:35] <genii-around> Mmmm coffee
[21:35] <BarkingFish> keep typing, i can scroll irssi if i need to
[21:35] <BarkingFish> genii-around: rocket fuel. coffee + guarana
[21:35] <BarkingFish> and at this moment in time, i need all the help i can get
[21:35] <Daskreech> seems to be an abnormal amount of natilus depends in there for a KDE install
[21:39] <genii-around> Daskreech: Yes. http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/kubuntu-desktop also does not list anything nautilus-related as a dependancy or a recommends
[21:39] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/WeECAiVZ
[21:39] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get remove kpat
[21:40] <Daskreech> Hold on let me give you full list
[21:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get remove kpat kcmutils4 libkldap4 libktnef4 libkactivities5 kdepim-runtime libkimproxy4 libqt4-dbus gwenview libkdecore5 && sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:43] <Daskreech> that should pull out a good number more of corner depends
[21:45] <genii-around> caesar__: Can you pastebin /var/log/jockey.log  file please
[21:45] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: ok, I'll do those now. It might take some time as I'm alternating between TTY1 and TTY 2 to do this
[21:46] <caesar__> genii-around: the last part or the whole thing?
[21:46] <genii-around> caesar__: Since I don't know what part might contain errors relevant to the wl driver, the whole thing
[21:47] <genii-around> caesar__: Also please pastebin result of:  grep wl /etc/modprobe.d/*
[21:48] <BarkingFish> right Daskreech kcmutils4 isn't installed, says it's unable to locate the package
[21:48] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Umm give me a moment
[21:49] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:49] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: libkcmutils4
[21:49] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:49] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/j55bBVyq
[21:49] <Daskreech> You can jsut press up to get back the old line and edit it
[21:49] <BarkingFish> now we're getting somewhere
[21:49] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Close your eyes :)
[21:50] <BarkingFish> 1 newly installed, 131 to remove
[21:50] <Daskreech> Hmm ok
[21:50] <Daskreech> Let it go
[21:50] <BarkingFish> holy shlomoly.  It's taking off a lot of stuff I didn't even realise was anything to do with KDE
[21:50] <caesar__> genii-around: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-watchdog.conf:blacklist twl4030_wdt
[21:51] <BarkingFish> it's stripped phonon and its backends, vlc, and 129 other assorted pieces of whatever
[21:51] <caesar__> genii-around: this is a clean install and everything is stock
[21:52] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the whole command has completed successfully, no errors
[21:52] <BarkingFish> And I'm now 206mb lighter :)
[21:52] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: ha ha whoot!
[21:53] <genii-around> caesar__: What is the vendor: device code for the wireless?
[21:53] <Daskreech> ok lets try apt-cache unmet | grep 4.7.3 | pastebinit
[21:53] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:53] <caesar__> genii-around: how do i locate that
[21:53] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: paste 740630
[21:54] <BarkingFish> that took barely a couple of seconds
[21:54] <genii-around> caesar__: If you do: lspci -nn        it's the numbers at the end of the line like ( 8086:0001 )
[21:54] <genii-around> Work, back in a few
[21:54] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: *coughs* could you do sudo apt-get update
[21:55] <BarkingFish> done
[21:55] <Daskreech> then run the apt-cache unmet grep command without the pastebin
[21:55] <Daskreech> let me know how many things it shows
[21:55] <caesar__> 8086:2932?
[21:56] <caesar__> genii-around: I get alot of numbers like that
[21:56] <caesar__> let me paste
[21:56] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: according to vi, the output is 130 lines, i'd guesstimate about 120 of those are items
[21:57] <caesar__> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/zKKCVPie
[21:58] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: count reveals 108 items, some share unmet deps
[21:58] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: ok pastebinit and lets see what else needs some help out of the system
[21:59] <BarkingFish> i did pastebin the results
[21:59] <BarkingFish> from the other command you gave me, the paste number is 740630
[21:59] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/740630/
[22:00] <caesar__> genii-around: i have updates pending reboot.. i'll be right back just to rule that out as an issue
[22:00] <caesar__> brb
[22:03] <Daskreech> Ah right
[22:03] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Sooo kpat is still there?
[22:04] <BarkingFish> no
[22:04] <BarkingFish> not according to the system
[22:04] <Daskreech> apt-cache unmet | grep kpat I meant
[22:04] <BarkingFish> i'll send a fresh paste up
[22:04] <Daskreech> ok thank
[22:05] <Daskreech> s
[22:05] <BarkingFish> yes, 3 versions of i
[22:05] <BarkingFish> *it
[22:05] <BarkingFish> 4.7.3, 4.7.2 and 4.7.1
[22:06] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740642/
[22:06] <BarkingFish> i think we need a script writing, or we need to get KDE to write one to help you downgrade to a previous version :)
[22:07] <caesar__> genii-around: back
[22:07] <BarkingFish> It would be so much easier than having to pester you guys for almost 3 hours +
[22:07] <genii-around> caesar_: Does lsmod | grep acer_wmi   produce a result?
[22:08] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: normally I jsut remove kdelibs5 and auto remove cleans up the rest
[22:08] <caesar__> genii-around: no
[22:08] <BarkingFish> well whatever's happened here, i'm determined that it won't happen again
[22:09] <Daskreech> what's apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop say ?
[22:09] <BarkingFish> no more proposed stuff for me, from now on if it's not ready, it's not going on my kit, simple.
[22:09] <caesar__> .
[22:10] <BarkingFish> installed (none): candidate: 1.239
[22:11] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop
[22:12] <caesar_> .
[22:12] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/740648/
[22:12] <genii-around> caesar_: Is there anything in the directory /lib/firmware/brcm  ?
[22:13] <genii-around> ( particularly bcm43xx-0.fw  and bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw )
[22:13] <caesar__> .
[22:13] <genii-around> caesar__: Is there anything in /lib/firmware/brcm   ( particularly bcm43xx-0.fw and bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw )
[22:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-cache policy kdm
[22:14] <Daskreech> what's the candidate version?
[22:14] <BarkingFish> 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu2, Daskreech
[22:14] <genii-around> Well thats hopeful
[22:15] <Daskreech> yep
[22:15] <caesar__> genii-around: yes i have both +2
[22:15] <Daskreech> ok
[22:15] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try sudo apt-get install kubutu-desktop
[22:15] <BarkingFish> doesn't work. i'll paste up the output
[22:16] <genii-around> caesar__: Please try: sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe b43     ... and then pastebin result of:  dmesg | tail
[22:16] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: paste.ubuntu.com/740653/
[22:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo apt-get remove ark
[22:18] <caesar_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/i55zjfPZ
[22:19] <BarkingFish> not installed, Daskreech
[22:19] <Daskreech> o_O
[22:19] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy ark
[22:19] <BarkingFish> jcgs: welcome :)  Nice to see someone from one of my old stomping grounds :)
[22:19] <genii-around> caesar_: OK, this one uses different firmware, whic is not being found.
[22:20] <jcgs> Hi :)
[22:20] <BarkingFish> installed: none - Candidate: 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:20] <caesar_> genii-around: installed fine in ubuntu
[22:20] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install ark
[22:21] <BarkingFish> unable to install, depends: kde-runtime but it is not going to be installed.
[22:21] <BarkingFish> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[22:21] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy kde-runtime
[22:21] <BarkingFish> same results as per ark, Daskreech
[22:21] <genii-around> caesar_: sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:22] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try install that
[22:22] <BarkingFish> candidate is 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:22] <Daskreech> I'm going to guess it's a qt package holding everything up
[22:23] <BarkingFish> Unable to install: - depends: libplasma3 (>= 4:4.6.80) (not going to be installed)
[22:23] <BarkingFish> same message with kdelibs5-plugins
[22:24] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: is libplasma3 installed ?
[22:24] <BarkingFish> also plasma-scriptengine-javascript (= 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1)
[22:24] <BarkingFish> same message on all 3
[22:24] <caesar_> genii-around: installed
[22:24] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: same again
[22:25] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: try install libplasma3 see what it requires
[22:25] <genii-around> caesar_: Now does /lib/firmware/b43    have that ucode file in there?
[22:25] <Daskreech> Jsut follow it back till you find somethign that's already installed
[22:26] <BarkingFish> needs libthreadweaver3 (=4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 is going to be installed
[22:26] <caesar_> genii-around: 117 items in that folder
[22:26] <BarkingFish> got it
[22:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: which isn't installed and has a candidate for 4.7.3 ?
[22:27] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: it was libthreadweaver4, not 3, apologies, and it's already installed
[22:27] <genii-around> BarkingFish: eg: sudo apt-get install libsomethng-or-other=4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[22:27] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: dump it then
[22:27] <BarkingFish> libthreadweaver4 is already the newest version
[22:27] <BarkingFish> ok
[22:28] <caesar_> brb gonna try to connect
[22:28] <genii-around> caesar_: Does ls /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw      produce a result?
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: done
[22:28] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: essentially what's happening is that you have something from 4.7.3 installed that raises the min requirement of other things
[22:28] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: apt-get install libplasma3
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: purge should support that
[22:28] <BarkingFish> in my opinion
[22:29] <BarkingFish> apt-get remove --purge -v=4.7.3 would be a nice option
[22:29] <caesar_> genii-around: yes, and my wifi light turned blue
[22:29] <BarkingFish> but i couldn't do that in a hundred years
[22:29] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: I don't understand what that would mean :-/
[22:29] <BarkingFish> wh00t
[22:30] <genii-around> caesar_: Good
[22:30] <BarkingFish> it's working
[22:30] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: that's it then :)
[22:30] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: the command would be apt-get remove with the purge option, to strip everything from (-v)ersion 4.7.3
[22:30] <Daskreech> You can do that with dpkg -get-selections
[22:31] <BarkingFish> you can???
[22:31] <BarkingFish> ...
[22:31] <BarkingFish> right, all that gubbins has installed with NO errors :D
[22:32] <BarkingFish> what do I do now?
[22:32]  * BarkingFish is getting excited. He may have a GUI back prior to midnight :)
[22:32] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: sudo service kdm start
[22:32] <BarkingFish> kdm stop/waiting
[22:33] <BarkingFish> you don't need the sudo thing, btw, i'm in on cli as root, in the other terminal :)
[22:33] <Daskreech> right
[22:35] <BarkingFish> BINGO!
[22:36] <BarkingFish> kdelibs5-data was holding the install back of other stuff
[22:36] <BarkingFish> just took that off, went and installed kdebase-runtime, and everything else appears to be following it
[22:37] <cracker34> всем здарова!
[22:37] <BarkingFish> !ru
[22:37] <cracker34> да
[22:37] <BarkingFish> :)
[22:38] <cracker34> а что тут бульше руских нет???
[22:39] <caesar_> genii-around: it seems like it's loading but it's not scanning for networks
[22:40] <BarkingFish> cracker34: #ubuntu-ru, here, english only.
[22:40] <Daskreech> cracker34: тип / присоединиться к #ubuntu-ru
[22:40] <Daskreech> cracker34: тип /join #ubuntu-ru
[22:40]  * BarkingFish misses google translate
[22:40] <caesar_> it's not available no more?
[22:41] <BarkingFish> jp
[22:41] <BarkingFish> not that, caesar_ - i have no GUI at the moment, and google translate doesn't work in w3m or lynx
[22:41] <BarkingFish> it's still about
[22:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: :-) I think that should be fixed
[22:42] <caesar_> IC
[22:42] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: this is crazy :)  I just apt-get install kdm, and my screen just filled twice over with what it needs to install
[22:42] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: kde is kindahuge
[22:42] <BarkingFish> you ain't kidding :)
[22:42] <Daskreech> If you pull X off your computer it takes something like 2GB
[22:42] <BarkingFish> omg
[22:42] <Daskreech> With X installed and a DE it's closer to 10 GB
[22:43] <Daskreech> somethign like 7 GB of GUI toolkits
[22:43] <BarkingFish> needs to get 39.2mb of archives, 189mb will be used after the install
[22:43] <BarkingFish> 199 new packages to pull
[22:43] <genii-around> caesar_: Any results if you do a manual: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan        (if device name is not wlan0 put correct device name there)
[22:43] <BarkingFish> i suppose I better make sure it's installing 4.7.2 :)
[22:44] <Daskreech> I remember when I started using linux and netscape/mozilla was 11 MB and I used to cry at how big that was
[22:45] <BarkingFish> what the hell?
[22:45] <BarkingFish> sorry
[22:45] <BarkingFish> it looks like it's installing gnome...
[22:45] <caesar_> genii-around: No Scan Results
[22:45] <caesar_> and i should have at least 3
[22:45] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: I think i may need your help
[22:45] <BarkingFish> again
[22:46] <Daskreech> Noooooooooo
[22:46]  * Daskreech flees
[22:46] <Daskreech> whats' up?
[22:46] <BarkingFish> I now have gnome-control-center and lots of files about unity, and various other things
[22:46] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: that's fine let it go
[22:46] <Daskreech> You can run purekde when you are done
[22:46] <Daskreech> !purekde
[22:46] <BarkingFish> i hope to the Pope it's not installed Gnome, or I will jump out of my window
[22:46]  * BarkingFish dislikes gnome in possibly the most unpleasant way
[22:47] <genii-around> caesar_: Please pastebin results of command: rfkill list
[22:48] <BarkingFish> brb
[22:49] <caesar_> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/r5dVkQH0
[22:51] <genii-around> caesar_: Is there some access point nearby it could be seeing?
[22:52] <caesar_> i use my phone to tether.. and there are 1 comcast router and 1 verizon router
[22:52] <manuel__> canales
[22:52] <caesar_> genii-around: yes there are 2-3 maybe 4 other connections that have been seen by win7 and ubuntu
[22:53] <genii-around> Hm
[22:54] <caesar_> is this a head scratcher?
[22:54] <Daskreech> !es
[22:55] <genii-around> caesar_: The broadcoms are notorious for not working properly :-/
[22:55] <BarkingFish> we're still not running right.
[22:56] <caesar_> genii-around: wait let me try to activate the additional drivers now
[22:56] <BarkingFish> KDM wants to start, but now I get a small white box: Xsession /usr/bin/startkde Xsession: /usr/bin/startkde not found
[22:58] <genii-around> BarkingFish: install kde-workspace-bin
[22:59] <BarkingFish> ok genii-around - thanks
[22:59] <BarkingFish> I take it Daskreech has gone for some valium or something after the time I just gave him :)
[22:59] <BarkingFish> :P
[23:01] <genii-around> BarkingFish: I have to go soon myself
[23:01] <BarkingFish> had to do another trackback to a leftover package
[23:01] <BarkingFish> but I've got that one as well
[23:01] <BarkingFish> another 68.9Mb and 49 packages en route :)
[23:01] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:02] <Daskreech> Not sure why kubuntu-desktop isn't installing all this stuff itself
[23:02] <BarkingFish> Well thank you for your help, genii-around and Daskreech - it's taken bloody ages, I feel like I should be paying you for this.
[23:02] <BarkingFish> sorry for the language, btw
[23:02] <caesar_> genii-around: it's downloading and installing drivers.. just going extra slow because im on 3G tether. but i'm pretty sure thats what's left
[23:02] <caesar_> 40%
[23:03] <genii-around> caesar_: OK. I'll hang around here at work a little longer to see how it goes... but I'm going for a smoke now, back in a few minutes
[23:03] <caesar_> k
[23:03] <BarkingFish> you realise you guys have been helping me for approaching 4 hours? :o
[23:03] <caesar_> smoking is bad.. i just quite after 15 years
[23:03] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: I've helped people over the course of two weeks before
[23:04] <Daskreech> caesar_: Yay!!
[23:04] <BarkingFish> caesar_: tell me about it; I've had cancer of the throat twice and I'm still smoking.
[23:04]  * Daskreech hugs caesar_
[23:04] <caesar_> ;)
[23:04] <BarkingFish> It'll get me one day
[23:04] <BarkingFish> and the faster, the better.
[23:04] <caesar_> BarkingFish: I used snus to help me get off it
[23:04] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Yeah both my uncles are dying of smoking. One is probably going to suffocate as the cancer cells close down his throat before the end of the year
[23:04] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: he said the same thing as you :)
[23:05] <Daskreech> Missing a tongue now but so it goes
[23:05] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: well smoking killed both my parents, i didn't want to be alive without them, so I figured it'd take me too...
[23:05] <caesar_> you dont have children?
[23:05] <BarkingFish> that was then, I wish I could quit but I've tried so much it's doing my head in.
[23:05] <BarkingFish> caesar_: no
[23:06] <caesar_> BarkingFish: get yourself some snus
[23:06] <BarkingFish> lets take this to the offtopic
[23:06] <caesar_> after you quite for about 2 weeks.. just the smell of a cigg is distgusting
[23:11] <pepe__> hi there ! i'm rediscovering kde with kubuntu (coming from gnome) and i'm very happy. Howerever, i have a small problem, with gnom, i was using Synapse + zeitgeist for searching quickly with 2 or 3 letters the documents for opening it. Do you know how can i do this with kde ? thanks a lot for your attention !
[23:11] <pepe__> (using synapse from ppa and zeitgest without ppa there is nothing for the documents)
[23:11] <pepe__> here a screenshot of synapse (a semantic launcher) http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/synapse
[23:12] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: Houston, we have liftoff.  KDE is up, although I have lots of red crosses all over the place from missing stuff, and not a lot installed :)
[23:12] <BarkingFish> And I want to get as much gnome off my machine as humanly possible, as quickly as possible
[23:13] <BarkingFish> i'm closing on irssi, back in a while from xchat.
[23:13] <BarkingFish> see ya, and thank you Daskreech and genii-around :)
[23:13] <BarkingFish> back in a bit
[23:14] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you install kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:14] <Daskreech> pepe__: Umm Well KDE has zeitgeist but I've never used it :(
[23:14] <Daskreech> You could jsut use synapse until nepomuk search is universal (and reliable)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> not very many KDE applications at all have zeitgeist integration
[23:16] <pepe__> thanks Daskreech, i use it works fine for launching application, but not working for me for searching document
[23:16] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: I know that
[23:17]  * genii-around sips coffee and keeps an eye out for caesar_
[23:17] <Daskreech> pepe__: In theory if you enable nepomuk in krunner (the alt+F2 application) you should get searches for files
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. It's just that saying "KDE has Zeitgeist" would seem to imply some grand-er integration than is currently there
[23:17] <Daskreech> No it's just what I said
[23:17] <Daskreech> KDE has zeitgeist
[23:17] <Daskreech> kinda like KDE has a recipe managment application
[23:18] <Daskreech> doesn't mean it's anything grand. Just that it exists
[23:18] <BarkingFish> yeehah!
[23:18] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: did you install kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:18] <BarkingFish> it's alive, master....
[23:18] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i'm doing that now, another broken dep hidden in the system
[23:18] <pepe__> great Daskreech, it works very nice (alt+F2) this what i was searching
[23:18] <BarkingFish> ksysguardd
[23:18] <Daskreech> pepe__: Hooray :)
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> Well, zeitgeist is something separate from KDE entirely, in which context "having zeitgeist" would mean having integration with the already existing tool
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> as opposed to having a recipe management system, which is a self-contained application
[23:19] <Daskreech> I guess if you come from KDE land :)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> but, no biggie. :)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> just didn't want any misconceptions
[23:19] <Daskreech> fair enough
[23:19] <Daskreech> as long as pepe__ is happy
[23:20] <Daskreech> pepe__: as a side benefit you can use alt+F2 as a calculator
[23:20] <pepe__> yes very happy now
[23:20] <pepe__> ;)
[23:20] <Daskreech> pepe__: try alt+F2 -> 2^4=
[23:21] <Daskreech> Or 45 lb in kg
[23:21] <Daskreech> or 0 C in F
[23:21] <pepe__> great
[23:22] <Daskreech> Yep so far the two things it doesn't do that I would like is weather in <place> and define:word
[23:22] <pepe__> really great
[23:23] <Daskreech> ah you can do spelling though
[23:24] <Daskreech> spell defnie
[23:24] <Daskreech> hmm wonder what it would take to get a definition in there :-/
[23:24] <Daskreech> There is a dictionary application in KDE
[23:25]  * Daskreech prods JontheEchidna. Who's maintainer for the Weather  wallpaper?
[23:26] <pepe__> what is the name of this alt + F2 application ?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: lol, I've not touched that in a while. It's safe to say it's unmaintained
[23:26] <Daskreech> pepe__: krunner
[23:26] <pepe__> ok thks, really great app
[23:27] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: have you looked at the initial blog to see if you hit your objectives? :)
[23:27] <Daskreech> pepe__: Yep it's nice
[23:28] <pepe__> i will add it in the french doc of kubuntu (http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lanceur_de_logiciel )
[23:28] <Daskreech> \o/
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: haha, just looked. Honestly I don't remember at all, lol
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> 3 years... it's been a long time
[23:29] <Daskreech> I know. It's been a good run though.
[23:30] <Daskreech> really glad you tackled it
[23:37] <pepe__> doc updated
[23:38] <Daskreech> Thanks pepe__
[23:43] <BarkingFish> thank heavens for that.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> I'm still an awful lot of stuff missing, but I have about 80% of KDE back, live and I'm now going to de-gnome it. genii-around - could you post that purekde link again please? I lost it when I shut irssi down
[23:45] <genii-around> !purekde
[23:46] <BarkingFish> thanks :)
[23:47] <genii-around> BarkingFish: There is also http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/ which has a bunch of package lists but the last one looks broken
[23:48] <BarkingFish> no problem, I think i can remember what i had, it's just a pain in the cubes having to go get it :)
[23:49] <BarkingFish> oh heck
[23:49] <BarkingFish> taking off the gnome stuff has removed firefox.
[23:49] <BarkingFish> :/
[23:49] <BarkingFish> why must life be so dang complicated?