[09:20] <pob> Hi all, I have a laptop with two HDDs and would like to install Ubuntu on the second HDD and preserve the MBR on the first disk.
[09:20] <pob> I had a bad experience on the past when installing on an external HDD.  Grub installed on the fixed HDD and wrecked my windows boot :(
[09:21] <pob> How can I ensure that I preserve the MBR on the first HDD and install grub on the second.  Then I can use BIOS boot options to choose the HDD to boot?
[09:22] <pob> Short of physically removing one HDD :P
[09:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> pob: You can install GRUB in the first HDD. You can make the grub access the Linux partition in the second hard disk
[09:24] <pob> I do not want anything changed on the first HDD at all.  I want to be able to choose which HDD to boot from the BIOS boot options.
[09:25] <pob> Is this possible?
[09:25] <Snicksie> grub has (as far as i know) an option to choose where to install it ;)
[09:26] <pob> I do not remember being able to choose where GRUB installs itself.
[09:26] <Snicksie> well, i know i did :)
[09:26] <pob> okay is it a command line option or is it available in the gui?
[09:26] <Snicksie> it was available in gui :)
[09:27] <Snicksie> but you'll need to specify the installation place etc by yourself or it will choose the wrong option for you ;)
[09:27] <Snicksie> << gone
[09:28] <pob> Cool, I might give this a crack.   Will the grub install go out of it's way to remove the MBR on the first disk and provide a windows boot option?  This is want I don't want
[09:36] <pob> Anyone else got any advice before I take the plunge?
[09:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think that will work
[09:38] <pob> Cheers
[09:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> grub -install /dev/sda
[09:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> that is what I remember
[09:44] <pob> that's a bit heavy for me,  I was going to install using the Ubuntu install gui
[10:50] <coalwater> is there a mozilla ppa for oneric
[10:50] <coalwater> firefox-stable
[10:55]  * nlsthzn isn't sure... know there was for natty... or was that oneiric... >.<
[10:56] <coalwater> nlsthzn: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[10:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/56#
[10:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> Not sure about its stablility though
[11:00] <nlsthzn> coalwater, cool... that is the one I added on my previous install... however I haven't added it on this install yet... as I am sure I will stay current with the normal repo's ;)
[11:42] <coalwater> nlsthzn: what i meant is if u check u wont find natty nor oneric in that page
[11:42] <nlsthzn> I guess this one serves all?
[11:48] <coalwater> IAmNotThatGuy: i think it was grub-install, idk if grub -install works or not
[11:48]  * IAmNotThatGuy blinks
[11:49] <coalwater> i was scrolling up because the power went out for a bit so i was checking what i missed
[14:28] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:29] <stlsaint> s-fox: o/
[14:29] <s-fox> Hello stlsaint , how are you?
[14:29] <stlsaint> s-fox: great
[14:30] <stlsaint> yourself?
[14:34] <s-fox> I am okay thank you
[15:02] <Sassan_sh> Need help with upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 via CD-ROM
[15:08] <stlsaint> Sassan_sh: did you select the cd-rom as a source for packages?
[15:09]  * nlsthzn knows you can select upgrade when booting from the CD AFAIK
[15:09] <Sassan_sh> how to?
[15:14] <nlsthzn> Sassan_sh, anybody helping you at the moment or you still waiting for assistance?
[15:16] <nlsthzn> Sassan_sh, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1104-natty.html check this out
[15:16] <nlsthzn> it is very easy to upgrade via the CD
[15:25] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: aye, user pm'ed me, problem solved ;)
[15:25] <nlsthzn> stlsaint, oh cool.... been busy chatting via PM with them too :p
[15:27] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: cool, all yours
[15:28] <nlsthzn> nah like you said, all sorted ;)
[15:29] <nlsthzn> stlsaint, just saw your call to arms on the forum... posted there just now :)
[15:31] <hobgoblin> didn't see the enormous spam posted before it though :)
[15:32] <nlsthzn> nope, must have missed that bit
[15:32] <hobgoblin> :p
[15:41] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: you use UCE?
[17:23] <philipballew_>  would it be possible to set up a vpn server remotely?
[17:48] <pleia2> philipballew_: a graphical interface that you vpn in to?
[17:48] <philipballew_> pleia2, no my cli server back home
[17:49] <pleia2> hm, what do you mean by "vpn server" exactly?
[17:50] <philipballew_> haha. sorry, I want so set up a vpn so I can vpn into my server and say use the network there and not have to deal with my schools annoying Internet filters
[17:52] <pleia2> there are a few things you can do, if you just want this for web browsing you can set up a web proxy that you connect your browser at school through (I use tinyproxy)
[17:52] <philipballew_> pleia2, alright I can look into that. seems simple enough
[17:52] <pleia2> yeah it's probably the easiest to configure
[17:53] <philipballew_> . alright. well I gtg. thanks and ill look into that
[17:54] <MrChrisDruif> philipballew; was someone looking for help?
[17:55] <coalwater> ssh with -D would do the job quite nicely, but he poofed, unless the name without the _ could see lol
[17:56] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: he was :)
[17:56] <coalwater> i use that a lot
[17:56] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; philipballew was looking for help?
[17:56] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: yes
[17:57] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[17:57] <coalwater> philipballew: try using ssh user@server -D [port number] then after logging in set up ur browser to use socks5 proxy with ip 127.0.0.1 and port = same port in the ssh connection
[18:01] <coalwater> oh and -D [port] isnt the same as -p [port], -D is a local port
[18:07] <coalwater> philipballew_: still trying that vpn thing? or did u figure it out
[18:08] <philipballew_> coalwater, I was told I could use a proxy.
[18:08] <philipballew_> i knew I could use that
[18:08] <coalwater> are u on ur pc ?
[18:08] <philipballew_> im on my laptop and my server I was gonna set a vpn on is 580 miles away. but i have ssh set up
[18:09] <coalwater> good, u could use that
[18:09] <coalwater> u dont need vpn, i dont even know how to do that, u could use ssh with -D
[18:09] <philipballew_> what does tacking a cap d do coalwater ?
[18:11] <coalwater> set a dynamic port, or w/e its called, any traffic sent to that port is sent to the server to handle it, u then set ur proxy to use a socks proxy with that port, so all ur browser traffic is sent encrypted to the server then the server hanadles it and sends the reply back
[18:12] <coalwater> it can pass any kind of filters, unless the server it self is blocked i guess
[18:12] <philipballew_> well if my school wants to block my home personal server i might need to talk to them
[18:13] <philipballew_> can I do all this remotely?
[18:13] <coalwater> yea
[18:14] <philipballew_> alright. ill do something like this tonight probably
[18:14] <coalwater> just ssh user@server -p whatever -D any port, 8888 for example, then on the browser set it to socks proxy v5 with ip 127.0.0.1 and port 8888 ( or w/e port u pick)
[18:15] <coalwater> u can use some proxy switching add onds to make it easier, if u are going to use it often
[18:15] <philipballew_> coalwater, though can I open a port remotely though?
[18:16] <philipballew_> i will be using it 24/7
[18:16] <coalwater> o ok
[18:16] <coalwater> but u have to keep the ssh session active all the time
[18:16] <coalwater> u can do it on a tty screen i guess
[18:17] <philipballew_> hum. maybe I can set it up with network manager to connect to the proxy everytime I connect
[18:19] <philipballew_> coalwater, It seems doable to set up a proxy fairly easily
[18:19] <coalwater> i dont know, i only discovered it when i was on a vacation to anther country that blocked a whole lot of things lol,
[18:19] <coalwater> for some reason when i used a squid proxy it wasnt working so good, because somehow some sites still were blocked
[18:20] <coalwater> but using this method allows me to watch vids that are allowed to us people only for example
[18:20] <philipballew_> what country do you live in?
[18:20] <coalwater> egypt
[18:21] <philipballew_> what part?
[18:21] <coalwater> idk, cairo lol
[18:21] <coalwater> if u mean what city
[18:22] <philipballew_> yeah. Never been there, Maybe i will need to hit that up one day
[18:26] <philipballew_> anyway coalwater THanl you for the information. its gonna help me
[18:27] <coalwater> np, u can really find a lot talking about it if u search for 'using putty with ssh as proxy ' or something like that, that's how i found it
[18:28] <philipballew_> alright. i have never used putty. I might need to give it a try soon
[18:30] <coalwater> putty is for ssh on windows, u dont need it if u are on linux
[18:31] <philipballew_> for sure. you gotta wonder why windows does not have as good of a cli as linux and unix
[18:32] <coalwater> yea, i really got used to using terminal, on windows u find even basic things not available, i <3 terminal lol
[19:17] <coalwater> when do I need the bind server and when do I not, and is it the same as the 'named' service
[20:47] <steph_> hello all, I have a question about resizing partition on a usb stick that contains an operating system. anyone have experience in this area?
[20:48] <steph_> it is fat32, containing debian live
[21:42] <JackyAlcine> i-b-u-c-l-aaaaaww!
[22:46] <worpole> Hi! having a pretty major problem i was hoping you could help with, i've started experiencing pretty major problems with internet connectivity. I am running the latest ubuntu version "Oneric Occelot"
[22:48] <worpole> My internet connection lately has been VERY VERY slow! Other users in the house are getting speeds of around 5 meg but my laptop running ubuntu acheives around 0.1 meg. I've tried troubleshooting the problem by disabling the wireless connection and using an ethernet connection but the speed is exactly the same (slow!). Any ideas what the problem may be?
[22:49] <worpole> My system is up to date, and im not running any other programs in the background doing downloads constantly (as far as i know!)
[22:49] <bioterror> is it slow to other computers too in the house?
[22:50] <bioterror> or just thru router to wan?
[22:53] <worpole> All the other computers in the house get a decent connection speed
[22:53] <worpole> and there are 3 other computers running
[22:55] <bioterror> yes
[22:55] <bioterror> sure
[22:55] <bioterror> but you didnot answer to my question
[22:55] <bioterror> what if you move data between your computer and one of the 3
[22:56] <bioterror> is it slow too?
[23:00] <worpole> oh, im sorry
[23:00] <worpole> to be honest i havent tried that
[23:00] <worpole> how would i go about it
[23:01] <worpole> ?
[23:03] <bioterror> scp, smb, nfs
[23:03] <bioterror> http
[23:03] <bioterror> ftp
[23:03] <bioterror> pick one
[23:04] <worpole> sorry man, not sure what you mean. can you dumb it down a touch/
[23:04] <bioterror> windows shares, for example
[23:04] <bioterror> ie smb
[23:05] <bioterror> !samba
[23:05] <ubot2> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[23:05] <worpole> ah ok! cheers i'll give that a go and report back later. thanks
[23:05] <bioterror> good
[23:06] <bioterror> I'm off to bed
[23:06] <bioterror> good night ;)