chrisccoulson | gah, i hate powerpc | 00:13 |
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chrisccoulson | please die | 00:13 |
chrisccoulson | please | 00:13 |
TheMuso | chrisccoulson: Since its not a supported arch by Canonical, if it FTBFs just don't worry about it... Unless of course its irritating you to get the FTBFs emails etc. | 00:14 |
chrisccoulson | yeah, it's just a FTBFS | 00:15 |
chrisccoulson | i shall ignore it for now unless someone complains | 00:15 |
TheMuso | I'll bet you won't hear a thing. | 00:15 |
TheMuso | I've worked on powerpc on and off over the last few years, but can't get anybody else from the community to get involved, so I've lost interest. | 00:16 |
TheMuso | At least there is still debian. | 00:16 |
bjsnider | how many people still use ppc hardware? | 00:19 |
TheMuso | The #ubuntu-powerpc channel still sees a few people a week coming in and asking questions. | 00:19 |
TheMuso | And the debian-powerpc list is reasonably active, i.e maybe a few posts a week. | 00:20 |
TheMuso | Most people who I've seen using it are in 2nd-world/non-western Countries. | 00:20 |
TheMuso | Or whereever there is a deacent market for used hardware, whatever the form. | 00:21 |
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TheMuso | Urgh in precise, something is preventing me from using alt key combinations to switch between channels in irssi, and no I don't have more than one tab open in the terminal window where irssi is running. | 02:49 |
RAOF | TheMuso: Is there an EQ overflow in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, perchance? | 02:51 |
* TheMuso looks | 02:51 | |
dobey | TheMuso: well, unity does screw up alt keybindings in gnome-terminal | 02:51 |
TheMuso | RAOF: no | 02:52 |
TheMuso | dobey: Right, but it was working in oneiric. | 02:52 |
dobey | although, numbers should be fine | 02:52 |
RAOF | Ok, not the thing that I've had happen then. | 02:52 |
TheMuso | Numbers are not working either. | 02:52 |
dobey | TheMuso: is your numlock turned off or something? laptop keyboard issue? | 02:52 |
TheMuso | Numlock is off, but it has to be for Orca use. | 02:54 |
TheMuso | Numlck was off in oneiric too and things worked. | 02:54 |
TheMuso | What is interesting is that in another terminal on another workspace, I can switch between tabs with alt + numbers. | 02:54 |
TheMuso | And the irssi I am using is actually sitting on a lucid box, going via ssh + screen. | 02:55 |
dobey | TheMuso: if you're using irssi in screen, you can try opening a new terminal and reconnecting to it there, and seeing if it works again | 02:55 |
TheMuso | dobey: I've already killed gnome-terminal completely and reloaded it. | 02:55 |
dobey | oh, ok; if all else fails, blame compiz? :) | 02:56 |
TheMuso | I'm not blaming anything at this point. I can try logging out/back in I guess. | 02:56 |
dobey | could try unity 2d instead of 3d also | 02:57 |
TheMuso | Theres a thought. | 02:59 |
dobey | i'm pretty much out of ideas beyond that, though :) | 02:59 |
TheMuso | No, not working in unity-2d either. I suspect something to do with gnome-terminal itself. | 03:01 |
TheMuso | Hrm maybe not, doesn't look like the version has changed since oneiric. | 03:01 |
TheMuso | dobey: thanks anyway. | 03:04 |
TheMuso | I did a fresh install but left my home dir intact, so I wonder if something somewhere in my previous config is doing something funky. | 03:04 |
dobey | well it's working ok for me on oneiric in that respect, and my home directory has been here since long enough that i don't remember when it wasn't. but surely since from before i even used ubuntu :) | 03:13 |
TheMuso | Right, it was working in oneiric for me too. No matter, I can work around it for now. | 03:14 |
jbicha | bug 890555 | 03:15 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890555 | 03:15 |
jbicha | TheMuso: are you using byobu? | 03:16 |
TheMuso | jbicha: No I am not. | 03:16 |
TheMuso | Thanks for the bug link. | 03:16 |
jbicha | if you were, the new byobu-tmux (which will soon be default) eats the alt shortcuts by default | 03:17 |
TheMuso | Right. | 03:23 |
TheMuso | Ooh there is a proposed patch in the upstream bug. | 03:23 |
* TheMuso grabs and builds. | 03:23 | |
TheMuso | Ah, the joys of being on the bleeding edge. | 03:25 |
jbicha | gtk 3.2.2 was supposed to be bugfixes, not bleeding edge... :) | 03:27 |
dobey | i have seen upstream "stable" releases of gtk+ break things too many times, to believe that ;) | 03:28 |
TheMuso | dobey: I agree. | 03:30 |
dobey | "oh you were using that public API? sorry, we fixed this bug that now makes that API entirely useless to you. deal." | 03:30 |
dobey | :-/ | 03:30 |
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TheMuso | Ok, I've got my eye on that upstrea bug. If that patch gets put into upstream git, I'll upload a revision of vte to precise. | 03:35 |
dobey | does it fix it for you? | 03:36 |
jbicha | TheMuso: did you see that Debian split vte into vte and vte3 ? | 03:36 |
TheMuso | jbicha: No I didn't. | 03:36 |
TheMuso | dobey: Still building. | 03:36 |
TheMuso | I had to install build deps first. | 03:36 |
dobey | ah ok | 03:36 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Do you mean source packages? | 03:37 |
jbicha | TheMuso: yes | 03:37 |
jbicha | http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vte3.html | 03:37 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Right, I don't keep a great eye on Debian GNOME packaging, but I've touched vte a few times due to my dependance on it. | 03:37 |
TheMuso | Its probably worth us looking into doing the same thing. | 03:38 |
TheMuso | Oh and yay for the perl transition breaking sbuild just when I was going to install it. :) | 03:39 |
dobey | heh | 03:39 |
dobey | it apparently broke the world this morning, *right* as i uploaded a package to precise that needed intltool :) | 03:40 |
TheMuso | Lovely. | 03:40 |
TheMuso | I used the last daily for my install so things were not broken, at least for the install image. | 03:40 |
TheMuso | Ok brb, restarting terminal to see if that patch helps. | 03:41 |
TheMuso | Ah! Yes it works! | 03:41 |
dobey | nice | 03:41 |
TheMuso | I have my traditional workflow back again. :) | 03:41 |
RAOF | robert_ancell: Mind me merging libraw? It's on my color-management-related buglist. | 03:49 |
robert_ancell | RAOF, no complaints from me! | 03:49 |
dobey | ah well, must get some rst | 03:51 |
dobey | rest even | 03:51 |
dobey | later | 03:51 |
jbicha | TheMuso: bummer, I just logged out and back in and now I have the broken Alt problem too! | 04:02 |
TheMuso | jbicha: I have a package built. DO you know if the desktop team has a PPA for GNOME stuff where I could upload it for you? | 04:04 |
jbicha | TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa | 04:05 |
TheMuso | Ok, I'll throw it up there for you if you'd like. Its not versioned for a PPA though, is that a problem? | 04:06 |
* TheMuso never has to use the desktop team PPAs for anything. | 04:06 | |
TheMuso | So is unsure of procedures/policies. | 04:06 |
jbicha | if you could add a ~ppa1 to the version, that would help | 04:07 |
TheMuso | No problem, will do. | 04:07 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Uploaded, should be available as source shortly, so you can pull it down and build it yourself if you are in a hurry. :) | 04:09 |
jbicha | TheMuso: I'll give it a try in the morning, it's getting late here...zzz | 04:16 |
TheMuso | jbicha: np | 04:16 |
RAOF | Yay! Sbuild is installable again! | 04:34 |
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TheMuso | ooo good to hear. | 04:41 |
pitti | Good morning | 05:17 |
pitti | RAOF, TheMuso: if postinsts build AOT code, that will be in the live system as well, unless live-build.sh takes special measures to remove them | 05:20 |
TheMuso | pitti: Yeah I am aware of that, and good morning. | 05:21 |
RAOF | pitti: Good morning. So, we'd need live-build.sh to take special measures to remove them. | 05:21 |
pitti | bryceh, jasoncwarner_: some play in the WIs> yes, of course; not complaining about 24 vs. 26, but I do complain about 5 vs. 26 :) | 05:22 |
pitti | RAOF: of course that might be obsolete when we switch back to TB | 05:23 |
pitti | RB, I mean | 05:23 |
RAOF | Eh, I've been wanting to do the AOT-in-postinst for a while. It's an obvious thing to do. | 05:23 |
RAOF | Also, I'm not entirely clear how to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lcms/+bug/885324 (which is currently showing up as almost all of my work items). I'm happy to do some of those switches, but I don't think the entire transition should be mine :) | 05:24 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress] | 05:24 |
pitti | RAOF: I unassigned the blueprint | 05:25 |
pitti | RAOF: so all the linked tasks are now unowned | 05:26 |
pitti | RAOF: the whiteboard has explicit assignees, so that should be fine | 05:26 |
RAOF | Ok, great. | 05:26 |
pitti | however, the bug still needs some love, at least the packages in main actually need assignees | 05:26 |
pitti | otherwise they'll just hang around in the air with nobody being responsible or having it on the radar | 05:27 |
* pitti assigns them to c-d-t for now | 05:28 | |
RAOF | I'll claim the ones I'm happy to do, I guess. | 05:28 |
pitti | thanks | 05:28 |
micahg | pitti: is it worth setting up a transition in the tracker for liblcms? | 05:29 |
pitti | I don't know -- doesn't bug 885324 suffice for this? | 05:29 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885324 | 05:29 |
micahg | pitti: well, the transition in the tracker tracks stuff that built properly everywhere as well, the bug will only track if someone has done the porting | 05:30 |
pitti | ah, ok; I don't know what it takes to set it up, but it's certainly a large and nontrivial one | 05:31 |
micahg | pitti: in lp:~ubuntu-transition-trackers/+junk/transition-tracker/ there is a folder ubuntu/monitor with .ben files in it, I can set one up next week if no one else does it first | 05:34 |
robert_ancell | RAOF, do you think we should move the items in desktop-q-wayland-tech-preview into desktop-o-xorg-wayland-something-or-other? | 05:37 |
robert_ancell | I've done that, seems simpler... | 05:40 |
RAOF | Ok. | 05:40 |
RAOF | The tech preview blueprint has a more obvious name, but eh! It doesn't make much difference :) | 05:41 |
pitti | Run "gconftool --solve 'tanh 0.1'". It will print 0.549833997, although | 05:52 |
pitti | the actual answer is 0.099667995. | 05:52 |
pitti | wow, that really freaked me out | 05:52 |
pitti | turns out that guy actually meant "gcalctool" :) | 05:52 |
broder | ha! | 05:56 |
RAOF | Bah. Dear vala: why? | 07:07 |
didrocks | good morning | 07:47 |
bryceh | pitti, could you accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-xorg for precise? | 08:12 |
pitti | bryceh: done | 08:12 |
bryceh | ta | 08:12 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, hi, how is the desktop team coming along wrt getting work items listed out? | 08:23 |
pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 08:23 |
pitti | rickspencer3: some 5 specs are still being drafted, and some people have too many WIs; I compiled a TODO list yesterday, and folks are on it | 08:24 |
rickspencer3 | ok | 08:24 |
pitti | rickspencer3: our goal is to get it done by EOW | 08:24 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, I ask because looking here: | 08:24 |
rickspencer3 | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html | 08:24 |
rickspencer3 | it does seem like a lot of work items piling up | 08:24 |
rickspencer3 | though, in fairness, many of them seem to be related to other teams | 08:24 |
pitti | rickspencer3: did you see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoGTYJ3uqCiMdHQzeUI5akNkS1I0ckJGNXpJbnEwLUE#gid=0 ? | 08:25 |
pitti | rickspencer3: that's what I'm using for planning | 08:25 |
pitti | rickspencer3: the numbers are from yesterday afternoon, some cleanup happened since then | 08:25 |
pitti | I'll update it in a bit | 08:25 |
* rickspencer3 looks | 08:25 | |
rickspencer3 | pitti, nice | 08:25 |
pitti | and nobody yell "not a metric"! | 08:26 |
rickspencer3 | so you are shooting for < 196 | 08:26 |
rickspencer3 | ? | 08:26 |
pitti | yes, I consider the "precise WI limit" column a pretty hard limit | 08:27 |
pitti | rickspencer3: but not only the sum, also the number for everyone individually | 08:27 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, right | 08:27 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, I <3 u | 08:27 |
rickspencer3 | :) | 08:27 |
rickspencer3 | this is so awesome | 08:27 |
pitti | RAOF: I just updated your's, but you still have 15 WIs | 08:28 |
rickspencer3 | is this a best practice, or something you do yourself? | 08:28 |
pitti | rickspencer3: The latter for now; it's a trial how well this works | 08:28 |
pitti | I wanted to try something new and more evidence based than the guesswork we did before | 08:28 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, may I write a blog post about it? | 08:28 |
rickspencer3 | well, I know I "may" ... but would you mind if I did ? | 08:29 |
rickspencer3 | ;) | 08:29 |
pitti | rickspencer3: please go ahead; but we should make the document public then, if nobody objects to that | 08:29 |
pitti | it's taking public data sources, and is just number playing, but not sure if anyone in the desktop team considers this "private" | 08:29 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, so long as it doesn't link to any company confidential info, I guess making it public make sense anyway | 08:30 |
pitti | rickspencer3: with the just updated stuff the sum is now actually reasonable | 08:30 |
pitti | but not for individuals | 08:30 |
rickspencer3 | pitti, I know exactly what you mean, I've been in your current situations many times | 08:31 |
rickspencer3 | where you have to make some weird choices | 08:31 |
rickspencer3 | do thing 2 that is less important than thing 1, but only a certain overbook person can do thing 1 | 08:31 |
pitti | rickspencer3: bbl, 1-on-1 with Jason now; incidentally reviewing the spec list and chopping some is on our list today :) | 08:31 |
rickspencer3 | thanks pitti | 08:32 |
rickspencer3 | this is awesome, you made my morning | 08:32 |
pitti | rickspencer3: right; in the past we only half-looked at the sum, and it hasn't worked | 08:32 |
pitti | rickspencer3: so, please feel free to fiddle with the permissions to allow public viewing (but not editing), it's not immediately clear to me how that works | 08:33 |
pitti | a google doc is not ideal for this anyway, it should eventually go into the WI tracker; but for trying the concept it's doing ok | 08:33 |
rodrigo_ | morning | 08:36 |
pitti | jasoncwarner_: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html | 08:44 |
pitti | jasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise?searchtext=desktop-p- | 08:44 |
RAOF | -1 duplicate WI, -1 WI that's got no chance of landing in P. | 08:53 |
RAOF | Now, 13 is still > 5, but that's getting closer :) | 08:54 |
didrocks | RAOF: push harder, it will fit at some point! :) | 09:06 |
RAOF | Well... 1 + 3 < 5! I win! | 09:07 |
didrocks | heh :-) | 09:08 |
seb128 | hey | 09:17 |
desrt | seb128: good morning | 09:17 |
seb128 | hey desrt, how are you? | 09:17 |
didrocks | good morning desrt | 09:18 |
desrt | pretty decent | 09:18 |
desrt | but wanting to go home :p | 09:18 |
seb128 | desrt, stop travelling! ;-) | 09:19 |
desrt | at the end of this week i'll be home for ~2 months | 09:20 |
desrt | 2 glorious months | 09:20 |
rodrigo_ | desrt, where are you? | 09:22 |
rodrigo_ | hey seb128 | 09:22 |
desrt | manchester | 09:22 |
rodrigo_ | ah | 09:22 |
seb128 | desrt, 2 months before a new year of nomade live? ;-) | 09:24 |
seb128 | hey rodrigo_ | 09:24 |
desrt | seb128: platform sprint and a11y hackfest in january. gtk hackfest in february... it begins..... | 09:24 |
seb128 | I can see that coming ;-) | 09:25 |
seb128 | UDS, GUADEC, holidays in Europe | 09:25 |
seb128 | second platform sprint | 09:25 |
desrt | gotta do it before i get all old and cranky | 09:27 |
hrw | hi | 09:38 |
pitti | RAOF: well, 13 is actually not unreasonable | 09:38 |
pitti | RAOF: you just ended up with that low estimate because you just had 6 or so last cycle | 09:38 |
pitti | RAOF: if you are okay with the ones you have right now, and think that they are realistic, I just mark it as "confirmed" in the chart | 09:39 |
pitti | RAOF: I just want to avoid the situation that people collect tons of WIs in many sessions and lose track | 09:39 |
desrt | pitti: you're a true gentleman | 09:46 |
pitti | jasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish | 09:48 |
pitti | hey desrt, how are you? | 09:50 |
pitti | desrt: I lost track, which country are you in right now? | 09:51 |
desrt | england | 09:51 |
* desrt is reasonably good | 09:51 | |
desrt | pitti: feeling good about the cycle after the WI round-up? | 09:51 |
pitti | desrt: I wish we had fewer, but by and large yes | 09:52 |
chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:52 |
desrt | chrisccoulson: hey | 09:53 |
chrisccoulson | hi desrt, how are you? | 09:53 |
desrt | okay | 09:53 |
pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:54 |
chrisccoulson | hi pitti | 09:54 |
pitti | didrocks: you are still using weechat, right? do the alt keys still work for you? they broke for me on Monday or yesterday | 09:57 |
didrocks | pitti: I still have the precise version (I'm picking only some part of precise), and it works, do you want me to try the precise one? | 09:58 |
pitti | didrocks: ah, you mean "oneiric" | 09:58 |
didrocks | oopsss, indeed :) | 09:58 |
pitti | didrocks: I downgraded to 3.5 again and it was still broken, so I suspect it's in a library | 09:58 |
pitti | but it also stopped working in a VT, so I don't think it's gtk or so | 09:58 |
pitti | didrocks: but not urgent, don't break your box because of me :) | 09:59 |
didrocks | pitti: oh weird, still working in oneiric + all -proposed updates | 09:59 |
didrocks | pitti: I plan to fully dist-upgrade next Monday | 09:59 |
pitti | yes, it was working in precise until Monday, too | 09:59 |
didrocks | if alt + a breaks, I will die :) | 09:59 |
pitti | alt + <number> and alt+<p> is highly useful, I'm missing that now | 10:00 |
pitti | I moved alt+a to strg+g | 10:00 |
didrocks | alt + p is only to "clean the screen", isn't it? | 10:00 |
didrocks | I'm not using that one | 10:00 |
pitti | no, "previous ping" | 10:00 |
didrocks | ah :) | 10:01 |
pitti | so, open backscroll in the morning, jump through apt+p | 10:01 |
didrocks | yeah, as I use no more IRC server, the usage is quite limited right now :) | 10:01 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, i really need some better lighting in here | 10:02 |
chrisccoulson | it's really dark this morning | 10:02 |
didrocks | hey chrisccoulson | 10:04 |
chrisccoulson | hi didrocks | 10:04 |
pitti | rodrigo_: hey | 10:07 |
pitti | rodrigo_: I just reviewed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-systemd-packagekit , can you please be a bit more detailled for the required interfaces there? | 10:07 |
pitti | thanks! | 10:07 |
seb128 | hey chrisccoulson pitti | 10:07 |
seb128 | how are you? | 10:08 |
chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 10:08 |
chrisccoulson | i'm good thanks, how are you? | 10:08 |
seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 10:08 |
pitti | bonjour seb128! | 10:09 |
TheMuso | pitti: I encountered the same issue with the alt key in gnome-terminal today after ypgrading to precise. A fix proposed in an upstrea bug for vte is sitting in the GNOME desktop PPA, ppa:gnome-desktop/ppa if you want to test. | 10:11 |
TheMuso | Bug 890555 | 10:11 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890555 | 10:11 |
pitti | TheMuso: oh, thanks | 10:12 |
pitti | TheMuso: it seems to work fine for switching tabs and opening menus, thoug | 10:12 |
TheMuso | pitti: Yes, my experience also. | 10:12 |
pitti | and it stopped working on VTs, too | 10:12 |
TheMuso | pitti: I use alt keys with nymbers and letters to fling myself around my several irssi chat channels. | 10:12 |
pitti | so I didn't suspect gtk etc. | 10:12 |
pitti | anyway, testing | 10:13 |
TheMuso | err, numbers. | 10:13 |
TheMuso | And https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663779 | 10:13 |
ubot2 | Gnome bug 663779 in VteTerminal "Alt/Meta/Mod1 broken again" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:13 |
pitti | ah, not built yet, /me grabs source | 10:14 |
TheMuso | FWIW it works for me here. | 10:15 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, sure | 10:31 |
pitti | TheMuso: that partially helps indeed; some bindings are still broken, but that could be my fault; alt+number works again, thanks! | 10:33 |
TheMuso | pitti: np, I'm subscribed to the upstrea bug, so if upstream gives that patch the stamp of approval, I'm happy to upload it to precise. | 10:33 |
pitti | TheMuso: it's straightforward, so we could even upload it right now | 10:34 |
pitti | it mirrors the change in GTK, after all | 10:34 |
TheMuso | Oh ok, I'll upload right away then. | 10:34 |
pitti | in the sense of "don't break precise for devs" :) | 10:35 |
pitti | TheMuso: thanks! (NB it's in bzr) | 10:35 |
TheMuso | oh ok | 10:35 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, done | 10:39 |
pitti | rodrigo_: oh, changing system locale? I thought we already do that in accountsservice, from language-selector | 10:39 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, no, we don't | 10:39 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, we just store the locale for the user there | 10:39 |
pitti | hm, I wonder what it uses then -- we do have an "apply system wide" option there | 10:39 |
rodrigo_ | it uses systemd's interface | 10:40 |
pitti | rodrigo_: ah, nevermind | 10:40 |
pitti | rodrigo_: language-selector has its own root dbus backend for this | 10:40 |
pitti | so yes, implementing that in u-s-s sounds great | 10:40 |
pitti | rodrigo_: thanks! | 10:40 |
rodrigo_ | yes, my plan is to just make it implement the systemd interface and call the current code | 10:40 |
pitti | rodrigo_: no, language-selector will go away, so it acutally needs to move there | 10:41 |
pitti | and in language-selector we'll call u-s-s instead | 10:42 |
pitti | (in case KDE still wants to keep it) | 10:42 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, sorry, I mean u-s-s, it has a method for setting the system locale, doesn't it? | 10:42 |
pitti | rodrigo_: so far just for setting proxy, keyboard layout, and reboot | 10:43 |
pitti | but setting locale fits in perfectly there | 10:43 |
rodrigo_ | yeah | 10:43 |
rodrigo_ | right, sorry, the sys keyboard layout is part of the system locale changes | 10:44 |
pitti | rodrigo_: anyway, we violently agree :) | 10:44 |
mvo | seb128: good monring! pardon my silly question, but what packages provides the https support for gio/glib? | 10:44 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, :) | 10:44 |
pitti | Sweetshark: hey Bjoern, wie gehts? | 10:45 |
pitti | Sweetshark: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-packaging, or is that ready for approval? | 10:45 |
pitti | Sweetshark: (FWIW, I don't think we should enable the lo-menubar code in precise, not in its current state) | 10:46 |
seb128 | mvo, glib-networking | 10:50 |
seb128 | ? | 10:50 |
mvo | seb128: hm, I get a error here when I try to access https location with that, there seems to be something else going on (I'm debugging a odd s-c exhibit banner failure currently). but maybe I'm missing something else, I try to create a test-case. this is a xubuntu stock install fwiw | 10:55 |
seb128 | mvo, well, define https | 10:56 |
rodrigo_ | brb | 10:56 |
seb128 | mvo, gvfs has a webdav backend if that's webdav | 10:57 |
mvo | seb128: I guess the question is what package I need to make http://paste.ubuntu.com/740079/ work :) I will check webdav now | 10:57 |
seb128 | desrt might know better | 10:58 |
desrt | not likely. | 10:59 |
desrt | oh. | 10:59 |
mvo | ohh, it seems like gvfs-backends is simply missing! | 10:59 |
desrt | it's gvfs | 10:59 |
mvo | so thats it | 10:59 |
desrt | glib-networking is mostly proxies and ssl | 11:00 |
mvo | thanks, found it now, sorry for the noise! | 11:00 |
desrt | if you install glib in not-/usr and don't also install a gvfs in the same place then you'll hit this problem | 11:01 |
desrt | :) | 11:01 |
mvo | heh :) | 11:02 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, my PPA uploads seem to be disappearing in to a black hole | 11:05 |
glatzor_ | morning mvo | 11:06 |
mvo | hey glatzor_, nice to see you | 11:07 |
pitti | hey glatzor_, wie gehts? | 11:07 |
glatzor_ | pitti, thanks fine! yourself? | 11:13 |
pitti | "/window left | 11:13 |
* desrt walks to the left and opens the window for pitti | 11:13 | |
pitti | glatzor_: quite fine, thanks! | 11:14 |
pitti | desrt: thanks; can you fix my key bindings while you are at it? :-) | 11:14 |
* desrt hands pitti a wrench and tells him to figure it out himself | 11:14 | |
pitti | didrocks: ok, with TheMuso's patch all is happy again | 11:16 |
pitti | didrocks: so, safe to upgrade once again :) | 11:16 |
didrocks | pitti: excellent, thanks for the info! :-) | 11:17 |
TheMuso | tttttttttt/c | 11:32 |
TheMuso | whoops | 11:32 |
ricotz | hello everyone | 11:32 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, hi | 11:33 |
chrisccoulson | hi ricotz | 11:33 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, do you know about a regression in thunderbird 8 not showing specific attachments | 11:33 |
chrisccoulson | ricotz, i'm not aware of anything like that | 11:33 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, it is a Mime-Version: 1.0 mail with Content-Type: APPLICATION/PDF, so it only includes a base64 encoded pdf | 11:35 |
ricotz | generated by SAP R/3 | 11:36 |
chrisccoulson | ricotz, any chance you could send me an example? | 11:38 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, hmm, i will try to strip out the private parts | 11:39 |
chrisccoulson | thanks | 11:39 |
ricotz | it works with 7.0.1 though | 11:40 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, i have sent it to you | 11:56 |
chrisccoulson | ricotz, thanks. will take a look in a bit | 12:01 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, hmm, you removed my name from some WIs, I guess they get assigned to the assignee for the BP? | 12:03 |
ricotz | chrisccoulson, thanks | 12:05 |
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pitti | rodrigo_: yes, easier to read | 12:23 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, ok | 12:23 |
pitti | rodrigo_: FYI, you uploaded g-s-d without -v, so if the previous changelog closed any bugs, you have to do that manually | 12:26 |
rodrigo_ | pitti, yes, did it manually | 12:26 |
chrisccoulson | hmmmm, i really should upgrade to precise today | 12:32 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, is it fixed yet? ;-) | 12:48 |
hrw | bug 891116 is irritating - did someone got hit by that? | 12:48 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 891116 in unity "After switching desktops I am unable to enter data from keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891116 | 12:48 |
seb128 | hrw, works fine here (with unity-3d) | 12:49 |
hrw | I just got it twice | 12:52 |
* ogra_ doesnt have that either | 12:53 | |
ogra_ | unity-2d though | 12:53 |
ogra_ | and reliable arm HW indeed :) | 12:53 |
hrw | ogra_: I used unity/2d for 2 days and decided that it is enough. | 12:53 |
hrw | ogra_: 2d has things which 3d lacks and vice versa | 12:54 |
ogra_ | sure | 12:54 |
hrw | nice thing in unity/2d is 'do not use top panel for maximized windows' gconf setting | 12:54 |
ogra_ | i love the top panel integration since i use a 1024x600 screen for working | 12:54 |
hrw | but bug 891077 made me switch to 3d | 12:55 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 891077 in unity-2d "Add vertical/horizontal maximize on RMB/MMB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891077 | 12:55 |
hrw | ogra_: I use fullhd | 12:55 |
ogra_ | even there i like to not waste space for the menu | 12:55 |
hrw | I do not like macos style menu - hard to reach when >1 app on screen | 12:56 |
ogra_ | you can add RMB/MMB support easily to metacity using devilspie | 12:56 |
hrw | as I use 'focus under mouse' activation | 12:56 |
hrw | ogra_: metacity is only one wm which I used during last few years which needs extra care for it | 12:56 |
ogra_ | me too, i got used to move the window to the top if i need the menu | 12:56 |
ogra_ | hrw, not my fault, i only told you how to solve it :P | 12:57 |
ogra_ | all extra functionality you want from metacity can be done via devilspie | 12:57 |
hrw | ogra_: I know ;) | 12:58 |
* rodrigo_ lunch | 12:59 | |
hrw | bug 890283 was also ugly but thats design of unity I think | 13:00 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 890283 in unity-2d "Pass mouse scroll events to systray icons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890283 | 13:00 |
* zyga reports a new unity bug | 13:14 | |
zyga | bug 891128 | 13:17 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 891128 in unity "Firefox download manager title bar is corrupted while download is in progress and unity is asked to show application windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891128 | 13:17 |
seb128 | bah, the etherpad signing stuff is annoying | 13:40 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 15:01 |
pitti | hello tkamppeter | 15:01 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, ping | 15:02 |
cyphermox | pong | 15:02 |
cyphermox | sup? | 15:02 |
seb128 | kenvandine, don't distract cyphermox from the evo updates! ;-) | 15:02 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, hey... i have a weird problem on completely unsupported hardware | 15:02 |
kenvandine | :) | 15:02 |
seb128 | cyphermox, hey, how are you? | 15:02 |
cyphermox | seb128: doing alright | 15:02 |
kenvandine | seb128, :) | 15:02 |
seb128 | cyphermox, thanks for doing the evo updates ;-) | 15:02 |
cyphermox | seb128: practically done with evo... | 15:02 |
seb128 | key kenvandine btw ;-) | 15:02 |
cyphermox | eds is done, evo to be finished with soon | 15:02 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, so running natty it can scan wifi and connect just fine | 15:02 |
kenvandine | NM that is | 15:03 |
cyphermox | (expect that eds and evo will still need to be SRUd) | 15:03 |
kenvandine | however, running oneiric with the same natty kernel it can't scan | 15:03 |
cyphermox | ok | 15:03 |
kenvandine | but if i manually add the access point | 15:03 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: what hardware? | 15:03 |
kenvandine | it suddenly connects and lets you scan | 15:03 |
kenvandine | this is my viewsonic gtablet :) | 15:03 |
kenvandine | so arm | 15:04 |
kenvandine | i am running the linaro builds of ubuntu-desktop | 15:04 |
kenvandine | for the rootfs | 15:04 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: also, I have to ask about indicator-me, why does is show 0.2.90 in the ~desktop branch, but it only appears to be at 0.2.19 in precise (might need updates, as it ftbfs, which is why I'm asking) | 15:04 |
kenvandine | and a kernel someone else built | 15:04 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: could you give me what lspci reports for the wifi chip? | 15:04 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, that should just get dropped, i think | 15:04 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: indicator-me> ok | 15:05 |
cyphermox | afaics, updating it to 0.2.90 would actually fix it, I think | 15:05 |
kenvandine | lspci doesn't work, no pci bus :) | 15:05 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, ok, i'll do that for now | 15:05 |
cyphermox | ah, I mean lsusb maybe? | 15:05 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: actually ,for indicator-me it doesn't really matter, I guess I could ask the ayatana maintainers in debian to update | 15:06 |
kenvandine | lsusb only shows usb hubs | 15:06 |
cyphermox | d'oh | 15:06 |
kenvandine | let me get it from the log | 15:06 |
kenvandine | well that doesn't tell me much :) | 15:07 |
kenvandine | the driver is brcmfmac | 15:07 |
kenvandine | which is the same between natty and oneiric | 15:07 |
kenvandine | same for the firmware | 15:07 |
kenvandine | the only difference is the userspace | 15:08 |
kenvandine | it's mostly weird that it can scan once i configure one manually | 15:08 |
kenvandine | it sees a bunch and i can connect to them fine | 15:08 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, also, iwlist wlan0 scan | 15:09 |
kenvandine | worked fine before configuring it | 15:09 |
kenvandine | just not nm-applet | 15:10 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: so there has to be something special about that driver and reported capabilities or something | 15:10 |
kenvandine | wpa_supplicant maybe? | 15:11 |
cyphermox | kenvandine: could you send me syslog and I'll look at it a little later? | 15:11 |
kenvandine | sure... not important | 15:11 |
kenvandine | just an odd problem :) | 15:11 |
cyphermox | it could be wpa_supplicant, but in the logs you should at least see it try to associate | 15:11 |
kenvandine | there are errors in the logs | 15:11 |
kenvandine | but the same errors are on natty too | 15:11 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, evo updates are more important :) | 15:12 |
cyphermox | if it's wpa_supplicant then it's likely also caused by whatever the driver reports, which will have NM choose between ap_scan=1 or ap_scan=2 or something, that tends to break some devices, iirc | 15:12 |
kenvandine | ogra_, i failed miserably at building my own kernel for this last night... everything i built just refused to boot :) | 15:12 |
ogra_ | kenvandine, well, lets look at it during the sprint :) ... also i think davidm and pgraner have such a device running ubuntu on it | 15:13 |
ogra_ | they might be able to help out with a better kernel | 15:13 |
kenvandine | cyphermox, i did find some people with this problem in some forums | 15:13 |
kenvandine | which suggested | 15:13 |
kenvandine | eapol_version=1 | 15:13 |
kenvandine | ap_scan=2 | 15:13 |
kenvandine | in a conf file and run wpa_supplicant manually | 15:13 |
kenvandine | but i didn't need that, just manually configured in nm-connection-editor and all was good | 15:14 |
kenvandine | ogra_, i am going to buy a faster sdcard asap :) | 15:14 |
ogra_ | kenvandine, oh, and did you say you run linaro builds ? | 15:14 |
ogra_ | they differ from ubuntu | 15:15 |
kenvandine | yes | 15:15 |
kenvandine | well, for the rootfs | 15:15 |
ogra_ | yes | 15:15 |
kenvandine | i grabbed their ubuntu-desktop one | 15:15 |
kenvandine | easy base | 15:15 |
ogra_ | they build it by installing the metapackage during image build instead of the task ... | 15:15 |
kenvandine | ogra_, i am open to suggestions | 15:15 |
ogra_ | that can result in different dependency resolution | 15:15 |
kenvandine | i did have a couple problems... a missing file in the dbus package | 15:15 |
kenvandine | and wrong ownership on /var/lib/lightdm | 15:16 |
ogra_ | right | 15:16 |
kenvandine | but easily fixes | 15:16 |
ogra_ | there might be bits missing to make NM DTRT | 15:16 |
ogra_ | not sure | 15:16 |
kenvandine | good point | 15:16 |
ogra_ | one option for a rootfs would be to use the ubuntu-core tarballs | 15:16 |
ogra_ | or use the ac100 one | 15:16 |
kenvandine | ogra_, where are they? | 15:16 |
ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/for the ac100 one (full desktop unity-2d install) | 15:17 |
kenvandine | cool | 15:18 |
ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/oneiric/release/ ubuntu-core (absolute minimal system to build something on top) | 15:18 |
kenvandine | i didn't realize those were there :) | 15:19 |
ogra_ | well, #ubuntu-arm is next door ;) | 15:19 |
kenvandine | we need kinetic scrolling so bad... :) | 15:20 |
kenvandine | hitting these scrollbars are a pita | 15:20 |
kenvandine | with a laggy system | 15:20 |
kenvandine | not sure it would be better if it was snappy | 15:20 |
ogra_ | you mean overlay scrollbars ? | 15:22 |
ogra_ | well, the do the overlay part just awesome ... just not the scrolling ... but with bad IO i often have one sitting there for a few mins even though i switched the app long ago | 15:23 |
dobey | kenvandine: we need kinect scrolling. | 15:32 |
kenvandine | that too :) | 15:32 |
dobey | and xbox needs to unleash the system update already | 15:32 |
dobey | so i can watch syfy | 15:32 |
kenvandine | ogra_, i just have trouble getting it to raise the thumb at all | 15:32 |
kenvandine | if i manage to, it scrolls fine | 15:32 |
ogra_ | ah | 15:33 |
kenvandine | just when i hit it, it doesn't raise | 15:33 |
kenvandine | so i move away... and 30s later i see it raise and hide :/ | 15:33 |
dobey | and gwibber needs to not do the hide/show logos thing | 15:33 |
kenvandine | so maybe it will be fine when it is faster | 15:33 |
dobey | :) | 15:33 |
kenvandine | dobey, what? | 15:34 |
dobey | i'll file bugs | 15:34 |
dobey | just haven't gotten around to it yet :) | 15:34 |
kenvandine | ok... please do | 15:34 |
kenvandine | no idea what logos you mean :) | 15:34 |
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dobey | kenvandine: the identica/twitter logos when you hover over the messages in the list | 15:37 |
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kenvandine | oh that, yeah... that was a temporary widget | 15:38 |
kenvandine | which njpatel never got around to replacing... so this cycle :) | 15:38 |
dobey | i have plenty of other bugs to file too | 15:39 |
kenvandine | dobey, do it! | 15:40 |
kenvandine | :) | 15:40 |
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seb128 | pitti, do you plan to do the gvfs merge on debian? (just asking, I'm reviewing the precise desktop merges list, well rather the versions yellow list) | 16:03 |
pitti | seb128: I'm happy to do it tomorrow morning | 16:12 |
seb128 | pitti, no hurry, thanks | 16:12 |
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pitti | seb128: yay syncs | 16:18 |
pitti | seb128: so 3.2 is landing in unstable now? | 16:18 |
seb128 | ;-) | 16:18 |
seb128 | pitti, some bits are, but I'm also syncing stuff from experimental | 16:18 |
pitti | seb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable? | 16:21 |
pitti | bigon: ^ | 16:21 |
pitti | I think we can update some packages in Debian then and sync, to bring us closer together again | 16:21 |
seb128 | pitti, I guess so | 16:22 |
* pitti didn't really do package updates this week, sorry | 16:22 | |
seb128 | yeah, me neither, we should get going with merges though, I plan to spend next week on that | 16:23 |
seb128 | (this week is almost over, at least for me, I will take friday off, still quite some holidays days to use) | 16:23 |
seb128 | pitti, btw #debian-gnome is discussing pygobject and if they can move the experimental version to unstable | 16:25 |
seb128 | you might want to join | 16:25 |
pitti | I do | 16:25 |
seb128 | kenvandine, rodrigo_, didrocks: help on GNOME merges would be welcome if you have some time in the next weeks | 16:27 |
didrocks | seb128: I see little hope from my side having time though | 16:28 |
seb128 | mterry: ^ do you plan to do a few (the ones with your name on merges.ubuntu.com at least), or do the stable team exempt you of that as as well? ;-) | 16:28 |
seb128 | didrocks, ok | 16:28 |
kenvandine | seb128, will do | 16:30 |
seb128 | thanks | 16:31 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, which merges? | 16:33 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, from debian you mean? | 16:34 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, yes, https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | 16:34 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, will work on those on idle times | 16:34 |
seb128 | thanks | 16:34 |
seb128 | well basically version should be all green | 16:34 |
seb128 | or at least get no yellow ;-) | 16:34 |
seb128 | now is a good time to review our diff, send patches to upstream and debian, and rebase on debian | 16:35 |
rodrigo_ | ok | 16:35 |
* pitti puts a cherry on top of bug 869970 and waves to seb128 | 16:37 | |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 869970 in apport "it would be nice to update the function name in the title after retracing" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869970 | 16:37 |
seb128 | pitti, \o/ | 16:38 |
pitti | the launchpad backend test suite is working again | 16:38 |
pitti | good night everyone! | 16:55 |
seb128 | 'night pitti | 16:56 |
seb128 | oh btw guys I updated version to point to GNOME 3.2 by default | 16:56 |
seb128 | since that's we default to track for precise | 16:56 |
pitti | ah, thanks | 16:57 |
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bigon | 17:21 < pitti> seb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable? << I guess it's safer to ask to #debian-gnome | 17:37 |
mterry2 | seb128: do they build? :) but seriously, i could grab some merges | 17:40 |
seb128 | oh, a second mterry! | 17:41 |
hallyn | uh, where do i find the option to emulate middle mouse click? | 17:41 |
seb128 | mterry2: if you have feel slots that would be welcome but don't feel like you have to | 17:41 |
mterry2 | seb128: internet's been odd for me today. this is phone-mike, nice to meet you! | 17:42 |
seb128 | mterry2;: nice to meet you ;-) | 17:42 |
didrocks | ok, time to have some rest, see you guys! | 17:49 |
desrt_ | is robert on vacation? | 17:53 |
seb128 | desrt_, robert_ancell? I don't think so | 17:53 |
desrt_ | or is european time even worse for syncing up with australia than american? | 17:53 |
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seb128 | desrt_, european time is worse, he's around from 11pm to 8am usually | 17:53 |
desrt | lol. | 17:54 |
chrisccoulson | hah, all the mozilla homepages have a link to http://www.mozilla.org/sopa now | 17:54 |
chrisccoulson | eh, www.mozilla.org | 17:54 |
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hallyn | all right, we need for 'all settings' in the settings manager to also point to gpointing-device-settings, imo | 17:56 |
seb128 | hallyn, gpointing-device-settings? | 17:57 |
hallyn | seb128: that appeared to be the only way to turn on middle mouse click emulation | 18:03 |
hallyn | the normal mouse settings program was no help | 18:03 |
seb128 | hallyn, is that an utility you installed? | 18:03 |
hallyn | no | 18:03 |
hallyn | uh, myabe | 18:04 |
seb128 | seems so | 18:04 |
hallyn | maybe it got installed in place of gsynaptic | 18:04 |
hallyn | it doesn't seem acceptable to not have 'emulate middle mouse click' in the default 'mouse settings' program, though. | 18:05 |
seb128 | hallyn, why not? | 18:06 |
hallyn | because, when my wife sits down to use xfig and can't terminate a line because there is no middle click, and there's no obvious way to turn it on, that doesn' tlook good | 18:08 |
seb128 | hallyn, is there any reason why that option should not just be on by default? | 18:09 |
hallyn | seb128: no | 18:11 |
hallyn | i would think it should be | 18:11 |
hallyn | where would that be done, though, now that there is no xorg.conf | 18:12 |
seb128 | hallyn, it's funny, I can't find a request about that feature in my bugs box, I guess mouses without a middle button are almost non existant nowadays | 18:13 |
hallyn | seb128: also, 2 out of 3 laptops in front of me (with 2 mouse buttons) have middle click working by default | 18:13 |
hallyn | so i don't know why it wasn't on on the vaio f11 by default. But it wasn't. | 18:13 |
seb128 | well, you have installed non standard stuff it seems | 18:14 |
seb128 | like gsynaptic | 18:14 |
seb128 | so maybe one of those broke it? | 18:14 |
hallyn | no! i jsut now installed that to frantically try to fix it | 18:14 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, what happened to my monospace fonts in precise? :/ | 18:14 |
chrisccoulson | they're ugly again! | 18:14 |
hallyn | it was just a unity-on-oneiric laptop | 18:14 |
seb128 | hallyn, ok, dunno then, apparently it's supposed to be working out of the box | 18:15 |
hallyn | oh well, now that i know where to find it (for now), if noone else cares, then i guess that's fine | 18:15 |
hallyn | thx | 18:16 |
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cyphermox | oh boy, stupid duplicate bug tags :/ | 19:34 |
cyphermox | evolution upload, but something went wrong with my script to match bugs fixed upstream | 19:35 |
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worpole | Hi! I was wondering if you could perhaps help with a problem I am having. I recently upgraded to the latest version "Oneric Ocelot" and after a few weeks I am having internet connectivity problems. My connection speed is now VERY VERY slow! I have tried troubleshooting the problem by disabling the WIFI connection and using an ethernet connection instead but speed is no better. Other computers in the house are acheive spee | 22:40 |
worpole | ds of around 5 meg but my laptop with ubuntu is getting around 0.1. And this speed is the same regardless of whether I use an wireless connection or an ethernet cable. Any ideas what the problem might be? | 22:40 |
worpole | oops the first bit was supposed to read "i recently upgraded to the latest version, Oneric Occleot" | 22:41 |
TheMuso | worpole: Please go to #ubuntu for support, this is a development channel. | 22:42 |
RAOF | Better to ask in #ubuntu; this isn't a support channel. Also, no idea. | 22:42 |
worpole | ok cool, what would be a good support channel to try? | 22:42 |
TheMuso | worpole: As above, the #ubuntu channel is your best bet. | 22:44 |
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