/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/16/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

chrisccoulsongah, i hate powerpc00:13
chrisccoulsonplease die00:13
chrisccoulsonplease00:13
TheMusochrisccoulson: Since its not a supported arch by Canonical, if it FTBFs just don't worry about it... Unless of course its irritating you to get the FTBFs emails etc.00:14
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's just a FTBFS00:15
chrisccoulsoni shall ignore it for now unless someone complains00:15
TheMusoI'll bet you won't hear a thing.00:15
TheMusoI've worked on powerpc on and off over the last few years, but can't get anybody else from the community to get involved, so I've lost interest.00:16
TheMusoAt least there is still debian.00:16
bjsniderhow many people still use ppc hardware?00:19
TheMusoThe #ubuntu-powerpc channel still sees a few people a week coming in and asking questions.00:19
TheMusoAnd the debian-powerpc list is reasonably active, i.e maybe a few posts a week.00:20
TheMusoMost people who I've seen using it are in 2nd-world/non-western Countries.00:20
TheMusoOr whereever there is a deacent market for used hardware, whatever the form.00:21
=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk
TheMusoUrgh in precise, something is preventing me from using alt key combinations to switch between channels in irssi, and no I don't have more than one tab open in the terminal window where irssi is running.02:49
RAOFTheMuso: Is there an EQ overflow in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, perchance?02:51
* TheMuso looks02:51
dobeyTheMuso: well, unity does screw up alt keybindings in gnome-terminal02:51
TheMusoRAOF: no02:52
TheMusodobey: Right, but it was working in oneiric.02:52
dobeyalthough, numbers should be fine02:52
RAOFOk, not the thing that I've had happen then.02:52
TheMusoNumbers are not working either.02:52
dobeyTheMuso: is your numlock turned off or something? laptop keyboard issue?02:52
TheMusoNumlock is off, but it has to be for Orca use.02:54
TheMusoNumlck was off in oneiric too and things worked.02:54
TheMusoWhat is interesting is that in another terminal on another workspace, I can switch between tabs with alt + numbers.02:54
TheMusoAnd the irssi I am using is actually sitting on a lucid box, going via ssh + screen.02:55
dobeyTheMuso: if you're using irssi in screen, you can try opening a new terminal and reconnecting to it there, and seeing if it works again02:55
TheMusodobey: I've already killed gnome-terminal completely and reloaded it.02:55
dobeyoh, ok; if all else fails, blame compiz? :)02:56
TheMusoI'm not blaming anything at this point. I can try logging out/back in I guess.02:56
dobeycould try unity 2d instead of 3d also02:57
TheMusoTheres a thought.02:59
dobeyi'm pretty much out of ideas beyond that, though :)02:59
TheMusoNo, not working in unity-2d either. I suspect something to do with gnome-terminal itself.03:01
TheMusoHrm maybe not, doesn't look like the version has changed since oneiric.03:01
TheMusodobey: thanks anyway.03:04
TheMusoI did a fresh install but left my home dir intact, so I wonder if something somewhere in my previous config is doing something funky.03:04
dobeywell it's working ok for me on oneiric in that respect, and my home directory has been here since long enough that i don't remember when it wasn't. but surely since from before i even used ubuntu :)03:13
TheMusoRight, it was working in oneiric for me too. No matter, I can work around it for now.03:14
jbichabug 89055503:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89055503:15
jbichaTheMuso: are you using byobu?03:16
TheMusojbicha: No I am not.03:16
TheMusoThanks for the bug link.03:16
jbichaif you were, the new byobu-tmux (which will soon be default) eats the alt shortcuts by default03:17
TheMusoRight.03:23
TheMusoOoh there is a proposed patch in the upstream bug.03:23
* TheMuso grabs and builds.03:23
TheMusoAh, the joys of being on the bleeding edge.03:25
jbichagtk 3.2.2 was supposed to be bugfixes, not bleeding edge... :)03:27
dobeyi have seen upstream "stable" releases of gtk+ break things too many times, to believe that ;)03:28
TheMusodobey: I agree.03:30
dobey"oh you were using that public API? sorry, we fixed this bug that now makes that API entirely useless to you. deal."03:30
dobey:-/03:30
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TheMusoOk, I've got my eye on that upstrea bug. If that patch gets put into upstream git, I'll upload a revision of vte to precise.03:35
dobeydoes it fix it for you?03:36
jbichaTheMuso: did you see that Debian split vte into vte and vte3 ?03:36
TheMusojbicha: No I didn't.03:36
TheMusodobey: Still building.03:36
TheMusoI had to install build deps first.03:36
dobeyah ok03:36
TheMusojbicha: Do you mean source packages?03:37
jbichaTheMuso: yes03:37
jbichahttp://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vte3.html03:37
TheMusojbicha: Right, I don't keep a great eye on Debian GNOME packaging, but I've touched vte a few times due to my dependance on it.03:37
TheMusoIts probably worth us looking into doing the same thing.03:38
TheMusoOh and yay for the perl transition breaking sbuild just when I was going to install it. :)03:39
dobeyheh03:39
dobeyit apparently broke the world this morning, *right* as i uploaded a package to precise that needed intltool :)03:40
TheMusoLovely.03:40
TheMusoI used the last daily for my install so things were not broken, at least for the install image.03:40
TheMusoOk brb, restarting terminal to see if that patch helps.03:41
TheMusoAh! Yes it works!03:41
dobeynice03:41
TheMusoI have my traditional workflow back again. :)03:41
RAOFrobert_ancell: Mind me merging libraw?  It's on my color-management-related buglist.03:49
robert_ancellRAOF, no complaints from me!03:49
dobeyah well, must get some rst03:51
dobeyrest even03:51
dobeylater03:51
jbichaTheMuso: bummer, I just logged out and back in and now I have the broken Alt problem too!04:02
TheMusojbicha: I have a package built. DO you know if the desktop team has a PPA for GNOME stuff where I could upload it for you?04:04
jbichaTheMuso: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa04:05
TheMusoOk, I'll throw it up there for you if you'd like. Its not versioned for a PPA though, is that a problem?04:06
* TheMuso never has to use the desktop team PPAs for anything.04:06
TheMusoSo is unsure of procedures/policies.04:06
jbichaif you could add a ~ppa1 to the version, that would help04:07
TheMusoNo problem, will do.04:07
TheMusojbicha: Uploaded, should be available as source shortly, so you can pull it down and build it yourself if you are in a hurry. :)04:09
jbichaTheMuso: I'll give it a try in the morning, it's getting late here...zzz04:16
TheMusojbicha: np04:16
RAOFYay!  Sbuild is installable again!04:34
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TheMusoooo good to hear.04:41
pittiGood morning05:17
pittiRAOF, TheMuso: if postinsts build AOT code, that will be in the live system as well, unless live-build.sh takes special measures to remove them05:20
TheMusopitti: Yeah I am aware of that, and good morning.05:21
RAOFpitti: Good morning.  So, we'd need live-build.sh to take special measures to remove them.05:21
pittibryceh, jasoncwarner_: some play in the WIs> yes, of course; not complaining about 24 vs. 26, but I do complain about 5 vs. 26 :)05:22
pittiRAOF: of course that might be obsolete when we switch back to TB05:23
pittiRB, I mean05:23
RAOFEh, I've been wanting to do the AOT-in-postinst for a while.  It's an obvious thing to do.05:23
RAOFAlso, I'm not entirely clear how to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lcms/+bug/885324 (which is currently showing up as almost all of my work items).  I'm happy to do some of those switches, but I don't think the entire transition should be mine :)05:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress]05:24
pittiRAOF: I unassigned the blueprint05:25
pittiRAOF: so all the linked tasks are now unowned05:26
pittiRAOF: the whiteboard has explicit assignees, so that should be fine05:26
RAOFOk, great.05:26
pittihowever, the bug still needs some love, at  least the packages in main actually need assignees05:26
pittiotherwise they'll just hang around in the air with nobody being responsible or having it on the radar05:27
* pitti assigns them to c-d-t for now05:28
RAOFI'll claim the ones I'm happy to do, I guess.05:28
pittithanks05:28
micahgpitti: is it worth setting up a transition in the tracker for liblcms?05:29
pittiI don't know -- doesn't bug 885324 suffice for this?05:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88532405:29
micahgpitti: well, the transition in the tracker tracks stuff that built properly everywhere as well, the bug will only track if someone has done the porting05:30
pittiah, ok; I don't know what it takes to set it up, but it's certainly a large and nontrivial one05:31
micahgpitti: in lp:~ubuntu-transition-trackers/+junk/transition-tracker/ there is a folder ubuntu/monitor with .ben files in it, I can set one up next week if no one else does it first05:34
robert_ancellRAOF, do you think we should move the items in desktop-q-wayland-tech-preview into desktop-o-xorg-wayland-something-or-other?05:37
robert_ancellI've done that, seems simpler...05:40
RAOFOk.05:40
RAOFThe tech preview blueprint has a more obvious name, but eh!  It doesn't make much difference :)05:41
pittiRun "gconftool --solve 'tanh 0.1'".  It will print 0.549833997, although05:52
pittithe actual answer is 0.099667995.05:52
pittiwow, that really freaked me out05:52
pittiturns out that guy actually meant "gcalctool" :)05:52
broderha!05:56
RAOFBah.  Dear vala: why?07:07
didrocksgood morning07:47
brycehpitti, could you accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-xorg for precise?08:12
pittibryceh: done08:12
brycehta08:12
rickspencer3pitti, hi, how is the desktop team coming along wrt getting work items listed out?08:23
pittihey rickspencer308:23
pittirickspencer3: some 5 specs are still being drafted, and some people have too many WIs; I compiled a TODO list yesterday, and folks are on it08:24
rickspencer3ok08:24
pittirickspencer3: our goal is to get it done by EOW08:24
rickspencer3pitti, I ask because looking here:08:24
rickspencer3http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html08:24
rickspencer3it does seem like a lot of work items piling up08:24
rickspencer3though, in fairness, many of them seem to be related to other teams08:24
pittirickspencer3: did you see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoGTYJ3uqCiMdHQzeUI5akNkS1I0ckJGNXpJbnEwLUE#gid=0 ?08:25
pittirickspencer3: that's what I'm using for planning08:25
pittirickspencer3: the numbers are from yesterday afternoon, some cleanup happened since then08:25
pittiI'll update it in a bit08:25
* rickspencer3 looks08:25
rickspencer3pitti, nice08:25
pittiand nobody yell "not a metric"!08:26
rickspencer3so you are shooting for < 19608:26
rickspencer3?08:26
pittiyes, I consider the "precise WI limit" column a pretty hard limit08:27
pittirickspencer3: but not only the sum, also the number for everyone individually08:27
rickspencer3pitti, right08:27
rickspencer3pitti, I <3 u08:27
rickspencer3:)08:27
rickspencer3this is so awesome08:27
pittiRAOF: I just updated your's, but you still have 15 WIs08:28
rickspencer3is this a best practice, or something you do yourself?08:28
pittirickspencer3: The latter for now; it's a trial how well this works08:28
pittiI wanted to try something new and more evidence based than the guesswork we did before08:28
rickspencer3pitti, may I write a blog post about it?08:28
rickspencer3well, I know I "may" ... but would you mind if I did ?08:29
rickspencer3;)08:29
pittirickspencer3: please go ahead; but we should make the document public then, if nobody objects to that08:29
pittiit's taking public data sources, and is just number playing, but not sure if anyone in the desktop team considers this "private"08:29
rickspencer3pitti, so long as it doesn't link to any company confidential info, I guess making it public make sense anyway08:30
pittirickspencer3: with the just updated stuff the sum is now actually reasonable08:30
pittibut not for individuals08:30
rickspencer3pitti, I know exactly what you mean, I've been in your current situations many times08:31
rickspencer3where you have to make some weird choices08:31
rickspencer3do thing 2 that is less important than thing 1, but only a certain overbook person can do thing 108:31
pittirickspencer3: bbl, 1-on-1 with Jason now; incidentally reviewing the spec list and chopping some is on our list today :)08:31
rickspencer3thanks pitti08:32
rickspencer3this is awesome, you made my morning08:32
pittirickspencer3: right; in the past we only half-looked at the sum, and it hasn't worked08:32
pittirickspencer3: so, please feel free to fiddle with the permissions to allow public viewing (but not editing), it's not immediately clear to me how that works08:33
pittia google doc is not ideal for this anyway, it should eventually go into the WI tracker; but for trying the concept it's doing ok08:33
rodrigo_morning08:36
pittijasoncwarner_: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html08:44
pittijasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise?searchtext=desktop-p-08:44
RAOF-1 duplicate WI, -1 WI that's got no chance of landing in P.08:53
RAOFNow, 13 is still > 5, but that's getting closer :)08:54
didrocksRAOF: push harder, it will fit at some point! :)09:06
RAOFWell... 1 + 3 < 5!  I win!09:07
didrocksheh :-)09:08
seb128hey09:17
desrtseb128: good morning09:17
seb128hey desrt, how are you?09:17
didrocksgood morning desrt09:18
desrtpretty decent09:18
desrtbut wanting to go home :p09:18
seb128desrt, stop travelling! ;-)09:19
desrtat the end of this week i'll be home for ~2 months09:20
desrt2 glorious months09:20
rodrigo_desrt, where are you?09:22
rodrigo_hey seb12809:22
desrtmanchester09:22
rodrigo_ah09:22
seb128desrt, 2 months before a new year of nomade live? ;-)09:24
seb128hey rodrigo_09:24
desrtseb128: platform sprint and a11y hackfest in january.  gtk hackfest in february... it begins.....09:24
seb128I can see that coming ;-)09:25
seb128UDS, GUADEC, holidays in Europe09:25
seb128second platform sprint09:25
desrtgotta do it before i get all old and cranky09:27
hrwhi09:38
pittiRAOF: well, 13 is actually not unreasonable09:38
pittiRAOF: you just ended up with that low estimate because you just had 6 or so last cycle09:38
pittiRAOF: if you are okay with the ones you have right now, and think that they are realistic, I just mark it as "confirmed" in the chart09:39
pittiRAOF: I just want to avoid the situation that people collect tons of WIs in many sessions and lose track09:39
desrtpitti: you're a true gentleman09:46
pittijasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish09:48
pittihey desrt, how are you?09:50
pittidesrt: I lost track, which country are you in right now?09:51
desrtengland09:51
* desrt is reasonably good09:51
desrtpitti: feeling good about the cycle after the WI round-up?09:51
pittidesrt: I wish we had fewer, but by and large yes09:52
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:52
desrtchrisccoulson: hey09:53
chrisccoulsonhi desrt, how are you?09:53
desrtokay09:53
pittihey chrisccoulson09:54
chrisccoulsonhi pitti09:54
pittididrocks: you are still using weechat, right? do the alt keys still work for you? they broke for me on Monday or yesterday09:57
didrockspitti: I still have the precise version (I'm picking only some part of precise), and it works, do you want me to try the precise one?09:58
pittididrocks: ah, you mean "oneiric"09:58
didrocksoopsss, indeed :)09:58
pittididrocks: I downgraded to 3.5 again and it was still broken, so I suspect it's in a library09:58
pittibut it also stopped working in a VT, so I don't think it's gtk or so09:58
pittididrocks: but not urgent, don't break your box because of me :)09:59
didrockspitti: oh weird, still working in oneiric + all -proposed updates09:59
didrockspitti: I plan to fully dist-upgrade next Monday09:59
pittiyes, it was working in precise until Monday, too09:59
didrocksif alt + a breaks, I will die :)09:59
pittialt + <number> and alt+<p> is highly useful, I'm missing that now10:00
pittiI moved alt+a to strg+g10:00
didrocksalt + p is only to "clean the screen", isn't it?10:00
didrocksI'm not using that one10:00
pittino, "previous ping"10:00
didrocksah :)10:01
pittiso, open backscroll in the morning, jump through apt+p10:01
didrocksyeah, as I use no more IRC server, the usage is quite limited right now :)10:01
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i really need some better lighting in here10:02
chrisccoulsonit's really dark this morning10:02
didrockshey chrisccoulson10:04
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks10:04
pittirodrigo_: hey10:07
pittirodrigo_: I just reviewed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-systemd-packagekit , can you please be a bit more detailled for the required interfaces there?10:07
pittithanks!10:07
seb128hey chrisccoulson pitti10:07
seb128how are you?10:08
chrisccoulsonhey seb12810:08
chrisccoulsoni'm good thanks, how are you?10:08
seb128I'm fine thanks10:08
pittibonjour seb128!10:09
TheMusopitti: I encountered the same issue with the alt key in gnome-terminal today after ypgrading to precise. A fix proposed in an upstrea bug for vte is sitting in the GNOME desktop PPA, ppa:gnome-desktop/ppa if you want to test.10:11
TheMusoBug 89055510:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89055510:11
pittiTheMuso: oh, thanks10:12
pittiTheMuso: it seems to work fine for switching tabs and opening menus, thoug10:12
TheMusopitti: Yes, my experience also.10:12
pittiand it stopped working on VTs, too10:12
TheMusopitti: I use alt keys with nymbers and letters to fling myself around my several irssi chat channels.10:12
pittiso I didn't suspect gtk etc.10:12
pittianyway, testing10:13
TheMusoerr, numbers.10:13
TheMusoAnd https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66377910:13
ubot2Gnome bug 663779 in VteTerminal "Alt/Meta/Mod1 broken again" [Normal,Unconfirmed]10:13
pittiah, not built yet, /me grabs source10:14
TheMusoFWIW it works for me here.10:15
rodrigo_pitti, yes, sure10:31
pittiTheMuso: that partially helps indeed; some bindings are still broken, but that could be my fault; alt+number works again, thanks!10:33
TheMusopitti: np, I'm subscribed to the upstrea bug, so if upstream gives that patch the stamp of approval, I'm happy to upload it to precise.10:33
pittiTheMuso: it's straightforward, so we could even upload it right now10:34
pittiit mirrors the change in GTK, after all10:34
TheMusoOh ok, I'll upload right away then.10:34
pittiin the sense of "don't break precise for devs" :)10:35
pittiTheMuso: thanks! (NB it's in bzr)10:35
TheMusooh ok10:35
rodrigo_pitti, done10:39
pittirodrigo_: oh, changing system locale? I thought we already do that in accountsservice, from language-selector10:39
rodrigo_pitti, no, we don't10:39
rodrigo_pitti, we just store the locale for the user there10:39
pittihm, I wonder what it uses then -- we do have an "apply system wide" option there10:39
rodrigo_it uses systemd's interface10:40
pittirodrigo_: ah, nevermind10:40
pittirodrigo_: language-selector has its own root dbus backend for this10:40
pittiso yes, implementing that in u-s-s sounds great10:40
pittirodrigo_: thanks!10:40
rodrigo_yes, my plan is to just make it implement the systemd interface and call the current code10:40
pittirodrigo_: no, language-selector will go away, so it acutally needs to move there10:41
pittiand in language-selector we'll call u-s-s instead10:42
pitti(in case KDE still wants to keep it)10:42
rodrigo_pitti, sorry, I mean u-s-s, it has a method for setting the system locale, doesn't it?10:42
pittirodrigo_: so far just for setting proxy, keyboard layout, and reboot10:43
pittibut setting locale fits in perfectly there10:43
rodrigo_yeah10:43
rodrigo_right, sorry, the sys keyboard layout is part of the system locale changes10:44
pittirodrigo_: anyway, we violently agree :)10:44
mvoseb128: good monring! pardon my silly question, but what packages provides the https support for gio/glib?10:44
rodrigo_pitti, :)10:44
pittiSweetshark: hey Bjoern, wie gehts?10:45
pittiSweetshark: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-packaging, or is that ready for approval?10:45
pittiSweetshark: (FWIW, I don't think we should enable the lo-menubar code in precise, not in its current state)10:46
seb128mvo, glib-networking10:50
seb128?10:50
mvoseb128: hm, I get a error here when I try to access https location with that, there seems to be something else going on (I'm debugging a odd s-c exhibit banner failure currently). but maybe I'm missing something else, I try to create a test-case. this is a xubuntu stock install fwiw10:55
seb128mvo, well, define https10:56
rodrigo_brb10:56
seb128mvo, gvfs has a webdav backend if that's webdav10:57
mvoseb128: I guess the question is what package I need to make http://paste.ubuntu.com/740079/ work :) I will check webdav now10:57
seb128desrt might know better10:58
desrtnot likely.10:59
desrtoh.10:59
mvoohh, it seems like gvfs-backends is simply missing!10:59
desrtit's gvfs10:59
mvoso thats it10:59
desrtglib-networking is mostly proxies and ssl11:00
mvothanks, found it now, sorry for the noise!11:00
desrtif you install glib in not-/usr and don't also install a gvfs in the same place then you'll hit this problem11:01
desrt:)11:01
mvoheh :)11:02
chrisccoulsonhmmm, my PPA uploads seem to be disappearing in to a black hole11:05
glatzor_morning mvo11:06
mvohey glatzor_, nice to see you11:07
pittihey glatzor_, wie gehts?11:07
glatzor_pitti, thanks fine! yourself?11:13
pitti"/window left11:13
* desrt walks to the left and opens the window for pitti11:13
pittiglatzor_: quite fine, thanks!11:14
pittidesrt: thanks; can you fix my key bindings while you are at it? :-)11:14
* desrt hands pitti a wrench and tells him to figure it out himself11:14
pittididrocks: ok, with TheMuso's patch all is happy again11:16
pittididrocks: so, safe to upgrade once again :)11:16
didrockspitti: excellent, thanks for the info! :-)11:17
TheMusotttttttttt/c11:32
TheMusowhoops11:32
ricotzhello everyone11:32
ricotzchrisccoulson, hi11:33
chrisccoulsonhi ricotz11:33
ricotzchrisccoulson, do you know about a regression in thunderbird 8 not showing specific attachments11:33
chrisccoulsonricotz, i'm not aware of anything like that11:33
ricotzchrisccoulson, it is a Mime-Version: 1.0 mail with Content-Type: APPLICATION/PDF, so it only includes a base64 encoded pdf11:35
ricotzgenerated by SAP R/311:36
chrisccoulsonricotz, any chance you could send me an example?11:38
ricotzchrisccoulson, hmm, i will try to strip out the private parts11:39
chrisccoulsonthanks11:39
ricotzit works with 7.0.1 though11:40
ricotzchrisccoulson, i have sent it to you11:56
chrisccoulsonricotz, thanks. will take a look in a bit12:01
rodrigo_pitti, hmm, you removed my name from some WIs, I guess they get assigned to the assignee for the BP?12:03
ricotzchrisccoulson, thanks12:05
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pittirodrigo_: yes, easier to read12:23
rodrigo_pitti, ok12:23
pittirodrigo_: FYI, you uploaded g-s-d without -v, so if the previous changelog closed any bugs, you have to do that manually12:26
rodrigo_pitti, yes, did it manually12:26
chrisccoulsonhmmmm, i really should upgrade to precise today12:32
seb128chrisccoulson, is it fixed yet? ;-)12:48
hrwbug 891116 is irritating - did someone got hit by that?12:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 891116 in unity "After switching desktops I am unable to enter data from keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89111612:48
seb128hrw, works fine here (with unity-3d)12:49
hrwI just got it twice12:52
* ogra_ doesnt have that either12:53
ogra_unity-2d though12:53
ogra_and reliable arm HW indeed :)12:53
hrwogra_: I used unity/2d for 2 days and decided that it is enough.12:53
hrwogra_: 2d has things which 3d lacks and vice versa12:54
ogra_sure12:54
hrwnice thing in unity/2d is 'do not use top panel for maximized windows' gconf setting12:54
ogra_i love the top panel integration since i use a 1024x600 screen for working12:54
hrwbut bug 891077 made me switch to 3d12:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 891077 in unity-2d "Add vertical/horizontal maximize on RMB/MMB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89107712:55
hrwogra_: I use fullhd12:55
ogra_even there i like to not waste space for the menu12:55
hrwI do not like macos style menu - hard to reach when >1 app on screen12:56
ogra_you can add RMB/MMB support easily to metacity using devilspie12:56
hrwas I use 'focus under mouse' activation12:56
hrwogra_: metacity is only one wm which I used during last few years which needs extra care for it12:56
ogra_me too, i got used to move the window to the top if i need the menu12:56
ogra_hrw, not my fault, i only told you how to solve it :P12:57
ogra_all extra functionality you want from metacity can be done via devilspie12:57
hrwogra_: I know ;)12:58
* rodrigo_ lunch12:59
hrwbug 890283 was also ugly but thats design of unity I think13:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 890283 in unity-2d "Pass mouse scroll events to systray icons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89028313:00
* zyga reports a new unity bug13:14
zygabug 89112813:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 891128 in unity "Firefox download manager title bar is corrupted while download is in progress and unity is asked to show application windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89112813:17
seb128bah, the etherpad signing stuff is annoying13:40
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tkamppeterpitti, hi15:01
pittihello tkamppeter15:01
kenvandinecyphermox, ping15:02
cyphermoxpong15:02
cyphermoxsup?15:02
seb128kenvandine, don't distract cyphermox from the evo updates! ;-)15:02
kenvandinecyphermox, hey... i have a weird problem on completely unsupported hardware15:02
kenvandine:)15:02
seb128cyphermox, hey, how are you?15:02
cyphermoxseb128: doing alright15:02
kenvandineseb128, :)15:02
seb128cyphermox, thanks for doing the evo updates ;-)15:02
cyphermoxseb128: practically done with evo...15:02
seb128key kenvandine btw ;-)15:02
cyphermoxeds is done, evo to be finished with soon15:02
kenvandinecyphermox, so running natty it can scan wifi and connect just fine15:02
kenvandineNM that is15:03
cyphermox(expect that eds and evo will still need to be SRUd)15:03
kenvandinehowever, running oneiric with the same natty kernel it can't scan15:03
cyphermoxok15:03
kenvandinebut if i manually add the access point15:03
cyphermoxkenvandine: what hardware?15:03
kenvandineit suddenly connects and lets you scan15:03
kenvandinethis is my viewsonic gtablet :)15:03
kenvandineso arm15:04
kenvandinei am running the linaro builds of ubuntu-desktop15:04
kenvandinefor the rootfs15:04
cyphermoxkenvandine: also, I have to ask about indicator-me, why does is show 0.2.90 in the ~desktop branch, but it only appears to be at 0.2.19 in precise (might need updates, as it ftbfs, which is why I'm asking)15:04
kenvandineand a kernel someone else built15:04
cyphermoxkenvandine: could you give me what lspci reports for the wifi chip?15:04
kenvandinecyphermox, that should just get dropped, i think15:04
cyphermoxkenvandine: indicator-me> ok15:05
cyphermoxafaics, updating it to 0.2.90 would actually fix it, I think15:05
kenvandinelspci doesn't work, no pci bus :)15:05
kenvandinecyphermox, ok, i'll do that for now15:05
cyphermoxah, I mean lsusb maybe?15:05
cyphermoxkenvandine: actually ,for indicator-me it doesn't really matter, I guess I could ask the ayatana maintainers in debian to update15:06
kenvandinelsusb only shows usb hubs15:06
cyphermoxd'oh15:06
kenvandinelet me get it from the log15:06
kenvandinewell that doesn't tell me much :)15:07
kenvandinethe driver is brcmfmac15:07
kenvandinewhich is the same between natty and oneiric15:07
kenvandinesame for the firmware15:07
kenvandinethe only difference is the userspace15:08
kenvandineit's mostly weird that it can scan once i configure one manually15:08
kenvandineit sees a bunch and i can connect to them fine15:08
kenvandinecyphermox, also, iwlist wlan0 scan15:09
kenvandineworked fine before configuring it15:09
kenvandinejust not nm-applet15:10
cyphermoxkenvandine: so there has to be something special about that driver and reported capabilities or something15:10
kenvandinewpa_supplicant maybe?15:11
cyphermoxkenvandine: could you send me syslog and I'll look at it a little later?15:11
kenvandinesure... not important15:11
kenvandinejust an odd problem :)15:11
cyphermoxit could be wpa_supplicant, but in the logs you should at least see it try to associate15:11
kenvandinethere are errors in the logs15:11
kenvandinebut the same errors are on natty too15:11
kenvandinecyphermox, evo updates are more important :)15:12
cyphermoxif it's wpa_supplicant then it's likely also caused by whatever the driver reports, which will have NM choose between ap_scan=1 or ap_scan=2 or something, that tends to break some devices, iirc15:12
kenvandineogra_, i failed miserably at building my own kernel for this last night... everything i built just refused to boot :)15:12
ogra_kenvandine, well, lets look at it during the sprint :) ... also i think davidm and pgraner have such a device running ubuntu on it15:13
ogra_they might be able to help out with a better kernel15:13
kenvandinecyphermox, i did find some people with this problem in some forums15:13
kenvandinewhich suggested15:13
kenvandineeapol_version=115:13
kenvandineap_scan=215:13
kenvandinein a conf file and run wpa_supplicant manually15:13
kenvandinebut i didn't need that, just manually configured in nm-connection-editor and all was good15:14
kenvandineogra_, i am going to buy a faster sdcard asap :)15:14
ogra_kenvandine, oh, and did you say you run linaro builds ?15:14
ogra_they differ from ubuntu15:15
kenvandineyes15:15
kenvandinewell, for the rootfs15:15
ogra_yes15:15
kenvandinei grabbed their ubuntu-desktop one15:15
kenvandineeasy base15:15
ogra_they build it by installing the metapackage during image build instead of the task ...15:15
kenvandineogra_, i am open to suggestions15:15
ogra_that can result in different dependency resolution15:15
kenvandinei did have a couple problems... a missing file in the dbus package15:15
kenvandineand wrong ownership on /var/lib/lightdm15:16
ogra_right15:16
kenvandinebut easily fixes15:16
ogra_there might be bits missing to make NM DTRT15:16
ogra_not sure15:16
kenvandinegood point15:16
ogra_one option for a rootfs would be to use the ubuntu-core tarballs15:16
ogra_or use the ac100 one15:16
kenvandineogra_, where are they?15:16
ogra_ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/for the ac100 one (full desktop unity-2d install)15:17
kenvandinecool15:18
ogra_http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/oneiric/release/ ubuntu-core (absolute minimal system to build something on top)15:18
kenvandinei didn't realize those were there :)15:19
ogra_well, #ubuntu-arm is next door ;)15:19
kenvandinewe need kinetic scrolling so bad... :)15:20
kenvandinehitting these scrollbars are a pita15:20
kenvandinewith a laggy system15:20
kenvandinenot sure it would be better if it was snappy15:20
ogra_you mean overlay scrollbars ?15:22
ogra_well, the do the overlay part just awesome ... just not the scrolling ... but with bad IO i often have one sitting there for a few mins even though i switched the app long ago15:23
dobeykenvandine: we need kinect scrolling.15:32
kenvandinethat too :)15:32
dobeyand xbox needs to unleash the system update already15:32
dobeyso i can watch syfy15:32
kenvandineogra_, i just have trouble getting it to raise the thumb at all15:32
kenvandineif i manage to, it scrolls fine15:32
ogra_ah15:33
kenvandinejust when i hit it, it doesn't raise15:33
kenvandineso i move away... and 30s later i see it raise and hide :/15:33
dobeyand gwibber needs to not do the hide/show logos thing15:33
kenvandineso maybe it will be fine when it is faster15:33
dobey:)15:33
kenvandinedobey, what?15:34
dobeyi'll file bugs15:34
dobeyjust haven't gotten around to it yet :)15:34
kenvandineok... please do15:34
kenvandineno idea what logos you mean :)15:34
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dobeykenvandine: the identica/twitter logos when you hover over the messages in the list15:37
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kenvandineoh that, yeah... that was a temporary widget15:38
kenvandinewhich njpatel never got around to replacing... so this cycle :)15:38
dobeyi have plenty of other bugs to file too15:39
kenvandinedobey, do it!15:40
kenvandine:)15:40
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seb128pitti, do you plan to do the gvfs merge on debian? (just asking, I'm reviewing the precise desktop merges list, well rather the versions yellow list)16:03
pittiseb128: I'm happy to do it tomorrow morning16:12
seb128pitti, no hurry, thanks16:12
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pittiseb128: yay syncs16:18
pittiseb128: so 3.2 is landing in unstable now?16:18
seb128;-)16:18
seb128pitti, some bits are, but I'm also syncing stuff from experimental16:18
pittiseb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable?16:21
pittibigon: ^16:21
pittiI think we can update some packages in Debian then and sync, to bring us closer together again16:21
seb128pitti, I guess so16:22
* pitti didn't really do package updates this week, sorry16:22
seb128yeah, me neither, we should get going with merges though, I plan to spend next week on that16:23
seb128(this week is almost over, at least for me, I will take friday off, still quite some holidays days to use)16:23
seb128pitti, btw #debian-gnome is discussing pygobject and if they can move the experimental version to unstable16:25
seb128you might want to join16:25
pittiI do16:25
seb128kenvandine, rodrigo_, didrocks: help on GNOME merges would be welcome if you have some time in the next weeks16:27
didrocksseb128: I see little hope from my side having time though16:28
seb128mterry: ^ do you plan to do a few (the ones with your name on merges.ubuntu.com at least), or do the stable team exempt you of that as as well? ;-)16:28
seb128didrocks, ok16:28
kenvandineseb128, will do16:30
seb128thanks16:31
rodrigo_seb128, which merges?16:33
rodrigo_seb128, from debian you mean?16:34
seb128rodrigo_, yes, https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html16:34
rodrigo_seb128, ok, will work on those on idle times16:34
seb128thanks16:34
seb128well basically version should be all green16:34
seb128or at least get no yellow ;-)16:34
seb128now is a good time to review our diff, send patches to upstream and debian, and rebase on debian16:35
rodrigo_ok16:35
* pitti puts a cherry on top of bug 869970 and waves to seb12816:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 869970 in apport "it would be nice to update the function name in the title after retracing" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86997016:37
seb128pitti, \o/16:38
pittithe launchpad backend test suite is working again16:38
pittigood night everyone!16:55
seb128'night pitti16:56
seb128oh btw guys I updated version to point to GNOME 3.2 by default16:56
seb128since that's we default to track for precise16:56
pittiah, thanks16:57
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bigon17:21 < pitti> seb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable? << I guess it's safer to ask to #debian-gnome17:37
mterry2seb128: do they build?  :)  but seriously, i could grab some merges17:40
seb128oh, a second mterry!17:41
hallynuh, where do i find the option to emulate middle mouse click?17:41
seb128mterry2: if you have feel slots that would be welcome but don't feel like you have to17:41
mterry2seb128: internet's been odd for me today.  this is phone-mike, nice to meet you!17:42
seb128mterry2;: nice to meet you ;-)17:42
didrocksok, time to have some rest, see you guys!17:49
desrt_is robert on vacation?17:53
seb128desrt_, robert_ancell? I don't think so17:53
desrt_or is european time even worse for syncing up with australia than american?17:53
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seb128desrt_, european time is worse, he's around from 11pm to 8am usually17:53
desrtlol.17:54
chrisccoulsonhah, all the mozilla homepages have a link to http://www.mozilla.org/sopa now17:54
chrisccoulsoneh, www.mozilla.org17:54
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hallynall right, we need for 'all settings' in the settings manager to also point to gpointing-device-settings, imo17:56
seb128hallyn, gpointing-device-settings?17:57
hallynseb128: that appeared to be the only way to turn on middle mouse click emulation18:03
hallynthe normal mouse settings program was no help18:03
seb128hallyn, is that an utility you installed?18:03
hallynno18:03
hallynuh, myabe18:04
seb128seems so18:04
hallynmaybe it got installed in place of gsynaptic18:04
hallynit doesn't seem acceptable to not have 'emulate middle mouse click' in the default 'mouse settings' program, though.18:05
seb128hallyn, why not?18:06
hallynbecause, when my wife sits down to use xfig and can't terminate a line because there is no middle click, and there's no obvious way to turn it on, that doesn' tlook good18:08
seb128hallyn, is there any reason why that option should not just be on by default?18:09
hallynseb128: no18:11
hallyni would think it should be18:11
hallynwhere would that be done, though, now that there is no xorg.conf18:12
seb128hallyn, it's funny, I can't find a request about that feature in my bugs box, I guess mouses without a middle button are almost non existant nowadays18:13
hallynseb128: also, 2 out of 3 laptops in front of me (with 2 mouse buttons) have middle click working by default18:13
hallynso i don't know why it wasn't on on the vaio f11 by default.  But it wasn't.18:13
seb128well, you have installed non standard stuff it seems18:14
seb128like gsynaptic18:14
seb128so maybe one of those broke it?18:14
hallynno!  i jsut now installed that to frantically try to fix it18:14
chrisccoulsonhmmm, what happened to my monospace fonts in precise? :/18:14
chrisccoulsonthey're ugly again!18:14
hallynit was just a unity-on-oneiric laptop18:14
seb128hallyn, ok, dunno then, apparently it's supposed to be working out of the box18:15
hallynoh well, now that i know where to find it (for now), if noone else cares, then i guess that's fine18:15
hallynthx18:16
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cyphermoxoh boy, stupid duplicate bug tags :/19:34
cyphermoxevolution upload, but something went wrong with my script to match bugs fixed upstream19:35
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worpoleHi! I was wondering if you could perhaps help with a problem I am having. I recently upgraded to the latest version "Oneric Ocelot" and after a few weeks I am having internet connectivity problems. My connection speed is now VERY VERY slow! I have tried troubleshooting the problem by disabling the WIFI connection and using an ethernet connection instead but speed is no better. Other computers in the house are acheive spee22:40
worpoleds of around 5 meg but my laptop with ubuntu is getting around 0.1. And this speed is the same regardless of whether I use an wireless connection or an ethernet cable. Any ideas what the problem might be?22:40
worpoleoops the first bit was supposed to read "i recently upgraded to the latest version, Oneric Occleot"22:41
TheMusoworpole: Please go to #ubuntu for support, this is a development channel.22:42
RAOFBetter to ask in #ubuntu; this isn't a support channel.  Also, no idea.22:42
worpoleok cool, what would be a good support channel to try?22:42
TheMusoworpole: As above, the #ubuntu channel is your best bet.22:44
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