[00:13] <chrisccoulson> gah, i hate powerpc
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> please die
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> please
[00:14] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Since its not a supported arch by Canonical, if it FTBFs just don't worry about it... Unless of course its irritating you to get the FTBFs emails etc.
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's just a FTBFS
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> i shall ignore it for now unless someone complains
[00:15] <TheMuso> I'll bet you won't hear a thing.
[00:16] <TheMuso> I've worked on powerpc on and off over the last few years, but can't get anybody else from the community to get involved, so I've lost interest.
[00:16] <TheMuso> At least there is still debian.
[00:19] <bjsnider> how many people still use ppc hardware?
[00:19] <TheMuso> The #ubuntu-powerpc channel still sees a few people a week coming in and asking questions.
[00:20] <TheMuso> And the debian-powerpc list is reasonably active, i.e maybe a few posts a week.
[00:20] <TheMuso> Most people who I've seen using it are in 2nd-world/non-western Countries.
[00:21] <TheMuso> Or whereever there is a deacent market for used hardware, whatever the form.
[02:49] <TheMuso> Urgh in precise, something is preventing me from using alt key combinations to switch between channels in irssi, and no I don't have more than one tab open in the terminal window where irssi is running.
[02:51] <RAOF> TheMuso: Is there an EQ overflow in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, perchance?
[02:51]  * TheMuso looks
[02:51] <dobey> TheMuso: well, unity does screw up alt keybindings in gnome-terminal
[02:52] <TheMuso> RAOF: no
[02:52] <TheMuso> dobey: Right, but it was working in oneiric.
[02:52] <dobey> although, numbers should be fine
[02:52] <RAOF> Ok, not the thing that I've had happen then.
[02:52] <TheMuso> Numbers are not working either.
[02:52] <dobey> TheMuso: is your numlock turned off or something? laptop keyboard issue?
[02:54] <TheMuso> Numlock is off, but it has to be for Orca use.
[02:54] <TheMuso> Numlck was off in oneiric too and things worked.
[02:54] <TheMuso> What is interesting is that in another terminal on another workspace, I can switch between tabs with alt + numbers.
[02:55] <TheMuso> And the irssi I am using is actually sitting on a lucid box, going via ssh + screen.
[02:55] <dobey> TheMuso: if you're using irssi in screen, you can try opening a new terminal and reconnecting to it there, and seeing if it works again
[02:55] <TheMuso> dobey: I've already killed gnome-terminal completely and reloaded it.
[02:56] <dobey> oh, ok; if all else fails, blame compiz? :)
[02:56] <TheMuso> I'm not blaming anything at this point. I can try logging out/back in I guess.
[02:57] <dobey> could try unity 2d instead of 3d also
[02:59] <TheMuso> Theres a thought.
[02:59] <dobey> i'm pretty much out of ideas beyond that, though :)
[03:01] <TheMuso> No, not working in unity-2d either. I suspect something to do with gnome-terminal itself.
[03:01] <TheMuso> Hrm maybe not, doesn't look like the version has changed since oneiric.
[03:04] <TheMuso> dobey: thanks anyway.
[03:04] <TheMuso> I did a fresh install but left my home dir intact, so I wonder if something somewhere in my previous config is doing something funky.
[03:13] <dobey> well it's working ok for me on oneiric in that respect, and my home directory has been here since long enough that i don't remember when it wasn't. but surely since from before i even used ubuntu :)
[03:14] <TheMuso> Right, it was working in oneiric for me too. No matter, I can work around it for now.
[03:15] <jbicha> bug 890555
[03:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890555
[03:16] <jbicha> TheMuso: are you using byobu?
[03:16] <TheMuso> jbicha: No I am not.
[03:16] <TheMuso> Thanks for the bug link.
[03:17] <jbicha> if you were, the new byobu-tmux (which will soon be default) eats the alt shortcuts by default
[03:23] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:23] <TheMuso> Ooh there is a proposed patch in the upstream bug.
[03:23]  * TheMuso grabs and builds.
[03:25] <TheMuso> Ah, the joys of being on the bleeding edge.
[03:27] <jbicha> gtk 3.2.2 was supposed to be bugfixes, not bleeding edge... :)
[03:28] <dobey> i have seen upstream "stable" releases of gtk+ break things too many times, to believe that ;)
[03:30] <TheMuso> dobey: I agree.
[03:30] <dobey> "oh you were using that public API? sorry, we fixed this bug that now makes that API entirely useless to you. deal."
[03:30] <dobey> :-/
[03:35] <TheMuso> Ok, I've got my eye on that upstrea bug. If that patch gets put into upstream git, I'll upload a revision of vte to precise.
[03:36] <dobey> does it fix it for you?
[03:36] <jbicha> TheMuso: did you see that Debian split vte into vte and vte3 ?
[03:36] <TheMuso> jbicha: No I didn't.
[03:36] <TheMuso> dobey: Still building.
[03:36] <TheMuso> I had to install build deps first.
[03:36] <dobey> ah ok
[03:37] <TheMuso> jbicha: Do you mean source packages?
[03:37] <jbicha> TheMuso: yes
[03:37] <jbicha> http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vte3.html
[03:37] <TheMuso> jbicha: Right, I don't keep a great eye on Debian GNOME packaging, but I've touched vte a few times due to my dependance on it.
[03:38] <TheMuso> Its probably worth us looking into doing the same thing.
[03:39] <TheMuso> Oh and yay for the perl transition breaking sbuild just when I was going to install it. :)
[03:39] <dobey> heh
[03:40] <dobey> it apparently broke the world this morning, *right* as i uploaded a package to precise that needed intltool :)
[03:40] <TheMuso> Lovely.
[03:40] <TheMuso> I used the last daily for my install so things were not broken, at least for the install image.
[03:41] <TheMuso> Ok brb, restarting terminal to see if that patch helps.
[03:41] <TheMuso> Ah! Yes it works!
[03:41] <dobey> nice
[03:41] <TheMuso> I have my traditional workflow back again. :)
[03:49] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Mind me merging libraw?  It's on my color-management-related buglist.
[03:49] <robert_ancell> RAOF, no complaints from me!
[03:51] <dobey> ah well, must get some rst
[03:51] <dobey> rest even
[03:51] <dobey> later
[04:02] <jbicha> TheMuso: bummer, I just logged out and back in and now I have the broken Alt problem too!
[04:04] <TheMuso> jbicha: I have a package built. DO you know if the desktop team has a PPA for GNOME stuff where I could upload it for you?
[04:05] <jbicha> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[04:06] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll throw it up there for you if you'd like. Its not versioned for a PPA though, is that a problem?
[04:06]  * TheMuso never has to use the desktop team PPAs for anything.
[04:06] <TheMuso> So is unsure of procedures/policies.
[04:07] <jbicha> if you could add a ~ppa1 to the version, that would help
[04:07] <TheMuso> No problem, will do.
[04:09] <TheMuso> jbicha: Uploaded, should be available as source shortly, so you can pull it down and build it yourself if you are in a hurry. :)
[04:16] <jbicha> TheMuso: I'll give it a try in the morning, it's getting late here...zzz
[04:16] <TheMuso> jbicha: np
[04:34] <RAOF> Yay!  Sbuild is installable again!
[04:41] <TheMuso> ooo good to hear.
[05:17] <pitti> Good morning
[05:20] <pitti> RAOF, TheMuso: if postinsts build AOT code, that will be in the live system as well, unless live-build.sh takes special measures to remove them
[05:21] <TheMuso> pitti: Yeah I am aware of that, and good morning.
[05:21] <RAOF> pitti: Good morning.  So, we'd need live-build.sh to take special measures to remove them.
[05:22] <pitti> bryceh, jasoncwarner_: some play in the WIs> yes, of course; not complaining about 24 vs. 26, but I do complain about 5 vs. 26 :)
[05:23] <pitti> RAOF: of course that might be obsolete when we switch back to TB
[05:23] <pitti> RB, I mean
[05:23] <RAOF> Eh, I've been wanting to do the AOT-in-postinst for a while.  It's an obvious thing to do.
[05:24] <RAOF> Also, I'm not entirely clear how to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lcms/+bug/885324 (which is currently showing up as almost all of my work items).  I'm happy to do some of those switches, but I don't think the entire transition should be mine :)
[05:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress]
[05:25] <pitti> RAOF: I unassigned the blueprint
[05:26] <pitti> RAOF: so all the linked tasks are now unowned
[05:26] <pitti> RAOF: the whiteboard has explicit assignees, so that should be fine
[05:26] <RAOF> Ok, great.
[05:26] <pitti> however, the bug still needs some love, at  least the packages in main actually need assignees
[05:27] <pitti> otherwise they'll just hang around in the air with nobody being responsible or having it on the radar
[05:28]  * pitti assigns them to c-d-t for now
[05:28] <RAOF> I'll claim the ones I'm happy to do, I guess.
[05:28] <pitti> thanks
[05:29] <micahg> pitti: is it worth setting up a transition in the tracker for liblcms?
[05:29] <pitti> I don't know -- doesn't bug 885324 suffice for this?
[05:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885324 in cups "Completely replace lcms1 by lcms2 in Ubuntu" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885324
[05:30] <micahg> pitti: well, the transition in the tracker tracks stuff that built properly everywhere as well, the bug will only track if someone has done the porting
[05:31] <pitti> ah, ok; I don't know what it takes to set it up, but it's certainly a large and nontrivial one
[05:34] <micahg> pitti: in lp:~ubuntu-transition-trackers/+junk/transition-tracker/ there is a folder ubuntu/monitor with .ben files in it, I can set one up next week if no one else does it first
[05:37] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you think we should move the items in desktop-q-wayland-tech-preview into desktop-o-xorg-wayland-something-or-other?
[05:40] <robert_ancell> I've done that, seems simpler...
[05:40] <RAOF> Ok.
[05:41] <RAOF> The tech preview blueprint has a more obvious name, but eh!  It doesn't make much difference :)
[05:52] <pitti> Run "gconftool --solve 'tanh 0.1'".  It will print 0.549833997, although
[05:52] <pitti> the actual answer is 0.099667995.
[05:52] <pitti> wow, that really freaked me out
[05:52] <pitti> turns out that guy actually meant "gcalctool" :)
[05:56] <broder> ha!
[07:07] <RAOF> Bah.  Dear vala: why?
[07:47] <didrocks> good morning
[08:12] <bryceh> pitti, could you accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-xorg for precise?
[08:12] <pitti> bryceh: done
[08:12] <bryceh> ta
[08:23] <rickspencer3> pitti, hi, how is the desktop team coming along wrt getting work items listed out?
[08:23] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[08:24] <pitti> rickspencer3: some 5 specs are still being drafted, and some people have too many WIs; I compiled a TODO list yesterday, and folks are on it
[08:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[08:24] <pitti> rickspencer3: our goal is to get it done by EOW
[08:24] <rickspencer3> pitti, I ask because looking here:
[08:24] <rickspencer3> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html
[08:24] <rickspencer3> it does seem like a lot of work items piling up
[08:24] <rickspencer3> though, in fairness, many of them seem to be related to other teams
[08:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: did you see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoGTYJ3uqCiMdHQzeUI5akNkS1I0ckJGNXpJbnEwLUE#gid=0 ?
[08:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: that's what I'm using for planning
[08:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: the numbers are from yesterday afternoon, some cleanup happened since then
[08:25] <pitti> I'll update it in a bit
[08:25]  * rickspencer3 looks
[08:25] <rickspencer3> pitti, nice
[08:26] <pitti> and nobody yell "not a metric"!
[08:26] <rickspencer3> so you are shooting for < 196
[08:26] <rickspencer3> ?
[08:27] <pitti> yes, I consider the "precise WI limit" column a pretty hard limit
[08:27] <pitti> rickspencer3: but not only the sum, also the number for everyone individually
[08:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, right
[08:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, I <3 u
[08:27] <rickspencer3> :)
[08:27] <rickspencer3> this is so awesome
[08:28] <pitti> RAOF: I just updated your's, but you still have 15 WIs
[08:28] <rickspencer3> is this a best practice, or something you do yourself?
[08:28] <pitti> rickspencer3: The latter for now; it's a trial how well this works
[08:28] <pitti> I wanted to try something new and more evidence based than the guesswork we did before
[08:28] <rickspencer3> pitti, may I write a blog post about it?
[08:29] <rickspencer3> well, I know I "may" ... but would you mind if I did ?
[08:29] <rickspencer3> ;)
[08:29] <pitti> rickspencer3: please go ahead; but we should make the document public then, if nobody objects to that
[08:29] <pitti> it's taking public data sources, and is just number playing, but not sure if anyone in the desktop team considers this "private"
[08:30] <rickspencer3> pitti, so long as it doesn't link to any company confidential info, I guess making it public make sense anyway
[08:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: with the just updated stuff the sum is now actually reasonable
[08:30] <pitti> but not for individuals
[08:31] <rickspencer3> pitti, I know exactly what you mean, I've been in your current situations many times
[08:31] <rickspencer3> where you have to make some weird choices
[08:31] <rickspencer3> do thing 2 that is less important than thing 1, but only a certain overbook person can do thing 1
[08:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: bbl, 1-on-1 with Jason now; incidentally reviewing the spec list and chopping some is on our list today :)
[08:32] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[08:32] <rickspencer3> this is awesome, you made my morning
[08:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: right; in the past we only half-looked at the sum, and it hasn't worked
[08:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: so, please feel free to fiddle with the permissions to allow public viewing (but not editing), it's not immediately clear to me how that works
[08:33] <pitti> a google doc is not ideal for this anyway, it should eventually go into the WI tracker; but for trying the concept it's doing ok
[08:36] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:44] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html
[08:44] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise?searchtext=desktop-p-
[08:53] <RAOF> -1 duplicate WI, -1 WI that's got no chance of landing in P.
[08:54] <RAOF> Now, 13 is still > 5, but that's getting closer :)
[09:06] <didrocks> RAOF: push harder, it will fit at some point! :)
[09:07] <RAOF> Well... 1 + 3 < 5!  I win!
[09:08] <didrocks> heh :-)
[09:17] <seb128> hey
[09:17] <desrt> seb128: good morning
[09:17] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[09:18] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[09:18] <desrt> pretty decent
[09:18] <desrt> but wanting to go home :p
[09:19] <seb128> desrt, stop travelling! ;-)
[09:20] <desrt> at the end of this week i'll be home for ~2 months
[09:20] <desrt> 2 glorious months
[09:22] <rodrigo_> desrt, where are you?
[09:22] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[09:22] <desrt> manchester
[09:22] <rodrigo_> ah
[09:24] <seb128> desrt, 2 months before a new year of nomade live? ;-)
[09:24] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:24] <desrt> seb128: platform sprint and a11y hackfest in january.  gtk hackfest in february... it begins.....
[09:25] <seb128> I can see that coming ;-)
[09:25] <seb128> UDS, GUADEC, holidays in Europe
[09:25] <seb128> second platform sprint
[09:27] <desrt> gotta do it before i get all old and cranky
[09:38] <hrw> hi
[09:38] <pitti> RAOF: well, 13 is actually not unreasonable
[09:38] <pitti> RAOF: you just ended up with that low estimate because you just had 6 or so last cycle
[09:39] <pitti> RAOF: if you are okay with the ones you have right now, and think that they are realistic, I just mark it as "confirmed" in the chart
[09:39] <pitti> RAOF: I just want to avoid the situation that people collect tons of WIs in many sessions and lose track
[09:46] <desrt> pitti: you're a true gentleman
[09:48] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish
[09:50] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[09:51] <pitti> desrt: I lost track, which country are you in right now?
[09:51] <desrt> england
[09:51]  * desrt is reasonably good
[09:51] <desrt> pitti: feeling good about the cycle after the WI round-up?
[09:52] <pitti> desrt: I wish we had fewer, but by and large yes
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:53] <desrt> chrisccoulson: hey
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> hi desrt, how are you?
[09:53] <desrt> okay
[09:54] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[09:57] <pitti> didrocks: you are still using weechat, right? do the alt keys still work for you? they broke for me on Monday or yesterday
[09:58] <didrocks> pitti: I still have the precise version (I'm picking only some part of precise), and it works, do you want me to try the precise one?
[09:58] <pitti> didrocks: ah, you mean "oneiric"
[09:58] <didrocks> oopsss, indeed :)
[09:58] <pitti> didrocks: I downgraded to 3.5 again and it was still broken, so I suspect it's in a library
[09:58] <pitti> but it also stopped working in a VT, so I don't think it's gtk or so
[09:59] <pitti> didrocks: but not urgent, don't break your box because of me :)
[09:59] <didrocks> pitti: oh weird, still working in oneiric + all -proposed updates
[09:59] <didrocks> pitti: I plan to fully dist-upgrade next Monday
[09:59] <pitti> yes, it was working in precise until Monday, too
[09:59] <didrocks> if alt + a breaks, I will die :)
[10:00] <pitti> alt + <number> and alt+<p> is highly useful, I'm missing that now
[10:00] <pitti> I moved alt+a to strg+g
[10:00] <didrocks> alt + p is only to "clean the screen", isn't it?
[10:00] <didrocks> I'm not using that one
[10:00] <pitti> no, "previous ping"
[10:01] <didrocks> ah :)
[10:01] <pitti> so, open backscroll in the morning, jump through apt+p
[10:01] <didrocks> yeah, as I use no more IRC server, the usage is quite limited right now :)
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i really need some better lighting in here
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> it's really dark this morning
[10:04] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[10:07] <pitti> rodrigo_: hey
[10:07] <pitti> rodrigo_: I just reviewed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-systemd-packagekit , can you please be a bit more detailled for the required interfaces there?
[10:07] <pitti> thanks!
[10:07] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson pitti
[10:08] <seb128> how are you?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks, how are you?
[10:08] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[10:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128!
[10:11] <TheMuso> pitti: I encountered the same issue with the alt key in gnome-terminal today after ypgrading to precise. A fix proposed in an upstrea bug for vte is sitting in the GNOME desktop PPA, ppa:gnome-desktop/ppa if you want to test.
[10:11] <TheMuso> Bug 890555
[10:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 890555 in gtk+3.0 "Alt stopped working as Meta in gnome-terminal with gtk+3.0 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890555
[10:12] <pitti> TheMuso: oh, thanks
[10:12] <pitti> TheMuso: it seems to work fine for switching tabs and opening menus, thoug
[10:12] <TheMuso> pitti: Yes, my experience also.
[10:12] <pitti> and it stopped working on VTs, too
[10:12] <TheMuso> pitti: I use alt keys with nymbers and letters to fling myself around my several irssi chat channels.
[10:12] <pitti> so I didn't suspect gtk etc.
[10:13] <pitti> anyway, testing
[10:13] <TheMuso> err, numbers.
[10:13] <TheMuso> And https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663779
[10:13] <ubot2> Gnome bug 663779 in VteTerminal "Alt/Meta/Mod1 broken again" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:14] <pitti> ah, not built yet, /me grabs source
[10:15] <TheMuso> FWIW it works for me here.
[10:31] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, sure
[10:33] <pitti> TheMuso: that partially helps indeed; some bindings are still broken, but that could be my fault; alt+number works again, thanks!
[10:33] <TheMuso> pitti: np, I'm subscribed to the upstrea bug, so if upstream gives that patch the stamp of approval, I'm happy to upload it to precise.
[10:34] <pitti> TheMuso: it's straightforward, so we could even upload it right now
[10:34] <pitti> it mirrors the change in GTK, after all
[10:34] <TheMuso> Oh ok, I'll upload right away then.
[10:35] <pitti> in the sense of "don't break precise for devs" :)
[10:35] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks! (NB it's in bzr)
[10:35] <TheMuso> oh ok
[10:39] <rodrigo_> pitti, done
[10:39] <pitti> rodrigo_: oh, changing system locale? I thought we already do that in accountsservice, from language-selector
[10:39] <rodrigo_> pitti, no, we don't
[10:39] <rodrigo_> pitti, we just store the locale for the user there
[10:39] <pitti> hm, I wonder what it uses then -- we do have an "apply system wide" option there
[10:40] <rodrigo_> it uses systemd's interface
[10:40] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, nevermind
[10:40] <pitti> rodrigo_: language-selector has its own root dbus backend for this
[10:40] <pitti> so yes, implementing that in u-s-s sounds great
[10:40] <pitti> rodrigo_: thanks!
[10:40] <rodrigo_> yes, my plan is to just make it implement the systemd interface and call the current code
[10:41] <pitti> rodrigo_: no, language-selector will go away, so it acutally needs to move there
[10:42] <pitti> and in language-selector we'll call u-s-s instead
[10:42] <pitti> (in case KDE still wants to keep it)
[10:42] <rodrigo_> pitti, sorry, I mean u-s-s, it has a method for setting the system locale, doesn't it?
[10:43] <pitti> rodrigo_: so far just for setting proxy, keyboard layout, and reboot
[10:43] <pitti> but setting locale fits in perfectly there
[10:43] <rodrigo_> yeah
[10:44] <rodrigo_> right, sorry, the sys keyboard layout is part of the system locale changes
[10:44] <pitti> rodrigo_: anyway, we violently agree :)
[10:44] <mvo> seb128: good monring! pardon my silly question, but what packages provides the https support for gio/glib?
[10:44] <rodrigo_> pitti, :)
[10:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: hey Bjoern, wie gehts?
[10:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-packaging, or is that ready for approval?
[10:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: (FWIW, I don't think we should enable the lo-menubar code in precise, not in its current state)
[10:50] <seb128> mvo, glib-networking
[10:50] <seb128> ?
[10:55] <mvo> seb128: hm, I get a error here when I try to access https location with that, there seems to be something else going on (I'm debugging a odd s-c exhibit banner failure currently). but maybe I'm missing something else, I try to create a test-case. this is a xubuntu stock install fwiw
[10:56] <seb128> mvo, well, define https
[10:56] <rodrigo_> brb
[10:57] <seb128> mvo, gvfs has a webdav backend if that's webdav
[10:57] <mvo> seb128: I guess the question is what package I need to make http://paste.ubuntu.com/740079/ work :) I will check webdav now
[10:58] <seb128> desrt might know better
[10:59] <desrt> not likely.
[10:59] <desrt> oh.
[10:59] <mvo> ohh, it seems like gvfs-backends is simply missing!
[10:59] <desrt> it's gvfs
[10:59] <mvo> so thats it
[11:00] <desrt> glib-networking is mostly proxies and ssl
[11:00] <mvo> thanks, found it now, sorry for the noise!
[11:01] <desrt> if you install glib in not-/usr and don't also install a gvfs in the same place then you'll hit this problem
[11:01] <desrt> :)
[11:02] <mvo> heh :)
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, my PPA uploads seem to be disappearing in to a black hole
[11:06] <glatzor_> morning mvo
[11:07] <mvo> hey glatzor_, nice to see you
[11:07] <pitti> hey glatzor_, wie gehts?
[11:13] <glatzor_> pitti, thanks fine! yourself?
[11:13] <pitti> "/window left
[11:13]  * desrt walks to the left and opens the window for pitti
[11:14] <pitti> glatzor_: quite fine, thanks!
[11:14] <pitti> desrt: thanks; can you fix my key bindings while you are at it? :-)
[11:14]  * desrt hands pitti a wrench and tells him to figure it out himself
[11:16] <pitti> didrocks: ok, with TheMuso's patch all is happy again
[11:16] <pitti> didrocks: so, safe to upgrade once again :)
[11:17] <didrocks> pitti: excellent, thanks for the info! :-)
[11:32] <TheMuso> tttttttttt/c
[11:32] <TheMuso> whoops
[11:32] <ricotz> hello everyone
[11:33] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi
[11:33] <chrisccoulson> hi ricotz
[11:33] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, do you know about a regression in thunderbird 8 not showing specific attachments
[11:33] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, i'm not aware of anything like that
[11:35] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, it is a Mime-Version: 1.0 mail with Content-Type: APPLICATION/PDF, so it only includes a base64 encoded pdf
[11:36] <ricotz> generated by SAP R/3
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, any chance you could send me an example?
[11:39] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hmm, i will try to strip out the private parts
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:40] <ricotz> it works with 7.0.1 though
[11:56] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, i have sent it to you
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, thanks. will take a look in a bit
[12:03] <rodrigo_> pitti, hmm, you removed my name from some WIs, I guess they get assigned to the assignee for the BP?
[12:05] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, thanks
[12:23] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes, easier to read
[12:23] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok
[12:26] <pitti> rodrigo_: FYI, you uploaded g-s-d without -v, so if the previous changelog closed any bugs, you have to do that manually
[12:26] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, did it manually
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i really should upgrade to precise today
[12:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is it fixed yet? ;-)
[12:48] <hrw> bug 891116 is irritating - did someone got hit by that?
[12:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 891116 in unity "After switching desktops I am unable to enter data from keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891116
[12:49] <seb128> hrw, works fine here (with unity-3d)
[12:52] <hrw> I just got it twice
[12:53]  * ogra_ doesnt have that either
[12:53] <ogra_> unity-2d though
[12:53] <ogra_> and reliable arm HW indeed :)
[12:53] <hrw> ogra_: I used unity/2d for 2 days and decided that it is enough.
[12:54] <hrw> ogra_: 2d has things which 3d lacks and vice versa
[12:54] <ogra_> sure
[12:54] <hrw> nice thing in unity/2d is 'do not use top panel for maximized windows' gconf setting
[12:54] <ogra_> i love the top panel integration since i use a 1024x600 screen for working
[12:55] <hrw> but bug 891077 made me switch to 3d
[12:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 891077 in unity-2d "Add vertical/horizontal maximize on RMB/MMB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891077
[12:55] <hrw> ogra_: I use fullhd
[12:55] <ogra_> even there i like to not waste space for the menu
[12:56] <hrw> I do not like macos style menu - hard to reach when >1 app on screen
[12:56] <ogra_> you can add RMB/MMB support easily to metacity using devilspie
[12:56] <hrw> as I use 'focus under mouse' activation
[12:56] <hrw> ogra_: metacity is only one wm which I used during last few years which needs extra care for it
[12:56] <ogra_> me too, i got used to move the window to the top if i need the menu
[12:57] <ogra_> hrw, not my fault, i only told you how to solve it :P
[12:57] <ogra_> all extra functionality you want from metacity can be done via devilspie
[12:58] <hrw> ogra_: I know ;)
[12:59]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[13:00] <hrw> bug 890283 was also ugly but thats design of unity I think
[13:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 890283 in unity-2d "Pass mouse scroll events to systray icons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890283
[13:14]  * zyga reports a new unity bug
[13:17] <zyga> bug 891128
[13:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 891128 in unity "Firefox download manager title bar is corrupted while download is in progress and unity is asked to show application windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891128
[13:40] <seb128> bah, the etherpad signing stuff is annoying
[15:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[15:01] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[15:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ping
[15:02] <cyphermox> pong
[15:02] <cyphermox> sup?
[15:02] <seb128> kenvandine, don't distract cyphermox from the evo updates! ;-)
[15:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, hey... i have a weird problem on completely unsupported hardware
[15:02] <kenvandine> :)
[15:02] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, how are you?
[15:02] <cyphermox> seb128: doing alright
[15:02] <kenvandine> seb128, :)
[15:02] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks for doing the evo updates ;-)
[15:02] <cyphermox> seb128: practically done with evo...
[15:02] <seb128> key kenvandine btw ;-)
[15:02] <cyphermox> eds is done, evo to be finished with soon
[15:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, so running natty it can scan wifi and connect just fine
[15:03] <kenvandine> NM that is
[15:03] <cyphermox> (expect that eds and evo will still need to be SRUd)
[15:03] <kenvandine> however, running oneiric with the same natty kernel it can't scan
[15:03] <cyphermox> ok
[15:03] <kenvandine> but if i manually add the access point
[15:03] <cyphermox> kenvandine: what hardware?
[15:03] <kenvandine> it suddenly connects and lets you scan
[15:03] <kenvandine> this is my viewsonic gtablet :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> so arm
[15:04] <kenvandine> i am running the linaro builds of ubuntu-desktop
[15:04] <kenvandine> for the rootfs
[15:04] <cyphermox> kenvandine: also, I have to ask about indicator-me, why does is show 0.2.90 in the ~desktop branch, but it only appears to be at 0.2.19 in precise (might need updates, as it ftbfs, which is why I'm asking)
[15:04] <kenvandine> and a kernel someone else built
[15:04] <cyphermox> kenvandine: could you give me what lspci reports for the wifi chip?
[15:04] <kenvandine> cyphermox, that should just get dropped, i think
[15:05] <cyphermox> kenvandine: indicator-me> ok
[15:05] <cyphermox> afaics, updating it to 0.2.90 would actually fix it, I think
[15:05] <kenvandine> lspci doesn't work, no pci bus :)
[15:05] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ok, i'll do that for now
[15:05] <cyphermox> ah, I mean lsusb maybe?
[15:06] <cyphermox> kenvandine: actually ,for indicator-me it doesn't really matter, I guess I could ask the ayatana maintainers in debian to update
[15:06] <kenvandine> lsusb only shows usb hubs
[15:06] <cyphermox> d'oh
[15:06] <kenvandine> let me get it from the log
[15:07] <kenvandine> well that doesn't tell me much :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> the driver is brcmfmac
[15:07] <kenvandine> which is the same between natty and oneiric
[15:07] <kenvandine> same for the firmware
[15:08] <kenvandine> the only difference is the userspace
[15:08] <kenvandine> it's mostly weird that it can scan once i configure one manually
[15:08] <kenvandine> it sees a bunch and i can connect to them fine
[15:09] <kenvandine> cyphermox, also, iwlist wlan0 scan
[15:09] <kenvandine> worked fine before configuring it
[15:10] <kenvandine> just not nm-applet
[15:10] <cyphermox> kenvandine: so there has to be something special about that driver and reported capabilities or something
[15:11] <kenvandine> wpa_supplicant maybe?
[15:11] <cyphermox> kenvandine: could you send me syslog and I'll look at it a little later?
[15:11] <kenvandine> sure... not important
[15:11] <kenvandine> just an odd problem :)
[15:11] <cyphermox> it could be wpa_supplicant, but in the logs you should at least see it try to associate
[15:11] <kenvandine> there are errors in the logs
[15:11] <kenvandine> but the same errors are on natty too
[15:12] <kenvandine> cyphermox, evo updates are more important :)
[15:12] <cyphermox> if it's wpa_supplicant then it's likely also caused by whatever the driver reports, which will have NM choose between ap_scan=1 or ap_scan=2 or something, that tends to break some devices, iirc
[15:12] <kenvandine> ogra_, i failed miserably at building my own kernel for this last night... everything i built just refused to boot :)
[15:13] <ogra_> kenvandine, well, lets look at it during the sprint :) ... also i think davidm and pgraner have such a device running ubuntu on it
[15:13] <ogra_> they might be able to help out with a better kernel
[15:13] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i did find some people with this problem in some forums
[15:13] <kenvandine> which suggested
[15:13] <kenvandine> eapol_version=1
[15:13] <kenvandine> ap_scan=2
[15:13] <kenvandine> in a conf file and run wpa_supplicant manually
[15:14] <kenvandine> but i didn't need that, just manually configured in nm-connection-editor and all was good
[15:14] <kenvandine> ogra_, i am going to buy a faster sdcard asap :)
[15:14] <ogra_> kenvandine, oh, and did you say you run linaro builds ?
[15:15] <ogra_> they differ from ubuntu
[15:15] <kenvandine> yes
[15:15] <kenvandine> well, for the rootfs
[15:15] <ogra_> yes
[15:15] <kenvandine> i grabbed their ubuntu-desktop one
[15:15] <kenvandine> easy base
[15:15] <ogra_> they build it by installing the metapackage during image build instead of the task ...
[15:15] <kenvandine> ogra_, i am open to suggestions
[15:15] <ogra_> that can result in different dependency resolution
[15:15] <kenvandine> i did have a couple problems... a missing file in the dbus package
[15:16] <kenvandine> and wrong ownership on /var/lib/lightdm
[15:16] <ogra_> right
[15:16] <kenvandine> but easily fixes
[15:16] <ogra_> there might be bits missing to make NM DTRT
[15:16] <ogra_> not sure
[15:16] <kenvandine> good point
[15:16] <ogra_> one option for a rootfs would be to use the ubuntu-core tarballs
[15:16] <ogra_> or use the ac100 one
[15:16] <kenvandine> ogra_, where are they?
[15:17] <ogra_>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/for the ac100 one (full desktop unity-2d install)
[15:18] <kenvandine> cool
[15:18] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/oneiric/release/ ubuntu-core (absolute minimal system to build something on top)
[15:19] <kenvandine> i didn't realize those were there :)
[15:19] <ogra_> well, #ubuntu-arm is next door ;)
[15:20] <kenvandine> we need kinetic scrolling so bad... :)
[15:20] <kenvandine> hitting these scrollbars are a pita
[15:20] <kenvandine> with a laggy system
[15:20] <kenvandine> not sure it would be better if it was snappy
[15:22] <ogra_> you mean overlay scrollbars ?
[15:23] <ogra_> well, the do the overlay part just awesome ... just not the scrolling ... but with bad IO i often have one sitting there for a few mins even though i switched the app long ago
[15:32] <dobey> kenvandine: we need kinect scrolling.
[15:32] <kenvandine> that too :)
[15:32] <dobey> and xbox needs to unleash the system update already
[15:32] <dobey> so i can watch syfy
[15:32] <kenvandine> ogra_, i just have trouble getting it to raise the thumb at all
[15:32] <kenvandine> if i manage to, it scrolls fine
[15:33] <ogra_> ah
[15:33] <kenvandine> just when i hit it, it doesn't raise
[15:33] <kenvandine> so i move away... and 30s later i see it raise and hide :/
[15:33] <dobey> and gwibber needs to not do the hide/show logos thing
[15:33] <kenvandine> so maybe it will be fine when it is faster
[15:33] <dobey> :)
[15:34] <kenvandine> dobey, what?
[15:34] <dobey> i'll file bugs
[15:34] <dobey> just haven't gotten around to it yet :)
[15:34] <kenvandine> ok... please do
[15:34] <kenvandine> no idea what logos you mean :)
[15:37] <dobey> kenvandine: the identica/twitter logos when you hover over the messages in the list
[15:38] <kenvandine> oh that, yeah... that was a temporary widget
[15:38] <kenvandine> which njpatel never got around to replacing... so this cycle :)
[15:39] <dobey> i have plenty of other bugs to file too
[15:40] <kenvandine> dobey, do it!
[15:40] <kenvandine> :)
[16:03] <seb128> pitti, do you plan to do the gvfs merge on debian? (just asking, I'm reviewing the precise desktop merges list, well rather the versions yellow list)
[16:12] <pitti> seb128: I'm happy to do it tomorrow morning
[16:12] <seb128> pitti, no hurry, thanks
[16:18] <pitti> seb128: yay syncs
[16:18] <pitti> seb128: so 3.2 is landing in unstable now?
[16:18] <seb128> ;-)
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, some bits are, but I'm also syncing stuff from experimental
[16:21] <pitti> seb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable?
[16:21] <pitti> bigon: ^
[16:21] <pitti> I think we can update some packages in Debian then and sync, to bring us closer together again
[16:22] <seb128> pitti, I guess so
[16:22]  * pitti didn't really do package updates this week, sorry
[16:23] <seb128> yeah, me neither, we should get going with merges though, I plan to spend next week on that
[16:23] <seb128> (this week is almost over, at least for me, I will take friday off, still quite some holidays days to use)
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, btw #debian-gnome is discussing pygobject and if they can move the experimental version to unstable
[16:25] <seb128> you might want to join
[16:25] <pitti> I do
[16:27] <seb128> kenvandine, rodrigo_, didrocks: help on GNOME merges would be welcome if you have some time in the next weeks
[16:28] <didrocks> seb128: I see little hope from my side having time though
[16:28] <seb128> mterry: ^ do you plan to do a few (the ones with your name on merges.ubuntu.com at least), or do the stable team exempt you of that as as well? ;-)
[16:28] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[16:30] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[16:31] <seb128> thanks
[16:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, which merges?
[16:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, from debian you mean?
[16:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes, https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[16:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, will work on those on idle times
[16:34] <seb128> thanks
[16:34] <seb128> well basically version should be all green
[16:34] <seb128> or at least get no yellow ;-)
[16:35] <seb128> now is a good time to review our diff, send patches to upstream and debian, and rebase on debian
[16:35] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:37]  * pitti puts a cherry on top of bug 869970 and waves to seb128
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 869970 in apport "it would be nice to update the function name in the title after retracing" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869970
[16:38] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[16:38] <pitti> the launchpad backend test suite is working again
[16:55] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:56] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:56] <seb128> oh btw guys I updated version to point to GNOME 3.2 by default
[16:56] <seb128> since that's we default to track for precise
[16:57] <pitti> ah, thanks
[17:37] <bigon> 17:21 < pitti> seb128: so if the dependencies are available in unstable, it's ok to upload to unstable? << I guess it's safer to ask to #debian-gnome
[17:40] <mterry2> seb128: do they build?  :)  but seriously, i could grab some merges
[17:41] <seb128> oh, a second mterry!
[17:41] <hallyn> uh, where do i find the option to emulate middle mouse click?
[17:41] <seb128> mterry2: if you have feel slots that would be welcome but don't feel like you have to
[17:42] <mterry2> seb128: internet's been odd for me today.  this is phone-mike, nice to meet you!
[17:42] <seb128> mterry2;: nice to meet you ;-)
[17:49] <didrocks> ok, time to have some rest, see you guys!
[17:53] <desrt_> is robert on vacation?
[17:53] <seb128> desrt_, robert_ancell? I don't think so
[17:53] <desrt_> or is european time even worse for syncing up with australia than american?
[17:53] <seb128> desrt_, european time is worse, he's around from 11pm to 8am usually
[17:54] <desrt> lol.
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> hah, all the mozilla homepages have a link to http://www.mozilla.org/sopa now
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> eh, www.mozilla.org
[17:56] <hallyn> all right, we need for 'all settings' in the settings manager to also point to gpointing-device-settings, imo
[17:57] <seb128> hallyn, gpointing-device-settings?
[18:03] <hallyn> seb128: that appeared to be the only way to turn on middle mouse click emulation
[18:03] <hallyn> the normal mouse settings program was no help
[18:03] <seb128> hallyn, is that an utility you installed?
[18:03] <hallyn> no
[18:04] <hallyn> uh, myabe
[18:04] <seb128> seems so
[18:04] <hallyn> maybe it got installed in place of gsynaptic
[18:05] <hallyn> it doesn't seem acceptable to not have 'emulate middle mouse click' in the default 'mouse settings' program, though.
[18:06] <seb128> hallyn, why not?
[18:08] <hallyn> because, when my wife sits down to use xfig and can't terminate a line because there is no middle click, and there's no obvious way to turn it on, that doesn' tlook good
[18:09] <seb128> hallyn, is there any reason why that option should not just be on by default?
[18:11] <hallyn> seb128: no
[18:11] <hallyn> i would think it should be
[18:12] <hallyn> where would that be done, though, now that there is no xorg.conf
[18:13] <seb128> hallyn, it's funny, I can't find a request about that feature in my bugs box, I guess mouses without a middle button are almost non existant nowadays
[18:13] <hallyn> seb128: also, 2 out of 3 laptops in front of me (with 2 mouse buttons) have middle click working by default
[18:13] <hallyn> so i don't know why it wasn't on on the vaio f11 by default.  But it wasn't.
[18:14] <seb128> well, you have installed non standard stuff it seems
[18:14] <seb128> like gsynaptic
[18:14] <seb128> so maybe one of those broke it?
[18:14] <hallyn> no!  i jsut now installed that to frantically try to fix it
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, what happened to my monospace fonts in precise? :/
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> they're ugly again!
[18:14] <hallyn> it was just a unity-on-oneiric laptop
[18:15] <seb128> hallyn, ok, dunno then, apparently it's supposed to be working out of the box
[18:15] <hallyn> oh well, now that i know where to find it (for now), if noone else cares, then i guess that's fine
[18:16] <hallyn> thx
[19:34] <cyphermox> oh boy, stupid duplicate bug tags :/
[19:35] <cyphermox> evolution upload, but something went wrong with my script to match bugs fixed upstream
[22:40] <worpole> Hi! I was wondering if you could perhaps help with a problem I am having. I recently upgraded to the latest version "Oneric Ocelot" and after a few weeks I am having internet connectivity problems. My connection speed is now VERY VERY slow! I have tried troubleshooting the problem by disabling the WIFI connection and using an ethernet connection instead but speed is no better. Other computers in the house are acheive spee
[22:40] <worpole> ds of around 5 meg but my laptop with ubuntu is getting around 0.1. And this speed is the same regardless of whether I use an wireless connection or an ethernet cable. Any ideas what the problem might be?
[22:41] <worpole> oops the first bit was supposed to read "i recently upgraded to the latest version, Oneric Occleot"
[22:42] <TheMuso> worpole: Please go to #ubuntu for support, this is a development channel.
[22:42] <RAOF> Better to ask in #ubuntu; this isn't a support channel.  Also, no idea.
[22:42] <worpole> ok cool, what would be a good support channel to try?
[22:44] <TheMuso> worpole: As above, the #ubuntu channel is your best bet.