[11:25] <tdr112> morning all
[11:25] <slashtommy> morning
[11:25] <tdr112> i am trying to find out why one of my server stopped working last night
[11:25] <tdr112> where would be the best place to start
[11:25] <tdr112> var/log
[11:26] <slashtommy> syslog?
[11:26] <slashtommy> messages?
[11:26] <slashtommy> the entire server died or just a daemon?
[11:27] <tdr112> it stopped talking to me , no ssh , http any thing
[11:28] <tdr112> dont think any thing wrong in syslog or messages
[11:29] <slashtommy> have you console access?
[11:29] <tdr112> i rebooted it so its all back up now
[11:30] <slashtommy> oh
[11:30] <tdr112> turned it off and on
[11:30] <slashtommy> would have been interesting to go in on the console
[11:30] <slashtommy> physical server or VM
[11:32] <tdr112> physical server
[11:37] <slashtommy> tis always handy to have a tty available
[11:38] <ebel> if you have some graphs or monitoring you might be able to find out
[11:38] <ebel> sometimes  'stopped working' could just mean 'went really really slow'
[11:38] <ebel> i.e. a high load, e.g. 100, would make a server essentially unresponsive.
[11:39] <ebel> if you had graphs of load you might see the load grow over time before it went dark
[11:39] <tdr112> i dont have graphs on the load
[11:41] <slashtommy> tdr112: time to argue the case for nagios3 monitoring and munin logging
[11:44] <ebel> or accept that the gods frowned on you
[11:44] <ebel> Tis amazing how much of professional downtime is just left at "i dunno"
[11:45] <tdr112> i will have to come up with something i have to fill out a report
[11:48] <slashtommy> be honest, "server requires monitoring"
[11:51] <slashtommy> if you do not highlight the deficiencies, no resources will ever be allocated to change
[11:55] <ebel> "I cannot answer the question with what we have now."
[11:56] <ebel> You know about "technical debt"? It's a debt you owe to future you when you take shortcuts. It'll usually come back and make you pay later.
[11:59] <ebel> Or y'know browse the jargon file and come up with someting :)
[16:12] <tdr112> how do you add a user to the sudoers list
[16:17] <ebel> you add them to a group
[16:17] <ebel> i think it's the admin group
[16:20] <tdr112> i think i will just add them to /etc/sudoers
[16:31] <ebel> you can see in '/etc/sudoers' what groups are allowed, e.g. admin
[16:31] <ebel> or sudo
[16:32] <ebel> tdr112: if you edit /etc/sudoers, be sure to use visudo or something
[16:32] <ebel> Otherwise you can really mess things up
[16:32] <ebel> because if there is a syntax error in /etc/sudoers, then you can't sudo, and you need to be root to edit that file and fix the mistake
[16:32] <ebel> I got stuck with that once.
[16:33] <ebel> remember if you change the group someone is in, they may need to log out/log in again for it to have affect
[17:14] <tdr112> i think the group is the better way to do it
[17:15] <tdr112> adduser -g username admin
[17:16] <ebel> or "usermod -a -G admin $USERNAME"
[20:37] <slashtommy> we were both late home, so only just getting chance to sit down to dinner in a few mins
[20:37] <slashtommy> we may be in for the meeting just a few minutes late
[20:52] <locodir-user> test
[20:56] <Bpb101> test
[20:57] <airurando> good evening all
[20:58] <Bpb101> hi
[20:59] <imgarysmith> hello Bpb101
[21:00] <airurando> hi Bpb101 and imgarysmith
[21:01] <imgarysmith> hi mike, how's life?
[21:01] <airurando> not too bad now and yourself?
[21:01] <imgarysmith> ah grand, surviving
[21:02] <ebel> hello
[21:02] <airurando> hi ebel
[21:03] <slashtommy> evening
[21:03] <infoturtle> hi all
[21:03] <airurando> hi infoturtle and slashtommy
[21:03] <imgarysmith> hey andru
[21:03] <infoturtle> hey airurando imgarysmith and again all, are we all well??
[21:03] <ebel> right shall we start the irc meeting?
[21:03] <slashtommy> yes, lets
[21:04] <ebel> or we could wait a few mins to let others turn up
[21:04] <airurando> start and let others join in I reckon.
[21:04] <infoturtle> I'm good to go when ever
[21:04] <ebel> alright, shall I chair?
[21:05] <airurando> infoturtle very well
[21:05] <airurando> ebel please do
[21:05] <ebel> #startmeeting
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[21:05] <ebel> welcome to the nov. 2011 orc meeting
[21:05] <ebel> here's the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-11-16
[21:05] <ebel> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-11-16
[21:05] <infoturtle> A meeting for Orcs?
[21:06] <ebel> PLease say PRESENT if you're here
[21:06] <ebel> PRESENT
[21:06] <slashtommy> PRESENT
[21:06] <imgarysmith> present
[21:06] <infoturtle> PRESENT
[21:06] <Bpb101> Present and new
[21:06] <infoturtle> hello Bpb101 and welcome
[21:06] <airurando> PRESENT
[21:06] <ebel> Bpb101: welcomer
[21:07]  * ebel is not having luck with hitting the right keys today :P
[21:07] <ebel> #topic Review of previous action items
[21:07] <ebel> [topic] Review of previous action items
[21:07]  * ebel is unsure if he's using meetingology correctly, aren't you supposed to get a PM when you do a command?
[21:07] <ebel> anyways, anyone wanna say anything on this topic?
[21:08] <infoturtle> what were the previous actions?
[21:08] <airurando> last one I think related to ebel mailing the list re CDs
[21:08] <airurando> no other actions I believe
[21:08] <ebel> yep, cds are next topic.
[21:09] <airurando> yip move on
[21:09] <ebel> #topic Report on Oneric CD Distribution
[21:09] <ebel> as you know we got ~250 cds from canonical of offical professionally manufactured cds of 11.10
[21:10] <ebel> for distrubution around ireland
[21:10] <infoturtle> Have many claimed them yet?
[21:11] <ebel> I've emailed the mailing list and gotten some replies for worthy causes
[21:11]  * slashtommy suggests an Ubuntu Hour next weekend to distribute them
[21:11] <ebel> I have given ~ 10ish to benchapman/thejetset for codedojo
[21:11] <ebel> and similar left some at TOG, the dublin hackersapce
[21:11] <imgarysmith> ebel I emailed you a few mins ago about it
[21:11] <ebel> I'll need to email people who replied already and ask them to send me a SAE so I can send them
[21:12] <ebel> (If you're outside dublin)
[21:12] <infoturtle> Can do
[21:12] <ebel> inside dublin, i presume a physical meetup would be easiest for all around
[21:12] <infoturtle> There's a few places I wish to drop them off to
[21:12] <ebel> So if you think you could use some cds, email me: rory@technomancy and tell me what you'd do with them
[21:12] <ebel> uptake has been less than last time alas
[21:13] <airurando> ebel, infoturtle I should be able to drop some to Limerick early December
[21:13] <ebel> some good news: the folks in limerick co.co. are still using ubuntu, so I'll send some down there
[21:13] <infoturtle> is that technomancy.ie or .com?
[21:13] <ebel> infoturtle: .org
[21:13] <infoturtle> cheers
[21:13] <ebel> (or yeah, forgot to include a TLD :P )
[21:13] <ebel> so email me: rory@technomancy.org
[21:14] <ebel> Any questions? comments? feedback?
[21:14] <infoturtle> how much postage should I cover?
[21:15] <infoturtle> sorry, just saw airurando, that would be great if you could
[21:15] <ebel> I'm not sure. I posted them last time in a postoffice and your one weighed them and said diue to size that it was a 'small parcel'
[21:15] <ebel> think it was €1.50 maybe....
[21:15] <ebel> or €2
[21:15] <infoturtle> ah grand
[21:15] <ebel> deffo sub €5
[21:16] <ebel> (shame there's no easy way to get refund on unused stamps...)
[21:16] <ebel> anything else?
[21:16] <ebel> #action ebel to reply to people already contacted wrt to cds
[21:16] <meetingology> ACTION: ebel to reply to people already contacted wrt to cds
[21:17] <ebel> Once I've distributed some CDs, we'll see how many are left, maybe another ask the list situtation
[21:17] <ebel> #topic Wiki vs LoCo Team Portal from airurando
[21:17] <ebel> airurando: care to take it away?
[21:17] <airurando> thanks ebel
[21:18] <airurando> Can we drop recording event and meeting details on the Wiki? We have been dual recording these details on the Wiki and in the LoCo Team Portal (formerly the LoCo Dir) for several months now.
[21:18] <slashtommy> aye, i highlighted this problem over a year ago
[21:19] <airurando> aye slashtommy
[21:19] <slashtommy> have one place for events, and everything else points to the one source
[21:19] <infoturtle> seems like a good idea, no need for more than one copy
[21:19] <slashtommy> exactly, same goes for facebook and google+
[21:19] <airurando> but I was happy to run then in parallel until we were sure the LoCo Team Portal was for us.
[21:20] <airurando> *them
[21:20]  * ebel is relatively disinterested in the outcome, and sees no massive difference between the two
[21:20] <infoturtle> agrees
[21:21] <slashtommy> grand, it's decided then
[21:21] <ebel> ok
[21:21] <airurando> cool wiki dropped
[21:21] <ebel> #agreed IrishTeam wiki page to be deleted
[21:21] <ebel> right?
[21:21] <ebel> or:
[21:21] <ebel> #agreed IrishTeam wiki page to be abandoned
[21:21] <slashtommy> point it to the loco
[21:21] <ebel> kewl
[21:22] <ebel> next:
[21:22] <ebel> #topic Adding admins to facebook page or and RSS updater
[21:22] <ebel> from infoturtle
[21:22] <infoturtle> Ya, time is no longer my friend and maybe if we had more admins to post events and such on facebook then user there would get more from it
[21:23] <infoturtle> I can be quite forgetful too and just forget to add things
[21:23] <slashtommy> infoturtle: see above
[21:23] <infoturtle> at the moment I'm the only one who can use facebook as the Ubuntu-ie page
[21:23] <slashtommy> have one place for events, and everything else points to the one source
[21:24]  * ebel has no problem being a facebook admin, but cannot really commit to doing much actually with it
[21:24] <infoturtle> indeed, I'm saying my problems is not being able to update the page, unless I do it via auto RSS
[21:24] <airurando> slashtommy you know there are people who use facebook but not the loco
[21:24] <ebel> wonder if you can pull stuff in from L.D.
[21:24] <infoturtle> via rss you can
[21:24] <infoturtle> I have an account for one of those auto feed I could just like if that's cool with everybody
[21:25] <airurando> infoturtle I'd be happy to be an admin also
[21:25] <infoturtle> *link instead of like
[21:25] <infoturtle> soory
[21:25] <infoturtle> airurando fantastic
[21:25] <ebel> rss sounds like it might solve a lot of problems?
[21:25] <slashtommy> airurando: i suggest linking to the LD
[21:25] <slashtommy> from the facebook page
[21:25] <airurando> can we do that?
[21:26] <airurando> if so who will do that?
[21:26] <infoturtle> I wouldn't know how to link to the LD
[21:26]  * ebel hopes there's just an RSS feed somewhere
[21:27] <airurando> identica can post to twitter and twitter then to normal facebook accounts (not sure about group pages)
[21:28]  * ebel is unsure
[21:28] <infoturtle> airurando, could be perfect if it did
[21:28] <airurando> I suppose the topic was simply to add more admins
[21:29] <infoturtle> will I check that out and if not link an RSS to it and make airurando admin anyway?
[21:29] <airurando> are we drifting
[21:29] <ebel> well perhaps, but would sorting out auto rss remove the need for more admins?
[21:30] <airurando> can we do that in the context of this meeting?
[21:30] <ebel> infoturtle: your call, you're admining it now.
[21:30] <infoturtle> handy to have more anyway so it's not just me as admin. Just in case anything needs to be added or changed
[21:30] <ebel> wanna make it easy for you, just put me, and I presume, airurando down as admins
[21:30] <infoturtle> cool, will do then
[21:31] <ebel> wanna do a long term solution, then figure oiut some rss?
[21:31] <infoturtle> perfect
[21:31] <ebel> kewl
[21:31] <ebel> #topic A google + page? from infoturtle again
[21:32] <infoturtle> ya, now that g+ allows pages I see an awful lot of locos starting pages
[21:32] <infoturtle> do we want one or is what we have enough?
[21:32] <ebel> you wanna set one up?
[21:33] <airurando> I think we shoud generate one and park it until we sort it all out.
[21:33] <airurando> whatever the major social platforms are we should have a presence.
[21:33] <infoturtle> I can do ya, but g+ doesn't support multi admins yet
[21:33] <imgarysmith> It can't be any harm having one, spread the Ubuntu love
[21:33] <infoturtle> so if I do it it'll just be me till they allow it
[21:34] <slashtommy> infoturtle: if you want to set one up, go for it
[21:34]  * ebel would have no problem with that personally
[21:34] <airurando> fine by me
[21:34] <infoturtle> cool, I'll part it for now and see how it takes
[21:34] <ebel> kewl
[21:34] <infoturtle> *park
[21:34] <ebel> #topic AOB?
[21:34] <infoturtle> god dam typing skills
[21:35] <slashtommy> ubuntu hour?
[21:36] <airurando> 02 Dec 11?
[21:36] <airurando> czajkowski is home I think?
[21:36] <slashtommy> laura is here!
[21:36] <ebel> yes
[21:36] <ebel> #topic Ubuntu Hour
[21:37] <slashtommy> good plan, i will consult czajkowski arrange a date/location and tell everyone
[21:37] <ebel> kewl
[21:37] <airurando> cool
[21:37] <airurando> I've 2 more things
[21:37] <airurando> team reports
[21:38] <airurando> and
[21:38] <airurando> meeting structure and schedule
[21:39] <airurando> ebel can you #topic the first
[21:39] <ebel> #topic team reports
[21:39] <airurando> we haven't published a team report since August
[21:40] <airurando> tdr112 is our lead on this but he is very busy.
[21:40] <airurando> I've been chatting to hime and I had hoped he would be here.
[21:40] <ebel> oh yes, tdr112's been working lots
[21:40] <airurando> during our chats he stated he would look for new blood to help with the team reports.
[21:41] <airurando> was gonna ask here.
[21:41] <airurando> The Reports were a great help for our reapproval application during the Summer.
[21:41] <airurando> To drift away from them is not good.
[21:42] <airurando> any volunteers?
[21:43] <infoturtle> I'm quite tied as it is but if no one else does I can try
[21:43] <ebel> yeah
[21:43] <infoturtle> it would be a shame to see that part just fall off
[21:43]  * ebel probably won't have time...
[21:43] <airurando> I've helped a bit in the past but I was hopeing someone else could chip in
[21:45] <infoturtle> will we put it to the mailing list?
[21:45] <ebel> probably best
[21:45] <infoturtle> in case someone not present would like to try it
[21:45] <airurando> I'd like tdr112 to lead this
[21:45] <airurando> ansd that is prob a goo idea infoturtle
[21:46] <airurando> move on
[21:46] <ebel> yeah
[21:46] <airurando> meeting structure/schedule
[21:46] <ebel> #topic meeting structure/schedule
[21:47] <airurando> do we need to introduce more flexibility into our scheduling?
[21:47] <airurando> I championed the 3rd Weds idea but is it working?
[21:48] <infoturtle> Well all here may say it suits, we need that people that can't make it to comment on this
[21:48] <ebel> TBH something that annoyed me with the meeting was the length (usually 1½ hrs), rather than day time
[21:48] <infoturtle> perhaps?
[21:48]  * ebel has no objection to weds or other nights
[21:48] <airurando> Are folks happy toI hear you ebel
[21:48]  * ebel slightly prefers the 9pm, gives time for dinner etc.
[21:48] <imgarysmith> 9pm suits me better too
[21:49] <airurando> me three
[21:49] <infoturtle> I good with it
[21:49] <airurando> infoturtle it was mentioned on the mailing list and the response was nil
[21:49] <infoturtle> fair nuff
[21:49] <infoturtle> can't do more for them so
[21:49] <airurando> ok stick with 3rd Weds and 9pm
[21:50] <ebel> yeah
[21:50] <infoturtle> agreed
[21:50] <ebel> no objections, so stick with it. :)
[21:50] <airurando> all done here
[21:50] <ebel> #agreed keep irc mweewtin same
[21:50] <ebel> #topic AOB?
[21:50] <airurando> not here
[21:50] <infoturtle> not from me anyway
[21:51] <ebel> #endmeeting
[21:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 21:51:04 2011 UTC.
[21:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2011/ubuntu-ie.2011-11-16-21.05.moin.txt
[21:51] <infoturtle> just a link to the G+ page if anyone wants it
[21:51] <infoturtle> https://plus.google.com/u/1/108400071192236560065/posts
[21:51] <airurando> under an hour
[21:51] <airurando> nice
[21:51] <infoturtle> now for more tea and samages
[21:51] <airurando> thanks ebel
[21:52] <imgarysmith> now for the Google Music event
[21:52] <infoturtle> imgarysmith there's a google music event?
[21:53] <imgarysmith> yup, youtube.com/androiddevelopers
[21:53] <imgarysmith> starts at 10, announcing new stuff
[21:53] <infoturtle> aw :c
[21:53] <infoturtle> can't watch it tonight
[21:53] <imgarysmith> wrong url, youtube.com/android
[21:54] <imgarysmith> infoturtle, they post the stream as a video at the same url after the show
[21:55] <infoturtle> cool, I'll check it out after poker so
[21:55] <infoturtle> for now, take care everybody