[00:27] <pangolin> pleia2: zkriesse had his cloak changed a few minutes ago
[00:29] <pleia2> there is still the question of ubuntu membership if he's going to behave poorly
[00:29] <pangolin> indeed
[00:41] <elky> pangolin, for added fun, he's also a lubuntu op, which means he's also being watched for suitability for being allowed to remain an op for there when the lubuntu channels become part of the core namespace. At this rate, I votes no.
[00:42] <LjL> assume his trolling has actually been ascertained?
[00:43] <elky> AFAIK this isn't the first time he's indicated unsuitability.
[00:43] <LjL> pleia2: even without an ubuntu cloak? i mean, you don't know i behave on irc.ljl.net's #trolls, why is it important how someone behaves when they're not representing Ubuntu?
[00:44] <pleia2> LjL: we had a whole session about this at UDS, the CC reviews cases like this one at a time based on how much they're representing Ubuntu in a community they're being disruptive in
[00:45] <pleia2> in this case a lubuntu op and ubuntu member causing problems in another official linux channel on freenode reflects poorly upon ubuntu, regardless of whether he's using a cloak or not
[00:46] <pleia2> I don't have details though, I have just asked him for his side of the story so far
[00:46] <pleia2> (it could still just be a misunderstanding, so I asked if he could explain what's going on)
[00:51] <LjL> that policy seems to me a bit like appointing oneself the police in another country than yours, but ok...
[00:52] <pleia2> you could argue the same *with* an ubuntu cloak too, I'm not saying the CC would take action but depending on the situation it may be worth a review
[00:53] <LjL> i think it's different with an ubuntu cloak, because there's a label that says "i'm affiliated with Ubuntu"
[00:53] <Flannel> LjL: I will (and have) ban people from -offtopic because they have trolled other channels and refuse to stop.  (this only ever seems to come up in -ot, thankfully, I don't want to have to be put in that situation in #u)
[00:53] <LjL> but without, you're acting as your own internet entity
[00:53] <LjL> Flannel: uh, in non-ubuntu channels?
[00:54] <Flannel> LjL: yes.  If someone is trolling, lets pick an example, say, ##windows, I will ban them (after going through talking with them, etc, etc) from -ot.
[00:54] <pleia2> LjL: it's really a matter of how far you want to take it, it's easy to see someone is affiliated with Ubuntu with a cloak, but it's also not terribly hard to see they're involved with a simple google search
[00:54] <LjL> ... thanks for letting me know, i think i'll bring that up at the next ircc meeting :|
[00:55] <LjL> pleia2: yeah called stalking
[00:55] <LjL> think i'll go to bed
[00:55] <Flannel> LjL: I don't sit in ##windows waiting for someone to troll, obviously.  But if it comes up in -ot, or if someone says something and it becomes an issue.
[00:55] <LjL> before i go and request a decloak *again* without thinking
[00:55] <pleia2> this is pretty much how that UDS session went btw ;)
[00:55] <Flannel> LjL: It's against the CoC.  The code of conduct doesn't say "While at Ubuntu functions..."
[00:56] <LjL> Flannel: let's get this straight, after there was LOADS of discussion whether namespace-wide bans or bans in ubuntu channels for stuff done in other ubuntu channels were reasonable
[00:56] <LjL> you come up and say you'll ban someone who misbehaved in ##windows?
[00:59] <Flannel> LjL: Again, I don't go off doing impromptu investigations of folks in -ot, but yes. I don't think there's many parallels to be drawn between the two.
[01:55] <pangolin> I think it's important to remember that the problem was brought up while they still wore the ubuntu cloak.
[02:12] <m4v> did #fedora ops really complain about zkriesse? I have been idling in #fedora for like a month, I see some off hand comments by him but nothing like trolling on my logs.
[08:02] <topyli> m4v: i've only been there of a couple of days, but i certainly haven't seen anything like that.
[08:05] <topyli> Flannel: there is policy about organizing and/or encouraging harrassment of any group of people, and we take this 'harassment' to include encouraging trolling in other channels, like "let's go troll ##windows". but i don't think that's what he's been up to
[08:05] <topyli> zkri
[08:05] <topyli> oops
[08:06] <Flannel> topyli: I wasn't speaking to this particular instance in the slightest, by the way.
[08:08] <topyli> right, you weren't. my brain is just powering up. but we don't have policy that says trolling in ##windows is cause for getting banned in ubuntu channels, unless they advertise it in ubuntu channels
[17:03] <truepurple>  what is this channel for?
[17:06] <popey> resolution of issues in non-core Ubuntu irc channels
[17:06] <popey> such as loco channels
[17:06] <popey> but not core channels like #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic and so on