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* slangasek waves16:01
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slangasek#startmeeting16:03
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Nov 16 16:03:01 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:03
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slangasek[TOPIC] Lightning round16:03
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slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt ev bdmurray slangasek)16:03
slangasekev cjwatson barry slangasek doko jhunt stgraber bdmurray16:03
eveep16:03
evcan we circle back?16:03
evstill frantically typing16:03
slangasekk16:03
slangasekcjwatson:16:03
cjwatsonSwitched over to the new cdimage master machine.  The part of image builds that it does seems about two or three times as fast as before.16:04
cjwatsonDrafted other-p-plusonemaint-priorities.16:04
cjwatsonMore poking at exposing a decent Germinate API for Launchpad to use.  I'm making progress but only slowly.16:04
cjwatsonFinished OCaml transition.  Mostly finished Haskell transition.  Much of the way through http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/perl5.14.html.  Other odds and ends of that kind.  700 uploads this week!16:04
cjwatsonCaught up on some merges.16:04
cjwatsonNibbled around the edges of multiarch cross-building a bit more.  I've started trying to attack the odd cross-architecture gzip mismatch bug ...16:04
cjwatson..16:04
barrypython-dbus porting to python 3.  many interesting decisions along the way: <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~barry/python-dbus/py3/view/head:/PY3PORT.rst>.  status: compiles, test suite runs without crashing (yay!), but does not fully pass.  todo: make the test suite pass <wink>.  once that's done, test with real-world application, upload to ppa, email to mlist, blog.  done.16:05
slangasekfollowed through on some multiarching of libraries that was uploaded to Debian16:08
slangasekreviewing blueprints16:08
slangasekreviewing resumes for open positions16:08
slangasekdone16:08
slangasekdoko_: you're up16:09
slangasekjhunt_: why don't you go ahead16:11
jhunt_Blueprint work. Some significant Upstart Cookbook updates:16:11
jhunt_http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#how-to-establish-fork-count,16:11
jhunt_http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#implications-of-misspecifying-expect,16:11
jhunt_http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#recovery-on-misspecification-of-expect.16:11
jhunt_fix for bug 771372. Review of code for setuid/setgid stanzas in Upstart.16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 771372 in procps (Ubuntu Precise) "procps runs too early in the boot process" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77137216:11
jhunt_Discussions with Patrick in QA re automated Upstart testing. Upstart job16:11
jhunt_logging rework still ongoing. Coding nominally complete - currently16:11
jhunt_debugging a failing test and working on documenting how to logically16:11
jhunt_establish the "optimal" start on condition for an Upstart job (to be16:11
jhunt_used for16:11
jhunt_https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-upstart-convert-main-initd-to-jobs).16:11
jhunt_Patch for bug 829980 seems to be working for users, so will upstream and16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 829980 in upstart (Ubuntu) "upstart-udev-bridge eats 100% cpu calling dbus_message_iter_append_basic()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82998016:11
jhunt_re-merge into official package this week (oneiric and precise).16:11
jhunt_16:11
stgraber- Testing tracker16:12
stgraber - http://91.189.93.73 is usually up to date with what's in the branch16:12
stgraber - Front page (list of builds) is done16:12
stgraber - Spent half a day working on SQL optimization, got the worst page load in less than a second now (instead of 5)16:12
stgraber - Initial work on the testcase view, should be done today16:12
stgraber - Some work on the user/admin ACLs16:12
stgraber- Finished drafting all my blueprints16:12
stgraber- Worked on bug 823366, got a test setup and have a patch to make ifenslave work with our event driven boot (tested on 802.3ad only)16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 823366 in ifenslave-2.6 (Ubuntu) "bond_primary is ignored in /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82336616:12
stgraber- Some bugfixes in Arkose, still need to run the tests and then push the new version in Precise and SRU some of the fixes to Oneiric16:12
stgraber- Got upstart:i386 to install on an amd64 system with a patched apt (ppa:stgraber/experimental has the needed packages)16:12
stgraber- Some LXC upstream and packaging work with Serge, all of that should be uploaded to Precise soonish16:12
stgraber- TODO16:12
stgraber - Try to get the new ISO tracker feature-equivalent to the old one by the end of the week16:12
stgraber - Look at the new ifupdown in Debian (beta2), isolate the fix for bug 876829 and SRU to Oneiric16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 876829 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Precise) "Oneiric's ifupdown breaks ip aliases" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87682916:12
stgraber - Still need to get my iSCSI test setup online again and then look at the merge16:12
stgraber(done)16:13
bdmurrayI was out on the 10th and 11th16:13
bdmurraytested and committed script to help manage rls-p-tracking bug tasks16:13
bdmurraysetup up precise bug fixing report16:13
bdmurraywrote mailing list parser to determine where no package bug reports end up going and running a report for 201116:13
bdmurrayreview of cproffit's bug workflow diagram for loco team members (bug reporters)16:13
bdmurraymodification to bug bot commenting on no package bug reports routine16:13
bdmurrayset up new canonistack image for the ultimate debian database16:13
bdmurrayubiquity bug triage (hardware errors and lack of free space)16:13
bdmurray.. done ..16:13
slangasekev?16:14
ev - Got a local retracer set up after merging in pitti's fixes.16:14
ev - Researched RabbitMQ for coordinating retracing crash reports.16:14
ev - Long call with Robert Collins on the crash database work.16:14
ev   - Robert is happy to help and provide guidance.16:14
ev   - Plan is to use oops-repository (Cassandra) as the database layer and API16:14
ev     for posting (with reply for more detail required), posting core dumps,16:14
ev     getting the full data out (privileged), and update an existing crash16:14
ev     (partially privileged).16:14
ev   - Also agreed to use the oops-repository dictionary format for crashes.16:14
ev   - This will make integrating with Launchpad's longer term plans of this as16:14
ev     a service for all projects an easier challenge. This may be implemented16:14
ev     as one big Cassandra cluster in a multi-tenant fashion, or on a16:14
ev     per-project basis, feeding to an API.16:14
ev   - Need to get something just sending crash signatures (or a likeness)16:14
ev     sharpish to test the scalability.16:14
ev   - Will use RabbitMQ for work queues, while still posting to a Cassandra16:14
ev     ColumnFamily to have a back up queue in case Rabbit falls over.16:14
ev   - Agreed to look at the existing long list of hardware databases created by16:14
ev     Canonical rather than creating yet another one.16:14
ev   - Came up with some plans for fractional deployment for the client.16:15
ev   - And lots, lots more :)16:15
ev - Started looking into txstatsd and Graphite, per Robert's advice to measure16:15
ev   everything :)16:15
ev - Proposed a branch to disable removing core files in the Launchpad retracer,16:15
ev   so that we have some profiling data to work with.  Need to follow up to16:15
ev   Martin's comments.16:15
ev - Ported the crash reporter to C. \o/ Still need to wire up to16:15
ev   NetworkManager.16:15
ev - Wrote a C parser for the Apport (/RFC822) report format.16:15
ev - Call with David Pitkin about his plans for improving the 3rd party16:15
ev   application development platform.16:15
ev - Helped Matthew understand what packages are responsible for writing to the16:15
ev   screen during the boot and shutdown process in support of his work item for16:15
ev   session consistency (bug 882296).16:15
ev - Background research into moving from JSON to BSON. Some serious wins to be16:15
ev   had.16:15
ev - Moved from JSON to BSON using MongoDB's C BSON library for transmitting16:15
ev   crash data to the server.16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 882296 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "No complete specification for how Ubuntu sessions are supposed to work" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88229616:15
ev - Chat with Rick about helping the DX team get over the testing hump.16:15
ev(done, I think)16:15
slangasekBSON, eh?16:16
slangasekhow is that different from JSON?16:16
evit's binary16:16
evtherefore it's better16:16
slangasekah16:16
* slangasek grins16:17
slangasekdoko_: around at all?16:17
ev(http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/BSON)16:17
barryev: did you see jam's performance analysis on canonical-tech?16:17
evof BSON? I believe that's the thread I read on there about it16:18
evthe one where Robert unpacked the worked involved to send JSON vs BSON over the wire16:18
barryev: i really only skimmed the message ;)16:19
evbarry: :) I was thinking of a different thread, but I've seen this one too :)16:21
evI don't think it's possible to do anything but skim that thread. It put me in a coma at UDS.16:22
barry:-D16:23
slangasek[TOPIC] Bugz16:23
slangasekbdmurray: what's new and buggy?16:23
* slangasek hmms and prods the bot (or his connection)16:23
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bdmurraymterry brought up bug 459730 this week which cjwatson commented on at one point in time16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 459730 in rsyslog (Ubuntu) "rsyslog doesn't create /dev/xconsole " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45973016:24
* slangasek tentatively taps his connection16:24
cjwatsonIf mterry brought it up, he can reply to my review comment :-)16:25
slangasektechnically it's not a device at all but a pipe... does it belong somewhere other than /dev?16:26
slangasekI don't think this is a high priority bug though16:27
cjwatsonquite possibly; if it were somewhere other than /dev then we wouldn't have to have the debate about whether it belonged in udev.  /run would work now, perhaps16:27
cjwatson(noted that in the bug)16:28
slangaseknot sure how many other packages regard xconsole as a "standard" interface, is the only thing that gives me pause16:29
jhunt_slangasek: one day, when we have opengrok... :)16:30
slangasekbdmurray: what else you got in the bug jar? :)16:30
bdmurrayokay then, cjwatson do you have a thought on where the _ in bug 861048 is coming from?16:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 861048 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "have really quick '_' on boot before first purple screen" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86104816:30
evjhunt_: what the RT for the opengrok stuff?16:30
jhunt_ev: jamespage has done some packaging work. We need to assess infrastructure requirements. I'm currently working on some changes to the OpenGrok core to improve indexing.16:31
cjwatsonbdmurray: I haven't had a chance to see if I can reproduce that; grub2 is supposed to turn off the cursor and then IIRC it sets a magic bit in the boot protocol to tell the kernel not to turn it on16:31
evjhunt_: don't forget about the Canonicloud16:32
evyou can always prototype there16:32
jhunt_ev: we're using it :)16:32
evbrilliant16:32
cjwatsonso by design it works; it's possible that grub isn't actually setting that magic bit or that the kernel isn't honouring it, and those are the two likely points of failure16:32
evlet me know if you get something I can set up an ssh tunnel to16:32
cjwatsonI know Matthew Garrett wrote a kernel patch to do that but right now I don't recall whether it landed16:32
slangasekcjwatson: 861048 is before the first purple screen though, so before grub has rendered16:32
cjwatsonoh, *before* grub?16:33
slangasekcjwatson: does that mean it's BIOS output that we can't control?16:33
cjwatsonin that case the BIOS sets it and we can't do anything about it16:33
cjwatsongrub turns it off as pretty much the very first thing it does16:33
slangasekok - thought so, but wanted your professional opinion16:33
cjwatsonsorry, hadn't read the up-to-date comments16:33
cjwatsonI'll double-check in the code16:33
bdmurrayI may have also seen an _ when resuming from hibernate - that would be a bug though correct?16:34
cjwatson(because I might be misremembering)16:34
cjwatsonresuming from hibernate starts out from the BIOS too16:35
cjwatsonhowever it's possible that we aren't turning it off as quickly there; if so that would be a bug16:35
cjwatsonwe may not be able to fix it completely but should do what we can16:35
bdmurrayA video would help I'd imagine?16:35
cjwatsonHmm.  I may be misremembering about grub.  It does turn off the cursor, but not desperately early16:36
cjwatsonIt's possible we can improve things there16:37
cjwatsonI've updated the bug16:37
bdmurrayAdditionally there was a session where we discussed text free boot and I'd tested switching to a tty1 and suspending and resuming.  Should I report a bug about that?16:39
cjwatsonyes, I don't remember the exact behaviour but the behaviour we discovered in that session was a bug :;-)16:39
cjwatson:-)16:39
bdmurrayokay, that answers that then16:40
bdmurraystgraber you'd talked about taking a pass through casper bugs before we went to UDS.  Do you still plan on doing that? there are a few with patches etc...16:41
stgraberbdmurray: yes, I actually have some local changes on casper (getting rid of gconf and converting to gsettings)16:41
bdmurraythat's all I've got then16:42
slangasekcjwatson: related, you have a workitem on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-text-free-boot to "hunt down" a bug about grub not honouring EDID properly... bug 877278 is the right bugnum, I'm not sure if that means that workitem is done or if it just metamorphoses :)16:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 877278 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Boot fails on T61, screen stays blank" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87727816:44
slangasekbdmurray: thanks16:44
cjwatsonlet's metamorphose it into that bug then16:44
slangasekcjwatson: and assign to you?16:44
cjwatsonyep16:44
slangasekdone16:45
slangasek[TOPIC] Blueprints16:45
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slangasekBlueprints!  Drafting due Friday16:45
slangasekfrom what I see we seem to be on track... just be sure to get them wrapped up by then16:46
slangasekand when you're done drafting and ready for review, please be sure to mark as either 'pending approval' or 'review' so we know16:46
slangasekany questions?16:46
evwhat time on friday? :)16:46
slangasekheh16:47
slangasekbefore you leave the office is fine16:47
evcool16:47
slangasekbut I don't want everyone dumping them on me at 5pm pacific :)16:47
bdmurraybefore ev leaves or I leave?16:47
slangasekbdmurray: yes16:47
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB16:48
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slangasekanything else?16:48
slangasekoh, should've said during the lightning round, but just to remind you that I'm out all next week and half of the week after... hence the deadline16:49
cjwatsonoh, I should book holiday before that then16:50
evattending a big data event at Millbank tonight - some Cassandra people there, probably MongoDB folks as well. Let me know if you have questions you want passed along.16:51
evoh and Hadoop16:51
slangasekcool16:52
slangasek#endmeeting16:53
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Nov 16 16:53:05 2011 UTC.16:53
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slangasekthanks guys :)16:53
evthanks!16:53
ogra_ev, ask if they know about calxeda and our involvement with them16:53
evokay16:53
evwill do16:53
ogra_hadoop is the #1 usecase16:53
ogra_for that super armed server :)16:53
barrythanks!16:53
jhunt_thanks16:54
ev:)16:54
stgraberthanks!16:54
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nuclearbob#startmeeting18:05
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Nov 16 18:05:33 2011 UTC.  The chair is nuclearbob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.18:05
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nuclearbob[TOPIC] Previous items18:05
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nuclearbobthe only action item last week was discuss the minimum memory requirements18:06
nuclearbobwe've been discussing that at the sprint this week, but we haven't reached a conclusion18:07
nuclearbobmoving on18:07
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing18:07
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nuclearboblooks like I went too fast, rolling back18:08
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Previous Actions18:08
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nuclearbobwe have a url for the minimum memory requirements provided by the dev team that we'll be testing against18:09
nuclearbobhttps://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/i386/minimum-hardware-reqts.html18:11
gemabasically, we will aim at validating whatever the minimum requirements are18:11
gemaso that we are sure thing work in low memory conditions18:11
gemabut we don't have a date yet as to when we will be able to start such testing18:12
gema..18:12
nuclearboball right18:12
nuclearbobany other previous actions before we move on?18:12
nuclearboball right18:13
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing18:14
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nuclearbobas we're defining the preferred test case format, we'll make sure to get that published so the community can submit test cases, but we don't have the format defined yet18:15
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nuclearbobanybody else?18:19
nuclearbobmoving on18:19
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing18:19
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nuclearbobwe're setting up a new lab this week for automated testing18:20
nuclearbobonce it's running we'll be pushing test results to the public jenkins instance18:20
nuclearbobwe'll have more of that available after it's setup18:22
nuclearbobanything else?18:23
nuclearboball right18:24
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status (hggdh, Ursinha, pedro_, bdmurray)18:24
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nuclearbobany bug status updates this week?18:27
bdmurrayI've nothing special to share today just one recommendation18:27
bdmurrayWith the recent release of 11.10 it'd be helpful if people were to go through and review bugs that've reported and ensure they are still relevant18:28
bdmurrayFor further details see http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=11018:28
nuclearbobsounds good18:29
nuclearbobanything else from anybody?18:29
nuclearboball right18:30
nuclearbob[TOPIC] Other Topics18:31
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gemawe are going to be improving the ubuntu QA wiki soon18:32
gemathere has been a lot of improvements within QA and we are changing the way we do testing so we are going to try to reflect that on the wiki18:32
gemaplease, feel free to add/remove things as you see fit, we are going to try to get rid of obsolete info and put in the relevant information of what we are working on at the moment18:33
gemabasically, all the things we spoke about at UDS need to be reflected there18:33
gemabdmurray: we'll need to talk about how to split the pure bug-centric info from the QA info18:34
gemaso that everything flows nicely18:34
gema..18:34
nuclearboball right18:35
nuclearbobanyone want to chair next week?18:35
gemaI can do18:35
nuclearbobsuper18:35
nuclearbob[ACTION] gema to chair next meeting18:35
meetingologyACTION: gema to chair next meeting18:35
nuclearbobthanks everybody18:36
nuclearbob#endmeeting18:36
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