| ibeardslee | morning | 18:25 |
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| hads | morning | 18:28 |
| sadsun | mornin' | 18:29 |
| hads | The last two mornings evolution has become unkillable after saying something like 'Saving user interface state'. I think I'll have to get around to trying something different. | 18:30 |
| ibeardslee | I use claws mail as well | 18:42 |
| ibeardslee | no calendaring though | 18:42 |
| hads | I tried claws for a while, must give it another go. Don't care about calendar. It seems very difficult to find the perfect mail client. | 18:45 |
| sadsun | thunderbird? | 18:49 |
| hads | Will give it another go, it just doesn't do it for me. Keyboard shortcuts especially. | 18:53 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:26 |
| chilts | morning | 20:10 |
| sadsun | mornin' | 20:11 |
| thumper | morning | 20:17 |
| mwhudson | morning | 20:17 |
| mwhudson | hads: i use notmuch & really like it, but it's probably not for everyone :-) | 20:18 |
| thumper | hads: I moved to thunderbird | 20:25 |
| thumper | hads: it has a nifty gmail conversation view | 20:25 |
| thumper | hads: which is awesome most of the time, but a little slow over imap for massive conversations | 20:25 |
| mwhudson | thumper: like that enormous unity whinge thread? :-) | 20:29 |
| mwhudson | although that's gotten a bit more positive again in the last few days | 20:29 |
| thumper | mwhudson: not really | 20:29 |
| sadsun | unity is meant for touch-screens... | 20:30 |
| ibeardslee | it is interesting that unity has taught me a bit more about not relying on the mouse so much | 20:31 |
| sadsun | its ugly with those ridiculous big buttons, when u use just the mouse | 20:32 |
| sadsun | do u have a touch-screen? | 20:32 |
| ibeardslee | they can be made smaller (harder to do in unity-2d though) | 20:32 |
| ibeardslee | nope | 20:32 |
| sadsun | I use gnome-shell with docky | 20:33 |
| thumper | sadsun: the only truly massive buttons are on the home screen of the dash, and that is changing | 20:35 |
| thumper | sadsun: no I don't have a touch screen | 20:35 |
| thumper | I use unity on my laptop and desktop with synergy to connect | 20:36 |
| sadsun | I see, nice, why is Ubuntu leaving gnome behind? | 20:36 |
| thumper | sadsun: ubuntu has plans beyond what gnome currently has | 20:39 |
| thumper | sadsun: I'm sure you've heard the announcements about tablets, tvs and phones | 20:40 |
| sadsun | aye, I did | 20:40 |
| thumper | there are designs for a (mostly) consistent UI across all form factors | 20:40 |
| thumper | they do look very nice | 20:40 |
| thumper | and unfortunatley company confidential right now | 20:40 |
| thumper | controlling our own desktop shell gives us the flexibility to evolve and change | 20:41 |
| sadsun | I see, I do would like to have ubuntu on my smartphone | 20:41 |
| thumper | a lot of the gnome-shell core is controlled by red hat | 20:41 |
| thumper | people think "hey it is just gnome" | 20:41 |
| thumper | but the core committers, those that accept patches, work elsewhere | 20:41 |
| thumper | and we did hit issues with the first unity shell that was based on mutter and clutter | 20:41 |
| ibeardslee | heh clutter | 20:42 |
| ibeardslee | it does seem that there is a disconnect with the customer base, and aq bunch of dissatisfaction with the unity interface. | 20:43 |
| sadsun | couldnt canonical just merge with red hat? | 20:43 |
| ibeardslee | it seems to have been somewhat of tha PR disaster | 20:44 |
| ibeardslee | sadsun: Nooooooo | 20:44 |
| sadsun | o_O | 20:44 |
| sadsun | bad thing? | 20:44 |
| ibeardslee | very | 20:44 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: quite a few of the changes were driven by user testing | 20:44 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: the user testing group is now including existing ubuntu users | 20:45 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: where in the past they weren't | 20:45 |
| ibeardslee | redhat and canonical are very different beasts | 20:45 |
| thumper | sadsun: merging will never happen | 20:45 |
| ibeardslee | thumper: don't see much of that being pushed out in articles. | 20:45 |
| ibeardslee | yet to see a "Canonical: yeap we could have done better, but this is what we are doing and here is the direction we are going" | 20:46 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: there are some, but people don't like reading about good news | 20:46 |
| thumper | sensationalist articles get readers | 20:46 |
| ibeardslee | yes. but so do big announcements about direction | 20:47 |
| ibeardslee | I do imagine that there'd be a lot of "too late" responces to some directional announcements | 20:48 |
| ibeardslee | maybe I'm just following the wrong information streams to catch the good news | 20:48 |
| sadsun | hmm, OMGubuntu posted an interesting article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/tomorrow-the-internet-starts-to-die/ | 20:51 |
| ibeardslee | I like ubuntu, and what Canonical have done to help bring Linux to the masses. | 20:52 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: so what do you read? | 21:00 |
| ibeardslee | admitedly not a lot, mostly what I stumble across via twitter/facebook feeds .. the dumbing down of society. | 21:07 |
| ibeardslee | do you have any recommendations? | 21:08 |
| ibeardslee | happy to help spread the good news | 21:08 |
| thumper | ibeardslee: not off the top of my head | 21:51 |
| hads | mwhudson: I've (very briefly) looked at notmuch but was put off by the local storage. | 21:57 |
| olly_ | morning | 22:08 |
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