[00:01] <pleia2> sure, glad you got it all sorted :)
[00:25] <Corey> pleia2: I'll be there this evening. Whee.
[00:26] <pleia2> Corey: cool, see you in a couple hours then, bringing key to sign?
[00:26] <Corey> pleia2: Ooh, good call.
[00:33] <Corey> pleia2: Reviewing http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html
[00:33] <pleia2> Corey: I tend to go by http://www.phillylinux.org/keys/terminal.html
[00:33] <pleia2> so I just bring my ID and printed fingerprint
[00:37] <Corey> Hmm, 2048 bit key.  Good enough. :-p
[00:38] <pleia2> I went all the way to 4096, my key from 2003 was 1024 and useless now, it is very sad (particularly because that's the fingerprint I have on my business cards)
[00:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Some people take keys really serious :P just saying
[00:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: as they should, it's a web of trust
[00:56] <pleia2> if people don't care it doesn't mean a whole lot
[00:58] <akk> Do you have to start all over getting signatures when you go to a longer key?
[00:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah but so very few people use keys in the grand scheme of things. I would say a good majority of people who use the internet have no idea what a key is and better yet could not name a algorithm of the top of their head
[00:59] <bkerensa> I wish keys had wider adoption and were more of a standard
[00:59] <pleia2> akk: yes, but if you write a transition statement and sign it with both keys the people who signed your key previously can then decide whether they trust the transition statement and sign your new one
[00:59] <akk> I went to a keysigning in 2007, got lots of signatures, think I've used the key twice since then (and neither time did the signatures help).
[00:59] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/gpg/key-transition_20110517_asc.txt
[00:59] <pleia2> ^^ my transition statement
[01:00] <bkerensa> akk: Yeah exactly.... I would bet that if anything key use has declined over the years
[01:01] <pleia2> bkerensa: I wish more people used them, but in all honesty I only ever really use mine for signing debian packages (it's a requirement)
[01:01] <pleia2> I haven't used it for email in years
[01:01] <bkerensa> yeah
[01:01] <bkerensa> see if your doing packaging and foss dev work then a key is essential
[01:01] <akk> I've never managed to get mutt to do anything useful with email signatures (like check against keyservers).
[01:01] <bkerensa> :D
[01:01] <pleia2> I had mutt all set up for the whole thing back in the day, it was fun
[01:02] <pleia2> now I use gmail and gave up :)
[01:02] <akk> Oh, yeah, I've used my key to sign software packages (is that the same key? I'm always confused about when I'm using a GPG key vs. an ssh key)
[01:02] <bkerensa> keys actually are a major headache for me personally because people new to Ubuntu love to ask me to teach them how to generate a key and sign the CoC
[01:03]  * bkerensa uses a key for Amazon EC2 and for root to two boxes but thats all :D
[01:11] <jtatum> two different keys :)
[01:12] <jtatum> ssh key only does ssh and that's it
[01:12] <jtatum> and you can't use a gpg key to connect to an ssh session
[01:13] <jtatum> kinda seems dumb actually. shouldn't they support gpg keys for ssh?
[01:14] <akk> ssh can do a lot, though -- like repository access (I have an ssh key I use for that)
[01:15] <akk> I had to generate a special one with a password for gnome svn (now git)
[01:15] <jtatum> yes - when ssh is the underlying protocol :)
[01:16] <akk> so the process is quite a lot like making a gpg key and it's easy to forget which is which
[01:17] <jtatum> hm, apparently there's a tool called gpgkey2ssh, which is part of gnupg-agent
[01:18] <jtatum> and it may or may not be deprecated according to http://old.nabble.com/gpgkey2ssh-td30025315.html
[01:19] <akk> oh, great, that clears things up :)
[01:20] <jtatum> lol
[01:20] <jtatum> sorry :)
[01:36] <Corey> pleia2: Do I need to bring my passport to dinner? :-p
[01:36] <pleia2> Corey: just a a single form of gov't ID is fine (drivers license?)
[01:37] <Corey> pleia2: So far this year it's gotten me into Mexico, Morocco, Germany, Israel, and... your web of trust. :-p
[01:37] <pleia2> lol
[01:37] <pleia2> I don't have a stamp
[01:37] <pleia2> :)
[01:37] <Corey> pleia2: Make one!
[01:37] <Corey> Republic of pleia. Official motto: Subsisto Sermonem Statum
[01:38] <pleia2> haha, hey!
[01:42] <pleia2> Corey: wanna meet at montgomery and market and walk over?
[01:42] <pleia2> (not sure where you are at the moment :))
[01:44] <Corey> pleia2: Sure!  I'm in the FlatIron building.
[01:44] <Corey> Sutter and Market.
[01:44] <pleia2> ok cool, say 6:15?
[01:46]  * pleia2 will wear bright green linode shirt
[01:46] <pleia2> well, any much of this green is bright
[01:46] <pleia2> green green
[01:54] <Corey> pleia2: k.  Is a big corner though.
[01:58]  * jtatum notices Corey has a callsign in their ident
[02:09] <philipballew> San Diego Ubuntu hour underway!
[02:13] <jtatum> hello san diego!
[02:19]  * akk waves to everyone in san diego
[02:22]  * philipballew waves back at akk 
[17:55] <jtatum> mornin'
[17:55] <pleia2> g'day jtatum
[17:56] <jtatum> hi there pleia2
[18:29] <sadsun> mornin'
[18:31] <philipballew_> morning sadsun
[18:31] <philipballew_> how goes it?
[18:31] <sadsun> just watched the movie Punctured, it's quite good
[18:32] <philipballew_> whats it about?
[18:33] <sadsun> lawyer suing a medical company, because they refuse to market safety needles
[18:35] <philipballew_> seems like a fitting name then.
[18:35] <sadsun> how are you doing philipballew?
[18:35] <philipballew_> I am going good. Just about to head to class
[18:35] <philipballew_> you live in CA?
[18:35] <sadsun> aye, it is, I was amazed at the statistics
[18:35] <sadsun> no, I am in the Netherlands
[18:35] <philipballew_> ah, i see
[18:36] <philipballew_> well, its off to class now
[18:36] <sadsun> half past seven here, that's why^^
[19:05] <jtatum> things are still a little quiet here sadsun :) speaking very generally, i think we tend not to be morning people :)
[19:05] <sadsun> np :)
[19:12]  * akk has her head buried in code
[19:18] <sadsun> need a snorkel?
[19:22] <akk> yeah, that might help :)
[19:23]  * sadsun polishes his snorkel from spit and hands it over to Akk
[19:24] <sadsun> what are you working on?
[19:27] <akk> sadsun: config parsing -- trying to get a program to save user prefs and read them back in again later.
[19:28] <akk> Getting a mapping program to remember its zoom level when you save a site, actually.
[19:28] <nhaines> akk: it's better if you enforce your preferences on the user.
[19:28] <nhaines> Much easier to code that way.
[19:28] <akk> That much is true, anyway. :)
[19:29] <sadsun> cool, which mapping program are we talking about?
[19:30] <akk> mine, pytopo -- http://shallowsky.com/software/topo/
[19:33] <sadsun> awesome, so you use googlemaps as well? or just the code?
[19:33] <akk> There! Just had to whip a regexp into shape.
[19:34] <akk> This isn't related to google maps -- it's a program you run on your local machine, and I've never tried to get it to use google maps data because I think that may violate google's TOS.
[19:34] <akk> It uses openstreetmap data, or any local maps you care to store.
[19:34] <nhaines> akk: I'm pretty sure it does.
[19:35] <jyo> jtatum: How are we looking for the Ubuntu Hour tomorrow?
[19:36] <sadsun> I see, neat
[20:18] <jtatum> jyo: it's on like donkey kong
[20:18] <jtatum> sent an email to the list yesterday. so far no attendees on the loco page but i'll be there anyway :)
[22:01] <philipballew> jtatum, How often is your hour?
[22:08] <pleia2> philipballew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours#Current_Ubuntu_Hours
[22:08] <pleia2> monthly
[22:10] <philipballew> haha. thanks pleia2 :)
[23:26] <jtatum> ^^^ that :)
[23:27] <nhaines> I really do need to come up with a landing page for my UH.