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brycehhey, there was someone who was really keen on working with us on the multihead xrandr stuff; anyone remember who that was?01:36
brycehaha, ayan it was01:37
RAOFAlso Evan.02:05
* broder waves02:06
broderYeah, I never seem to quite get up the throughput I want, but I am very interested in multihead stuff02:06
RAOFYo yo!02:06
RAOFStory of our lives :)02:06
broder(And I'm happy to rant passionately about how I think things should work :-P)02:06
RAOFShould the design team start making unreasonable demands I'll be sure to roll you out :)02:07
brycehbroder, awesome!02:09
brycehbroder, so, we've roughed out the blueprints enough to be worth perusing I think02:09
broderYeah, I have them sitting in my inbox and was planning to look through them this evening when I got home from work02:09
brycehbroder, tentatively we've assigned many of the work items, but I think both raof and I are over limit on tasks so if you happen to be interested in one or two we'd be happy to share :-)02:10
broderMost of my interest is around what happens at the g-s-d/gnome-desktop level or so02:10
* bryceh nods02:10
brycehbroder, in the near term I'll be focusing mainly on the X side of stuff, but expect in 1-2 months the gnome-rr bits will start becoming worth giving attention to02:11
brycehlater on there's probably going to be a fair bit of testing and polishing needed02:11
brycehI'm still a little sketchy on where Design's work fits in, but figure that'll get sorted out02:12
* broder nods02:12
brycehmeantime, if you know of any bug#'s relevant to any of this, shoot them my way; I'm going to build a collection of 'em02:12
brycehRAOF, I've worsened your Work Item overload today, sorry about that.  Figure we will need to do some prioritization and filtering the next day or two02:14
RAOFbryceh: That's ok.  Roughly 30 of my work-items aren't actually mine.02:15
RAOFWhen pitti's awake I'll work out how they should be marked.02:15
* bryceh nods02:17
brycehyeah I'm waiting for status to update so I can see what my score is currently02:18
broderRAOF: i know we were talking about wayland and grabs (or lack thereof) at uds. does wayland have an answer for, e.g., polkit prompts where you want to own the keyboard/mouse to be sure you get the credentials?03:59
RAOFNot as far as I'm aware, no.04:00
RAOFAlthough I suspect that the correct answer is "build it into the shell"04:00
RAOFWhich is, after all, what we plan to do anyway.04:00
brodergood point04:00
RAOFAnd that's obviously easier with wayland, because your shell is your compositor and can simply gobble up the input.04:01
tjaaltonRAOF: disable it (the touchpad) ;)05:43
RAOFI rather like *having* a touchpad, especially an almost-multitouch one.  This clearly reports 3 fingers; it just does it badly!05:44
RAOFAlso, two-finger scrolling is love.05:44
tjaaltonmiddle-button + nipple does the same05:45
RAOFThis is true.  It doesn't do it as well, though.05:46
tjaaltonwell, the touchpad gets on my way all the time, so I just disabled it from bios05:46
SarvattRAOF: hmm, when I used that last it was tolerable under oneiric11:04
SarvattRAOF: if you want to see bad, try lucid11:05
Sarvattthe cursor moves constantly just resting your finger in one spot11:05
ricotzSarvatt, hey :)11:10
ricotzlooks like there is a fglrx driver with 1.11 support ;)11:10
jcristauonly two months late?11:12
tjaaltonthey didn't need to rush it this time :)11:16
jcristautjaalton: because of 11.10 not shipping with 1.11?11:17
ricotzyeah, unfortunatelly, they need some pressure to catch up ;)11:17
tjaaltonjcristau: right11:17
tjaaltonjcristau: well, that's the theory anyway11:17
ricotzhaving fglrx support now could change this11:18
tjaaltonchange what?11:18
ricotznot going with 1.1111:19
jcristaufor 11.10?11:19
jcristaua bit too late for that.11:19
tjaaltonyep11:19
ricotz12.0411:19
tjaaltonprecise will get it soon11:19
ricotzah, nvm thinking about 1.1211:20
tseliotricotz: I'm on it11:26
tseliot(fglrx)11:27
ricotztseliot, thanks :), still hoping for nvidia 285.x for oneiric11:27
ricotztseliot, could you upload fglrx to edgers too (natty, oneiric, precise)11:28
tseliotricotz: I haven't made an announcement yet but have a look at bug #88763011:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 887630 in nvidia-settings-updates (Ubuntu Precise) (and 5 other projects) "SRU: update nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates to 285.05.09 (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88763011:28
ricotztseliot, or point me to the fglrx upload and i push it to the ppa11:29
ricotztseliot, thanks!11:29
tseliotricotz: yes, I'm going to upload it to precise first. I can ping you when it's done11:29
ricotztseliot, ok11:30
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brycehIntel says mesa 7.11 coming next week; 8.0 will be in january with open gl 3.0.  Bugfix versions in feb.16:40
jcristauthey don't do RCs for mesa anymore?16:41
Sarvatt7.11.116:43
jcristauah right 7.11 is already out.  silly me.16:44
Sarvattthey did rc's for point releases of mesa at one point?16:44
Sarvattoh16:44
jcristaui was just confused :)16:44
ricotzbryceh, i got lucky looking for a newer wacom driver and they have done a new release, you might want to grab this https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/2079193/+listing-archive-extra17:15
Sarvattricotz: tjaalton is the one to poke about that :) 17:18
ricotzoh, alright, i just looked at the last changelog entry17:19
ricotztjaalton, perhaps you want to grab this update for precise ^17:19
ricotzSarvatt, it even suppose to work with ABI 14 (1.12) ;)17:20
Sarvattour stuff is different than the debian ones and not maintained in pkg-xorg, he does it in his own branch on git.debian.org17:21
jcristauricotz: ABI 14 is not 1.12.17:21
ricotzSarvatt, i see, this is an uupdate from the precise package17:21
ricotzjcristau, currently it is17:22
jcristau1.12 doesn't exist, and i expect its ABI will see a few more bumps.17:22
jcristauno it's not17:22
ricotzinput abi17:22
Sarvattits not pushed yet and could be 15 or more by the time it releases is what he means17:22
Sarvattjcristau: we're most likely going to have a horrible abomination xserver this time, input stack from 1.12 on 1.11 (yay..)17:23
jcristauSarvatt: ewww17:24
jcristaubecause 1.12 comes too late?17:24
Sarvattyeah feature freeze is feb 16th and there hasn't even been any talk of release dates or following of schedule so far so its a bit up in the air17:25
Sarvattoh it is abi 14 right now, doubt its going to be 14 in 1.12 then17:29
ricotzjcristau, yeah, i meant "currently", i know it is still in transition, just saying it is nice having a driver following it17:29
ricotzSarvatt, i guess the multitouch stuff might bump it further17:29
ricotzif it finally lands...17:30
tjaaltonricotz: sure18:31
tjaaltonand while the branch is on my own repo, pkg-xorg has write access18:31
tjaaltonhmm, haven't seen wacom release announcements on any list18:39
tjaaltonoh there's a separate list for it..18:40
ricotztjaalton, ok, i just got from the sourceforge page19:07
Sarvattoh wow, cairo 1.12 this week19:18
Sarvattrelease candidates? who needs em19:19
brycehmesa 7.11.2 in december specifically20:22
brycehand a .3 in january in addition to 8.020:23
Milos_SDHello... Why is there no fglrx 11.11 drivers packaged in xorg-edgers or x-swap ppa? :)22:09

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