[01:36] <bryceh> hey, there was someone who was really keen on working with us on the multihead xrandr stuff; anyone remember who that was?
[01:37] <bryceh> aha, ayan it was
[02:05] <RAOF> Also Evan.
[02:06]  * broder waves
[02:06] <broder> Yeah, I never seem to quite get up the throughput I want, but I am very interested in multihead stuff
[02:06] <RAOF> Yo yo!
[02:06] <RAOF> Story of our lives :)
[02:06] <broder> (And I'm happy to rant passionately about how I think things should work :-P)
[02:07] <RAOF> Should the design team start making unreasonable demands I'll be sure to roll you out :)
[02:09] <bryceh> broder, awesome!
[02:09] <bryceh> broder, so, we've roughed out the blueprints enough to be worth perusing I think
[02:09] <broder> Yeah, I have them sitting in my inbox and was planning to look through them this evening when I got home from work
[02:10] <bryceh> broder, tentatively we've assigned many of the work items, but I think both raof and I are over limit on tasks so if you happen to be interested in one or two we'd be happy to share :-)
[02:10] <broder> Most of my interest is around what happens at the g-s-d/gnome-desktop level or so
[02:10]  * bryceh nods
[02:11] <bryceh> broder, in the near term I'll be focusing mainly on the X side of stuff, but expect in 1-2 months the gnome-rr bits will start becoming worth giving attention to
[02:11] <bryceh> later on there's probably going to be a fair bit of testing and polishing needed
[02:12] <bryceh> I'm still a little sketchy on where Design's work fits in, but figure that'll get sorted out
[02:12]  * broder nods
[02:12] <bryceh> meantime, if you know of any bug#'s relevant to any of this, shoot them my way; I'm going to build a collection of 'em
[02:14] <bryceh> RAOF, I've worsened your Work Item overload today, sorry about that.  Figure we will need to do some prioritization and filtering the next day or two
[02:15] <RAOF> bryceh: That's ok.  Roughly 30 of my work-items aren't actually mine.
[02:15] <RAOF> When pitti's awake I'll work out how they should be marked.
[02:17]  * bryceh nods
[02:18] <bryceh> yeah I'm waiting for status to update so I can see what my score is currently
[03:59] <broder> RAOF: i know we were talking about wayland and grabs (or lack thereof) at uds. does wayland have an answer for, e.g., polkit prompts where you want to own the keyboard/mouse to be sure you get the credentials?
[04:00] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware, no.
[04:00] <RAOF> Although I suspect that the correct answer is "build it into the shell"
[04:00] <RAOF> Which is, after all, what we plan to do anyway.
[04:00] <broder> good point
[04:01] <RAOF> And that's obviously easier with wayland, because your shell is your compositor and can simply gobble up the input.
[05:43] <tjaalton> RAOF: disable it (the touchpad) ;)
[05:44] <RAOF> I rather like *having* a touchpad, especially an almost-multitouch one.  This clearly reports 3 fingers; it just does it badly!
[05:44] <RAOF> Also, two-finger scrolling is love.
[05:45] <tjaalton> middle-button + nipple does the same
[05:46] <RAOF> This is true.  It doesn't do it as well, though.
[05:46] <tjaalton> well, the touchpad gets on my way all the time, so I just disabled it from bios
[11:04] <Sarvatt> RAOF: hmm, when I used that last it was tolerable under oneiric
[11:05] <Sarvatt> RAOF: if you want to see bad, try lucid
[11:05] <Sarvatt> the cursor moves constantly just resting your finger in one spot
[11:10] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey :)
[11:10] <ricotz> looks like there is a fglrx driver with 1.11 support ;)
[11:12] <jcristau> only two months late?
[11:16] <tjaalton> they didn't need to rush it this time :)
[11:17] <jcristau> tjaalton: because of 11.10 not shipping with 1.11?
[11:17] <ricotz> yeah, unfortunatelly, they need some pressure to catch up ;)
[11:17] <tjaalton> jcristau: right
[11:17] <tjaalton> jcristau: well, that's the theory anyway
[11:18] <ricotz> having fglrx support now could change this
[11:18] <tjaalton> change what?
[11:19] <ricotz> not going with 1.11
[11:19] <jcristau> for 11.10?
[11:19] <jcristau> a bit too late for that.
[11:19] <tjaalton> yep
[11:19] <ricotz> 12.04
[11:19] <tjaalton> precise will get it soon
[11:20] <ricotz> ah, nvm thinking about 1.12
[11:26] <tseliot> ricotz: I'm on it
[11:27] <tseliot> (fglrx)
[11:27] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks :), still hoping for nvidia 285.x for oneiric
[11:28] <ricotz> tseliot, could you upload fglrx to edgers too (natty, oneiric, precise)
[11:28] <tseliot> ricotz: I haven't made an announcement yet but have a look at bug #887630
[11:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 887630 in nvidia-settings-updates (Ubuntu Precise) (and 5 other projects) "SRU: update nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates to 285.05.09 (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887630
[11:29] <ricotz> tseliot, or point me to the fglrx upload and i push it to the ppa
[11:29] <ricotz> tseliot, thanks!
[11:29] <tseliot> ricotz: yes, I'm going to upload it to precise first. I can ping you when it's done
[11:30] <ricotz> tseliot, ok
[16:40] <bryceh> Intel says mesa 7.11 coming next week; 8.0 will be in january with open gl 3.0.  Bugfix versions in feb.
[16:41] <jcristau> they don't do RCs for mesa anymore?
[16:43] <Sarvatt> 7.11.1
[16:44] <jcristau> ah right 7.11 is already out.  silly me.
[16:44] <Sarvatt> they did rc's for point releases of mesa at one point?
[16:44] <Sarvatt> oh
[16:44] <jcristau> i was just confused :)
[17:15] <ricotz> bryceh, i got lucky looking for a newer wacom driver and they have done a new release, you might want to grab this https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/2079193/+listing-archive-extra
[17:18] <Sarvatt> ricotz: tjaalton is the one to poke about that :) 
[17:19] <ricotz> oh, alright, i just looked at the last changelog entry
[17:19] <ricotz> tjaalton, perhaps you want to grab this update for precise ^
[17:20] <ricotz> Sarvatt, it even suppose to work with ABI 14 (1.12) ;)
[17:21] <Sarvatt> our stuff is different than the debian ones and not maintained in pkg-xorg, he does it in his own branch on git.debian.org
[17:21] <jcristau> ricotz: ABI 14 is not 1.12.
[17:21] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i see, this is an uupdate from the precise package
[17:22] <ricotz> jcristau, currently it is
[17:22] <jcristau> 1.12 doesn't exist, and i expect its ABI will see a few more bumps.
[17:22] <jcristau> no it's not
[17:22] <ricotz> input abi
[17:22] <Sarvatt> its not pushed yet and could be 15 or more by the time it releases is what he means
[17:23] <Sarvatt> jcristau: we're most likely going to have a horrible abomination xserver this time, input stack from 1.12 on 1.11 (yay..)
[17:24] <jcristau> Sarvatt: ewww
[17:24] <jcristau> because 1.12 comes too late?
[17:25] <Sarvatt> yeah feature freeze is feb 16th and there hasn't even been any talk of release dates or following of schedule so far so its a bit up in the air
[17:29] <Sarvatt> oh it is abi 14 right now, doubt its going to be 14 in 1.12 then
[17:29] <ricotz> jcristau, yeah, i meant "currently", i know it is still in transition, just saying it is nice having a driver following it
[17:29] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i guess the multitouch stuff might bump it further
[17:30] <ricotz> if it finally lands...
[18:31] <tjaalton> ricotz: sure
[18:31] <tjaalton> and while the branch is on my own repo, pkg-xorg has write access
[18:39] <tjaalton> hmm, haven't seen wacom release announcements on any list
[18:40] <tjaalton> oh there's a separate list for it..
[19:07] <ricotz> tjaalton, ok, i just got from the sourceforge page
[19:18] <Sarvatt> oh wow, cairo 1.12 this week
[19:19] <Sarvatt> release candidates? who needs em
[20:22] <bryceh> mesa 7.11.2 in december specifically
[20:23] <bryceh> and a .3 in january in addition to 8.0
[22:09] <Milos_SD> Hello... Why is there no fglrx 11.11 drivers packaged in xorg-edgers or x-swap ppa? :)