[01:05] <Inst1nct> Guys I need some help
[01:05] <Inst1nct> guidance in fact
[01:06] <knome> hmmh?
[01:06] <Inst1nct> Im a first year computer science student
[01:06] <Inst1nct> and I'm currently learning JAVA and also some ethical hacking on the side
[01:07] <Inst1nct> but I want to really get involved with making programs, rather than typical exercises in a given textbook
[01:07] <knome> right :)
[01:07] <Inst1nct> where do I start?
[01:07] <Inst1nct> especially if I want to code for an os
[01:08] <knome> hanging around this channel and subscribing our developer mailing list should be a good start on getting to know open source communities
[01:08] <knome> do you have any experience on working on code with others?
[01:09] <Inst1nct> I've subscribed to the mailing list and will save this channel with many others
[01:09] <Inst1nct> never before
[01:09] <knome> okay
[01:09] <Inst1nct> I've tried to start a beginners java group to work on a project
[01:09] <Inst1nct> but that hasn't got far
[01:09] <Inst1nct> basically, i want to get stuck in but dont know where to begin
[01:09] <Inst1nct> :(
[01:10] <knome> mmh. there should be some low-hanging fruit in (x)ubuntu
[01:10] <micahg> Inst1nct: if you're into java, you might want to check out the eclipse project  http://eclipse.org/
[01:10] <knome> micahg, can you help Inst1nct to get a quick overview of the (x)ubuntu developer stuff?
[01:10] <Inst1nct> I'm not really into JAVA, just been learning it
[01:11] <Inst1nct> I want to code for something, and for an OS it's C right
[01:11] <Inst1nct> ?
[01:11] <micahg> Inst1nct: C, C++, Python, Vala
[01:12] <micahg> Inst1nct: there are some java based apps as well, we (xubuntu) just don't ship any by default AFAIK
[01:12] <knome> not that i know of either
[01:12] <Inst1nct> sweet, so where do I start, I mean im fairly familiar with programming with regard to concepts and its syntax
[01:12] <Inst1nct> just getting bored of basic console exercises
[01:14] <micahg> I actually don't have a lot of time this week, next week I could talk you through some of it, in the mean time, there's the Debian Java team (which there are people from Ubuntu involved in as well): http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/JavaPackaging
[01:14] <Inst1nct> great, is there anyway I can contact you when you're free
[01:14] <micahg> that's if you want java, we could use help fixing various bugs as well, but that would be in some of those other langauges
[01:15] <Inst1nct> or will you be here
[01:15] <micahg> Inst1nct: I'm usually here most of the time, just a ping next week some time would be fine
[01:15] <Inst1nct> thanks for the help
[01:15] <knome> Inst1nct, just pop in the channel and type his nick every 5 secods until he appears;)
[01:15] <knome> just kidding, just type it once :P
[01:15] <Inst1nct> lol
[01:16] <Inst1nct> forgive me for being intrusive but would you guys mind telling me a bit about your background, with regard to what you've studied and projects that you've worked on
[01:16] <Inst1nct> I learn a lot from others experiences
[01:17] <knome> i actually studied nothing related to computers, but i've been working with FOSS projects since 2006
[01:18] <Inst1nct> whats FOSS?
[01:18] <knome> "free and open source software"
[01:19] <Inst1nct> how did you manage to get involved and what do the projects involve
[01:19] <Inst1nct> sorry for all the questions
[01:19] <knome> i started with amarok, a media player for kde
[01:19] <knome> in the beginning, i just did a lot of user support
[01:20] <knome> (in irc)
[01:20] <knome> later, i joined the marketing team, and worked on artwork etc.
[01:20] <Inst1nct> sounds good
[01:20] <knome> in 2008, i started working with xubuntu as the marketing lead
[01:21] <Inst1nct> seems like i definitely should stick around here
[01:21] <knome> and did all kinds of things, including the visual appearance of xubuntu (themes, wallpapers, etc)
[01:21] <Inst1nct> did that involved designing or more consulting
[01:21] <knome> designing mostly, but also working with others and kind of consulting both ways
[01:22] <knome> last year, i founded the shimmer project (shimmerproject.org) to keep on making FOSS beautiful - but not limited to xubuntu only
[01:22] <knome> basically we've built three themes, and a gmusicbrowser layout
[01:23] <knome> last month i was elected as the new xubuntu project lead, and right now i'm trying to make things rolling
[01:23] <Inst1nct> wow
[01:23] <Inst1nct> quite amazing
[01:23] <knome> there's a bit longer bio at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/XPL
[01:23] <Inst1nct> im on the website now
[01:24] <Inst1nct> are these all themes that can be incorporated in linux
[01:24] <knome> yes, in xfce
[01:24] <knome> if you have xubuntu installed, they are all installed by default too
[01:25] <knome> they not only can be incorporated in linux, they are specifically designed for linux ;)
[01:25] <Inst1nct> nice
[01:25] <Inst1nct> thats great
[01:25] <knome> yup
[01:26] <Inst1nct> im gonna get some sleep now, ill be back around again, thanks for all the help
[01:26] <knome> sure
[01:26] <knome> see you around
[01:26] <Inst1nct> bye
[14:36] <knome> i just organized the roadmap items by importance
[14:45] <knome> o hai scott-work 
[14:49] <scott-work> hi knome 
[14:49] <scott-work> i hope to have a list today of the website stuff
[14:49] <knome> great
[14:49] <scott-work> knome: how are you today by the way?
[14:49] <knome> fine!
[14:49] <scott-work> you were up quite late yesterday
[14:50] <knome> i've been working with the xubuntu roadmap/blueprint stuff
[14:50] <knome> only 5am :P
[14:50] <knome> (too late whatsoever)
[14:52] <scott-work> lol, that's almost the time i get up in the mornings though :P
[14:52] <knome> yeah, i suppose my rhythm is a bit different from the normal one
[14:52] <knome> but remind you once again, i'm an entrepreneur :P
[14:53] <knome> i did wake up at about 11am though, so not too late
[14:53] <knome> usually i wake up between noon and 2pm, regardless when i went to bed
[14:53] <knome> sleeping on the mornings is the best
[14:54] <knome> or "in the morning", whatever :P
[14:55] <knome> being able to think "whatever" in the bed and decide to sleep a few more hours is a good runner-up
[15:03] <scott-work> aye
[15:03] <scott-work> i'm not built like that, i get up around 6 am whether i want to or not really
[15:03] <scott-work> even if i go to bed at 2am
[15:03] <scott-work> it just means i'll be super tired and go to bed earlier the next next
[15:07] <scott-work> and sadly it seems i do better work in the morning though, because after being at work all day and solving crappy propblems left behind because people don't think through stuff kinds burns me out for the evening
[15:07] <scott-work> evenings
[15:08] <scott-work> which is kinda nice on tuesdays and thursdays when i get my daughter on the bus, i get up at six and have at least an hour to do ubuntu studio stuff before i even have to get her up ;)
[15:12] <knome> mmh
[15:12] <knome> what do you do for living btw?
[15:14] <scott-work> i'm a supervisor for an engineering department
[15:15] <scott-work> but i'm also responsible for training people as i am the second most experienced person in the department
[15:15] <astraljava> In other words, a kindergarten teacher.
[15:15] <scott-work> lol
[15:15] <scott-work> i am responsible for the quality of the department, both on a microscale and a macroscale
[15:16] <astraljava> Nice.
[15:16] <scott-work> meaning, that i have to qualify the quality of the shop drawings we issue but also need to be involved in the overall scope and direction of the project as well
[15:16] <scott-work> i don't do this for _every_ job, some are simply repititions of things we have many, many times before...those i might spot check from time to time
[15:17] <scott-work> but all the "new and interesting" jobs i usually get involved fairly heavily until we have a very clear direction and even then i'll probably check many things at the end
[15:18] <knome> hah
[15:19] <knome> what are you engineering? :P
[15:20] <scott-work> sorry if i sound so negative right now, i'm just worn down and disappointed with some of the problems because i thought we were doing better to address some of these issues :/
[15:20] <scott-work> we design, build, and install aluminum structures
[15:21] <scott-work> mainly we cover petroleum product tanks (the big steel round tanks)
[15:22] <scott-work> but we also cover quite a bit of waste water tanks (usually concrete tanks)
[15:22] <scott-work> we also have some architectural applications as well
[15:22] <scott-work> you can see pictures at our website: http://www.cstindustries.com/cst-covers/
[15:24] <knome> no problem
[15:24] <knome> ugh
[15:24] <knome> the website fails without js
[15:25] <knome> i can fix that for a modest prive
[15:25] <knome> *price
[15:25] <knome> ;)
[15:29] <knome> i'll be off. need to meet a friend who's going to contribute to xubuntu sooner than he thinks ;)
[15:29] <scott-work> lol, good luck :)
[15:29] <knome> hah
[15:30] <knome> he's already an assignee in one of our roadmap items :D
[15:30] <knome> he said he could do it, though, so no forcing
[15:30] <knome> ;)
[15:30] <knome> hmm.
[15:30] <knome> i wonder what's the easiest way to copy some FF bookmarks to an another machine.
[15:31] <madnick> mozilla symc
[15:31] <madnick> sync
[15:31] <madnick> :P
[15:31] <knome> how long does it take to set that up?
[15:31] <madnick> or export > scp :P
[15:31] <knome> i want to migrate like 4 urls, once
[15:33] <scott-work> i was using xmarks but i've starting using sync as well, although it did not behave quite as i expected
[15:34] <knome> i think i'll just type the four urls...
[15:43] <knome> madnick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Subcycle_tracking
[15:43] <knome> madnick, if you want to be more *precise*
[15:44] <madnick> knome: oh
[15:45] <madnick> Well, to be *precise* I think i need to think about those items
[15:46] <knome> ;]
[15:46] <knome> i just set fixing greybird gtk3 issues and releasing the new website as essential items for the cycle
[15:49] <madnick> knome: should this be done today? its getting kinda late for me :P
[15:50] <knome> nope.
[15:50] <knome> next thursday is the ubuntu planning freeze afaik
[15:50] <madnick> okay
[15:51] <knome> yeah, feature definition freeze nov 24
[16:00] <scott-work> ochosi: i'm going to have my way with the ubuntu studio theme update starting at the end of this week, i'll start doing some research into both ubuntu studio and xubuntu packages but i'm sure i will still need your help
[16:28] <scott-work> anybody know of a good and easy way forme to maintain a public "to do" list for myself?
[16:28] <scott-work> i'd like a very accessible way for me to maintain my "to do" list but also have it public so everyone can see it as well
[16:31] <astraljava> Sounds like a job for a wiki.
[17:55] <ochosi> scott-work: studio-theme-update == upload greybird there?
[17:56] <ochosi> madnick: how's your settings ui going?
[18:56] <micahg> ochosi: umm, I think we'd prefer one copy of greybird in the archive (dependency on murrine-themes should be sufficient)
[19:04] <ochosi> micahg: sure, i'm fine with anything, just wanted to know where he'd want my help :)
[19:40] <scott-work> astraljava: i had thought about that, but i was kinda hoping it woudl be public but provide for capability for other to change it though ;)
[19:40] <scott-work> ochosi: well, there's also probably changes to -default-settings as well and the panel layout changes as well
[19:40] <scott-work> it may not be as bad as i'm expecting, but probably more involved that most expect
[19:41] <scott-work> i also worry that our settings and theme packages are not 1:1
[19:41] <scott-work> meaning i can't simply copy the theme package wholesale and replace our theme package, perhaps the panel layout needs to go int there (or not)
[19:56] <ochosi> scott-work: right, i guess we can try to figure that out something with the packagers...
[19:58] <scott-work> knome: don't forget to email the release team per kate's emal (i haven't done it either yet but will later today)
[20:17] <knome> scott-work, blah
[20:17] <knome> scott-work, we have pretty much no updates right now
[20:18] <scott-work> hehe, us too, but i'll still email them _something_ :P
[21:08] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-xubuntu-menu-managing
[21:10] <baizon> yes plz :)
[21:10] <baizon> that would be awesome