| === Guest2511 is now known as deafpancake | ||
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:16 |
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| Oldport | Hey\ | 18:16 |
| Oldport | Anybody here ? | 18:16 |
| Oldport | anybody here from the arctic? | 18:17 |
| sadsun | the netherlands, sorry | 18:19 |
| sadsun | but it's cold here too | 18:19 |
| sadsun | do u need help, Oldport ? | 18:21 |
| Oldport | hahah | 18:21 |
| Oldport | Not in ubuntu :) | 18:22 |
| sadsun | where in then? | 18:22 |
| Oldport | Just need some help in identifying some objects from the arctic | 18:25 |
| Oldport | thought someone might be from arctic area | 18:25 |
| sadsun | o_O objects? | 18:25 |
| Oldport | costumes | 18:25 |
| Oldport | and figurines. | 18:26 |
| sadsun | from native american tribes or something? | 18:26 |
| Oldport | yep | 18:26 |
| * genii-around makes more coffee and thinks about carving a narwhal tusk | 18:27 | |
| sadsun | cool :) | 18:27 |
| Oldport | genii has a 6th sense | 18:27 |
| Oldport | one of the item is indeed somekind of carved tusk | 18:27 |
| * sadsun is curious now | 18:28 | |
| Oldport | http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/3654/vs19704573a.jpg | 18:28 |
| Oldport | heres one of the things | 18:28 |
| Oldport | its a tusk | 18:28 |
| sadsun | nice | 18:28 |
| Oldport | or some kind of bone | 18:28 |
| Oldport | its shaped like a wahle | 18:28 |
| Oldport | im guessing its a whalebone | 18:28 |
| Oldport | i knwo they used to make whalebone artifacts | 18:29 |
| genii-around | Thats bone, yes | 18:29 |
| sadsun | should photograph it together with a size reference | 18:29 |
| sadsun | like a penny or something | 18:29 |
| Oldport | i get it | 18:30 |
| genii-around | My friend who was from Arctic Bay used to do a lot of stuff like this, I helped a bit. He would sell stuff to the local art stores, etc. | 18:30 |
| Oldport | HxWxD: 1.6 x 1.1. x 4.6 cm | 18:30 |
| Oldport | This one is quite old genii | 18:31 |
| Oldport | My grandfather visited those areas in the 1920s | 18:31 |
| Oldport | 1930s | 18:31 |
| Oldport | something around that period | 18:31 |
| Oldport | and this particular one looks a lot older than most the other stuff i have | 18:31 |
| sadsun | is it just art or does it also have some function, like a button? | 18:32 |
| genii-around | The tail of the whale is broken off, unfortunately :( But it does look interesting | 18:32 |
| Oldport | he was an archaeologist by profession | 18:32 |
| Oldport | by i dont know anything about this thing | 18:32 |
| Oldport | didnt leave any references | 18:32 |
| Oldport | but* | 18:33 |
| Oldport | http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4521/vs6926933.jpg | 18:34 |
| Oldport | heres another weird thing | 18:34 |
| Oldport | i think its some kind of goggles | 18:34 |
| Oldport | very weird stuff | 18:34 |
| sadsun | it's beautiful | 18:35 |
| genii-around | That second one is definitely made of whalebone, I can tell by the grain ( it is fairly porous stuff) | 18:35 |
| genii-around | Looks a variation on west coast thunderbird | 18:36 |
| Oldport | what are those | 18:37 |
| Oldport | I looked it up. | 18:38 |
| genii-around | Might also be snow goggles | 18:39 |
| Oldport | Thats what i thought | 18:39 |
| Oldport | some kind of goggles. | 18:39 |
| genii-around | ( although I don't see any through-holes) | 18:39 |
| Oldport | its definite shaped and sized like goggles | 18:39 |
| Oldport | heres a bunch of more weird things | 18:39 |
| Oldport | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4941/vs1970456466.jpg | 18:40 |
| sadsun | I think it functions like a baseball cap | 18:40 |
| Oldport | I think these are just decorations | 18:40 |
| Oldport | i think the middle and the right one are a lot older | 18:40 |
| Oldport | hence the decoloration | 18:41 |
| Oldport | some kind of ornaments perhaps | 18:42 |
| genii-around | The goggle-things can also be for sleeping... it's hard to sleep sometimes when the sun is shining 24/7 ... | 18:43 |
| genii-around | Of the three things there, hard to tell what the first is made from but looks like bone. The next two are ivory | 18:45 |
| Oldport | are you from the arctic area genii? | 18:45 |
| Oldport | that does make a lot of sense. | 18:45 |
| genii-around | No. But my friend had me up there to visit a couple times, we would buy raw materials like soapstone, whalebone, etc to bring back for his carvings. | 18:46 |
| genii-around | He was half Inuit half Welsh ( his dad went up there as a missionary, married a native girl ) | 18:47 |
| Oldport | cool | 18:47 |
| Oldport | I have some inuit costumes | 18:47 |
| genii-around | http://www.spiritwrestler.com/catalog/index.php?artists_id=397 is him | 18:47 |
| Oldport | very cool | 18:48 |
| Oldport | well | 18:48 |
| Oldport | not definitely inuit | 18:48 |
| Oldport | but some kind of indian items | 18:49 |
| Oldport | http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/139/tr165542011b.jpg | 18:49 |
| Oldport | look at this | 18:50 |
| Oldport | its quite something | 18:50 |
| Oldport | i dont think theres a single bead missing on it | 18:51 |
| genii-around | Looks like Ojibwe/Chippewa | 18:51 |
| Oldport | looks a bit Iroquois | 18:53 |
| genii-around | http://angelaswedberg.blogspot.com/2010/07/ca-1860s-plateau-bag-replica.html shows the style I was thinking of | 18:54 |
| genii-around | The shape is unusual, yes | 18:55 |
| genii-around | Work, afk | 18:56 |
| Oldport | :) | 18:56 |
| Oldport | later | 18:56 |
| sadsun | are you planning to sell them or something? | 18:57 |
| Oldport | no | 18:57 |
| Oldport | unless someone offers me a ridiculous bundle of cash | 18:58 |
| Oldport | i dont know if its worth anything | 18:58 |
| Oldport | but i think its unique | 18:58 |
| Oldport | and i know its gotta be old | 18:58 |
| Oldport | its at least 70-80 since he got it | 18:59 |
| Oldport | and he kept it very well so it looks a lot older | 18:59 |
| sadsun | maybe carbon date them? | 18:59 |
| Oldport | lol | 18:59 |
| Oldport | what would that help? | 18:59 |
| Oldport | the materials are million years old | 19:00 |
| Oldport | billion | 19:00 |
| Oldport | at best it could tell me what materials they are | 19:00 |
| Oldport | and when they were exposed to certain conditions | 19:00 |
| sadsun | true | 19:00 |
| Oldport | also theres probably a lot easier way to tell what materials its made off than doing spectrographic imaging | 19:02 |
| Oldport | x-ray | 19:02 |
| Oldport | or all that stuff | 19:02 |
| Oldport | there are simpler ways to figure out the materials | 19:03 |
| Oldport | but an expert could probably tell straight off | 19:04 |
| sadsun | carbon dating tells the age of the material... (if it has any carbon in it) | 19:05 |
| Oldport | spectographic imaging could tell the content of the materials | 19:06 |
| sadsun | if it is bone, then it should contain carbon | 19:06 |
| Oldport | xray | 19:06 |
| Oldport | neutroniic microscope could also determine | 19:06 |
| Oldport | but an expert could probably tell with a simple microscope | 19:07 |
| sadsun | true | 19:07 |
| sadsun | + with carbon dating u have to take a piece of the material and grind it to powder :( | 19:07 |
| Oldport | also the material, as important as they may be, dont tell the entire story | 19:07 |
| Oldport | the general design and the techniques used is probably the only way to determine culture of origin | 19:08 |
| Oldport | machines cant do that yet | 19:14 |
| Oldport | maybe they can | 19:14 |
| sadsun | doubt it :) | 19:20 |
| dscassel | They didn't say. Just "limited time" | 20:00 |
| dscassel | bah, wrong window | 20:00 |
| dscassel | Hi all. :D | 20:01 |
| genii-around | Hi dscassel ! | 20:01 |
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