[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[18:16] <Oldport> Hey\
[18:16] <Oldport> Anybody here ?
[18:17] <Oldport> anybody here from the arctic?
[18:19] <sadsun> the netherlands, sorry
[18:19] <sadsun> but it's cold here too
[18:21] <sadsun> do u need help, Oldport ?
[18:21] <Oldport> hahah
[18:22] <Oldport> Not in ubuntu :)
[18:22] <sadsun> where in then?
[18:25] <Oldport> Just need some help in identifying some objects from the arctic
[18:25] <Oldport> thought someone might be from arctic area
[18:25] <sadsun> o_O objects?
[18:25] <Oldport> costumes
[18:26] <Oldport> and figurines.
[18:26] <sadsun> from native american tribes or something?
[18:26] <Oldport> yep
[18:27]  * genii-around makes more coffee and thinks about carving a narwhal tusk
[18:27] <sadsun> cool :)
[18:27] <Oldport> genii has a 6th sense
[18:27] <Oldport> one of the item is indeed somekind of carved tusk
[18:28]  * sadsun is curious now
[18:28] <Oldport> http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/3654/vs19704573a.jpg
[18:28] <Oldport> heres one of the things
[18:28] <Oldport> its a tusk
[18:28] <sadsun> nice
[18:28] <Oldport> or some kind of bone
[18:28] <Oldport> its shaped like a wahle
[18:28] <Oldport> im guessing its a whalebone
[18:29] <Oldport> i knwo they used to make whalebone artifacts
[18:29] <genii-around> Thats bone, yes
[18:29] <sadsun> should photograph it together with a size reference
[18:29] <sadsun> like a penny or something
[18:30] <Oldport> i get it
[18:30] <genii-around> My friend who was from Arctic Bay used to do a lot of stuff like this, I helped a bit. He would sell stuff to the local art stores, etc.
[18:30] <Oldport> HxWxD: 1.6 x 1.1. x 4.6 cm
[18:31] <Oldport> This one is quite old genii
[18:31] <Oldport> My grandfather visited those areas in the 1920s
[18:31] <Oldport> 1930s
[18:31] <Oldport> something around that period
[18:31] <Oldport> and this particular one looks a lot older than most the other stuff i have
[18:32] <sadsun> is it just art or does it also have some function, like a button?
[18:32] <genii-around> The tail of the whale is broken off, unfortunately :( But it does look interesting
[18:32] <Oldport> he was an archaeologist by profession
[18:32] <Oldport> by i dont know anything about this thing
[18:32] <Oldport> didnt leave any references
[18:33] <Oldport> but*
[18:34] <Oldport> http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4521/vs6926933.jpg
[18:34] <Oldport> heres another weird thing
[18:34] <Oldport> i think its some kind of goggles
[18:34] <Oldport> very weird stuff
[18:35] <sadsun> it's beautiful
[18:35] <genii-around> That second one is definitely made of whalebone, I can tell by the grain ( it is fairly porous stuff)
[18:36] <genii-around> Looks a variation on west coast thunderbird
[18:37] <Oldport> what are those
[18:38] <Oldport> I looked it up.
[18:39] <genii-around> Might also be snow goggles
[18:39] <Oldport> Thats what i thought
[18:39] <Oldport> some kind of goggles.
[18:39] <genii-around> ( although I don't see any through-holes)
[18:39] <Oldport> its definite shaped and sized like goggles
[18:39] <Oldport> heres a bunch of more weird things
[18:40] <Oldport> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4941/vs1970456466.jpg
[18:40] <sadsun> I think it functions like a baseball cap
[18:40] <Oldport> I think these are just decorations
[18:40] <Oldport> i think the middle and the right one are a lot older
[18:41] <Oldport> hence the decoloration
[18:42] <Oldport> some kind of ornaments perhaps
[18:43] <genii-around> The goggle-things can also be for sleeping... it's hard to sleep sometimes when the sun is shining 24/7 ...
[18:45] <genii-around> Of the three things there, hard to tell what the first is made from but looks like bone. The next two are ivory
[18:45] <Oldport> are you from the arctic area genii?
[18:45] <Oldport> that does make a lot of sense.
[18:46] <genii-around> No. But my friend had me up there to visit a couple times, we would buy raw materials like soapstone, whalebone, etc to bring back for his carvings.
[18:47] <genii-around> He was half Inuit half Welsh ( his dad went up there as a missionary, married a native girl )
[18:47] <Oldport> cool
[18:47] <Oldport> I have some inuit costumes
[18:47] <genii-around> http://www.spiritwrestler.com/catalog/index.php?artists_id=397 is him
[18:48] <Oldport> very cool
[18:48] <Oldport> well
[18:48] <Oldport> not definitely inuit
[18:49] <Oldport> but some kind of indian items
[18:49] <Oldport> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/139/tr165542011b.jpg
[18:50] <Oldport> look at this
[18:50] <Oldport> its quite something
[18:51] <Oldport> i dont think theres a single bead missing on it
[18:51] <genii-around> Looks like Ojibwe/Chippewa
[18:53] <Oldport> looks a bit Iroquois
[18:54] <genii-around> http://angelaswedberg.blogspot.com/2010/07/ca-1860s-plateau-bag-replica.html  shows the style I was thinking of
[18:55] <genii-around> The shape is unusual, yes
[18:56] <genii-around> Work, afk
[18:56] <Oldport> :)
[18:56] <Oldport> later
[18:57] <sadsun> are you planning to sell them or something?
[18:57] <Oldport> no
[18:58] <Oldport> unless someone offers me a ridiculous bundle of cash
[18:58] <Oldport> i dont know if its worth anything
[18:58] <Oldport> but i think its unique
[18:58] <Oldport> and i know its gotta be old
[18:59] <Oldport> its at least 70-80 since he got it
[18:59] <Oldport> and he kept it very well so it looks a lot older
[18:59] <sadsun> maybe carbon date them?
[18:59] <Oldport> lol
[18:59] <Oldport> what would that help?
[19:00] <Oldport> the materials are million years old
[19:00] <Oldport> billion
[19:00] <Oldport> at best it could tell me what materials they are
[19:00] <Oldport> and when they were exposed to certain conditions
[19:00] <sadsun> true
[19:02] <Oldport> also theres probably a lot easier way to tell what materials its made off than doing spectrographic imaging
[19:02] <Oldport> x-ray
[19:02] <Oldport> or all that stuff
[19:03] <Oldport> there are simpler ways to figure out the materials
[19:04] <Oldport> but an expert could probably tell straight off
[19:05] <sadsun> carbon dating tells the age of the material... (if it has any carbon in it)
[19:06] <Oldport> spectographic imaging could tell the content of the materials
[19:06] <sadsun> if it is bone, then it should contain carbon
[19:06] <Oldport> xray
[19:06] <Oldport> neutroniic microscope could also determine
[19:07] <Oldport> but an expert could probably tell with a simple microscope
[19:07] <sadsun> true
[19:07] <sadsun> + with carbon dating u have to take a piece of the material and grind it to powder :(
[19:07] <Oldport> also the material, as important as they may be, dont tell the entire story
[19:08] <Oldport> the general design and the techniques used is probably the only way to determine culture of origin
[19:14] <Oldport> machines cant do that yet
[19:14] <Oldport> maybe they can
[19:20] <sadsun> doubt it :)
[20:00] <dscassel> They didn't say.  Just "limited time"
[20:00] <dscassel> bah, wrong window
[20:01] <dscassel> Hi all. :D
[20:01] <genii-around> Hi dscassel !