/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/18/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

nigelbMornin01:01
ScottLmhall119, aye, it is...this is my home computer, i guess you can figure out what scott-work is for ;)01:10
nigelbejat: I land in the airport at 12 am. I'm hoping to be in the hotel by 1 am or so.01:29
ejatnoted … im not staying at the hotel :(01:29
nigelbAh, right.01:30
nigelbI'll be missing tonight's small gathering.01:30
ejatbut its ok .. we will see how ..01:30
nigelbYeah :)01:30
nigelbThere's two full days! :)01:30
nigelbHeh, I love the weather prediction.01:30
nigelbRain every day01:31
ejat:)01:31
ejatin the evening ..01:31
nigelbfuuuu. I can't find my umbrella.01:31
nigelbI should hunt for it.01:31
ejatlike 1st day morning at uds .. raining …01:32
ejatdid u need the umbrella ?01:32
nigelbUDS is different. we're almost locked in a hotel for a week :P01:32
ejatyeah ..01:33
cjohnstonnigelb: the first day of uds here was raining01:33
ejatcjohnston : yeah .. thats what i told him just now ..01:33
nigelbcjohnston: The sunday before Budapest was also raining.01:33
cjohnstonyup01:34
nigelbI remember walking out of the flight into rain.01:34
cjohnstoni do remember that01:34
cjohnstonejat: it didnt look like he got that01:34
ejatcjohnston :)01:34
cjohnstonpleia2: did that guy ever get his ltp working01:35
ejatbrb01:37
pleia2cjohnston: heh, he disappears often, hoping he'll be at the mt view ubuntu hour tonight so I can force him to try it again ;)01:47
nigelbheh01:47
cjohnstonok01:47
cjohnstonyou should be able to tell by seeing if he shows up in the 'team' list when you go to edit the team01:47
pleia2yeah, he does now01:48
cjohnstonsay to add a contact or if you tried making him a meeting chair01:48
cjohnstonthen it should be good pleia201:48
pleia2I think I need to do the "loco.ubuntu.com people are community and don't hate you" talk again to my team01:48
cjohnstonwhy now01:49
pleia2"it never works" if they can't log in once01:49
cjohnstonlol01:49
pleia2"first it was the wiki, now loco, canonical must hate loco teams!"01:49
* pleia2 facepalm01:49
nigelbbah!01:50
* pleia2 is on a train \o/01:51
cjohnstonlocos hate loco teams?01:52
pleia2loco.ubuntu.com01:53
pleia2but probably that too ;)01:54
mhall119nobody says they can't use the wiki, if they like beating themselves for no reason....02:12
nigelbheh02:12
doctormonmhall119: I don't understand02:49
doctormondid any of you fine people try groundcontrol in oneiric?02:51
mhall119doctormon: what don't you understand?03:23
doctormonmhall119: Your double negative sentence. It says: "Anyone says they can use the wiki, if they like beating themselves for no reason..."03:28
mhall119doctormon: yes, that is still accurate03:42
doctormonmhall119: My parsing is failing me, can you help me by rewording it?03:43
mhall119nobody is saying (they can't use the wiki)03:43
mhall119count("Don't use the wiki!") == 003:44
mhall119`grep -Rnic "don't use the wiki" /` eq 003:44
doctormoncount("Don't use the wiki as a database!") == 103:45
mhall119the wiki is a database03:45
doctormonSo why would people beat themselves?03:45
mhall119doctormon: if they like to use the wiki for storing descrete data, they are probably masochists03:46
doctormonmhall119: That's not a database it's a scratch pad with style ;-)03:46
mhall119doctormon: ah, from the UI it is a scratchpad, from the code it is a database03:46
mhall119and it happens to be very bad at both03:47
doctormonmhall119: I'm sure even angry birds has a database in there somewhere, I wouldn't use it to store user data :-P03:47
mhall119doctormon: I'm betting Rovio does though ;)03:47
doctormonSo I take it your not a fan of the wiki for decreat data mhall119?03:48
mhall119doctormon: yes, mostly because it's a one-way street03:49
doctormonI just don't like it because it's got the design of a warthog, it's as flexible as a hammer, as fast as a sleeping snail and is a crutch for a real solution to data problems we have in the community.03:50
mhall119heh, so we agree03:51
doctormonHow long did we suffer the wiki before we finally got the loco directory.03:51
mhall119too long03:51
doctormonagreed03:51
mhall119we still suffer the wiki because we don't have a team reports app03:51
doctormonsoon I'm sure.03:51
mhall119only if we get more hands03:52
doctormonI just added the loco-portal project using ground control, ACE.03:52
mhall119we can barely do what we want with LTP and Summit03:52
mhall119doctormon: nice03:52
doctormonIf I can get some more support for ground control, we could provide the developer tool to get more people involved in the website work.03:52
doctormonAll that's needed is a text editor and the ability to start the server.03:52
mhall119I need a weekend where I can hack LTP data into Meetingology03:53
doctormonwhat's that?03:54
mhall119that's AlanBell's new meeting bot03:54
doctormonmhall119: So you'll get meeting logs to go to the loco directory directly?04:01
nigelbmhall119: zomg. You're on bash.org!04:20
nigelbhttp://bash.org/?94530404:20
mhall119nigelb: lol, that was a while ago04:22
mhall119doctormon: we already have links to the logs04:22
mhall119I'm thinking of getting the agenda into meetingology04:22
nigelbheh04:22
nigelbOh god. Taxi in 2.5 hours. Need to finish packing.04:23
doctormoninteresting, anything to exorcise the wiki from day to day use :-D04:23
bkerensaGood Night Ladies and Gents!06:22
czajkowskialoha07:43
dholbachgood morning07:46
czajkowskidholbach: aloha there hows you07:46
dholbachhey czajkowski07:47
dholbacha bit tired to be honest - I don't know why, but I feel like I woke up 500 times tonight07:47
dholbachhow about you?07:48
czajkowskiabout the same went to bed at 11 but up at 12 -4 and then finally nodded off about 5 :/07:50
czajkowskiit's going to be a long day07:50
dholbachyes07:51
* dholbach gets another espresso07:51
popeymorning07:59
czajkowskijussi: gives a shout when you're about will you please.08:10
popeyi think he's taking a break isnt he?08:15
popeyoh, he was around yesterday08:15
popeyignore me ☺08:15
huatsmorning popey !08:36
popeymorning huats08:37
alouriegood morning08:39
jussiczajkowski: yes?08:44
czajkowskijussi: can you fix the factoid please08:45
jussiczajkowski: sorry, no. If it doesnt sync to ubot4, only jpds can fixor it. :(08:45
czajkowskibots and me fail!08:46
czajkowskijussi: cheers08:46
AlecTaylorI am trying to model a collection of systems, their various interconnections, as well as their internal logical structures, as a message is passed through them, initiated by an actor. Is BPMN the right notation, and am I using it right? - http://i39.tinypic.com/16iut1d.png09:12
nigelbHello!09:25
* nigelb waves from airport09:25
* AlecTaylor waves back09:25
AlecTaylorhi09:46
AlecTaylorI am trying to model a collection of systems, their various interconnections, as well as their internal logical structures, as a message is passed through them, initiated by an actor. Is BPMN the right notation, and am I using it right? - http://i.stack.imgur.com/r9741.png09:46
AlanBellAlecTaylor: not sure this is the right place to ask that09:47
jussiAlecTaylor: you are probably asking in the wrong place. perhaps #ubuntu-app-devel might be better?09:47
jussihehe09:47
AlecTaylorasked there :P09:48
jussiAlecTaylor: ok. crossposting is generally frowned upon, so you may want to just be patient.09:49
AlecTaylorYou asked me to post there!09:49
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AlanBellAlecTaylor: thats fine09:51
AlanBellAlecTaylor: what has it got to do with Ubuntu though?09:51
AlecTaylorUbuntu was designed, Ubuntu designs various softare and architectures09:52
AlecTaylorSo I thought they may have some tips!09:52
AlanBellI would have thought BPM diagrams and swimlane stuff would be interesting discussions for a BPM forum or ISO 9000 area or something09:52
AlanBellwasn't really designed using a process approach though09:52
dholbachSunday is UCADay!10:06
AlecTaylorAlanBell: Have a specific one to suggest?10:31
AlanBellnot really, I don't do that any more10:32
AlanBelland the number of people in the open source world that would have a clue what you are on about is pretty small10:32
AlanBellthere is a jbpm project that Alfresco includes and OpenERP has some BPM tools in it, you won't get much help on either of those in the Ubuntu channels though10:33
AlecTaylormm10:40
danilosjcastro, hi, who can restore my admin privileges on summit.ubuntu.com? (actually, summit.linaro.org)13:02
mhall119danilos: what do you need admin privileges for?13:26
danilosmhall119, we want to use summit.linaro.org to start preparing for our next Connect coming up in early February13:27
mhall119danilos: oh, ok13:28
mhall119danilos: do you need access to just the schedule data, or do you need the access to the sponsorship too?13:29
AlanBelloh, linaro are not doing May?13:30
AlanBellor are they doing quarterly connects now?13:30
mhall119AlanBell: they have a shorter cadence13:30
mhall1194 months I think13:30
danilosmhall119, I don't need access to sponsorship stuff right now13:31
mhall119danilos: check your access now13:31
danilosAlanBell, mhall119: yeah, we do  them quarterly, there'll be another one in May13:31
AlanBellok, we won't do breaky stuff with the etherpad bit when you are in mid-connect then ;)13:32
AlanBellnigelb: ^^13:32
mhall119cjohnston: ^^ as well13:32
danilosmhall119, if I just create a linaro 'summit', how bad is it going to be if it shows up on summit.ubuntu.com? should we perhaps look for a different deployment instead?13:32
Davieydanilos: linaro don't use sponsorship through summit do they?13:32
danilosDaviey, I don't know that much13:32
mhall119danilos: depends on how much coding work you can put into summit between now and then13:33
Davieydanilos: How familar are you with summit?13:33
danilosDaviey, I've only done one non-trivial change to the code so far13:34
danilosmhall119, I don't expect us to be able to put much effort in, fwiw13:34
mhall119danilos: if you add a Linaro Connect to the system, it'll be displayed on summit.ubuntu.com's main page, but otherwise I don't think it will have any adverse effects13:35
mhall119uds.ubuntu.com will still link to /uds-p/, so that's good13:35
danilosmhall119, right, that's what I thought, how bad would that be for ubuntu13:35
mhall119danilos: not bad, and we could get a fix for that relatively easily13:36
mhall119danilos: but we'll be deploying some fixes, for both Ubuntu and Linaro, between now and Feb.13:37
mhall119we also have a planned upgrade to django 1.3 sometime soon13:37
danilosmhall119, right, we are fine with fixes which don't break stuff :)13:37
mhall119just warning you, there's a chance of short down times when we do them13:38
danilosmhall119, as for upgrade, that's fine, but let's not do it too close to February (if it can happen this year, it'd be good)13:38
mhall119danilos: we're going to do that one as soon as IS is ready13:38
danilosmhall119, ah, ok, that sounds good then13:38
mhall119jcastro: ping13:43
cjohnstondanilos: i was told by multiple other people that you guys wouldn't be using summit in Feb.. Has that changed?14:11
daniloscjohnston, hum, I am surprised about that, since people who are running the connect are asking me for it14:37
cjohnstondunno14:38
scott-workjcastro: how can i get get a burndown page like yours (http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/jorge.html) ?14:50
jcastrook so it was explained to me that you needt o be in a group14:51
jcastroand then cjohnston said that we can't make more groups because the server gets overload14:51
jcastroyou know, we should charm->EC2 this bad boy.14:51
mhall119jcastro: if only we knew someone involved with juju that could do that for us....14:54
marcoceppiCharming status would be epic.14:55
marcoceppiIMO14:55
mhall119jcastro: then convince IS to point a *.ubuntu.com domain to an AWS IP address14:56
* jcastro whistles14:56
jcastrohow about just14:59
jcastrosetting one up14:59
jcastrofor the people who can't be on status.u.c?14:59
dholbachjames_w, would you mind if I take over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News and replace it with submissions procedures and the like?15:03
jcastroDANIEL.15:03
jcastro(Hi.)15:03
dholbachHEY JORGE15:04
dholbachHOW ARE YOU DOING?????15:04
jcastrogood15:04
dholbachexcellent :)15:04
james_wNot at all15:04
dholbachmerci bien15:04
scott-workyou down with entropy?  ya, you know me15:16
dholbacheverybody got UCADay in their calendar for sunday? :)15:24
akgranerashams, see I told ya!  ^^^^15:37
ashamsyeah, you were absolutely correct ;D15:39
jcastroJoeb454: around?16:56
dholbachhey jono17:08
jonohey dholbach17:09
dholbachhave a great weekend everyone - see you all next week!17:09
dholbachand don't forget UCADay on Sunday!17:09
* dholbach hugs you all17:09
technovikingwish I could quit for the day 7 minutes after my boss shows up:)17:17
pleia2so, someone else owns twitter.com/xubuntu (never tweeted), but twitter claims they "may" respect trademarks, canonical owns the trademark, how/who does the xubuntu team need to nudge to at canonical to get help with this?18:23
bkerensapleia2: trademark@ubuntu.com might work took me about two days to get a response or perhaps https://forms.canonical.com/trademark/18:28
* nigelb waves18:29
bkerensahi nigelb18:29
nigelbhey18:29
pleia2bkerensa: thanks, I'm familiar with those, was hoping for a more human response that would help me determine whether it's even worth bothering :)18:29
pleia2but if it only takes a couple days for a response that's not so bad (it used to be a black hole)18:30
greg-ghah18:30
bkerensapleia2: Have you talked to anyone at Twitter? I hear they can take months if not longer to address issues and enforce their own policies18:30
bkerensablack holes are fun :D18:31
pleia2bkerensa: no, and that's the reason for the "may" in my comment ;)18:31
greg-gsometimes a legal dept to legal dept process can be quicker18:31
greg-g*sometimes*18:31
greg-g(as opposed to their usual customer service route)18:31
bkerensaOn another note does anyone know if it is possible to get the Ubuntu banner layouts? I am going to be making a banner and hope to use the official design... Were doing a big event the first week of Dec18:32
pleia2bkerensa: I'd ask in #ubuntu-design18:32
pleia2they've been helpful with my recent requests for things like that18:33
pleia2(takes a few days, but they can usually dig out the artwork I need eventually :))18:33
bkerensacool :D18:33
pleia2of course it's friday and they all live in the UK18:34
pleia2doh :)18:34
bkerensa:P18:35
bkerensaIt could be worse... You could be approached by Debian people to put together a venue with food and beverage for two days from 9am to 5pm =o18:36
bkerensawith just two weeks to work with :P18:37
pleia2they can approach all they want, that's not going to happen :)18:37
bkerensawell luckily I was able to get PuppetLabs to sign off on venue now just trying to raise enough money to feed 25 people for 3 meals for two days =/18:39
pleia2I love Debian people (mostly I'm one of them) but too many of them have little to no respect for people who do non-developer stuff, "It's easy to do that stuff! they only need 2 weeks!" and I try not to help them with this illusion ;)18:39
pleia2it is nice that they've opened up NM though <318:41
bkerensapleia2: Yeah magic does not happen in two weeks so they will get whatever I can serve up18:41
pleia2puppetlabs is awesome, you have a really great relationship going on up there, kudos :)18:41
Pendulumbkerensa: 3 meals a day?18:42
bkerensapleia2: PuppetLabs is good people18:42
Pendulumif I heard 9-5 for hours on something I'd assume that it might include lunch and snacks18:43
akgraner+1 on puppetlabs and good peoples!18:43
Pendulumnot breakfast and dinner as well18:43
bkerensaPendulum: Well I guess two since it will start at a little after breakfast18:43
Pendulum(and I've been to plenty of events where lunch was up to us to find, but that only works if there's food close to the venue)18:44
akgranerwas working on my UCADay stuff and it was sounding like an acceptance speech and next I'd like to thank...boring - so I changed my thought process to how would jcastro write this  - muahahaha....:-)18:45
jcastro\o/18:45
cprofittlol18:45
cprofittgood thinking akgraner18:45
bkerensaPendulum: Geeks up here are spoiled unfortunately.... I was very surprised that people showed for the Ocelot release since it wasnt catered18:46
bkerensaakgraner: I'm making cards for every member who came to any of the last three events or meetings18:46
akgraneryeah - I screwed up something else I was working so - I decided to work on something else for a few minutes...this has not been my finest week as far as productivity and I go...18:46
bkerensafor UCaday18:46
akgranerbkerensa, sounds cool...18:47
akgranerI don't know what all I am going to to besides blog and email people...but I think it's going to be fun reading what people write and stuff18:49
akgranerpleia2, you know if people post a lot of stuff we'll be adding a ton of links to UWN :-)  yay18:49
* pleia2 has totally ignored UWN this week18:50
pleia2:\18:50
pleia2rough week, I'll have some time this evening though18:50
akgranerI looked at it and thought I need to add some links will do that tomorrow though18:50
akgranerpleia2, no worries :-)18:51
czajkowskialoha21:25
doctormonMem is fun http://doctormo.org/2011/11/18/chucks-away/22:26
akgranerjcastro where does one go to see all the charms that have been written so far?22:27
jcastrohttp://charms.kapilt.com/22:35
jcastrotemporary22:35
jcastrothose are the accepted ones22:35
jcastrothe rest are in lp:charm22:35
technovikingin Iain Farrell still at Canonical?23:10
nigelbtechnoviking: Nope.23:17
technovikingnigelb: thanks23:18

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