| nigelb | Mornin | 01:01 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottL | mhall119, aye, it is...this is my home computer, i guess you can figure out what scott-work is for ;) | 01:10 |
| nigelb | ejat: I land in the airport at 12 am. I'm hoping to be in the hotel by 1 am or so. | 01:29 |
| ejat | noted … im not staying at the hotel :( | 01:29 |
| nigelb | Ah, right. | 01:30 |
| nigelb | I'll be missing tonight's small gathering. | 01:30 |
| ejat | but its ok .. we will see how .. | 01:30 |
| nigelb | Yeah :) | 01:30 |
| nigelb | There's two full days! :) | 01:30 |
| nigelb | Heh, I love the weather prediction. | 01:30 |
| nigelb | Rain every day | 01:31 |
| ejat | :) | 01:31 |
| ejat | in the evening .. | 01:31 |
| nigelb | fuuuu. I can't find my umbrella. | 01:31 |
| nigelb | I should hunt for it. | 01:31 |
| ejat | like 1st day morning at uds .. raining … | 01:32 |
| ejat | did u need the umbrella ? | 01:32 |
| nigelb | UDS is different. we're almost locked in a hotel for a week :P | 01:32 |
| ejat | yeah .. | 01:33 |
| cjohnston | nigelb: the first day of uds here was raining | 01:33 |
| ejat | cjohnston : yeah .. thats what i told him just now .. | 01:33 |
| nigelb | cjohnston: The sunday before Budapest was also raining. | 01:33 |
| cjohnston | yup | 01:34 |
| nigelb | I remember walking out of the flight into rain. | 01:34 |
| cjohnston | i do remember that | 01:34 |
| cjohnston | ejat: it didnt look like he got that | 01:34 |
| ejat | cjohnston :) | 01:34 |
| cjohnston | pleia2: did that guy ever get his ltp working | 01:35 |
| ejat | brb | 01:37 |
| pleia2 | cjohnston: heh, he disappears often, hoping he'll be at the mt view ubuntu hour tonight so I can force him to try it again ;) | 01:47 |
| nigelb | heh | 01:47 |
| cjohnston | ok | 01:47 |
| cjohnston | you should be able to tell by seeing if he shows up in the 'team' list when you go to edit the team | 01:47 |
| pleia2 | yeah, he does now | 01:48 |
| cjohnston | say to add a contact or if you tried making him a meeting chair | 01:48 |
| cjohnston | then it should be good pleia2 | 01:48 |
| pleia2 | I think I need to do the "loco.ubuntu.com people are community and don't hate you" talk again to my team | 01:48 |
| cjohnston | why now | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | "it never works" if they can't log in once | 01:49 |
| cjohnston | lol | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | "first it was the wiki, now loco, canonical must hate loco teams!" | 01:49 |
| * pleia2 facepalm | 01:49 | |
| nigelb | bah! | 01:50 |
| * pleia2 is on a train \o/ | 01:51 | |
| cjohnston | locos hate loco teams? | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | loco.ubuntu.com | 01:53 |
| pleia2 | but probably that too ;) | 01:54 |
| mhall119 | nobody says they can't use the wiki, if they like beating themselves for no reason.... | 02:12 |
| nigelb | heh | 02:12 |
| doctormon | mhall119: I don't understand | 02:49 |
| doctormon | did any of you fine people try groundcontrol in oneiric? | 02:51 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: what don't you understand? | 03:23 |
| doctormon | mhall119: Your double negative sentence. It says: "Anyone says they can use the wiki, if they like beating themselves for no reason..." | 03:28 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yes, that is still accurate | 03:42 |
| doctormon | mhall119: My parsing is failing me, can you help me by rewording it? | 03:43 |
| mhall119 | nobody is saying (they can't use the wiki) | 03:43 |
| mhall119 | count("Don't use the wiki!") == 0 | 03:44 |
| mhall119 | `grep -Rnic "don't use the wiki" /` eq 0 | 03:44 |
| doctormon | count("Don't use the wiki as a database!") == 1 | 03:45 |
| mhall119 | the wiki is a database | 03:45 |
| doctormon | So why would people beat themselves? | 03:45 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: if they like to use the wiki for storing descrete data, they are probably masochists | 03:46 |
| doctormon | mhall119: That's not a database it's a scratch pad with style ;-) | 03:46 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: ah, from the UI it is a scratchpad, from the code it is a database | 03:46 |
| mhall119 | and it happens to be very bad at both | 03:47 |
| doctormon | mhall119: I'm sure even angry birds has a database in there somewhere, I wouldn't use it to store user data :-P | 03:47 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: I'm betting Rovio does though ;) | 03:47 |
| doctormon | So I take it your not a fan of the wiki for decreat data mhall119? | 03:48 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yes, mostly because it's a one-way street | 03:49 |
| doctormon | I just don't like it because it's got the design of a warthog, it's as flexible as a hammer, as fast as a sleeping snail and is a crutch for a real solution to data problems we have in the community. | 03:50 |
| mhall119 | heh, so we agree | 03:51 |
| doctormon | How long did we suffer the wiki before we finally got the loco directory. | 03:51 |
| mhall119 | too long | 03:51 |
| doctormon | agreed | 03:51 |
| mhall119 | we still suffer the wiki because we don't have a team reports app | 03:51 |
| doctormon | soon I'm sure. | 03:51 |
| mhall119 | only if we get more hands | 03:52 |
| doctormon | I just added the loco-portal project using ground control, ACE. | 03:52 |
| mhall119 | we can barely do what we want with LTP and Summit | 03:52 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: nice | 03:52 |
| doctormon | If I can get some more support for ground control, we could provide the developer tool to get more people involved in the website work. | 03:52 |
| doctormon | All that's needed is a text editor and the ability to start the server. | 03:52 |
| mhall119 | I need a weekend where I can hack LTP data into Meetingology | 03:53 |
| doctormon | what's that? | 03:54 |
| mhall119 | that's AlanBell's new meeting bot | 03:54 |
| doctormon | mhall119: So you'll get meeting logs to go to the loco directory directly? | 04:01 |
| nigelb | mhall119: zomg. You're on bash.org! | 04:20 |
| nigelb | http://bash.org/?945304 | 04:20 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: lol, that was a while ago | 04:22 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: we already have links to the logs | 04:22 |
| mhall119 | I'm thinking of getting the agenda into meetingology | 04:22 |
| nigelb | heh | 04:22 |
| nigelb | Oh god. Taxi in 2.5 hours. Need to finish packing. | 04:23 |
| doctormon | interesting, anything to exorcise the wiki from day to day use :-D | 04:23 |
| bkerensa | Good Night Ladies and Gents! | 06:22 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:43 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:46 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: aloha there hows you | 07:46 |
| dholbach | hey czajkowski | 07:47 |
| dholbach | a bit tired to be honest - I don't know why, but I feel like I woke up 500 times tonight | 07:47 |
| dholbach | how about you? | 07:48 |
| czajkowski | about the same went to bed at 11 but up at 12 -4 and then finally nodded off about 5 :/ | 07:50 |
| czajkowski | it's going to be a long day | 07:50 |
| dholbach | yes | 07:51 |
| * dholbach gets another espresso | 07:51 | |
| popey | morning | 07:59 |
| czajkowski | jussi: gives a shout when you're about will you please. | 08:10 |
| popey | i think he's taking a break isnt he? | 08:15 |
| popey | oh, he was around yesterday | 08:15 |
| popey | ignore me ☺ | 08:15 |
| huats | morning popey ! | 08:36 |
| popey | morning huats | 08:37 |
| alourie | good morning | 08:39 |
| jussi | czajkowski: yes? | 08:44 |
| czajkowski | jussi: can you fix the factoid please | 08:45 |
| jussi | czajkowski: sorry, no. If it doesnt sync to ubot4, only jpds can fixor it. :( | 08:45 |
| czajkowski | bots and me fail! | 08:46 |
| czajkowski | jussi: cheers | 08:46 |
| AlecTaylor | I am trying to model a collection of systems, their various interconnections, as well as their internal logical structures, as a message is passed through them, initiated by an actor. Is BPMN the right notation, and am I using it right? - http://i39.tinypic.com/16iut1d.png | 09:12 |
| nigelb | Hello! | 09:25 |
| * nigelb waves from airport | 09:25 | |
| * AlecTaylor waves back | 09:25 | |
| AlecTaylor | hi | 09:46 |
| AlecTaylor | I am trying to model a collection of systems, their various interconnections, as well as their internal logical structures, as a message is passed through them, initiated by an actor. Is BPMN the right notation, and am I using it right? - http://i.stack.imgur.com/r9741.png | 09:46 |
| AlanBell | AlecTaylor: not sure this is the right place to ask that | 09:47 |
| jussi | AlecTaylor: you are probably asking in the wrong place. perhaps #ubuntu-app-devel might be better? | 09:47 |
| jussi | hehe | 09:47 |
| AlecTaylor | asked there :P | 09:48 |
| jussi | AlecTaylor: ok. crossposting is generally frowned upon, so you may want to just be patient. | 09:49 |
| AlecTaylor | You asked me to post there! | 09:49 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| AlanBell | AlecTaylor: thats fine | 09:51 |
| AlanBell | AlecTaylor: what has it got to do with Ubuntu though? | 09:51 |
| AlecTaylor | Ubuntu was designed, Ubuntu designs various softare and architectures | 09:52 |
| AlecTaylor | So I thought they may have some tips! | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | I would have thought BPM diagrams and swimlane stuff would be interesting discussions for a BPM forum or ISO 9000 area or something | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | wasn't really designed using a process approach though | 09:52 |
| dholbach | Sunday is UCADay! | 10:06 |
| AlecTaylor | AlanBell: Have a specific one to suggest? | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | not really, I don't do that any more | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | and the number of people in the open source world that would have a clue what you are on about is pretty small | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | there is a jbpm project that Alfresco includes and OpenERP has some BPM tools in it, you won't get much help on either of those in the Ubuntu channels though | 10:33 |
| AlecTaylor | mm | 10:40 |
| danilos | jcastro, hi, who can restore my admin privileges on summit.ubuntu.com? (actually, summit.linaro.org) | 13:02 |
| mhall119 | danilos: what do you need admin privileges for? | 13:26 |
| danilos | mhall119, we want to use summit.linaro.org to start preparing for our next Connect coming up in early February | 13:27 |
| mhall119 | danilos: oh, ok | 13:28 |
| mhall119 | danilos: do you need access to just the schedule data, or do you need the access to the sponsorship too? | 13:29 |
| AlanBell | oh, linaro are not doing May? | 13:30 |
| AlanBell | or are they doing quarterly connects now? | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: they have a shorter cadence | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | 4 months I think | 13:30 |
| danilos | mhall119, I don't need access to sponsorship stuff right now | 13:31 |
| mhall119 | danilos: check your access now | 13:31 |
| danilos | AlanBell, mhall119: yeah, we do them quarterly, there'll be another one in May | 13:31 |
| AlanBell | ok, we won't do breaky stuff with the etherpad bit when you are in mid-connect then ;) | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | nigelb: ^^ | 13:32 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: ^^ as well | 13:32 |
| danilos | mhall119, if I just create a linaro 'summit', how bad is it going to be if it shows up on summit.ubuntu.com? should we perhaps look for a different deployment instead? | 13:32 |
| Daviey | danilos: linaro don't use sponsorship through summit do they? | 13:32 |
| danilos | Daviey, I don't know that much | 13:32 |
| mhall119 | danilos: depends on how much coding work you can put into summit between now and then | 13:33 |
| Daviey | danilos: How familar are you with summit? | 13:33 |
| danilos | Daviey, I've only done one non-trivial change to the code so far | 13:34 |
| danilos | mhall119, I don't expect us to be able to put much effort in, fwiw | 13:34 |
| mhall119 | danilos: if you add a Linaro Connect to the system, it'll be displayed on summit.ubuntu.com's main page, but otherwise I don't think it will have any adverse effects | 13:35 |
| mhall119 | uds.ubuntu.com will still link to /uds-p/, so that's good | 13:35 |
| danilos | mhall119, right, that's what I thought, how bad would that be for ubuntu | 13:35 |
| mhall119 | danilos: not bad, and we could get a fix for that relatively easily | 13:36 |
| mhall119 | danilos: but we'll be deploying some fixes, for both Ubuntu and Linaro, between now and Feb. | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | we also have a planned upgrade to django 1.3 sometime soon | 13:37 |
| danilos | mhall119, right, we are fine with fixes which don't break stuff :) | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | just warning you, there's a chance of short down times when we do them | 13:38 |
| danilos | mhall119, as for upgrade, that's fine, but let's not do it too close to February (if it can happen this year, it'd be good) | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | danilos: we're going to do that one as soon as IS is ready | 13:38 |
| danilos | mhall119, ah, ok, that sounds good then | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: ping | 13:43 |
| cjohnston | danilos: i was told by multiple other people that you guys wouldn't be using summit in Feb.. Has that changed? | 14:11 |
| danilos | cjohnston, hum, I am surprised about that, since people who are running the connect are asking me for it | 14:37 |
| cjohnston | dunno | 14:38 |
| scott-work | jcastro: how can i get get a burndown page like yours (http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/jorge.html) ? | 14:50 |
| jcastro | ok so it was explained to me that you needt o be in a group | 14:51 |
| jcastro | and then cjohnston said that we can't make more groups because the server gets overload | 14:51 |
| jcastro | you know, we should charm->EC2 this bad boy. | 14:51 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: if only we knew someone involved with juju that could do that for us.... | 14:54 |
| marcoceppi | Charming status would be epic. | 14:55 |
| marcoceppi | IMO | 14:55 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: then convince IS to point a *.ubuntu.com domain to an AWS IP address | 14:56 |
| * jcastro whistles | 14:56 | |
| jcastro | how about just | 14:59 |
| jcastro | setting one up | 14:59 |
| jcastro | for the people who can't be on status.u.c? | 14:59 |
| dholbach | james_w, would you mind if I take over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News and replace it with submissions procedures and the like? | 15:03 |
| jcastro | DANIEL. | 15:03 |
| jcastro | (Hi.) | 15:03 |
| dholbach | HEY JORGE | 15:04 |
| dholbach | HOW ARE YOU DOING????? | 15:04 |
| jcastro | good | 15:04 |
| dholbach | excellent :) | 15:04 |
| james_w | Not at all | 15:04 |
| dholbach | merci bien | 15:04 |
| scott-work | you down with entropy? ya, you know me | 15:16 |
| dholbach | everybody got UCADay in their calendar for sunday? :) | 15:24 |
| akgraner | ashams, see I told ya! ^^^^ | 15:37 |
| ashams | yeah, you were absolutely correct ;D | 15:39 |
| jcastro | Joeb454: around? | 16:56 |
| dholbach | hey jono | 17:08 |
| jono | hey dholbach | 17:09 |
| dholbach | have a great weekend everyone - see you all next week! | 17:09 |
| dholbach | and don't forget UCADay on Sunday! | 17:09 |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 17:09 | |
| technoviking | wish I could quit for the day 7 minutes after my boss shows up:) | 17:17 |
| pleia2 | so, someone else owns twitter.com/xubuntu (never tweeted), but twitter claims they "may" respect trademarks, canonical owns the trademark, how/who does the xubuntu team need to nudge to at canonical to get help with this? | 18:23 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: trademark@ubuntu.com might work took me about two days to get a response or perhaps https://forms.canonical.com/trademark/ | 18:28 |
| * nigelb waves | 18:29 | |
| bkerensa | hi nigelb | 18:29 |
| nigelb | hey | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: thanks, I'm familiar with those, was hoping for a more human response that would help me determine whether it's even worth bothering :) | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | but if it only takes a couple days for a response that's not so bad (it used to be a black hole) | 18:30 |
| greg-g | hah | 18:30 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Have you talked to anyone at Twitter? I hear they can take months if not longer to address issues and enforce their own policies | 18:30 |
| bkerensa | black holes are fun :D | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: no, and that's the reason for the "may" in my comment ;) | 18:31 |
| greg-g | sometimes a legal dept to legal dept process can be quicker | 18:31 |
| greg-g | *sometimes* | 18:31 |
| greg-g | (as opposed to their usual customer service route) | 18:31 |
| bkerensa | On another note does anyone know if it is possible to get the Ubuntu banner layouts? I am going to be making a banner and hope to use the official design... Were doing a big event the first week of Dec | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: I'd ask in #ubuntu-design | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | they've been helpful with my recent requests for things like that | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | (takes a few days, but they can usually dig out the artwork I need eventually :)) | 18:33 |
| bkerensa | cool :D | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | of course it's friday and they all live in the UK | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | doh :) | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | :P | 18:35 |
| bkerensa | It could be worse... You could be approached by Debian people to put together a venue with food and beverage for two days from 9am to 5pm =o | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | with just two weeks to work with :P | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | they can approach all they want, that's not going to happen :) | 18:37 |
| bkerensa | well luckily I was able to get PuppetLabs to sign off on venue now just trying to raise enough money to feed 25 people for 3 meals for two days =/ | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | I love Debian people (mostly I'm one of them) but too many of them have little to no respect for people who do non-developer stuff, "It's easy to do that stuff! they only need 2 weeks!" and I try not to help them with this illusion ;) | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | it is nice that they've opened up NM though <3 | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Yeah magic does not happen in two weeks so they will get whatever I can serve up | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | puppetlabs is awesome, you have a really great relationship going on up there, kudos :) | 18:41 |
| Pendulum | bkerensa: 3 meals a day? | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: PuppetLabs is good people | 18:42 |
| Pendulum | if I heard 9-5 for hours on something I'd assume that it might include lunch and snacks | 18:43 |
| akgraner | +1 on puppetlabs and good peoples! | 18:43 |
| Pendulum | not breakfast and dinner as well | 18:43 |
| bkerensa | Pendulum: Well I guess two since it will start at a little after breakfast | 18:43 |
| Pendulum | (and I've been to plenty of events where lunch was up to us to find, but that only works if there's food close to the venue) | 18:44 |
| akgraner | was working on my UCADay stuff and it was sounding like an acceptance speech and next I'd like to thank...boring - so I changed my thought process to how would jcastro write this - muahahaha....:-) | 18:45 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 18:45 |
| cprofitt | lol | 18:45 |
| cprofitt | good thinking akgraner | 18:45 |
| bkerensa | Pendulum: Geeks up here are spoiled unfortunately.... I was very surprised that people showed for the Ocelot release since it wasnt catered | 18:46 |
| bkerensa | akgraner: I'm making cards for every member who came to any of the last three events or meetings | 18:46 |
| akgraner | yeah - I screwed up something else I was working so - I decided to work on something else for a few minutes...this has not been my finest week as far as productivity and I go... | 18:46 |
| bkerensa | for UCaday | 18:46 |
| akgraner | bkerensa, sounds cool... | 18:47 |
| akgraner | I don't know what all I am going to to besides blog and email people...but I think it's going to be fun reading what people write and stuff | 18:49 |
| akgraner | pleia2, you know if people post a lot of stuff we'll be adding a ton of links to UWN :-) yay | 18:49 |
| * pleia2 has totally ignored UWN this week | 18:50 | |
| pleia2 | :\ | 18:50 |
| pleia2 | rough week, I'll have some time this evening though | 18:50 |
| akgraner | I looked at it and thought I need to add some links will do that tomorrow though | 18:50 |
| akgraner | pleia2, no worries :-) | 18:51 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 21:25 |
| doctormon | Mem is fun http://doctormo.org/2011/11/18/chucks-away/ | 22:26 |
| akgraner | jcastro where does one go to see all the charms that have been written so far? | 22:27 |
| jcastro | http://charms.kapilt.com/ | 22:35 |
| jcastro | temporary | 22:35 |
| jcastro | those are the accepted ones | 22:35 |
| jcastro | the rest are in lp:charm | 22:35 |
| technoviking | in Iain Farrell still at Canonical? | 23:10 |
| nigelb | technoviking: Nope. | 23:17 |
| technoviking | nigelb: thanks | 23:18 |
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