[02:27] the 4digits game developer says he'd love to work with community designers on improving his game [03:10] Anyone seen this before: http://getskeleton.com/ [03:10] wendar: That's great. [07:17] hi [07:46] good morning [09:05] Morning dholbach. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === johnoxton_ is now known as johnoxton === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:39] afternoon all [14:41] any more items for the design tools wishlist? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Wishlist [15:24] AlanBell: have you seen xScope for Mac? [15:25] AlanBell: http://iconfactory.com/software/xscope [15:31] yaili: That tool might be good but the site is horrible. [15:32] mainerror: I don't think that's what we're discussing here [15:34] I know. Just wanted to say. It took me ages to understand what the tool is about. [15:36] AlanBell I am not sure if it really falls under design but there are some UX tools we'd love [15:37] AlanBell the key one being something like http://www.optimalworkshop.com/optimalsort.htm [15:38] and http://www.optimalworkshop.com/treejack.htm [15:38] JohnLea, Hi! about bug 804021 was there any specific reason for the current behavior. I noted MeeGo(netbook) had a similar behavior i.e. delay to display the tooltip but then in an update they changed the behavior to real time tooltips. I personally preferred the old behavior [15:39] johnoxton: Those are great! [15:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/804021 [15:40] this channel needs a bugbot [15:41] om26er; yes, if there is no delay the tooltip flashes up all the time in a very annoying manner [15:41] mainerror: yeah, I love them. Just the pricing model I hate :) [15:41] yaili: I think there are compiz plugins for most of what xscope does [15:41] om26er; if it was as the bug is requesting, we would have another bug with even more people complaining and asking for a delay to be added ;-) [15:42] cjohnston: can you get us a bug bot for this channel? [15:42] JohnLea, fair enough we might want to experiment with a lower tooltip reveal time though, might feel better ;-) [15:45] AlanBell: ok [15:45] nuthinking, You designed the accordion in Unity launcher, was there any specific reason for accordion to only take place on the bottom and not at the top as in Ubuntu 10.10 ? [15:46] the optimal workshop stuff looks interesting [15:46] this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/772792 argues against the current behavior and as now I read on a report unpinned apps will also remember their position in the launcher wont the only argument for removing accordion on the top fail? [15:49] yaili: there is the enhanced zoom plugin, the resize info plugin [15:51] window rules doesn't do what I thought it did :) it doesn't make rulers on screen [15:52] there is also the very good colour filter plugin that allows you to test designs for colour blindness profiles [15:52] deuteranopia and protanopia filters are the two main colour blindess filter options [15:59] johnoxton: I agree their pricing model sucks. [16:00] AlanBell: Color Oracle works on Linux too, no? [16:01] bug 804021 [16:01] Launchpad bug 804021 in unity (Ubuntu) "launcher tooltip delay is useless and gives the impression as if the launcher is not responding" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804021 [16:01] \o/ [16:01] works for now [16:02] yaili: I don't know what that is. Oracle is a database to me! [16:03] AlanBell: :D http://colororacle.cartography.ch/ [16:03] oh right, same thing as the compiz filters [16:05] Does anyone see a license notice or something for Color Oracle? [16:06] mainerror: more important than the pricing model is the ability to adapt it [16:07] free, but non-Free from what I can tell [16:09] and it has a university copyright which usually means the authors will abandon it at the end of the academic year [16:13] johnoxton: I can see some of that cardsort stuff working well as desktop applications [16:14] AlanBell agreed a desktop top app would be lovely too one of the things I am interested in is being able to do it remotley. [16:16] ooh, that might tie in with doctormo's thoughts on an etherpad/svgedit mashup [16:18] I guess you sometimes want to do the remote stuff with the last remaining people not using Ubuntu yet too [16:19] :) [16:19] Something of a distraction but I'd like to design card sorting as a game… but I'll pocket that thought for another day [16:20] yes, I was thinking of using the solitaire framework or pygame cards to do that [16:22] AlanBell: Well, I'd certainly be up for that conversation if people are interested in doing it [16:24] I added a card sorting tool https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Wishlist [18:19] is there any approach to implement window tiling in unity? I know that it has put compiz plugin that "emulate" tiling but it isn't good if compare with a real window tiling [18:33] Does anyone by chance have copies of the Ubuntu banner layouts that is used for printing the banners given to approved LoCo's? [18:33] I suggested bkerensa join here and ask [18:58] bkerensa: If at all I guess over at http://spreadubuntu.org/ [18:58] Well maybe not there but it should be there. [18:59] the one here is the one he's looking for: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca/6087644982/ [18:59] yeah its not there... I think Canonical has the design [19:00] the big orange one canonical sends to approved teams [19:04] Oh! [19:05] bkerensa: I'll ask sladen, he'll at least know or be able to find out who to ask [19:05] kk [19:06] bkerensa: it's Friday evening in the UK, though, so things'll be shutting down [19:06] bkerensa: do you need it before Monday? [19:06] no monday will work :D [19:11] bkerensa: cool [19:11] sladen usually has me submit a bug report for such things, lemme get a link... [19:12] bkerensa: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=Publish+Ubuntu+Banner+SVG [19:12] that will make him happy :) [19:19] pleia2: good idea :) [19:20] * AlanBell wonders if they got the logo the right way up on the vertical banners at uds-p [19:21] AlanBell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326040791/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326784728/ [19:22] actually this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326785476/in/photostream/ [19:22] they did some with the logo rotated along with the text, which it shouldn't do [19:22] logo should always have a gap at 3 O'Clock [19:22] ah, interesting [19:31] AlanBell: I think it is correct the way it is. People tend to walk with their head in a comfortable position which is the normal head position. So the logo had to be recognizable from that angle. [19:33] You don't turn your head 90 degrees on the X axis just to recognize the logo. :D [19:42] mainerror: indeed, just I happen to know they did make some vertical banners that were wrong [19:43] there is a page about it in the branding guide [20:53] according “More on-screen measurements” from Wishlist: there is KRuler in Ubuntu repos, also couple Opera widgets: http://widgets.opera.com/search/?order=name&q=ruler [21:37] !info kruler [21:38] < lubotu3`> kruler (source: kdegraphics): screen ruler for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.6.5-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 103 kB, installed size 412 kB [21:39] http://kde.org/applications/graphics/kruler/ [21:41] looks quite nice, but is KDE [21:46] AlanBell: Gnome Screen Ruler is not in 11.10 repos https://launchpad.net/screenruler [21:51] interesting [21:51] that would be a good thing to get in for precise [21:58] AlanBell: Sounds easy