[02:27] <wendar> the 4digits game developer says he'd love to work with community designers on improving his game
[03:10] <doctormon> Anyone seen this before: http://getskeleton.com/
[03:10] <doctormon> wendar: That's great.
[07:17] <YoBoY> hi
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:05] <mainerror> Morning dholbach.
[14:39] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[14:41] <AlanBell> any more items for the design tools wishlist? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Wishlist
[15:24] <yaili> AlanBell: have you seen xScope for Mac?
[15:25] <yaili> AlanBell: http://iconfactory.com/software/xscope
[15:31] <mainerror> yaili: That tool might be good but the site is horrible.
[15:32] <yaili> mainerror: I don't think that's what we're discussing here
[15:34] <mainerror> I know. Just wanted to say. It took me ages to understand what the tool is about.
[15:36] <johnoxton> AlanBell I am not sure if it really falls under design but there are some UX tools we'd love
[15:37] <johnoxton> AlanBell the key one being something like http://www.optimalworkshop.com/optimalsort.htm
[15:38] <johnoxton> and http://www.optimalworkshop.com/treejack.htm
[15:38] <om26er> JohnLea, Hi! about bug 804021 was there any specific reason for the current behavior. I noted MeeGo(netbook) had a similar behavior i.e. delay to display the tooltip but then in an update they changed the behavior to real time tooltips. I personally preferred the old behavior
[15:39] <mainerror> johnoxton: Those are great!
[15:40] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/804021
[15:40] <om26er> this channel needs a bugbot
[15:41] <JohnLea> om26er; yes, if there is no delay the tooltip flashes up all the time in a very annoying manner
[15:41] <johnoxton> mainerror: yeah, I love them. Just the pricing model I hate :)
[15:41] <AlanBell> yaili: I think there are compiz plugins for most of what xscope does
[15:41] <JohnLea> om26er; if it was as the bug is requesting, we would have another bug with even more people complaining and asking for a delay to be added ;-)
[15:42] <mhall119> cjohnston: can you get us a bug bot for this channel?
[15:42] <om26er> JohnLea, fair enough we might want to experiment with a lower tooltip reveal time though, might feel better ;-)
[15:45] <yaili> AlanBell: ok
[15:45] <om26er> nuthinking, You designed the accordion in Unity launcher, was there any specific reason for accordion to only take place on the bottom and not at the top as in  Ubuntu 10.10 ?
[15:46] <AlanBell> the optimal workshop stuff looks interesting
[15:46] <om26er> this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/772792 argues against the current behavior and as now I read on a report unpinned apps will also remember their position in the launcher wont the only argument for removing accordion on the top fail?
[15:49] <AlanBell> yaili: there is the enhanced zoom plugin, the resize info plugin
[15:51] <AlanBell> window rules doesn't do what I thought it did :) it doesn't make rulers on screen
[15:52] <AlanBell> there is also the very good colour filter plugin that allows you to test designs for colour blindness profiles
[15:52] <AlanBell> deuteranopia and protanopia filters are the two main colour blindess filter options
[15:59] <mainerror> johnoxton: I agree their pricing model sucks.
[16:00] <yaili> AlanBell: Color Oracle works on Linux too, no?
[16:01] <cjohnston> bug 804021
[16:01] <webbugs> Launchpad bug 804021 in unity (Ubuntu) "launcher tooltip delay is useless and gives the impression as if the launcher is not responding" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804021
[16:01] <mhall119> \o/
[16:01] <cjohnston> works for now
[16:02] <AlanBell> yaili: I don't know what that is. Oracle is a database to me!
[16:03] <yaili> AlanBell: :D http://colororacle.cartography.ch/
[16:03] <AlanBell> oh right, same thing as the compiz filters
[16:05] <mainerror> Does anyone see a license notice or something for Color Oracle?
[16:06] <AlanBell> mainerror: more important than the pricing model is the ability to adapt it
[16:07] <AlanBell> free, but non-Free from what I can tell
[16:09] <AlanBell> and it has a university copyright which usually means the authors will abandon it at the end of the academic year
[16:13] <AlanBell> johnoxton: I can see some of that cardsort stuff working well as desktop applications
[16:14] <johnoxton> AlanBell agreed a desktop top app would be lovely too one of the things I am interested in is being able to do it remotley.
[16:16] <AlanBell> ooh, that might tie in with doctormo's thoughts on an etherpad/svgedit mashup
[16:18] <AlanBell> I guess you sometimes want to do the remote stuff with the last remaining people not using Ubuntu yet too
[16:19] <johnoxton> :)
[16:19] <johnoxton> Something of a distraction but I'd like to design card sorting as a game… but I'll pocket that thought for another day
[16:20] <AlanBell> yes, I was thinking of using the solitaire framework or pygame cards to do that
[16:22] <johnoxton> AlanBell: Well, I'd certainly be up for that conversation if people are interested in doing it
[16:24] <AlanBell> I added a card sorting tool https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Wishlist
[18:19] <mfilipe> is there any approach to implement window tiling in unity? I know that it has put compiz plugin that "emulate" tiling but it isn't good if compare with a real window tiling
[18:33] <bkerensa> Does anyone by chance have copies of the Ubuntu banner layouts that is used for printing the banners given to approved LoCo's?
[18:33] <pleia2> I suggested bkerensa join here and ask
[18:58] <mainerror> bkerensa: If at all I guess over at http://spreadubuntu.org/
[18:58] <mainerror> Well maybe not there but it should be there.
[18:59] <pleia2> the one here is the one he's looking for: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca/6087644982/
[18:59] <bkerensa> yeah its not there... I think Canonical has the design
[19:00] <pleia2> the big orange one canonical sends to approved teams
[19:04] <mainerror> Oh!
[19:05] <wendar> bkerensa: I'll ask sladen, he'll at least know or be able to find out who to ask
[19:05] <bkerensa> kk
[19:06] <wendar> bkerensa: it's Friday evening in the UK, though, so things'll be shutting down
[19:06] <wendar> bkerensa: do you need it before Monday?
[19:06] <bkerensa> no monday will work :D
[19:11] <wendar> bkerensa: cool
[19:11] <pleia2> sladen usually has me submit a bug report for such things, lemme get a link...
[19:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=Publish+Ubuntu+Banner+SVG
[19:12] <pleia2> that will make him happy :)
[19:19] <wendar> pleia2: good idea :)
[19:20]  * AlanBell wonders if they got the logo the right way up on the vertical banners at uds-p
[19:21] <pleia2> AlanBell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326040791/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326784728/
[19:22] <AlanBell> actually this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6326785476/in/photostream/
[19:22] <AlanBell> they did some with the logo rotated along with the text, which it shouldn't do
[19:22] <AlanBell> logo should always have a gap at 3 O'Clock
[19:22] <pleia2> ah, interesting
[19:31] <mainerror> AlanBell: I think it is correct the way it is. People tend to walk with their head in a comfortable position which is the normal head position. So the logo had to be recognizable from that angle.
[19:33] <mainerror> You don't turn your head 90 degrees on the X axis just to recognize the logo. :D
[19:42] <AlanBell> mainerror: indeed, just I happen to know they did make some vertical banners that were wrong
[19:43] <AlanBell> there is a page about it in the branding guide
[20:53] <mmiicc> according “More on-screen measurements” from Wishlist: there is KRuler in Ubuntu repos, also couple Opera widgets:  http://widgets.opera.com/search/?order=name&q=ruler
[21:37] <AlanBell> !info kruler
[21:38] <AlanBell> < lubotu3`> kruler (source: kdegraphics): screen ruler for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.6.5-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 103 kB, installed size 412 kB
[21:39] <AlanBell> http://kde.org/applications/graphics/kruler/
[21:41] <AlanBell> looks quite nice, but is KDE
[21:46] <mmiicc> AlanBell: Gnome Screen Ruler is not in 11.10 repos https://launchpad.net/screenruler
[21:51] <AlanBell> interesting
[21:51] <AlanBell> that would be a good thing to get in for precise
[21:58] <doctormon> AlanBell: Sounds easy