[00:55] <desrt> robert_ancell: hey!
[00:55] <robert_ancell> desrt, howdy!
[00:55] <desrt> you're a hard man to get a hold of from europe :)
[00:56] <desrt> i just landed a bunch of changes on glib to deal with opening up the gsettingsschema API some more
[00:56] <desrt> the eventual goal is that dconf-editor need not parse xml
[00:56] <desrt> would be cool if i could get some info about what you need, precisely
[00:56] <robert_ancell> desrt, it was always planned that way :)
[00:57] <desrt> the GSettingsSchemaKey structure is planned to be opened up
[00:57] <desrt> with various getters
[00:57] <desrt> i wish-list in the form of a bug would be great
[00:58] <desrt> no sense opening what is not needed
[00:58] <robert_ancell> desrt, ok, I'll open on against glib?
[00:58] <desrt> for the summary/description stuff i'm considering creating a separate cache file for those
[00:58] <desrt> that is opened only if you request
[00:58] <desrt> yup
[02:38] <TheMuso> Ugh. Network-manager and policykit are not playing nice with each other. Just tried to join my wireless network in precise, was asked for my psasword, but authentication failed for some reason.
[02:38] <TheMuso> password even
[03:10] <robert_ancell> slangasek, does linux-pam have a mailing list / homepage?
[03:58] <cyphermox> TheMuso: yes, noticed that too
[03:59] <cyphermox> I will look into it tomorrow and  try to figure out how it can be fixed, but since NM didn't change I expect something's off in polkit
[04:00] <cyphermox> and on that note, /me goes back to bed
[04:16] <TheMuso> cyphermox: thought you knew already, thanks.
[05:03] <pitti> Good morning
[05:04] <pitti> robert_ancell, TheMuso: uh, what? changing seeds in a stable release? what do you want to do?
[05:04] <robert_ancell> pitti, I just noticed that ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on unity-greeter which is a big screw up...
[05:04] <pitti> lightdm does, though?
[05:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, no
[05:05] <pitti> Recommends: xserver-xorg, unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter
[05:05] <robert_ancell> (because it doesn't require a greeter)
[05:05] <pitti> that's what's pulling it into the default install
[05:05] <pitti> but right, it leaves open the possibility to uninstall it; I thought that was on purpose
[05:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, right, but some people are upgrading and not pulling in unity-greeter as it is only a recommend
[05:06] <robert_ancell> pitti, are there people who want the ubuntu-desktop package installed but not unity-greeter?
[05:06] <pitti> presumably not
[05:06] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell and RAOF , I moved kickoff meeting to Monday morning b/c thumper couldn't make today.
[05:06] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, np
[05:07] <robert_ancell> pitti, would it be hard to SRU a change like that?
[05:07] <RAOF> No problem.
[05:07] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell and RAOF were you able to dive in yet and see what you could do? RAOF were you able to connect with njpatel?
[05:07] <pitti> robert_ancell: so, for robustifying upgrades this could be done in theory, we just never changed a seed post-release so far
[05:07] <pitti> robert_ancell: technically not
[05:07] <pitti> as TheMuso says, you update the precise and oneiric seeds, regenerate ubuntu-meta, and upload as usual
[05:08] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: I haven't caught njpatel online yet; I have caught thumper and decided that https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-distro-priority/+bug/807921 seems like a bug that could usefully be tested.
[05:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 807921 in unity "Unity tooltips doesn't show Hebrew characters" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, right.  So I know how to update the seeds, but can I generate ubuntu-meta?
[05:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, bug 804171
[05:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804171 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-desktop package depends on lightdm but no greeter" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804171
[05:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: sure, apt-get source ubuntu-meta, ./update
[05:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: added o/p tasks
[05:11] <robert_ancell> pitti, what's the name of the seed branches again?
[05:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, found it
[05:15] <TheMuso> Anybody can generate ubuntu-meta, but then upload privileges apply of course.
[05:15] <TheMuso> pitti: Oh one questino for you before I sign off for the weekend. Do you knwo if we are going to be adjusting GTK3 packaging for multi-arch?
[05:16] <TheMuso> gah
[05:19] <pitti> TheMuso: I'm not sure, it's no small task due to all the plugins
[05:20] <pitti> nobody is working on it right now AFAIK
[05:20]  * TheMuso nods.
[05:20] <pitti> do we need it for anything particular?
[05:21] <TheMuso> No, but I wanted to know if it was on the agenda, because I enabled at-spi2-atk for multi-arch, forgetting that gtk3 was not multi-arched yet, untill I installed precise the other day, and had to use a symlink to hae the atk bridge module seen by GTK3.
[05:21] <TheMuso> So if its not on the agenda, I'll rever the multi-arch changes I made.
[05:21] <TheMuso> revert
[05:22] <broder> seems a little suckful to multiarch gtk2 and then regress that for gtk3
[05:24] <pitti> oh right, gtk2 is
[05:24] <pitti> so it shouldn't be that hard to apply that to 3, too
[05:31] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, so I ran ./update, then debuild -S -sa.  Do I just dput it?
[05:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: you need to adjust teh changelog a bit
[05:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: for -proposed, and adding the bug number
[05:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: but yes, just dput; it's nothing really magical, just an ordinary source package which just happens to have a few autogenerated files
[05:32] <robert_ancell> pitti, but for uploading to -proposed I need to modify the old 1.245 right
[05:32] <pitti> uh, no?
[05:32] <pitti> should be 1.245.1 or so
[05:33] <pitti> 1.245 is in oneiric final
[05:33] <robert_ancell> pitti, yeah, I'm running precise so I've pulled down all the recent changes.  I'll upload that one to precise, then I need to get the older version
[05:35] <pitti> ah, I misunderstood
[05:35] <pitti> robert_ancell: yes; pull-lp-source ubuntu-meta oneiric
[08:47] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:47] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:48] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, I'm fine and you?
[08:49] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'm great, thanks; had a fine hacking afternoon yesterday, continuing today
[08:49] <pitti> client-side apport duplicate checking making great progress
[08:50] <rodrigo_> cool :)
[08:57] <glatzor_> morning mvo
[08:57] <glatzor_> mvo, do you have got some minutes to discuss the mp?
[08:58] <mvo> glatzor_: sure
[08:59] <mvo> glatzor_: happy that you have a bit of time to look at it!
[09:01] <rodrigo_> hey glatzor_
[09:02] <rodrigo_> glatzor_, how's the PK API in aptdaemon going?
[09:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, fine. it is working. I updated my system today using gpk-update-viewer
[09:04] <rodrigo_> cool
[09:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, gpk-update-viewer still doesn't support markup correctly. so the changelogs lock a little bit odd
[09:04] <rodrigo_> I'll be adding a new method as soon as I'm done with its implementation in PK
[09:05] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, which method do you want to add?
[09:05] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, a new WhatProvides type?
[09:05] <rodrigo_> InstallResource, to install languages (for now)
[09:06] <mvo> glatzor_: is this in trunk already, i.e. should I upload a new aptdaemon :) ?
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:10] <rodrigo_> hi chrisccoulson
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:13] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, I'm fine, and you?
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, good thanks
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> oh, no seb yet?
[09:16] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: how's your ubuflu?
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: Seb is on holiday today
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. yeah, it's better this morning. i just wish i could shake this thing off my chest now :)
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: is there still something missing for your two drafted specs? they have WIs, but are still in "drafting"
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: (cf. my reminder mail from this morning)
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, i don't think there's anything missing
[09:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, perhaps you can check again and flip them to "review" when you are done?
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, done :)
[09:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "Make it possible to store collected adresses in EDS"/"Add functionality for creating addressbooks via EDS" -> will you actually work on that, or is that mconnor?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti, m_conley. it could be either of us though :)
[09:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: also, "Add overlay scrollbar support for Thunderbird (and Firefox):" -> I thought this was pretty much impossible, given that it's not real GTK widgets and we can't modify the sources so much?
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - right, it's going to be hard, but not impossible, and we need to do it at some point
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> this is why i've been careful not to give myself too many WI's this cycle :)
[09:26] <pitti> ok, if you actually want to work on this, it certainly sounds like a fun project
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:27] <pitti> I mean, working on code, not just packaging all the time
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's nice to do stuff other than packaging occasionally :)
[09:27] <pitti> so, both approved, thanks!
[09:27] <pitti> one to go, the default apps one
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:27] <pitti> jasoncwarner_ said this would land on Monday
[09:28] <pitti> and didrocks needs to approve one spec, but I figure he's on vac today, too
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> i need to start taking some friday's off. i've got 10 days left
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i think i've figured out my "suspend on resume" issue now
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure it's the same problem as other people, as my issue is clearly caused by this empty battery exposed by the kernel
[10:39] <pitti> I need to stop for today, travelling to Dresden
[10:40] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[10:41] <desrt> pitti: cheerio
[10:49] <rodrigo_> have a nice trip pitti
[10:50]  * desrt ponders turning gtkmenuitem on its head
[10:50] <desrt> ...or at least its side
[10:53] <rodrigo_> hey desrt
[10:54] <rodrigo_> need to run some errands, bbiab
[11:04] <glatzor_> rodrigo_, bzr branch lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/pkcompat2 and run sudo ./aptd -td -replace
[11:04] <glatzor_> enjoy yourself pitti
[11:43] <rodrigo_> glatzor_, ok
[13:07]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:25] <Poweris> Hi
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[15:17] <Sweetshark> anyone knowing how the per-diems for uds work, please pm me
[15:19] <desrt> Sweetshark: 27 and 16
[15:20]  * desrt skips the pm to save you from getting messages about it for the next 20 minutes
[15:22]  * kenvandine is really surprised that we have only had one bug filed against the clutter-gst package... like ever
[15:33] <Sweetshark> desrt: thanks for the info ;)
[16:50] <pitti> mterry: ah, diving into stable +1 team? (just saw your transition uploads)
[16:51] <mterry> pitti, yeah, I've been doing it for a while.  Mostly ftbfs and nbs stuff.  Happy as a clam  :)
[16:52] <pitti> mterry: feels good to keep a tidy house^Warchive, doesn't it? :-)
[16:54] <mterry> Yeah, driving numbers down to zero is always satisfying
[17:11] <pitti> bye everyone, have a nice weekend!
[17:15] <kenvandine> you too pitti!
[18:03] <rodrigo_> ok, out for the day, have a nice weekend!