[00:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[00:00] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for Thursday, November 17th. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:00] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:00] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:01] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:01] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:01] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:01] <pleia2> looks like kdub isn't here
[00:01] <pleia2> Resistance: are you here?
[00:01] <Resistance> affirmitive, standby 2 mins
[00:01] <pleia2> Resistance: please go ahead and introduce yourself when you're ready :)
[00:02] <marcoceppi> Hello!
[00:02] <jrgifford> Hallo!
[00:02]  * jrgifford is here in support of Resistance
[00:03] <Oli> Wooooooo! (also here for Resistance!)
[00:03] <pleia2> great :)
[00:03] <Resistance> Firstly, i apologizing for holding everything up for two minutes, i happened to be in the midst of a phone call at the time.
[00:03] <marcoceppi> I am also!
[00:03] <mainerror> Same here!
[00:03] <jrgifford> Resistance: you gambled you had a guy in front of you, didn't you? :P
[00:03] <Oli> Well I'm playing SpaceChem. So there.
[00:04] <marcoceppi> In support of resistance sending support via mobile phone
[00:04]  * greg-g waves
[00:05] <Resistance> Secondly, allow me to introduce myself.  My name, as my wiki page states (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Thomas%20Ward), is Thomas Ward.  I have been working with Ubuntu since the release of Jaunty (9.04), both receiving and providing support.  Initially starting out from the Ubuntu Forums, and providing support to users of Dell systems with Ubuntu, as I use Dell systems, I eventually began assisting with more complex
[00:05] <Resistance> issues. ...
[00:06] <cyphermox> yeah! /me loves Dell hardware for Ubuntu, generally
[00:07] <pleia2> Resistance: oh! I didn't realize who you were, bah nick changes :)
[00:07] <pleia2> (I recognised your real name, was trying to remember why)
[00:07] <Resistance> pleia2:  aye, I'm a member of the PA Loco Team :P
[00:08] <Resistance> I have been, as of late, working on increasing my technical knowledge of Packaging for Ubuntu, and recently gave a session to people on the AskUbuntu site regarding the basics of packaging and what is necessary to get started.
[00:08] <greg-g> Resistance: could you link to that session, I'm curious!
[00:08] <pleia2> wow, nice work on askubuntu
[00:09] <Resistance> greg-g:  if you can give me two minutes to dig up the links, sure.
[00:09] <Oli> It's in the testimonials
[00:09] <pleia2> Resistance: any plans to get Pittsburgh area going with some release parties? :)
[00:09] <Oli> http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/663
[00:09] <Resistance> oh, Oli beat me to it :P
[00:09] <greg-g> Oli: oh, thanks :)
[00:10] <Resistance> pleia2:  i've actually been more active in the Harrisburg area as my studies have taken me to Penn State, Harrisburg Campus, for the Security and Risk Analysis, Cyber Security Focus, degree.
[00:10] <pleia2> ah, cool
[00:10] <pleia2> shame the harrisburg open source conference was canceled this year :(
[00:11] <Resistance> Indeed.  If it had not been canceled, I would likely have attended.
[00:11] <n0rman> great work Resistance
[00:11] <Resistance> thank you, n0rman.
[00:12] <n0rman> Resistance: so you are not collaborating with any LoCo Team ?
[00:12] <pleia2> #voters greg-g pleia2 n0rman cyphermox
[00:12] <meetingology> Current voters: cyphermox greg-g n0rman pleia2
[00:12] <Resistance> n0rman:  I am still listed as a member on the Pennsylvania LoCo team, but my time schedule has not permitted me to attend any actual events.
[00:13] <Resistance> I also have not actively collaborated with the Pennsylvania LoCo team due to that time schedule.
[00:13] <Resistance> However, I do plan in future to participate more actively.
[00:13] <pleia2> glad to hear it :)
[00:13] <n0rman> cool :)
[00:14] <pleia2> #vote Resistance Membership
[00:14] <meetingology> Please vote on: Resistance Membership
[00:14] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:14] <pleia2> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:14] <greg-g> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[00:14] <n0rman> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from n0rman
[00:15] <pleia2> cyphermox?
[00:16] <greg-g> uh oh :)
[00:16] <greg-g> this happens sometimes with IRC meetings, not to worry ;)
[00:16] <n0rman> +_+
[00:16] <pleia2> canadian internet
[00:16] <pleia2> :)
[00:18] <cyphermox> +1
[00:18] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:18] <cyphermox> hehe, sorry
[00:18] <pleia2> yay!
[00:18] <pleia2> #endvote
[00:18] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Resistance Membership
[00:18] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:18] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:18] <pleia2> congrats Resistance :)
[00:19] <cyphermox> indeed, canadian internet in cafés ;)
[00:19] <Resistance> board members: I thank you all.  :)
[00:19] <mainerror> \o/
[00:19] <Resistance> and thanks pleia2!  :)
[00:19] <cyphermox> thanks to you Resistance
[00:19] <Oli> Congratulations Resistance
[00:19] <cyphermox> also, make sure you add your blog to planet.u.c :)
[00:19] <jrgifford> congrats Resistance !
[00:19] <n0rman> congrats Resistance  :)
[00:19] <Resistance> cyphermox:  my blog will likely change locations, but once its fully operational i'll put it there :)
[00:19] <Resistance> and thanks to everyone :)
[00:20] <cyphermox> awesome, congrats again!
[00:20] <pleia2> and thanks to everyone who came out to support him, we really love to see tha t:)
[00:20] <jrgifford> heh, it's our job. :)
[00:20] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[00:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Nov 18 00:20:37 2011 UTC.
[00:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-18-00.00.moin.txt
[00:20] <greg-g> belated congrats, Resistance :)
[00:20] <Resistance> greg-g:  thank you :)
[12:25] <amithkk>  Awesome Resistance is a member!
[12:34] <nlsthzn_> Resistance is futile
[16:00]  * skaet waves
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Nov 18 16:00:36 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:00] <pitti> hello o/
[16:00] <Daviey> \o
[16:00] <scott-work> hi o/
[16:01] <cjwatson> hi
[16:01] <jibel> Hi
[16:01] <skaet> :)
[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-11-18
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Welcome to first weekly release meeting for Precise Pangolin aka 12.04 LTS!
[16:01] <skaet> Schedule for this release will be at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule  (some edits still need to happen, but they're later in schedule)
[16:01] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:01] <skaet> • 11/24 - Feature Definition Freeze (aka Planning Freeze) - all blueprints should be in and approved
[16:01] <skaet> • 11/25 - status.ubuntu.com gets reset and tracking workitems starts.
[16:01] <skaet> • 12/01 - Alpha 1 release.
[16:01] <skaet>  .
[16:01] <skaet> New format for the meeting is to review the comments posted by other teams in ubuntu-release maillist before the meeting, and then ask questions.
[16:01] <skaet> Please signal when you've finished comments/questions by ".."
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:02] <skaet> #LINK http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to those teams.
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> questions?
[16:02] <cjwatson> o/
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:02] <skaet> go ahead cjwatson
[16:02] <cjwatson> I wanted to dig into the dssi-vst/multiarch thing that scott-work raised on -release (and I clarified)
[16:02] <cjwatson> in particular I think the answer to this depends very much on whether there's more stuff on its way where we're going to want i386 packages on the amd64 images
[16:03] <cjwatson> if it's just for a single package, then doing a lot of infra work seems a bit questionable, but if it's going to be for more than that then we should make sure it gets scheduled
[16:03] <cjwatson> does anyone know of more upcoming examples of this kind of thing?
[16:03] <cjwatson> ..
[16:04]  * skaet not seeing any hands. 
[16:04]  * stgraber checks
[16:04]  * scott-work is on the phone at work
[16:05] <skaet> ok,  any objection to going into the round table, and lets folks ponder,  and then get back to it at the end of the meeting?
[16:05] <cjwatson> np
[16:05] <cjwatson> just food for thought
[16:05] <stgraber> nope, can't find any other
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team Q&A - mlegris
[16:06] <skaet> any questions from mlegris?  or question for him?
[16:06] <mlegris> Finishing up the last of our systems this week
[16:06] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric-testing/oneiric_final.html
[16:07] <mlegris> ..
[16:07] <Daviey> mlegris: Is there a list of the hardware you are cert'ing for server?
[16:07]  * scott-work is back
[16:07] <Daviey> (or any, i guess)
[16:07] <mlegris> Daviey: Yes, its at the end of the page I posted
[16:09] <skaet> mlegris,  can you post an email status to the ubuntu-release maillist going forward so folks have a chance to looking things over before the meeting next time?
[16:09] <Daviey> That is what i get for typing too quickly.
[16:09] <mlegris> skaet: sure thing
[16:09] <skaet> thanks mlegris!
[16:09]  * skaet doesn't see any more questions... so onwards
[16:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team Q&A -  jibel
[16:10] <Daviey> mlegris: hmm, can't we see bugs why it failed?
[16:10] <Daviey> oh, sorry.
[16:10] <skaet> Daviey, no worries,  just post it at the end after the round table.
[16:11] <jibel> no question from the QA team
[16:11] <jibel> Just a note about daily smoke tests. Desktop tests are failing since yesterday.
[16:11] <skaet> thanks for getting the status mailed out.
[16:11] <jibel> We'll investigate what's wrong first thing next week
[16:12] <jibel> any question for us ?
[16:12] <cjwatson> jibel: URL and I can have a quick look?
[16:12] <cjwatson> on the possibility that it's not a test failure
[16:12] <skaet> thanks jibel,  was going to ask about the daily smoke tests.
[16:12] <skaet> where should folks go to see the result?
[16:13] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ but the logs are empty. I need to replay the test manually
[16:13] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-desktop-amd64_default/123/ for example
[16:13] <cjwatson> er, oneiric?
[16:14] <jibel> sorry https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-desktop-amd64_default/134/
[16:14] <cjwatson> I guess I can squeeze in a quick manual test run
[16:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:15] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:16] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
[16:16] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-security.html
[16:16] <jdstrand> We've gotten our blueprints and work items in shape this week (which is evident from the wild ride that is our burndown atm ;). Like in previous releases, the security team gets to development work as time allows and we only commit to completing work items that have an 'Essential' priority.
[16:16] <jdstrand> In that light, this cycle we have done things differently than in the past and moved all of our essential work items into their own essential blueprints. We then created the topic-precise-security-essential blueprint, that depends on our essential blueprints. This gives us and others the ability to more easily see our progress on things we are committed to implementing.
[16:16] <jdstrand> (this can of course be seen in http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-security.html)
[16:16] <jdstrand> We have no trend line on the burn down, so I will interpret that as us being below it. :)
[16:17] <jdstrand> In terms of bugs worth highlighting:
[16:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html#security
[16:17] <jdstrand> 887332: the kernel team is handling this (patch needs to be rewritten and resubmitted upstream)
[16:17] <jdstrand> 344878: plan is to make a change to ecryptfs to use pathconf, then to adjust userspace applications like evolution to properly honor pathconf. We will be adjusting ecryptfs and then filing bugs against applications that aren't honoring pathconf
[16:17] <jdstrand> 800826, 872446, 851986: assigned, no progress
[16:17] <jdstrand> that's it
[16:17] <skaet> thanks jdstrand,  for next week, can this get mailed out to ubuntu-release mail list prior to the meeting? :)
[16:18] <jdstrand> oh, has this changed? I must have missed an email
[16:18] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: ^
[16:18] <mdeslaur> sure
[16:18] <Daviey> jdstrand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000471.html
[16:18] <skaet> thanks jdstrand, mdeslaur.  :)
[16:18] <jdstrand> I should also mention that mdeslaur will be handling the release meetings from now on
[16:18] <skaet> welcome mdeslaur :)
[16:18] <skaet> any questions for jdstrand?
[16:19] <skaet> before we move on?
[16:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:19] <ogasawara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000472.html
[16:19] <ogasawara> As I noted in my release meeting email, we're hoping to upload our first v3.2 based kernel today (pending some test feedback).  cjwatson also pointed out bug 888597 which I've fixed and will make sure it lands in the upload.
[16:19] <ogasawara> Also looks like our kernel speicic work item status page has recently appeared:
[16:19] <ogasawara> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-kernel-essential.html
[16:20] <jdstrand> Daviey: thanks
[16:20] <ogasawara> ..
[16:20] <skaet> thanks ogasawara,  is there going to be any issues with things stabilizing for A1?
[16:20] <skaet> using the new kernel?
[16:21] <ogasawara> skaet: should be shaping up.  we just tested the nvidia and fglrx drivers with the newer 3.2 kernel and seems to be working fine.
[16:21] <ogasawara> skaet: also doing some smoke testing amongst the team and no major fires seen yet
[16:22] <skaet> ogasawara, coolio.  just wondering about the timing of it landing,  with the thanksgiving holidays occuring.   But if the testing is looking good, we should be ok as long as it lands next week.
[16:22] <skaet> any other questions for kernel team?
[16:22] <gilir> o/
[16:22] <skaet> gilir, go
[16:22] <gilir> is there a date for the PAE no-PAE support decision ?
[16:23] <ogasawara> gilir: still being discussed.  I'm going to raise it with the team next week as some of the key players are traveling this week.
[16:23]  * ogra_ guesses the final decision will be posted to the kernel ML
[16:23] <ogasawara> gilir: I'll give an update next week, but there will be follow up on the thread as well
[16:23] <ogra_> or ubuntu-devel
[16:23] <gilir> ok thanks :)
[16:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:24] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000476.html
[16:24] <cjwatson> Q&A not update, right?
[16:24] <skaet> yup
[16:24] <skaet> sorry, missed that edit.  :P
[16:24] <cjwatson> quick update on those bugs: the doc-base one is fixed although I'm waiting for the relevant Launchpad cron job to notice the latest Debian perl upload so that I can sync it, to finish fixing the upgrade path
[16:25] <cjwatson> on the update-inetd one, I've sent a possible patch to Debian for review
[16:25] <cjwatson> they're both facets of the same underlying problem
[16:25] <cjwatson> that should all be comfortably out of the way by alpha 1
[16:26] <cjwatson> ..
[16:27] <skaet> thanks cjwatson,  minor typo in your email status
[16:27] <cjwatson> mm?
[16:27] <skaet> bugs committed to being fixed are rls-p-tracking list
[16:27] <cjwatson> oh, right
[16:27] <skaet> bugs of interest to the release (ie. nominations to be considered) are rls-mgr-p-tracking
[16:27] <cjwatson> yeah, I'll sort out my confusion over those two over time
[16:27]  * skaet probably needs to make that a little clearer going forward.
[16:28] <skaet> :)
[16:28] <skaet> any questions for cjwatson?
[16:28] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey
[16:29] <Daviey> hullo
[16:29] <Daviey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000479.html
[16:30] <skaet> thanks Daviey.
[16:30]  * skaet doesn't have questions
[16:30] <Daviey> I noticed bug 735072 is associated to our team, and targeted to be fixed.  We didn't commit to that
[16:31] <Daviey> Any questions?
[16:31] <ogra_> are we there yet ?
[16:31] <ogra_> :P
[16:32] <Daviey> ogra_: I'll tell you when we do, ask again, and you'll get no cookies!
[16:32] <ogra_> *sniff*
[16:32] <skaet> Daviey - bug is not on the rls-p-tracking list,  just on the nominations list.   I'll look into it a bit more after this.
[16:32] <Daviey> skaet: rocking
[16:32] <skaet> commit (rls-p-tracking)  nominate (rls-mgr-p-tracking) ... see comments above that this needs to be clarified. :)
[16:33]  * skaet not seeing any other questions... so....
[16:33] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!
[16:33] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra
[16:33] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000483.html
[16:33] <ogra_> nothing to add from my side ...
[16:34] <skaet> Thanks ogra!  :)
[16:34]  * skaet looks around for questions
[16:34] <ogra_> (and sorry for the late mail, next week will be better)
[16:34]  * skaet happy to see images building  :) 
[16:34] <ogra_> wellm live images are a desaster ...
[16:35] <ogra_> but we'll get them :)
[16:35] <skaet> ogra_, :)
[16:35] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro Q&A- fabo
[16:35] <fabo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000484.html
[16:36] <skaet> thanks fabo! :)
[16:36] <fabo> I forget to add that upcoming release will support PandaBoard ES
[16:36] <fabo> ..
[16:36] <ogra_> thast 4460 ?
[16:36] <ogra_> *thats
[16:36] <fabo> ogra_: yes
[16:36] <ogra_> awesome
[16:36] <ogra_> i thought there was support already
[16:36] <ogra_> i saw oneiric booting on a 4460
[16:36] <ogra_> ..
[16:37] <fabo> unofficial, until now :)
[16:37] <ogra_> ah
[16:37] <fabo> sorry for the late mail as well, I'll do better next time
[16:37] <fabo> ..
[16:37] <skaet> dbarth, do you have any comments on the OpenGL ES 2 support that fabo's asking about in his status?
[16:38] <dbarth> the only thing i can say is that everything is blocked due to the absence of tests
[16:38] <dbarth> expect no code changes until that situation is resolved
[16:39] <fabo> dbarth: missing tests where? code or something else?
[16:39] <dbarth> that branch is blocked, like many others
[16:39] <dbarth> yes, the code needs to come with tests
[16:39] <dbarth> the type of which, and level of validation is still subject to negotiations
[16:40] <fabo> hmm ok, I'll raise that to the graphics WG
[16:40] <cjwatson> this is in response to the acceptance criteria stuff?
[16:40] <dbarth> i can't give you a firm guideline on the kind of test(s) you need to add for that branch to be unblocked; but that definition is what i'm working on
[16:40] <dbarth> yes
[16:40] <skaet> thanks dbarth,  will let you and fabo discuss further outside meeting then.
[16:40] <dbarth> skaet: +1
[16:40] <skaet> any other questions for fabo?
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover
[16:41]  * skaet doesn't see joshuahoover... moving on
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
[16:42] <pitti> see the already mailed out report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:42] <skaet> :)
[16:42] <pitti> I think we are in ok shape for alpha-1
[16:42] <pitti> we haven't really started breaking anything yet (and don't really plan to, except for the potential switch to RB)
[16:42] <Daviey> pitti: Happen t know if/when a new X will land, that might break non-free drivers?
[16:42] <pitti> we are mildly oversized, but nothing we can't handle at this point
[16:43] <pitti> Daviey: haven't heard imminent plans to update from bryce or Chris
[16:43] <Daviey> ta
[16:43] <skaet> Thanks pitti,   not worrying about size too much for A1 (nice to have, not essential).  :)
[16:43] <dbarth> o/
[16:43] <skaet> dbarth go
[16:43] <pitti> it's just 1 or 2 MB
[16:43] <dbarth> can we have the confirmation that it will *not* break the non-free drivers?
[16:44] <pitti> I don't know if the next version will change ABI again; I'll ask Chris/Bryce on Monday and get back
[16:44] <dbarth> said otherwise, the requirement to have a stable ubuntu, also applies to X; no 2 weeks with nvidia support is what i'm saying
[16:44] <pitti> we should certainly try to avoid it at least during precise
[16:44] <dbarth> without
[16:45] <dbarth> thanks
[16:45] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:45] <dbarth> (sorry for the late email, i hope it passe though)
[16:45] <dbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:46] <dbarth> in a nutshell we're blocked on the definition of tests; but assembled 2 tasksforce to create good reference examples and unblock the situation
[16:46] <dbarth> but no bug fixes or anything else until it's done (next week hopefully)
[16:46] <dbarth> the bug tags are now enforced with didrocks i think, so process wise we're getting there
[16:47] <dbarth> ..
[16:47] <skaet> dbarth,  no worries, we're all ramping up to get this more efficient for next time.   Looking forward to getting us unblocked.   Can we live with what we have for Alpha 1 or is the release at risk?
[16:47] <dbarth> no, it's not at this point ;)
[16:47] <skaet> s/release/milestone release/
[16:47] <dbarth> we'll have a good unity in 12.04
[16:48] <skaet> dbarth,  so no significant changes expected between now and  Dec 1?
[16:48] <ogra_> dbarth, what about the gles code merge, will it be there for A1 as agreed on ?
[16:48] <dbarth> we'll stay on the maintenance version, ie 4.x branch for now
[16:49] <dbarth> ogra_: they're in the merge queue, we need to clarify with didrocks the level of tests he wants
[16:49] <dbarth> let's take that offline
[16:49] <ogra_> k
[16:49] <skaet> thanks dbarth.
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:50]  * skaet missed a s/update/Q&A/ again.... drat!
[16:50] <skaet> lol
[16:51]  * skaet not seeing Riddell though... or seeing anything posted,  so moving on.
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage
[16:51] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000474.html
[16:51] <skaet> :)
[16:52] <stgraber> on my phone, expect slow answers :)
[16:52] <skaet> stgraber, thanks.   :)   with edubuntu not building,  are you going to be able to release alpha 1 image?
[16:52] <cjwatson> sorry about the fuse bit, I'll make sure that gets sorted out
[16:53] <cjwatson> I will ensure it doesn't block you for a1
[16:53] <skaet> :)
[16:53] <stgraber> I dont't expect any other problem for a1
[16:53] <skaet> thanks!
[16:54] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - ??
[16:54] <scott-work> should be knome but i don't know he's here
[16:54] <madnick> We are just observers this tiume, I think (?) unless micahg has something to say :)
[16:54] <skaet> yeah,  I
[16:55] <skaet> I'll work with knome to figure something out for next time.   He said he has someone, but not sure who yet.  :)
[16:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Q&A - scott-work
[16:56] <scott-work> email  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000475.html
[16:57] <scott-work> nothing really to add except for the ia32-libs which i can clarify with colin offline
[16:57] <skaet> Thanks scott-work!
[16:57]  * skaet didn't see any issues in the status, so moving on...
[16:58] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[16:58] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000477.html
[16:58] <skaet> thanks gilir,  re: powerpc,  let me know when there's testers line up for it,  and I'll put it on the manifest.
[16:59] <scott-work> o/
[16:59] <gilir> ok, I'll see this point next week
[16:59]  * skaet has not been seeing the powerpc images get much testing love - so want to make sure that's in place before we add to builds.
[17:00] <skaet> go scott-work
[17:00] <skaet> thanks gilir
[17:00] <scott-work> i should have mentioned earlier that we will be starting testing of the -lowlatency kernel vs. -generic next week
[17:00] <scott-work> ..
[17:00] <cjwatson> to clarify, it's not adding to builds - lubuntu/powerpc is already being daily-built
[17:00] <cjwatson> it's adding to test manifests
[17:01] <gilir> yes powerpc are build, just not tested :)
[17:01] <skaet> scott-work,  thanks for adding.   Are you going to be trying to put it out with the A1 images?
[17:01] <scott-work> skaet: i do not expect to, we have quite a bit of testing and evaluation i think
[17:02] <scott-work> not to mention, getting the package through revu and into the archive
[17:02] <scott-work> ..
[17:02] <skaet> scott-work,  *whew*  ;)
[17:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team update - tumbleweed or Laney
[17:03]  * skaet seeing both of them marked away ... moving on
[17:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] any other business?
[17:04] <stgraber> http://91.189.93.73
[17:04] <Laney> I thought we weren't giving regular updates
[17:04] <skaet> anyone have further comments or cases for: <cjwatson> I wanted to dig into the dssi-vst/multiarch thing that scott-work raised on -release (and I clarified)
 in particular I think the answer to this depends very much on whether there's more stuff on its way where we're going to want i386 packages on the amd64 images
[17:05] <skaet> Laney,  I should have typed Q&A - my bad
[17:05] <cjwatson> there's no huge urgency on that since it won't get done before the germinate changes needed for faster publishing anyway
[17:06] <pitti> as for the main Ubuntu images, I'd really like to avoid introducing such a case
[17:06] <pitti> it would add quite a lot of overhead (you will at least have to install a second glibc etc. onto the images)
[17:06] <scott-work> cjwatson: in the short term should we consider removing dssi-vst from the seeds?
[17:06] <scott-work> i can check on the impact of that
[17:07] <stgraber> above url is the work in progress iso tracker, comments and suggestions are welcome (soon to be feature-equivalent to the current one)
[17:07] <pitti> it seems most use cases are related to proprietary extra stuff which we only offer to download on demand
[17:07] <Daviey> stgraber: Any progress on an API?
[17:07] <pitti> so I can't think of anything else
[17:07] <cjwatson> scott-work: if you're willing to do that, that's a good short-term option IMO; I don't know exactly what features you lose by doing so
[17:08] <cjwatson> pitti: main Ubuntu images> agreed
[17:08] <stgraber> api works to add builds, api to add results should be there this afternoon
[17:08] <cjwatson> scott-work: perhaps we should have that be downloaded on demand during installation, since it's proprietary?
[17:08] <cjwatson> or, well, dependent on proprietary bits
[17:09] <cjwatson> anyway, we can discuss by mail or whatever
[17:09] <skaet> stgraber,  its looking very good!  Looking forward to it.     One issue is that Drupal7 is not deployed yet it appears,  I'll be requesting it from IS today.
[17:09] <scott-work> cjwatson: i will look into it and get with you about it later
[17:09] <stgraber> skaet: thanks
[17:10]  * skaet sees that the threads and questions have wound down...
[17:10] <Daviey> Surely we have another 20 mins? :)
[17:10] <skaet> Thanks everyone for participating,  and a big THANK YOU to those who got their status in email before the meeting.  :)
[17:10] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:10] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Nov 18 17:10:46 2011 UTC.
[17:10] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-18-16.00.moin.txt
[17:10] <pitti> Daviey: actually the point of the new format was to make it a lot faster :)
[17:10] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:11] <pitti> thanks everyone, have a good weekend!
[17:11] <Daviey> pitti: Yep!
[17:11] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jibel, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra, fabo, pitti, dbarth, stgraber, gilir, scott-work, Laney!
[17:11] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[17:11] <jdstrand> thanks skaet!
[17:11] <mlegris> Daviey: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric_blockers.html
[17:12] <mlegris> thank skaet!
[17:12] <jibel> skaet, thanks !
[17:12] <fabo> skaet: thanks :)
[17:12] <scott-work> thanks skaet , et al
[17:12] <Daviey> mlegris: How much work would it be to make a server speicifc list?
[17:13] <mlegris> Daviey: not sure, brendand makes the reports
[17:15] <Daviey> mlegris: If it isn't too much work, I would monitor such a report to try and make sure things make progress.
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