[00:49] <pleia2> trying to figure out if I have enough energy to come down tonight :)
[00:50] <jtatum> :)
[00:50]  * pleia2 has nothing nice to say about bind
[00:50] <broder> hmm...do i need to actually go and read that cve? i had been kind of ignoring it
[00:51] <pleia2> only if you allow public recursive requests
[00:51] <broder> ok, good
[00:51] <pleia2> we don't, but we allow it for some LANs we manage and they are windows PCs who have who-knows-what garbage on them, and there are attacks in the wild now too, so we got a few calls from customers who couldn't get to some sites because their dns was dead
[00:52] <broder> oof
[00:52] <pleia2> sugarcrm.com's dns failed for about an hour today to, may be a coincidence but :\
[00:53] <pleia2> s/to/too
[00:53] <pleia2> "I am done with these bind updates, let's upgrade sugar, aaarrrghhh!" <-- my day
[00:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know how to use SugarCRM's On-Demand?
[00:56] <bkerensa> I cant figure out how to access it with my pro account
[00:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: I know as little about SugarCRM as possible
[00:56] <bkerensa> =o
[00:56] <bkerensa> ok
[00:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: I'm going to a Debian Dinner tonight (Apparently they do them up here too)
[00:56] <pleia2> cool
[00:57] <bkerensa> John Goerzen is coming
[00:57] <bkerensa> :D
[00:58] <pleia2> don't know him, a DD?
[00:58] <pleia2> we have a couple DDs down here, but they don't come out much
[00:58] <bkerensa> Yeah... He has also wrote like 10 books.... but apparently he just cancelled last minute
[00:58] <bkerensa> yeah
[00:58] <nhaines> Bummer.
[00:58] <bkerensa> well I guess everyone who will be there tonight aside from me is a major old school DD or Ubuntu Dev
[00:59] <bkerensa> like vorlan will be there tonight and he is DD and Ubuntu Dev
[00:59] <pleia2> yeah, I'm familiar with vorlan
[00:59] <pleia2> (not sure if I've met met him though)
[01:00] <jtatum> steve langasek
[01:00] <jtatum> at every uds
[01:00] <pleia2> I have actually met him, but he's pretty outgoing
[01:01] <pleia2> see, I only meet non-shy people because I'm shy and it's impossible for two shy people to meet
[01:01] <jtatum> he was my idol
[01:01] <pleia2> once I sat next to an online friend at a scifi convention, and later we're on IRC and he's like "was that you?"
[01:01] <pleia2> it was awesome, we're such dorks
[01:02] <pleia2> I should learn how to say hi, but it's hard :)
[01:02] <jtatum> jledbetter is better at emulating extrovert than I
[01:03] <pleia2> you're both quite approachable, smiling is good
[01:04] <pleia2> it's dark already, I think I'll take muni to caltrain, which means leaving now
[01:05] <jtatum> thanks pleia2. oh! great, we get to see you tonight
[01:05] <jtatum> excellent
[01:06] <pleia2> wasn't going to because I have a million things to do, but last night was the same and I ate pizza and watched tv instead
[01:06] <pleia2> so I think this means I need to get out :)
[01:07] <bkerensa> jtatum: Well I would much rather be at home perfecting my skill at Asian Cuisine but I got to make the rounds in the FOSS community plus the Debian guys want to utilize some of my venues and connections.... I also think it would be good to do Ubuntu Hours on the same day that way more people can get together
[01:08] <jtatum> sure
[01:11] <bkerensa> Plus it is epic cold out tonight :P and a hour trip there and back :P
[01:11] <bkerensa> 39 degrees right now
[01:11] <bkerensa> :(
[01:31] <jyo> oh, I'm coming tonight, btw.
[01:46] <pleia2> train!
[01:53] <pleia2> power outlet!
[01:53] <pleia2> :)
[01:53] <akk> \o/
[02:06] <pleia2> finally got to october team report https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/October
[03:11] <jtatum> hey from the Mountain View Ubuntu hour!
[03:12]  * pleia2 waves from Mt View Ubuntu Hour too
[03:21] <MarkDude> I was just out that way yesterday
[03:33] <jtatum> sorry we missed you, MarkDude
[03:36] <MarkDude> Me too
[03:36] <MarkDude> still super tired
[03:53]  * akk waves from Mountain View
[04:05] <jtatum> whelp
[04:05] <jtatum> for anyone who couldn't make it tonight
[04:05] <jtatum> mark your calendars :)
[06:01] <bkerensa> pleia2: Looks like a West Coast DebConf might be in the works :D
[06:01] <jyo> Hooray for yet another successful Mt. View Ubuntu Hour!
[06:01] <bkerensa> jyo: +1
[06:02] <jyo> Well, successful as in the usual suspects.
[06:02] <akk> and we had fun!
[06:18] <greg-g> jyo: awesome! I need to stay in MV longer one night to hit it up. I'm always kind of anxious to get back on the train to SF
[06:23] <bkerensa> gnight
[06:24] <nhaines> bkerensa: good night.
[07:22] <pleia2> bkerensa: that would be cool but I won't hold my breath (it took forever to get a debconf in the states even once!)
[07:25] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah... Would you come?
[07:25] <pleia2> bkerensa: I would like to, but it would depend on work
[07:25] <bkerensa> nhaines: Yeah I need to go to bed :( got a long day tomorrow of pitching a proposal for a Ubuntu/Debian Bug Squash the first week of December :P
[07:26] <bkerensa> gnight all
[07:26] <pleia2> night
[07:26] <pleia2> greg-g: on any night I'm down at the mt view ubuntu hour we could give you a ride home (tonight we had dinner out too, but usually we head right back up around 9PM)
[07:27] <pleia2> jyo lives in the city too, so I will volunteer him to give rides too ;)
[07:27] <pleia2> caltrain after rush hour takes foreeeever :\
[08:00] <MarkDude> cant get anymore last minute than that talk I just put in
[16:31] <greg-g> pleia2: yeah, post rush hour caltrain is about worthless, thanks for the offers!
[16:48] <BotenAnna> metrolink post rush hour doesn't exist lol
[20:04] <MarkDude> dragon, ping
[20:04] <MarkDude> http://events.hackerdojo.com/confirm/1155026-fedora-16-release-party-installfest-and-bbq
[20:05] <MarkDude> Yes it may be a Fedora event- ALL are welcome. We will also have some Ubuntu case badges, as well as some copies of Jono's Art of Community book
[20:06] <MarkDude> Grand prize is a Beefy Miracle shirt, if the winner does not want that- we will get them an Ubuntu themed shirt- all courtesy of Daddy Shadowman
[20:06] <MarkDude> akk, I hope you can make it
[20:06] <akk> MarkDude: I think I can, and definitely want to.
[20:06] <jyo> MarkDude: Excited about the Astros joining the AL West? :P
[20:06] <MarkDude> Veggie and Meat dogs
[20:07] <MarkDude> akk if they wear their really old stripey uniforms
[20:07] <MarkDude> Those crappy rainbow polyester ones
[20:08] <jyo> So excited for baseball in 2013! Interleague game everyday! Mariners-Astros games all the time!
[20:09] <jyo> greg-g: Yeah, I usually drive to the Mt. View Ubuntu Hour on my way back. Totally happy to give anyone a ride back to the city.
[20:09] <greg-g> jyo: sweet! :)
[20:11] <philipballew_> I need to hit up the mountain view hour when I am in norcal soon. Its only a couple hours from where I live there
[20:14] <MarkDude> philipballew, come to a Dark Side party, we have food and desert- even prizes, and NO we are not trying to convert you
[20:18] <philipballew_> MarkDude, when is it?
[20:18] <akk> Converting someone to try another distro (not necessarily switch) might be a good thing.
[20:19] <akk> Seeing how other distros do things well can help improve one's own distro.
[20:19] <nhaines> I know all other distros are bad.  That's why I never use or try them.
[20:19]  * akk hides her laptop so no one will see it's currently all debian derivatives ... really must do something about that
[20:19] <philipballew_> akk, I have here on my laptop is debian and ubuntu. though they are somewhat the same.
[20:20] <akk> philipballew_: That's what I have right now. Want to put fedora on it, just have to set aside some time in case it stomps my boot sector and I have to fix it.
[20:20] <MarkDude> nhaines, +1
[20:20]  * philipballew_ doesnt let people know his desktop is currently open suse. 
[20:20] <MarkDude> Dec 4th 12-3
[20:20] <akk> I had arch on the other laptop, but it kinda bitrotted.
[20:21] <MarkDude> Shhh, I am using Ubuntu right now
[20:21] <MarkDude> philipballew, at the Hacker Dojo- in Mountain view
[20:21] <philipballew_> when I was at scale a year back the suse booth would not give me a cd untill i took my ubuntu laynard off
[20:21]  * MarkDude wants all distros to get along
[20:21] <nhaines> akk: From the sounds of it, Arch combines all the power and configurability of Gentoo with all the ease of use and reliability of Gentoo.
[20:21] <akk> jeez, philipballew_, that's rude
[20:21] <MarkDude> philipballew, they would not do that if Zonker was still around
[20:22] <MarkDude> Joe is a good guy
[20:22] <philipballew_> MarkDude, I'll look at my schedule. as I live in both nor cal and socal
[20:22] <MarkDude> Good deal- not a bad commute
[20:22]  * philipballew_ still thinks norcal is better
[20:23] <akk> heh, nhaines. Actually it combines *some of* the configurability of gentoo, the lightweightness of, I dunno, in-between-debian-and-puppy, and the ease of use of debian.
[20:23] <philipballew_> is arch based off anything?
[20:23] <nhaines> I got the impression Arch installs tended to bitrot fairly quickly.
[20:23] <nhaines> philipballew_: Ubuntu nerdrage.
[20:23] <akk> nhaines: Plus: it's super easy to contribute packages, unlike more mainstream distros (anyone can put a package in AUR).
[20:23] <philipballew_> i thought i herd debian at one point. but might be wrong
[20:24] <akk> nhaines: I wish ubuntu had something like that ... they keep talking about it but the cats can't agree on how to do it.
[20:24] <philipballew_> and it is a rolling distro
[20:24] <nhaines> akk: I think PPAs are a good solution for the moment.
[20:25] <akk> nhaines: Ugh, ppas mean you have to go googling for a ppa, then pick one of the three you find and hope that it's the one that's actually kept up to date
[20:25] <akk> which probably won't be the same ppa anyone else you meet is using
[20:26] <nhaines> Is that different than random users adding arbitrarily-named packages?
[20:26] <akk> People show up on gimp saying "I got 2.7 from [long ppa url] and everybody's like "Who's that? no idea how recent it might be"
[20:26] <akk> nhaines: If there's a central repository, then everybody knows where the package is and everybody's getting the same version.
[20:26] <philipballew_> software people put out several ppa's one for the newest version and one for daily updates. you have to read the fine print to make sure you got the right one
[20:26] <akk> Plus you don't end up with 27 ppas that you have to apt-get update from every time, some of which might start serving you package versions you didn't ask for.
[20:27] <nhaines> akk: that part isn't fun.
[20:27] <philipballew_> exactly.
[20:27]  * philipballew_ is off to work.
[20:27] <philipballew_> time to fix peoples computers for 8 dollars an hour
[20:28]  * nhaines wouldn't do that for less than $20
[20:28] <nhaines> Actually, my home consulting rate is $80/hour.
[20:28] <philipballew_> its a school job so i get to pick my own hours. but I dont plan to be here for long
[20:28] <nhaines> Let anyone looking for consultants take note!  (My corporate rate is $120/hour though.)
[20:58]  * MarkDude charges rates they used to in 1800s
[20:58] <MarkDude> 3 beaver pelts and a bag of shiny beads
[20:58] <MarkDude> When I kick ass- extra shiny beads
[21:01] <bkerensa> =/
[21:01] <bkerensa> Beavers are the Oregon State Animal
[21:06] <nhaines> bkerensa: are they delicious?
[21:06] <pleia2> !
[21:07]  * nhaines will eat anything that isn't fast enough.
[21:07] <pleia2> I was about to wonder what california's is but then I remembered the big fluffy is on our flag :)
[21:07] <nhaines> It's nature's way.
[21:08] <akk> nhaines: A cool advantage of having hands and a big brain is that you can even eat things faster than yourself.
[21:08] <akk> (or, in the absence of hands/brain, having money will suffice :)
[21:08] <pleia2> hehe
[23:06] <dragon> MarkDude: pong
[23:07] <dragon> event on hacker dojo site looks awesome.
[23:08] <dragon> I'll share it around.
[23:08] <dragon> wait, that's not a sharable link!!
[23:08] <dragon> This is.
[23:08] <dragon> http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/1155026-fedora-16-release-party-installfest-and-bbq