[00:01] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/891871
[00:24] <astraljava> ScottL: wiki can be configured so that it can be edited by anyone.
[00:47] <Unit193> [19:27:41] knome (knome@ubuntu/member/knome) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[00:57] <astraljava> Yes?
[00:58] <knome> No?
[00:59] <astraljava> [02:47] < Unit193> [19:27:41] knome (knome@ubuntu/member/knome) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[00:59] <knome> mmh
[00:59] <astraljava> I didn't really get the point, but then again, who gives a flying duck.
[00:59] <knome> freenode failed, and didn't let me login with ssl
[01:00] <astraljava> What, you got secrets on an open source project?
[01:01] <knome> hsst
[01:02] <astraljava> Incorrect. It's *pfft*
[01:03] <knome> hah.
[01:08] <knome> astraljava, kashmir's new collection, with some unreleased tracks <3
[01:10] <astraljava> Nice, sounds like worthy for a purchase.
[01:10] <knome> mm.
[01:10] <knome> there are some rarities too
[01:10] <knome> so it's quite many "new" tracks
[01:11] <knome> astraljava, http://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/kashmir/katalogue_1991_2011/#2cd
[01:11] <knome> you can get that from cdon.fi already though...
[01:11] <ScottL> i noticed that on my xubuntu install that updates will start installing without getting permission (gksudo)
[01:11] <ScottL> is it supposed to do that?
[01:12] <astraljava> I noticed it too. Same for a Lubuntu install. *shrug*
[01:12] <knome> probably not
[01:14] <jono> hey knome, I just replied to your blog entry
[01:15] <Unit193> astraljava: Not that again
[01:16] <Unit193> I thought jono might be looking for him since he left support and joined devel
[01:17] <astraljava> You left it wide open right there.
[01:17] <Unit193> :D
[01:19] <knome> jono, i will reply you shortly
[01:19] <Unit193> Awww... Now I have to read it
[01:20] <jono> knome, :-)
[01:20] <jono> Unit193, lol
[01:20] <knome> jono, do you mind if i remove the quotes? that would make it easier to follow
[01:20] <jono> knome, I replies to mr_pouit's blog too
[01:20] <jono> apologies for the delay
[01:44] <GridCube> ScottL, i noticed that too
[01:45] <GridCube> i blame lightdm integration with gnome-keyring
[01:47] <astraljava> I have no gripes with that. 11 less key presses.
[01:48] <GridCube> oh but i really, really, really, dislike kernel upgrades
[01:49] <astraljava> Uptime?
[01:50] <Unit193> 20:50:14 up 81 days,  7:53,  9 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.09
[01:50] <GridCube> no, it just messes with all the video drivers and all the vbox config files and pretty much nothing good comes from them
[01:50] <astraljava> Unit193: No outside users? L4M3
[01:51] <astraljava> GridCube: Yeah, it's not like it's an elementary piece of software at all.
[01:51] <GridCube> at all indeed
[01:54] <knome> jono, are you okay with me removing the quoted parts in your comment?
[01:54] <astraljava> I really don't understand people's gripes with kernel updates. If you know it (the vulnerability) won't affect you, don't upgrade. If you really need the patch, why complain?
[01:54] <jono> knome, I would prefer if you kept them there, they provide context
[01:54] <jono> if you remove them my response will seem a little disjointed
[01:55] <knome> jono, okay, i will. can you please try to reply without quotes the next time, with a bit more context added to the reply then?
[01:55] <Unit193> astraljava: Uptrack
[01:55] <jono> knome, what is wrong with quotes?
[01:56] <jono> (just curious)
[01:56] <knome> just makes the comments awfully long
[01:56] <astraljava> Unit193: Which is?
[01:56] <jono> ok
[01:56] <jono> np
[01:57] <jono> biab
[01:57] <astraljava> awesome
[02:02] <Unit193> astraljava: Updates without rebooting
[02:07] <astraljava> Unit193: You can always subscribe to that service that provides kernel updates without rebooting. Without a mission critical server, I have a hard time figuring out a reason for it, though.
[02:08] <Unit193> This is the same thing, just free for personal use....
[02:09] <Unit193> Ksplice
[02:10] <astraljava> I think that _is_ the service I speak of.
[02:11] <Unit193> http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu
[02:11] <Unit193> It's CLI or GUI
[02:13] <pleia2> knome: so, shall I get a job with canonical IS?
[02:13] <pleia2> (I have considered applying ;))
[02:13] <pleia2> not sure I want to go from one overworked sysadmin job at a small company to another though
[02:14] <knome> heh
[02:14] <knome> pleia2, that would be an option ;)
[02:27] <Unit193> ^^ He names his computers so cryptically
[02:28] <knome> yeah
[02:28] <knome> is that computer in the heaven?
[02:29] <pleia2> if that's the case let's hope we never see scott-basement
[02:29] <knome> hehe
[02:29] <knome> well that could be interesting
[02:30] <knome> he could tell if it smells like grilled sausage all the time there
[02:30] <knome> :P~~~
[02:30] <pleia2> haha, eww
[02:35] <Unit193> So, we swapped the channels :D
[02:35] <knome> this week in #xubuntu-devel, next week in #ubuntustudio-devel 
[02:36] <Unit193> pleia2: No, they had been talking -devel in -offtopic, and -offtopic in -devel. It's just awesome :D
[02:36] <pleia2> oh I see, I am so out of the loop :)
[02:36] <pleia2> I joined their mailing list!
[02:36] <Unit193> Oh, maybe I should do so?
[02:36] <Unit193> I'm going to check out their Pangolin
[02:36] <pleia2> I joined back when they announced the xfce switch
[02:58] <scott-upstairs> knome, i'm reworking the ubuntu studio website spec per my converstaion with stochastc, do you think this will be enough direction for you to make changes?  is there a more preferred medium?
[02:59] <knome> if it's specific/clear enough, the blueprint is fine :)
[03:12] <scott-upstairs> knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec#Website_Content
[03:12] <scott-upstairs> i think this is pretty explicit but the image is slightly misleading now and doesn't quite reflect everything about the modified direction
[03:13] <knome> scott-upstairs, thanks. i'll look at that tomorrow (or today, if you want to say that ;])
[03:13] <scott-upstairs> although i tried to address stuff in the text
[03:13] <knome> okay
[03:13] <scott-upstairs> let me know if anything is unclear
[03:13] <scott-upstairs> logging for a bit
[03:17] <knome> i'm off for the night
[03:17] <knome> see you later
[03:44] <pleia2> blogged http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=5349 \o/
[03:44] <pleia2> now maybe more than just me and knome will come :)
[04:03] <Unit193> pleia2: If I remember I should, but there isn't exactly a need for me ;)
[04:03] <pleia2> Unit193: we always need you!
[04:04] <Unit193> Heh
[04:04] <ScottL> knome, mr_pouit :  good posts, it was interesting to read jono's responses
[08:39] <madnick> In 11.10
[08:40] <madnick> I am *not* prompted for password
[08:40] <madnick> When installing updates
[08:40] <madnick> And I do not know how that is even possible
[08:40] <Unit193> What program? What did you do?
[08:40] <madnick> Update Manager
[08:40] <madnick> It popped up on me
[08:40] <madnick> I clicked install
[08:41] <madnick> It began
[08:41] <madnick> The root key is not visible
[08:41] <madnick> and I surely did not enter it
[08:42] <madnick> It is accutlaly not a bug
[08:42] <madnick> But I would concider it a bug
[08:43] <Unit193> I'll have to try it
[08:44] <Unit193> I always did/do use apt-get :P
[08:44] <madnick> Well, I usually dont use the gui either, but since it popped up
[08:44] <madnick> I bet thats why I have not noticed it
[08:53] <micahg> madnick: not a bug
[08:54] <micahg> madnick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[08:55] <Unit193> Intentional bug ;)
[08:55] <madnick> micahg: yes, I saw that :P 
[16:04] <ochosi> hi everyone
[16:04] <madnick> hi ochosi 
[16:05] <ochosi> hi there
[16:07] <ochosi> how're things?
[16:09] <madnick> ochosi: i would like to make a final decision on the lightdm settings ui :P
[16:09] <ochosi> oho :)
[16:09] <madnick> but not know, because im trying to follow this meeting that is quite over my head :P
[16:10] <madnick> now*
[16:10] <ochosi> what meeting?
[16:11] <madnick> #ubuntu-meeting
[16:11] <madnick> its supposed to be about team reports
[16:11] <ochosi> i see
[16:12] <madnick> we didnt submit any team reports this week
[16:12] <madnick> however
[17:12] <madnick> ochosi: whats your stand on the lastest design draft? can i implement it, or do you really want it on the opposite side?
[17:12] <ochosi> madnick: errm, link me to the latest design draft please, not sure i have it in mind
[17:12] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/drafty3.png <- there, but also bold test on "autologin settings"
[17:12] <madnick> text*
[17:13] <madnick> sorry, i am quite tired, i shouldve gone to bed long ago :)
[17:14] <ochosi> dunno, personally i guess i'd prefer to have the list on the right, but i don't think it's a big issue if it's on the left
[17:14] <madnick> i can put it on the other side, no problem
[17:14] <madnick> But its still a bit empty 
[17:15] <ochosi> (i'd have it on the right, because of the hierarchical connex between the two. the settings in drafty3 on the right don't change when you switch greeter and that's what it implies imo)
[17:15] <madnick> okay
[17:16] <madnick> so, if i put it
[17:16] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/drafty.png but use the padding of drafty3
[17:17] <ochosi> k, also: more padding in the left-top corner for "autologin settings"
[17:17] <madnick> okay
[17:17] <madnick> Is the space left OK?
[17:17] <madnick> err
[17:17] <madnick> is the space that does not get occupied
[17:18] <madnick> even with those paddings, ok to leave empty?
[17:18] <madnick> or do i need to figure something out :P
[17:18] <ochosi> do you still remember the other things (show-border for the listview and bold-font for the section headers) or do they not matter for what you want to decide atm?
[17:18] <madnick> yes 
[17:18] <ochosi> empty space is ok
[17:18] <ochosi> as long as the alignment in the top-left corner is ok
[17:18] <madnick> Its just that I cannot draft quickly enough
[17:19] <madnick> okay
[17:19] <madnick> well, then, ill implement this tonight :)
[17:19] <ochosi> nice :)
[17:19] <madnick> (after i slept :P)
[17:20] <madnick> Also, I don't know if knome might want to do this or 
[17:20] <madnick> 1 sec, im gonna check what we said about this
[17:20] <ochosi> k
[17:21] <madnick> Yes, its "awaiting discussion"
[17:21] <madnick> knome needs to be here too :P
[17:21] <madnick> (about the lightdm theme)
[17:23] <ochosi> right, about the theme, i guess i should be able to get the mockup done tonight
[17:23] <madnick> awesome :P
[17:23] <ochosi> it would be nice though to know what elements have to be there and which can be there
[17:24] <madnick> well, we sorta(?) decided to have an accessiblity element
[17:24] <madnick> and then we need session, login stuff, and power management 
[17:25] <ochosi> i see
[17:25] <ochosi> that seems fairly standard
[17:25] <ochosi> and what options do we have for the user-switche?
[17:25] <ochosi> user-switcher
[17:26] <madnick> anything at all, thats the beuity
[17:26] <madnick> :P
[17:26] <ochosi> rly?
[17:26] <ochosi> awesome
[17:26] <madnick> yes, if its doable by a computer
[17:26] <madnick> it is doable by the greeter engine :P
[17:26] <madnick> you can even make a certain nickname have a certain background
[17:26] <madnick> or image
[17:27] <ochosi> hmm, sounds interesting
[17:28] <ochosi> e.g. a default setting if a "Guest" account is added, could we do that?
[17:28] <madnick> Well, i dont really know what that would mean, sorry
[17:28] <madnick> but:
[17:28] <ochosi> well, e.g. like in chromium when opening a private-browsing session
[17:29] <madnick> The greeter engine offers *all* of the API, the greeter theme is not written, and can do *anything* at all while we write it
[17:29] <ochosi> something along the lines of that. adding an "incognito-background"
[17:29] <madnick> Yes
[17:29] <ochosi> that'd be rather cool i think
[17:29] <madnick> So, if there is a guest session
[17:29] <madnick> the theme's stuff changes? or the background of the desktop changes?
[17:30] <madnick> Or another session is loaded for guest?
[17:30] <olbi> hello folks :D
[17:30] <madnick> hi
[17:30] <madnick> ochosi: im sorry if i misunderstand you
[17:30] <ochosi> madnick: i'd say the greeter-bg changes..?
[17:30] <madnick> But I am very tired :P
[17:30] <ochosi> hi olbi 
[17:30] <madnick> Okay
[17:30] <madnick> yes that can be done
[17:30] <ochosi> madnick: yeah, no worries :) i'm not sure i understood the things we can change ;)
[17:30] <olbi> how works is going?
[17:31] <madnick> ochosi: in the greeter, anything, after the greeter, preferably (?) only the session we set
[17:31] <madnick> But technically we can change anything
[17:32] <ochosi> ok, then i'll try to come up with some different login for a guest-session as well
[17:32] <ochosi> but the main thing will be the normal greeter
[17:32] <madnick> okay :)
[17:56] <ochosi> madnick: can you make another screenshot after you modified what we talked about?
[17:59] <madnick> ochosi: yes 
[18:00] <madnick> i will do this tomorrow (just after bed time for normal folks :P)
[18:00] <madnick> and when you get up, ill ping you
[18:00] <olbi> madnick, where are You from?:P
[18:00] <madnick> Sweden
[18:01] <ochosi> k, sounds good
[18:02] <olbi> so allmost same time like at Poland :D
[18:02] <madnick> yup
[18:02] <madnick> my sleeping pattern is unbound by timezones ;)
[18:06] <ochosi> madnick: if i may ask, what is your profession? sounds like a rather nice daily routine, going to sleep whenever :)
[18:08] <madnick> ochosi: my profession is retired :P
[18:08] <ochosi> lucky you :)
[18:08] <madnick> well, it has its pros and cons :P
[18:09] <ochosi> you mean like everything?
[18:09] <madnick> :D
[18:09] <ochosi> ;)
[18:09] <knome> now that mr_pouit is "probably" retiring as the tech lead, is there somebody who would "probably" want to be the new one?
[18:09] <madnick> he's leaving?
[18:10] <knome> well i asked him if he will continue contributing
[18:10] <knome> which he probably will
[18:10] <knome> or i'll be angry at him ;[
[18:10] <knome> but he has good reasons for not being the "lead" anymore
[18:11] <olbi> shy :(
[18:11] <knome> you mean "shame" ?
[18:12] <pleia2> knome: reminds me, if we still want to fill the marketing lead role I can probably do it
[18:12] <knome> pleia2, i was thinking i could do that and the website lead ;]
[18:12] <pleia2> I've done the whole "make social networking happen" thing for a few teams now, and I've been sort of doing some of the rest anyway
[18:12] <madnick>  technically, doesn't anyone who takes on that role need rights to the seeds
[18:12] <olbi> I have good profession, sitting at home and typing news, articles, testing hardware under linux, type on IRC :D
[18:12] <pleia2> knome: of course you're welcome to, just tossin that out there :)
[18:12] <olbi> knome, yep, shame :P
[18:12] <olbi> knome, my bad\
[18:12] <pleia2> someone has @xubuntu on twitter, never tweeted, meanhead
[18:12] <knome> madnick, i don't know.
[18:12] <knome> heh
[18:14] <olbi> palnetubuntu and ubuntuworldwide are there :D
[18:14] <olbi> xubuntu is too
[18:15] <olbi> http://twitter.com/#!/xubuntu :) but noone twitted
[18:15] <pleia2> olbi: that's what I just said :)
[18:16] <madnick> That's likely not a problem, if we really want that nickname
[18:16] <madnick> The offical trademark of anything is reserved the right
[18:17] <pleia2> does canonical hold the xubuntu trademark?
[18:17] <madnick> I think so
[18:17] <pleia2> (our site footer says they do, but I don't know if it's true)
[18:18] <pleia2> I'll ask around
[18:19] <madnick> http://www.canonical.com/legal
[18:19] <madnick> pleia2: ^
[18:19] <pleia2> madnick: oh great, thanks
[18:19] <madnick> "Canonical owns a number of trademarks and these include the CANONICAL, UBUNTU, KUBUNTU, EDUBUNTU, and XUBUNTU. The trademarks are registered in both word and logo form."
[18:19] <pleia2> now I just need to chase down who to nudge about getting twitter to move on this
[18:20] <olbi> :D
[18:20] <madnick> "When we determine that an account appears to be confusing users, but is not purposefully passing itself off as the trademarked good or service, we give the account holder an opportunity to clear up any potential confusion. We may also release a username for the trademark holder's active use."'
[18:21] <madnick> oh wait
[18:21] <madnick> i didnt read that good enough :P
[18:21] <pleia2> "may"
[18:21] <pleia2> heh
[18:21] <pleia2> well, we could try, since the person owning it now is just camping on the name
[18:22] <madnick> heh, it seems like twitter wants written stuff on this
[18:22] <pleia2> yeah, I'd have to get a canonical person to help with this
[18:22] <madnick> yup
[18:23] <madnick> Infact, it would be great to have guidelines on what one can do with the Xubuntu trademark
[18:24] <madnick> We had a question a while ago
[18:24] <madnick> About proper use of the logo
[18:24] <knome> what question?
[18:24] <madnick> is #xubuntu logged? because i dont remember exact what it was about .P
[18:24] <knome> it is
[18:24] <madnick> okay, well, ill try to find the question
[18:25] <madnick> Its not searchable :(
[18:26] <knome> lastlog is
[18:26] <knome> :)
[18:26] <madnick> lastlog
[18:26] <madnick> ops sorry
[18:26] <olbi> some1 could tell me, how I could run gnome-cpufreq on top pannel in xubuntu? it's possible?
[18:27] <madnick> knome: it was like 2-3 weeks ago, and i reset my client after that :P
[18:27] <pleia2> the logs tell me someone asked about using xubuntu in a domain name back in may
[18:27] <knome> hmm.
[18:27] <knome> pleia2, link?
[18:27] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/26/%23xubuntu.html#t15:44
[18:27] <pleia2> charlie wisely advised them to ask canonical
[18:28] <madnick> mine was more recent
[18:28] <knome> mm.
[18:28] <knome> there are domains with "ubuntu" too though
[18:40] <knome> pleia2, sent mail to xub dev ;)
[18:42] <pleia2> oh I see, I volunteer for one role and...
[18:42] <pleia2> :)
[18:42] <pleia2> thanks
[18:42] <knome> np ;)
[18:45] <olbi> :]
[18:49] <knome> one more mail
[18:49] <knome> :P
[18:51] <pleia2> ochosi \o/
[18:51] <knome>          |
[18:51] <knome>       / \
[18:51] <knome> what?!?
[18:51] <knome> irssi fail
[18:51] <knome> well
[18:51] <olbi> i use xchat :)
[18:51] <knome> ochosi, i'm very sorry to tell, but your legs were involved in an accident...
[18:52] <olbi> hahaha
[18:52] <olbi> ok falks, I have to go to home now, I will be back soon :)
[18:52] <knome> see you olbi 
[19:00] <jono> knome, hey
[19:00] <knome> hey jono 
[19:00] <jono> knome, all set?
[19:00] <knome> yes
[19:14] <ochosi> knome: :)
[19:14] <ochosi> pleia2: congrats!
[19:14] <ochosi> k, taking the evening off, see you tomorrow!
[19:14] <pleia2> ochosi: you too :)