[16:01] <shaunm> mdke: ping
[16:01] <mdke> shaunm: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[16:01] <shaunm> wow, freaky
[16:01] <shaunm> oh, auto-reply
[16:02] <shaunm> mdke: can you point me to the xslt customization you guys use for the web?
[16:03] <shaunm> I'm making some changes to mal2html.page.linktrails to make it easier to customize. I remember you have customizations for it, so I want to make sure my changes make things better for you
[16:37] <shaunm> I've added two stub templates for customizations: one to insert extra links (or whatever) at the beginning of each trail
[16:37] <shaunm> and one that's called if there are no trails to output (i.e. mal.link.linktrails returns nothing)
[16:38] <shaunm> I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you need to get the extra site links without overriding non-stub templates
[22:02] <elz89> I can't get the italic docbook tag to work?
[22:02] <elz89> I'm doing <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis>
[22:47] <nuno> hello there good evening
[23:01] <elz89> hi nuno
[23:02] <nuno> elz89: hi elz :)
[23:03] <nuno> elz89: i would like to contribute to the community by translating things, how can i do that?
[23:04] <nuno> elz89: i'm a Ubuntu/Linux noob actually, but, i loved the OS so much that i want to take part of the project and help in anything i can :)
[23:06] <elz89> nuno: OK, stick around. I am new to this all myself, but I am working on the 12.04 LTS Server Docs at the moment. Hopefully someone can advise you further.
[23:06] <shaunm> elz89: how are you viewing the docbook file?
[23:07] <nuno> elz89: I'm Portuguese, and i'm bilingual, ENG/PT. That's where i can contribute most
[23:07] <elz89> shaunm: leafpad
[23:08] <nuno> elz89: i will thanks :)
[23:08] <elz89> nuno: like I said, stick around buddy, someone will point you in the right direction.
[23:08] <shaunm> elz89: I'm confused. that's a text editor, yes?
[23:08] <elz89> yes
[23:08] <elz89> what should I be using?
[23:08] <nuno> elz89: Thank you
[23:08] <shaunm> I'm just not sure what you mean by not being able to get <emphasis> to work
[23:09] <elz89> <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis>
[23:09] <elz89> does not make ethX italic?
[23:09] <shaunm> yes, when docbook is rendered to some format like html. in leafpad, you're just seeing the markup
[23:10] <elz89> I am talking about after render.
[23:10] <shaunm> and the role attribute isn't necessary. every docbook processor I know of does italic by default for emphasis
[23:10] <elz89> shaunm: well I'm new to this so...
[23:10] <shaunm> it's cool
[23:11] <shaunm> sorry, that's what I was asking about. what tool are you using to render docbook to what?
[23:11] <elz89> 'make serverguide' is what i run
[23:12] <shaunm> does it show what commands it's running when you do that?
[23:12] <shaunm> possibly an xsltproc command?
[23:12] <elz89> yes i installed that package
[23:13] <elz89> and bzr docbook docbook-xsl xsltproc
[23:13] <shaunm> does it print the entire command it's using?
[23:13] <elz89> I could pastebin the entire command?
[23:13] <shaunm> there are two completely separate sets of docbook->html xslt transforms that are probably installed on your system
[23:13] <elz89> after 'make serverguide' ?
[23:13] <shaunm> that would be great
[23:13] <shaunm> yeah
[23:14] <elz89> ok
[23:14] <elz89> shaunm: gimme a min, on an Atom :-P
[23:22] <elz89> pastebinit clipped it at line 41 but here is the start http://paste.ubuntu.com/743731/
[23:23] <elz89> nuno: do you have a launchpad account?
[23:23] <nuno> elz89: no can you please tell where to register one?
[23:23] <elz89> nuno: take a look at this, but grab yourself an account first: https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[23:24] <shaunm> hum, I guess I'd have to know what ubuntu-html-chunk-cust.xsl is calling
[23:24] <nuno> elz89: thanks elz ;)
[23:24] <shaunm> where's mdke when you need him? :)
[23:24] <elz89> shaunm: sorry.
[23:25] <elz89> nuno: No problem buddy.
[23:27] <shaunm> oh, that's interesting
[23:27] <elz89> shaunm: ???
[23:28] <shaunm> docbook-xsl will actually not do the default italic formatting for any unrecognized roles
[23:28] <shaunm> drop the attribute. that should work
[23:28] <elz89> shaunm: but sometime I use "bold" ?
[23:29] <shaunm> yeah, so use role="bold" when you want bold, but don't use a role attribute when you just want italic
[23:29] <shaunm> (I'm kind of surprised the code works that way, but it does)
[23:30] <elz89> shaunm: I have been using this and only this so far... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/DocbookTags
[23:30] <shaunm> interesting
[23:31] <elz89> shaunm: so am I not using the version of DocBook that the page and tags refer to then or?...
[23:31] <shaunm> it's not so much a different version of DocBook
[23:32] <shaunm> honestly, I've never seen anybody use role="italic" anywhere. I'm surprised to see it on that page
[23:32] <shaunm> I do know that the other docbook->html transforms, the ones that are used inside yelp, work differently. role="italic" will work in yelp
[23:32] <shaunm> (although it's still unnecessary)
[23:33] <shaunm> so perhaps the person who wrote that page always used yelp to view docbook
[23:33] <elz89> on that page it says <emphasis role="italic">ethX</emphasis> it right, right?
[23:33] <shaunm> I would just use <emphasis>ethX</emphasis>
[23:33] <elz89> shaunm: ok
[23:36] <elz89> shaunm: because the 'make serverguide process takes ages, is there a way to only rebuild the 'network-config.xml' page that I am working on?
[23:36] <elz89> nuno: how is it going with launchpad?
[23:37] <shaunm> elz89: no, not really. a docbook document generally has to be processed as a whole
[23:37] <nuno> elz89: i just registered, and found a translation group
[23:38] <elz89> nuno: I gave you the link to the translation group?
[23:38] <shaunm> you could just try reading the document in yelp though. yelp is generally faster than docbook-xsl
[23:38] <nuno> elz89: am i going in the right track?
[23:38] <elz89> shaunm: ok, no problem.
[23:39] <nuno> on the page it said to look for my local translation group
[23:39] <elz89> shaunm: now that is where I get lost
[23:39] <nuno> elz89: oh i already messed up? :D (facepalm)
[23:39] <elz89> nuno: ok, maybe it does, I am not to sure as far translation stuff goes.
[23:40] <nuno> in the PT translation group?
[23:40] <elz89> nuno: no not messed up, i'm just not 100% sure where you should be heading, just get a launchpad account for now, get your keys sorted etc...
[23:41] <nuno> elz89: ok already got the account registered :)
[23:41] <elz89> nuno: good lad
[23:41] <elz89> pgp next
[23:41] <elz89> keys etc...
[23:41] <elz89> don't worry about ssh for docs. (or so I have been told)
[23:41] <nuno> elz89: ;)
[23:48] <elz89> shaunm: could you help me to understand the difference between yelp and docbook-xsl. I have only just got going with this, and I want to start off on the right foot.