[03:24] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[08:44] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:44] <dwatkins> hi MooDoo
[08:48] <Oldport> hii
[09:01] <dwatkins> Hooray! I finally have a rooted Android phone :D
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> w00t
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> or should I say
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> r00t
[09:28] <SuprEngr> "Stephen Fry (2 minutes ago from Twitter for Mac) Ooh - a new Ubuntu distro. 11.10 - what larks."
[09:29] <SuprEngr> [Good on ya, Mr. Fry]
[09:44] <gordonjcp> SuprEngr: it is entirely possible that he has been working in some remote part of the world and has not had time to check Ubuntu-y things for a month
[09:45] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/stephenfry
[09:45] <SuprEngr> ;)
[09:47] <SuprEngr> [he's probably looking for something "quite interesting" ;)
[09:49]  * MartijnVdS usually likes stackoverflow.. but for some reason it's being overrun by people who can't read
[10:18] <Myrtti> well that was anticlimactic
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> ?
[10:19] <Myrtti> I just unplugged my router from the phoneline and made it into a dumb access point just so I can use my old modem as a modem
[10:19] <Myrtti> all the connection problems are gone.
[10:19] <Myrtti> how disappointing.
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> You like connection problems?
[10:19] <Myrtti> no, I like saving money
[10:19] <Myrtti> I paid for that router that ended up being crappy
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> ah
[10:20] <Myrtti> the old one I didn't pay for
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> that's annoying
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> However.. it's good that it works now!
[10:20] <Myrtti> I suppose I should be happy for my n-connectivity on wifi now
[10:20] <Myrtti> I just have a feeling I could've gotten that cheaper
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: my DSL modem has gigabit ports.. but if I connect my gigabit switch I get >50% packet loss
[10:21] <popey> Morning
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> do now I have DSL modem -> 100mbit switch -> gigabit switch -> rest of network
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: \o
[10:22] <czajkowski> chrisjrob: welcome
[10:28] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:31] <mattt> hello
[10:32] <SuprEngr> o/
[10:37] <popey> \o/
[10:37] <popey>  minecraft 1.0 is finally here
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> oh noes
[10:40] <AlanBell> what platform would you use to build a simple like button or +1 service
[10:40] <AlanBell> so a button you could put on any website page that anyone could press to say "I like this"
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what do you mean? your own g+/fb competitor?
[10:40] <daubers> Morning
[10:41] <AlanBell> which would report back to a central server which might do a leaderboard of most liked stuff or something
[10:41] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yes, but just the +1 button
[10:41] <AlanBell> it will actually be the "hug" button
[10:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: that would be a small web app.. simple database.. spam protection would be the hardest part
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you could run that on any web host you like
[10:42] <AlanBell> I can host it easily enough
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> I'd go for django then
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> it's python, which is +1
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> it's easy to learn, also +1
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> and it comes with built-in database viewing tools, +1
[10:43] <AlanBell> django is good, yes
[10:43]  * AlanBell has the givehugs.net domain
[10:44] <popey> you should have got givehu.gs
[10:44]  * SuprEngr frantically registers takehugsback.net ;)
[10:45]  * popey registers stabbystabbystabstab.net
[10:45] <SuprEngr> :D
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: you want to make a -1 service, "stabs"?
[10:45] <popey> yeah, its totally the opposite of hugs isnt it?
[10:45] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: akismet
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: yes, but still. Spam--
[10:46] <AlanBell> someone has squatted givehu.gs
[10:46] <popey> bummer
[10:46]  * AlanBell checks variations
[10:47] <czajkowski> gimmiehu.gs
[10:47] <AlanBell> bighu.gs is available for $34.99
[10:48] <AlanBell> lots of variations available great-big-hu.gs
[10:50] <mattt> hugmedamm.it
[10:51] <AlanBell> cuddl.es
[10:51] <mattt> haha, nice
[10:52] <ali1234> hey azelphur, do you want an easy 300 rep on askubuntu?
[10:52] <Pr0ph3t> hi all
[10:52] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/78869/graphics-cards-so-i-can-have-4-monitors
[10:52] <AlanBell> cuddl/huggl/snuggl .es are all taken
[10:53] <AlanBell> anyhow, I have a starting domain, can add a .gs later
[10:53] <Pr0ph3t> do you have a link to a good guide I could use to connect through ssh to my ubuntu from Android?
[10:54] <Pr0ph3t> something which you've used perhaps?
[10:56] <AlanBell> Pr0ph3t: irssi connectbot
[10:56] <AlanBell> in the marketplace
[10:57] <AlanBell> you can set up key based authentication with it too
[10:59] <AlanBell> I wonder if I can do something rather fun with the etherpad lite libraries and givehugs
[11:00] <chrisjrob> morning czajkowski
[11:02] <Pr0ph3t> thank you AlanBell
[11:04] <MooDoo> you should be thanking him tomorrow ;)
[11:04] <AlanBell> ?
[11:05] <Pr0ph3t> is there also a guide on how to setup the ssh server on my ubuntu machine
[11:05] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install ssh
[11:05] <AlanBell> done
[11:05] <MooDoo> AlanBell: ubuntu community appreciation day :)
[11:05] <AlanBell> oh that!
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> "U CAD"?
[11:05] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:05] <MooDoo> http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/11/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day.html
[11:06] <MooDoo> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: CAD? "an ill-bred man, especially one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women."
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> ?
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[11:06] <ali1234> i would just like to say that, as a contributor, a pat on the head is not what i am looking for
[11:07]  * AlanBell pats ali1234 on the head
[11:07] <MooDoo> ali1234: stuff you then ;)
[11:07] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, I don't get it either
[11:07] <MooDoo> oh it's just nice, come on
[11:08] <AlanBell> don't worry, I am not going to get all bah humbug and argue against it
[11:09] <ali1234> did anyone actually read that post by arjan on g+?
[11:09] <AlanBell> yes
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it's just that lots of people don't need to be told they're doing good work all the time
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: and some people are even put off by it
[11:10]  * mattt has a very strong dislike for estate agents
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> which Arjan?
[11:11] <ali1234> what i want to hear right now is not "thanks for all your contributions" it is "this is how we are going to improve ubuntu for people with for than 5 seconds experience using a compouter"
[11:11] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/111049168280159033135/posts/XkVxezs1DZY
[11:11] <AlanBell> Arjan van de Ven's profile photo
[11:11] <AlanBell> Arjan van de Ven
[11:11] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: arjan van de ven from intel and meego/probably tizen now
[11:12] <MooDoo> ok ok then, you all suck. :)
[11:12] <mattt> oh cool, opsview are based in reading
[11:12] <czajkowski> meh every day should be appreciation not just one day
[11:13] <MooDoo> wow is this negative day today?
[11:13] <mattt> czajkowski: we're not parents
[11:13] <czajkowski> mattt: what has that got to do with it ?
[11:13] <ali1234> i dunno about any one else but i'm like this all the time
[11:13] <mattt> ali1234: me too
[11:13]  * mattt blames the economy
[11:13] <mattt> czajkowski: relax, it was a joke
[11:14] <czajkowski> mattt: no it made no sense hence I was asking what it had to do with it
[11:14] <czajkowski> am nice and relaxed with a cuppa tea on the couch
[11:14] <czajkowski> :)
[11:14]  * AlanBell is a parent
[11:14]  * MooDoo is at work, so you lot suck
[11:15]  * AlanBell wonders who the sucker is really
[11:15] <mattt> czajkowski: it was a silly comment, had no depth to it :)
[11:15] <czajkowski> ok
[11:15] <MooDoo> ali1234: :p
[11:15] <MooDoo> oops
[11:15] <MooDoo> AlanBell: :p
[11:19]  * AlanBell heads out to pick up http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190601857479&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
[11:19] <AlanBell> got it for eldest daughter
[11:20] <czajkowski> cool
[11:21] <AlanBell> she doesn't like justin beiber so can have a loud one
[11:23] <mattt> AlanBell: you say that now, until she discovers techno
[11:24] <mattt> or even worse, dubstep :(
[11:24]  * mattt sheds a tear for AlanBell
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> heh I have a similar system :)
[11:39] <brobostigon> :( bbc have ditched click again, on bbc news.
[11:43] <Pr0ph3t> body crisis! *shakes his fist angrily*
[12:09] <MooDoo> brobostigon: again?  why this time?
[12:09] <MooDoo> brobostigon: it's still available to watch on the bbc site
[12:11] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, i know, but i had it bookmarker and wanted to watch it, then, so alittle dissappointed as i have shopping etc to do this afternoon after lunch.
[12:38] <dwatkins> stupid BBC, they're turning into Fox
[12:38] <dwatkins> They'll be canning Doctor Who and turning it into an awful film next :(
[13:06] <BigRedS> People who use several different Firefox themes: how do you tell which is which?
[13:06] <BigRedS> I'm just poking around for themes/extensions to help with this, but I'd rather not need to install them in each profile
[13:06] <ali1234> ... they look different?
[13:06] <BigRedS> er, s/themes/profiles/ in the first line :)
[13:15]  * AlanBell has a noisier house now
[13:15] <AlanBell> still a place or two left for the christmas meal
[13:16] <BigRedS> Ah! Using 'Firefox', 'Nightly' and 'Iceweasel' sort-of works
[13:59] <jacobw> ++(bill)&ted;
[14:35] <SuprEngr> oops, need help here: 3 mobile dongle will *not* allow conxn with 11.10 - all other Ubuntus fine except 11.10
[14:36] <SuprEngr> [and confusingly, it's ok on Acer netbook's 11.10!]
[14:36] <SuprEngr> ...don't know where to start to diagnose &/orget info to report bug
[14:38] <BigRedS> SuprEngr: it'd be worth seeing what it's seen as in lsusb
[14:38] <BigRedS> does it show up at all when plugged in?
[14:39] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, pastebin was ready to go... will do
[14:39] <BigRedS> so you can see that it's there and should be able to connect, but it can't, or you plug it in and it's as if it's not plugged in?
[14:40] <BigRedS> I'll probably not be much use, though, I'm afraid
[14:40] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, and yes it does... starts with "you are now reigstered on the home network"... and then follows with "modem connection disconnected"
[14:40] <SuprEngr> [now doing lsusb]
[14:42] <SuprEngr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/743260/
[14:42] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, http://paste.ubuntu.com/743260/
[14:45] <BigRedS> Ah, so it sees it properly, just can't use it
[14:47] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, yup -spot on... I would put it down to a kernel bug in this release *if* the netbook had probs as well -it doesn't
[14:48] <BigRedS> all I can think of is to check you're using the same modules for it, and any relevant config
[14:48] <BigRedS> but I;ve no idea where/what that config is
[14:49] <SuprEngr> [first thought was "ah... banshee again [11.04 Banshee used to kill the connection as soon as Banshee started] so I removed Banshee & put Rythymbox on instead -no difference
[14:51] <SuprEngr> BigRedS, thanks for the thoughts anyway
[14:53] <SuprEngr> lswlan
[14:55] <elz89> SuprEngr: take a look at blacklisted hardware, it could be a simple case of removing the offending black mark.
[14:56] <elz89> I seem to remember this being the case for a few 'broadcom' devices I have set up recently.
[15:00] <SuprEngr> elz89, thanks... now doing
[15:01] <riaz123> hi, greetings to all
[15:02] <jacobw> hey riaz123 :)
[15:02] <riaz123> dear jacobw: I have a problem can you please help me to solve that
[15:03] <jacobw> !ask
[15:03] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> cool: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=956977232793
[15:05] <riaz123> actually i was inslatting ubuntu 11.10 and the files were fully downloaded from the internt but, after that my system suddenly shut down due to power problem then after that when I started the system, my previous version was also not running. Now what should i do?
[15:07] <jacobw> reinstall
[15:08] <SuprEngr> elz89, nope, nothing found [that lookks relevant] in any modprobe file
[15:08] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: why does chrome do that?!
[15:09] <elz89> SuprEngr: google is your friend, I can't remember off hand where the files are for blacklisted hardware.
[15:10] <SuprEngr> elz89, me go hunt ;)
[15:10] <jacobw> riaz123: without knowing exactly how far the installer got, its hard to know where to start with recovering the install
[15:10] <jacobw> riaz123: a new install would take much less time
[15:11] <riaz123> jacobw: actually some packages were probably installed because when I start the system I get a welcome (Login) screen but it does not provide TEXT FIELD to enter password
[15:13] <jacobw> riaz123: are you aware than you can't see your password as *s as you type it?
[15:14] <riaz123> jacobw can I update the previous install, because actually I had some data in previous version and I want to recover that (dont want to loose that) and for new install I dont have that much free hard disk space
[15:14] <jacobw> riaz123: also, the install may well have not created a sudoer with a set password
[15:15] <jacobw> riaz123: was the previous install all on one partition?
[15:15] <riaz123> yes jacobw
[15:16] <jacobw> riaz123: the installer won't have destroyed anything in /home
[15:16] <riaz123> ok jacobw: then can I recover from there?
[15:17] <jacobw> riaz123: yes
[15:17] <riaz123> how? what to do?
[15:17] <jacobw> riaz123: when you tried to reinstall, did you choose upgrade?
[15:18] <riaz123> yes jacobwan:
[15:18] <riaz123> jacobwan: I can still use the terminal
[15:18] <riaz123> and can login from terminal
[15:19] <jacobw> riaz123: ok, do `cat /etc/issue`
[15:19] <riaz123> jacobwan: from root?
[15:20] <jacobw> from anywhere
[15:21] <riaz123> Yes jacobwan: when I entered this command I got "Ubuntu 11.04 \n\l"
[15:21] <jacobw> ok, and 11.04 is what you were upgrading from?
[15:21] <riaz123> yes jacobw:
[15:24] <jacobw> ok, boot the installer and choose upgrade again
[15:24] <riaz123> how?
[15:25] <riaz123> jacobw: can you please explain
[15:25] <jacobw> did you use the installer to upgrade or di you upgrade from the installation?
[15:26] <jacobw> i.e. did you use a live cd or usb, or did you use update manager?
[15:26] <riaz123> jacobw: I upraded from UPDATE MANAGER
[15:27] <jacobw> ok, does `ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com` work?
[15:29] <riaz123> jacobw: yes
[15:29] <jacobw> excellent :)
[15:29] <jacobw> do `do-release-upgrade` and follow its prompts
[15:29] <riaz123> ok
[15:29] <jacobw> it will upgrade you to the current release
[15:30] <riaz123> yes jacobw: it is getting files
[15:31] <jacobw> it'll ask a lot of questions, accept the default answers
[15:31] <riaz123> ok
[15:32] <SuprEngr> to those who offered help BigRedS, elz89 ;)  solved - not from google or modprobe - any SuprEngr Rule 1 - "what's the difference between what does work and what doesn't work"?
[15:32] <SuprEngr> netbook has inbuilt wifi - main pooter uses a doinle
[15:33] <SuprEngr> pull the dongle - eh voila, £ dongle is what I'm now talking to yawlz with
[15:33] <jacobw> that doesn't sound like a solution :p
[15:35] <SuprEngr> ...if it stops a boat sinking - it's a solution, if it stops a car crashing - that's also a solution... idf darn 3 dongle is in conflicyt with wifi dongle & only 1 is needed at a time - *that works*
[15:36] <SuprEngr> ...now I can do diagnosise and report as bug as & whwn needed -  smug grin ;)
[15:37] <SuprEngr> &damn these injured fingers - sorry about spelling
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: injured fingers?
[15:38] <jacobw> :(
[15:38] <SuprEngr> jacobw, joys of being a SuperEngineer! - see.. spelling ok when typed slowly ;)
[15:39] <jacobw> rsi/carpal?
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> he's an engineer, probably some bridge fell on his fingers or something ;)
[15:40] <SuprEngr> ...end result of all this is: I can connect when wifi dies. It now makes 11.10 [and therefore 12.04] a viable option - smiles all round
[15:40] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: i hate it when that happens :p
[15:41] <SuprEngr> MartijnVdS, not a bridge - an ATM
[15:41] <jacobw> ouch
[15:41] <SuprEngr> [felt like a bridge tho :D
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: ah, you're one of those people that take ATMs out of walls using heavy equipment ;)
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: at night?
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: when nobody's watching
[15:42] <SuprEngr> NO!
[15:42] <SuprEngr> I soplve the probs after some nasty has done just that!
[15:42] <SuprEngr> ...or tried ;)
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> "ram raiding"
[15:43] <SuprEngr> hey no beastiality involved
[15:43] <SuprEngr> but hmmm
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> ...
[15:43]  * MartijnVdS decides it's time for some cleaning
[15:45] <SuprEngr> MartijnVdS, what - do the sheep make a mess then?
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> SuprEngr: I'm Dutch not Welsh
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[15:46] <SuprEngr> MartijnVdS, ;)
[15:48]  * SuprEngr logs off to switch back to wlan
[16:55] <jutnux> Wow Linux Mint is loking nice.
[16:57] <dwatkins> I can see why people are switching, what with its slick interface and not having Unity.
[16:57] <jutnux> Umhm.
[16:57] <jutnux> I might stay on the Mint bandwagon, will have to try out 12.04 though.
[16:57] <jutnux> Ubuntu 12.04 that is.
[17:00] <jutnux> Anyone ever used an Archos 101 tablet?
[17:04] <monsterwizard> lol mint
[17:08] <Myrtti> archos 101?
[17:08]  * Myrtti googles
[17:08] <jutnux> Myrtti: An Android tablet ;)
[17:09] <jutnux> Cheap, but will do the job.
[17:11] <Myrtti> right
[17:14]  * popey is getting impatient, want my asus transformer to arrive
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe it already has, but it's in disguise
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: Is there a car you don't know parked nearby?
[17:15] <popey> hah
[17:16] <dwatkins> "more than eats the pie"
[17:16] <popey> also impatient waiting for my ac100!
[17:16]  * popey is going all arm
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: BUY ALL THE ARMS
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> ?
[17:17] <popey> YES
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: so.. arms dealer?
[17:17] <popey> hah
[17:17] <jutnux> Is the AC100 a smartbook?
[17:19] <popey> define smartbook ☺
[17:19] <popey> its a laptop with an arm based cpu
[17:19] <popey> comes with android but can be made to run Ubuntu
[17:19] <jutnux> I guess you're going to be doing that/ :P
[17:19]  * MartijnVdS waits for a Galaxy Nexus from clove.co.uk
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> they say they'll ship the 23rd
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> speaking of arm devices :)
[17:20]  * jutnux more importantly waits for tea.
[17:20]  * MartijnVdS has green tea
[17:20]  * jutnux meant the food tea, but has the usual tea tea also.
[17:20]  * MooDoo waits for 5:30 so he can go home
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you were thrown out for the day?
[17:21] <dwatkins> Working at weekends sucks.
[17:22] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: what dwatkins said, working weekend
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> :(
[18:12] <BigRedS> Are IDE drives /dev/sd? in newer kernels?
[18:13] <popey> yes
[18:13] <BigRedS> bah. People keep making my job harder.
[18:14] <BigRedS> :)
[18:14]  * BigRedS wanders off down /sys for a bit
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> what's the problem?
[18:15] <BigRedS> I need to replace a drive and I'm not sure whethere I want an IDE or a sata one
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> you want sata
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> really.
[18:15] <BigRedS> but there's nothing oin /sys/bus/ide/devices and there are things in /dev/sys/bus/scsi, so I think it's sata
[18:15] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't know if the motherboard does
[18:15] <BigRedS> well, didn't
[18:15] <popey> smart will tell you
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: lspci :)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: hdparm will as well right?
[18:15] <popey> smartctl in fact will give you the model number
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> or
[18:16] <popey> pass
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> uhrm
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> palimpsest
[18:16] <popey> disk utility
[18:16] <popey> that ☺
[18:16] <BigRedS> haha, ok, so there's millions of ways :)
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: BAJILLIONS
[18:16] <popey> \o/ bajillions
[18:16] <BigRedS> but I *liked* just lsing in /dev
[18:16] <penguin42> BigRedS: I suggest a screwdriver
[18:16] <popey> well
[18:16] <popey> just go to /dev/disk/by-id
[18:16] <popey> or by-uuid or whatever
[18:16] <popey> the model number is in the folder name
[18:17] <BigRedS> penguin42: but I need to get up to do that
[18:17] <penguin42> nod
[18:27] <daubers> Evening
[18:27] <daubers> Just been to the first official kinda hack stuff meet at the Reading hackspace
[18:27] <daubers> CnC mills rock
[18:29]  * penguin42 gave a talk on ssh at ManLUG
[18:30] <funkyHat> penguin42: did you mention awesome things like agent forwarding?
[18:31] <penguin42> funkyHat: No, I skipped agent forwarding; I did mention use of the agent, and various bits of port forwarding, key setup and the like
[18:31] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[18:32] <funkyHat> What I would like actually is a way to reattach a forwarded agent to stuff running in screen after reconnecting to a remote host. I think that might be wishful thinking though
[18:33] <penguin42> you've got to be pretty careful with agent forwarding though
[18:33] <funkyHat> Of course, I have it disabled by default and enabled for hosts that I own
[18:45] <shauno> could be interesting for a few in here - the next round of stanford online courses have added a crypto one - http://www.crypto-class.org/
[18:46] <jacobw> awesome
[19:13]  * daubers sticks on some star trek and does some codeing
[19:17] <jutnux> Star Trek? :P
[19:17] <jutnux> THe movie was good, don't know about the TV shows though.
[19:18]  * brobostigon keeps his moth shut, he is a memory alpha editor.
[19:18] <brobostigon> mouth*
[19:20] <daubers> jutnux: This is one of the movies
[19:20] <daubers> Star Trek VI
[19:21] <brobostigon> 11*
[19:21] <brobostigon>  :)
[19:22] <daubers> 11?
[19:22] <brobostigon> the last ST film.
[19:23] <daubers> Ah, I'm watching the Undiscovered Country. Been slowly going through them recently
[19:28] <AlanBell> think I am going to try some music stuff
[19:29] <daubers> music stuff?
[19:29] <AlanBell> yes, I have a cupboard of CDs that I used to listen to
[19:30]  * Seeker` loves the irony of simon pegg being in the 11th ST film
[19:30] <AlanBell> so I stick CDs in, import them to banshee and I can play them on all the computers in the house somehow right?
[19:33] <daubers> somehow :)
[19:34] <GreenDance> Evening All
[19:34] <AlanBell> I have only used banshee a couple of times, both when I clicked an ogg file of a podcast or UDS session and a minute later it started, then chewed up all processor cores and sent my laptop into thermal overload
[19:34] <GreenDance> does anyone know the name of the package that contains the ubuntu wallpaper
[19:35] <AlanBell> it has some making up to do
[19:35] <GreenDance> i can't seem to find the right package that has the current default wallpaper in
[19:36] <AlanBell> dpkg --search warty-final-ubuntu.png
[19:36] <AlanBell> ubuntu-wallpapers: /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[19:36] <AlanBell> and it isn't a png it is a jpg
[19:36] <AlanBell> the exension is a lie
[19:36] <AlanBell> extension
[19:37] <AlanBell> as is the warty bit really
[19:37]  * AlanBell listens to pulp
[19:38] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I'm trying to find the package though Alan, please
[19:38] <GreenDance> @ http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[19:38] <AlanBell> ubuntu-wallpapers
[19:38] <AlanBell> as I did point out :)
[19:38] <AlanBell> !info ubuntu-wallpapers
[19:39] <lubotu3`> ubuntu-wallpapers (source: ubuntu-wallpapers): Ubuntu Wallpapers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.31.10 (natty), package size 3028 kB, installed size 3472 kB
[19:39] <AlanBell> dpkg --search will go find what package a file on your system came from
[19:39] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I installed that package, but the wallpaper looks a bit different from the one that's on the default cd-rom
[19:40] <AlanBell> um, back up a bit, why wasn't that already installed?
[19:40] <GreenDance> Because I'm running a minimal install
[19:41] <GreenDance> The wallpaper I can see is purple, but like a different design from the one on the ubuntu cd-rom
[19:42] <AlanBell> 11.04 and 11.10 were only slightly different
[19:42] <GreenDance> oh
[19:43] <GreenDance> you know what it is
[19:43] <GreenDance> it's because i'm running the 10.04
[19:43] <GreenDance> and as you say the wallpaper in 11.04 is different
[19:43] <GreenDance> slightly
[19:43] <GreenDance> by bad
[19:43] <GreenDance> sorry
[19:43] <GreenDance> :)
[19:43] <GreenDance> Thanks AlanBell
[19:44] <AlanBell> Stalking_Ocelot_by_Sayantan_Chaudhuri.jpg is better than the 11.10 default
[19:44] <GreenDance> :)
[19:45] <AlanBell> in fact the default ones have not been as good as the optional ones since Hardy
[19:49] <AlanBell> so what is a DAAP server? (in banshee)
[19:49] <GreenDance> I have no idea, sorry
[19:49] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Access_Protocol
[19:49] <mgdm> AlanBell: it's the network music sharing thing used by iTunes
[19:51] <AlanBell> so do I need to set up a DAAP server?
[19:51] <AlanBell> or can one banshee be a daap server to another?
[19:51] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I've found a bug, it might be in Ubuntu, but I'm not sure, for people who have a host machine of Windows 7, install the latest Virtual Box, and Install Ubuntu 11.10 Minimal, Ubuntu 11.10 Minimal Installs fine, but won't boot, just hangs with a blue or black screen inside Virtual Box.
[19:52] <mgdm> AlanBell: Rhythmbox serves and receives DAAP, I presume Banshee will be similar
[19:52] <mgdm> AlanBell: just switch on two Banshees and each should see the other
[19:52] <Seeker`> :O I spy a mgdm
[19:52] <mgdm> ello :)
[19:52] <GreenDance> Hi mgdm
[19:53] <AlanBell> mgdm: they don't appear to be seeing each other
[19:53] <mgdm> AlanBell: are they on the same network subnet?
[19:53] <GreenDance> @AlanBell: I contacted the Virtual Box team, and they said it's not Virtual Box at fault.
[19:53] <AlanBell> yes, I do have some problems with .local resolving though
[19:54] <AlanBell> GreenDance: what is the link to the minimal install you are doing?
[19:54] <AlanBell> I don't have windows, but I can try it in virtualbox on Ubuntu
[19:55] <GreenDance> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:55] <AlanBell> download complete
[19:55] <AlanBell> I love my broadband
[19:55] <GreenDance> :)
[19:56] <AlanBell> GreenDance: you set up the VM as ubuntu 64 bit right?
[19:56] <GreenDance> yes
[19:57] <AlanBell> installing now
[19:58] <GreenDance> :)
[20:00] <AlanBell> mgdm: do I have to set any preference somewhere to make the sharing magic turn on?
[20:02] <AlanBell> GreenDance: I have a debootstrap warning about libselinux1 which is not good
[20:02] <AlanBell> failing all over the place
[20:03] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I've not had that problem
[20:03] <GreenDance> AlanBell: It installs for me, but won't boot
[20:04] <AlanBell> md5sum matches
[20:04] <GreenDance> AlanBell: so for you it won't even install?
[20:04]  * AlanBell tries again
[20:05]  * GreenDance wishes AlanBell good luck.
[20:05] <mgdm> AlanBell: I don't use Banshee so I've no idea
[20:05] <mgdm> AlanBell: I would, however, presume so
[20:05]  * AlanBell wonders if it is a Laney or directhex question
[20:06] <AlanBell> otherwise my Katie Melua will be trapped on one computer
[20:06] <mgdm> it's a plugin in RB which you have to enable
[20:08] <AlanBell> http://www.sehofstede.nl/banshee-14-with-daap-music-sharing they removed the daap server
[20:09] <AlanBell> that is sub optimal
[20:10] <AlanBell> GreenDance: same errors
[20:11] <AlanBell> can't install it
[20:12] <GreenDance> hrm
[20:12] <GreenDance> so there's another bug somewhere by the sounds of it
[20:13] <GreenDance> I don't know what would be causing that
[20:13] <AlanBell> no, it is very odd
[20:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: hello!
[20:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: who do I give my allergy information to?
[20:21] <AlanBell> oh crikey!
[20:21] <AlanBell> me
[20:21] <AlanBell> I will pass it on
[20:22] <bigcalm> Thank you :)
[20:22] <bigcalm> I'd rather not have anaphylactic shock in the dark ;)
[20:23] <bigcalm> Spinach is a BIG no no
[20:23] <AlanBell> sabdfl was telling me how he went there and they mistook "allergic to shellfish" for "extra shrimp please"
[20:23] <bigcalm> Which is a bugger
[20:23] <bigcalm> Oh no :(
[20:23] <bigcalm> Yeah, muscles will make me heave as well
[20:24] <Myrtti> mussels
[20:24] <bigcalm> Aye, them ones
[20:24] <bigcalm> I likes cooked muscle
[20:24]  * Myrtti makes a tick in her calendar
[20:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: correcting people's typos?
[20:25] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I do confess I do smile every time I correct a native
[20:26] <Myrtti> It may be a telling sign of how much amusement I've got in my life at times
[20:27] <bigcalm> Myrtti: it's usual for non-natives to have a better knowledge of the language. At least a technical knowledge
[20:28] <Myrtti> bigcalm: in this case I just wondered why muscles would make you heave
[20:28] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:28] <Myrtti> other than them being your own
[20:29] <bigcalm> English is a minefield of different spellings having the same sound but meaning different things. As well as same spellings meaning different things depending upon context
[20:29] <bigcalm> Take the lead
[20:29] <bigcalm> Am I inviting you to some Pb or to show me the way?
[20:30] <Myrtti> hehe
[20:30] <Myrtti> talking of allergies and other food ... disabilities
[20:30] <Myrtti> I cooked celery today
[20:30] <bigcalm> Good in veggy soup
[20:31] <Myrtti> I get a headache from smelling fresh celery and migraine from eating it
[20:31] <bigcalm> :(
[20:31] <Myrtti> the lentil stew I used it in for mirepoix was nice tho
[20:31] <bigcalm> Cannabis does that to me :(
[20:37] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I've tried it again on my setup, it installs for me, but will not boot.
[20:40] <GreenDance> AlanBell: I wonder what would have changed from 10.04 to 11.10
[20:41] <AlanBell> dunno
[20:41] <AlanBell> tangerine isn't opening a daap TCP port on 3689 for me
[20:45] <GreenDance> yikes, looking at wikipedia, theres 53 third-party distro's based on ubuntu
[20:46] <GreenDance> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#Ubuntu-based
[20:48]  * BigRedS wonders if that genuinely is solving 53 different problems
[20:48]  * BigRedS should probably be less cynical
[20:51] <AlanBell> well tangerine does not appear to work
[20:53] <directhex> the file plugin ought to work
[20:54] <AlanBell> is that something to install? I can't see it in banshee preferences
[20:55] <AlanBell> or do you mean pointing tangerine at the Music folder?
[20:55] <AlanBell> that does not appear to work either
[20:59] <AlanBell> ah, got something working locally now
[21:03] <daubers> I do enjoy star trek :)
[21:03] <AlanBell> it can't connect to itself over localhost, but it does locally discover itself
[21:05] <AlanBell> and telling it to stop sharing just doesn't
[21:05] <directhex> it's not listening on localhost, it's listening on your mdns IP
[21:05] <AlanBell> surely people who listen to music get this stuff set up?
[21:06]  * daubers just keeps his music on shared storage
[21:07]  * BigRedS paid to make it somebody else's problem
[21:07] <directhex> connecting to a daap share that isn't autodiscovered is a fool's errand. it's pretty much designed not to work like that
[21:07] <directhex> because teh apples want it to be super easy
[21:07] <directhex> and it's their spec
[21:07] <AlanBell> ok
[21:08] <AlanBell> ooh, something has happened
[21:09] <Myrtti> mpd ♥
[21:09] <AlanBell> great, I now have the ability to stream UDS session recordings from my laptop to the one I want to use as a media server
[21:10] <daubers> I have considered just feeding all of my suff to a dnla server and letting that sort it out
[21:11] <AlanBell> yay, it works \o/
[21:11] <AlanBell> that was weird
[21:13] <Myrtti> I just realised I can free up space from my phone's memory card for more audiobooks now that I'm halfway uploading my music to Google Music by deleting music
[21:13] <Myrtti> \o/
[21:14] <Myrtti> although I suppose I could have done that earlier with using Spotify and all
[21:17] <GreenDance> I'm watching PickTV (formally Sky3) there's a police programme on, some police force is still using Windows 2000, that's shocking.
[21:18] <brobostigon> !info rar
[21:18] <lubotu3`> rar (source: rar): Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2:4.0.b3-1 (natty), package size 554 kB, installed size 1188 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[21:19] <AlanBell> jpds needs to tweak the lubotus into oneiric mode
[21:20] <brobostigon> i was looking for debian sid package. :)
[21:21] <GreenDance> Hi brobostigon  :)
[21:21] <brobostigon> hi GreenDance
[21:21] <brobostigon> ! rar unstable
[21:21] <brobostigon> !info rar unstable
[21:22] <lubotu3`> rar (source: rar): Archiver for .rar files. In component non-free, is optional. Version 2:4.0.b3-1 (unstable), package size 555 kB, installed size 1180 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[21:22] <GreenDance> !info schools
[21:22] <brobostigon> :)
[21:22] <lubotu3`> Package schools does not exist in natty
[21:22] <brobostigon> win 19
[21:22] <AlanBell> fail 20
[21:22] <GreenDance> !info edubuntu
[21:22] <lubotu3`> Package edubuntu does not exist in natty
[21:23] <AlanBell> !info edubuntu-desktop
[21:23] <lubotu3`> edubuntu-desktop (source: edubuntu-meta): educational desktop for Ubuntu. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.90 (natty), package size 2 kB, installed size 48 kB
[21:23] <AlanBell> it is a metapackage
[21:23] <GreenDance> :)
[21:24] <brobostigon> question, why is rar under non-free in debian? i thought it was an open algorithem.
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> yes but the rar tool itself is non-free
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> there's unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files
[21:25] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> \oi/ .tar.xz btw ;)
[21:26] <brobostigon> so it is a dfsg version of that non-free rar tool.
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> just the unrar bits
[21:27] <GreenDance> question, the default display drivers in ubuntu, are they "free software"?
[21:27] <AlanBell> yes
[21:27] <brobostigon> !info unrar-free unstable
[21:27] <lubotu3`> unrar-free (source: unrar-free): Unarchiver for .rar files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 (unstable), package size 20 kB, installed size 104 kB
[21:27] <AlanBell> there are things that make it easy to install the non-free drivers
[21:29] <AlanBell> directhex: any idea if there is a way to get tangerine to scan for new tracks without killing the daemon and restarting?
[21:29] <GreenDance> does the linux kernel contain non-free things in?
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> only if you put them there (nvidia, ati drivers, some bits of firmware from all kinds of hardware)
[21:29] <BigRedS> that depends a little bit on your definitions of 'free' and 'kernel', but generally no
[21:30]  * GreenDance learns :)
[21:30] <BigRedS> I've seen definitions bent out of the norm to argue that it does, but by all definitions that don't exist entirely to argue that it's non-free, it's completely free.
[21:31] <AlanBell> if you add non-free stuff it taints the kernel (sets a taint flag in it)
[21:31] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadable_kernel_module#Tainting
[21:32] <penguin42> GreenDance: There are interesting questions about firmware blobs, but they are now pretty seprate from the kernel
[21:32] <GreenDance> :)
[21:38] <AlanBell> listening to two things at once makes a surprising amount of sense to me
[22:00] <BigRedS> is there a dotdeb equivalent for ubuntu? I want php 5.3 on Lucid
[22:00] <AlanBell> ppa is I guess the equivalent
[22:00] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[22:00]  * BigRedS is having a simple day today
[22:01] <AlanBell> dunno if there is one for that
[22:01]  * AlanBell is enjoying the open source procurement thread on the list
[22:01] <BigRedS> Ah, I'm tempted to just see if the php5.3-on-lenny dotdeb repo breaks things on lucid. I'd image it'd be fine
[22:05] <BigRedS> Ah yeah. Handy distraction from work :)
[22:08] <DJones> BigRedS: Does this help https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid
[22:10] <BigRedS> DJones: yeah, ta. Just trying to find one by someone with an @canonical.com address - customer distrusts things which aren't companies
[22:10] <BigRedS> (except debian, but I suspect that's because nobody has told him)
[22:10] <DJones> I think that one was a canonical address
[22:11] <BigRedS> yeah, it does :)
[22:11] <BigRedS> cheers!
[22:11] <DJones> Just found this as well
[22:11] <DJones> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/php5
[22:11] <AlanBell> BigRedS: that is Chuck
[22:11] <BigRedS> DJones: oh!
[22:11] <BigRedS> hm, I'll clean up this apt configuration a bit first and see what's what
[22:12] <DJones> That packages.ubuntu version would suggestthat 5.3 is in the security repo
[22:12] <BigRedS> There's a bunch of pinning to karmic, and all that's failing now. I'd not thought to recheck the lucid repos
[22:15] <AlanBell> BigRedS: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ see all those odd pictures with the bloke in a blue tshirt gimped onto various locations?
[22:15] <AlanBell> that is zulcss
[22:15] <AlanBell> hope your customer likes that
[22:16] <mgdm> whut le eff
[22:16] <BigRedS> Ah. I might not show him that
[22:16] <BigRedS> :)
[22:16] <AlanBell> I have no comprehension of the meaning of the meme
[22:18] <BigRedS> yeah, once I removed all the pinning bodges, suddenly I can have 5.3 straight outta the repos. Ta DJones !
[22:20] <mgdm> Whee
[22:20]  * mgdm is poking at a PHP library
[22:22] <AlanBell> doesn't appear to be any parental controls or age restriction stuff in the daap protocol
[22:23]  * mgdm watches PECL 'upgrade' a PHP extension
[22:23] <mgdm> except I know for a fact taht the version it's installing is older, because I wrote the ext, and it's just blatted the compiled-from-git one :)
[22:25] <GreenDance> AlanBell: is there a command line command to set backgrouns?
[22:25] <GreenDance> background*
[22:25] <BigRedS> mgdm: I'm not sure you've really got cause for complaint there :)
[22:26] <mgdm> hehe
[22:26] <AlanBell> GreenDance: probably, but I don't know what it is
[22:28] <BigRedS> GreenDance: I'd imagine gconftool can do it
[22:28] <BigRedS> That seems to be the tool to turn to if you want to interfere with Gnome's settings from the command line
[22:29] <shauno> it appears to be gsettings for things which are gnome3-based
[22:29] <shauno> eg, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri file:///path/to/mybackground.jpg
[22:30] <GreenDance> Thank You
[22:30] <shauno> (can't promise that works, I haven't tried lately)
[22:38] <GreenDance> it's gconftool :)
[23:09] <GreenDance> Hey, I've installed network-manager-gnome but it didn't appear in the gnome panel, does anyone know why please?
[23:10] <AlanBell> are you using gnome panel or the unity indicator bar
[23:11] <brobostigon> !info nm-applet
[23:11] <lubotu3`> Package nm-applet does not exist in natty
[23:11] <GreenDance> AlanBell: gnome-panel
[23:12] <AlanBell> nm-applet is in network-manager-gnome
[23:12] <AlanBell> have you run nm-applet?
[23:12] <GreenDance> how do i run that please?
[23:12] <AlanBell> nm-applet &
[23:13] <brobostigon> alt + f3
[23:13] <brobostigon> alt + f2
[23:13] <brobostigon> the latter.
[23:14] <GreenDance> nothing happens :(
[23:14] <brobostigon> run nm-applet from terminal see what happens.
[23:16] <GreenDance> nm-applet is already running, warning constructor couldnt initalize the d-bus manager
[23:17] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <AlanBell> that will fix it :)
[23:18] <brobostigon> AlanBell: may i ask, under what presumption? how will that metapackage fix it? ie, will it simply think somthing is missing and replace it? which is what it would dpo.
[23:19] <AlanBell> brobostigon: GreenDance is starting from the minimal iso and appears to be putting a desktop together bit by bit
[23:19] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ah, so yes, things would be missing, i must have missed that, sorry.
[23:20] <AlanBell> GreenDance: I would try killing the running nm-applet and running it again, if you just want that running
[23:48] <BigRedS> Hm. OO.o forum move, 200K posts and 45K users
[23:48] <BigRedS> 4 posts per user?
[23:49] <AlanBell> lots of lurkers
[23:49] <AlanBell> lots and lots of single posters
[23:50] <BigRedS> yeah, I suppose. Just seems really low
[23:50] <BigRedS> and, probably, they've taken all the users but only the last N years of posts
[23:50] <AlanBell> it does, not sure how it compares to other forums
[23:51] <brobostigon> it is certainly weird the result you get if you google my nick.
[23:51] <BigRedS> the only forum I'm a member of has 955 posts per member over four years or so. But it's probably an unusually small community
[23:53]  * GreenDance loves linux :)
[23:54]  * brobostigon loves BeOS and haiku :)
[23:56] <GreenDance> brobostigon: a metapackage forces another package to install, can i break the link, as when i try to uninstall the other package it wants to also remove the first metapackage
[23:57] <brobostigon> GreenDance: in theory yes, if you try to remove something that is wihtin said metapackage it will try and remove the whole thing.
[23:58] <AlanBell> err, no
[23:58] <AlanBell> it will remove the metapackage
[23:58] <AlanBell> but not all the other bits of it
[23:58] <brobostigon> that was my understanding, i have never tried.
[23:58] <brobostigon> ah,
[23:58] <brobostigon> i was partly right.
[23:59] <brobostigon> sorry,