=== xGrindoff is now known as xGrind [08:20] madnick: morning, just started working on the lightdm-greeter mockup [08:32] ochosi: awesome :) [08:33] i'm still thinking of going somewhere in this direction: http://images.derStandard.at/2011/11/03/1319222803137.png [08:34] i think dropping the "fake panel" on top or bottom – which we always used to have because of gdm – is a rather good idea [08:34] because we don't really need it anymore [08:34] and it looks cleaner [08:35] madnick: btw, do you have the white glowing xubuntu-logo anywhere? [08:36] ochosi: typ i do [08:36] yup* [08:36] 1 sec [08:36] ty [08:36] ochosi: acctually are you using oneiric? [08:37] yup [08:37] if you are, its /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.png [08:37] and thats the same as i got :P [08:37] lol [08:37] thanks [08:37] just didn't want to bother searching ;) [08:38] i think knome has an svg [08:38] png is fine for mockups [08:38] okay [08:42] I ran into some really annoying problems when I attempted to fix the settings dialog for lightdm :P [08:43] rly, what problems? [08:43] Well, I need the parent to resize my plug window, which it sorta does [08:44] But fixed + resize :( [08:44] The settings window is resizable [08:45] right, not sure i get the problematic part of being able to resize the window [08:45] it'll just add scrollbars, no? [08:46] (if not, i guess you can add an option to your window to enable them) [08:46] No no, if you make the window biggeer [08:46] Instead of smaller [08:46] it would keep its position [08:46] by default [08:46] all the widgets [08:48] (yes, i could manually remap them, but that feels unclean) [08:50] yeah, but isn't it ok if they keep their position? [08:50] i mean what would you expect them to do? spread evenly across the gained space? [08:53] ochosi: yes :) [08:53] well [08:53] technically i'd expect the list view to always be to the right [08:53] thats why I put it on the left :P [08:53] yeah, but personally i wouldn't consider it a bug [08:54] okay [08:54] i'm trying to check with other apps in the settings-manager dialog, one sec [08:54] hm, can't you simply set the box containing the listview to expand? [08:55] afair that's only a single packing option in gtk2 [08:56] not sure if i can when its fixed [08:57] well, if you really do want it like that, i can manually set it up to handle the resize event [08:58] first draft: http://imagebin.org/184727 [08:58] ochosi: because its not really packing on fixed [08:58] :)) [08:58] clicking the avatar would show a dropdown list of available users on the system [08:58] but you could still enter your username by hand [08:58] i like that idea [08:59] i'm actually wondering whether that makes any sense though [08:59] cause without a username on the system you shouldn't be able to log in anyway [09:00] true [09:00] knome: whenever you're around, what do you think of this? http://imagebin.org/184727 [09:00] hmyeah, you know it makes the whole thing look a bit overcrowded [09:00] we could do something like fedora does [09:00] or at least i think they do [09:01] is the following scenario possible: [09:02] we only have a user-avatar and name displayed, clicking it shows the dropdown of available users, the only input box is a password-box. on the lower left corner we have "Not listed here?", upon clicking that instead of the user-chooser a simple text-input-box would appear [09:02] sure [09:02] awesome [09:02] i think that'd be the behaviour i'd consider best [09:02] what do you think about it? [09:03] I think, if they are not listed, they do not exist in the user database :P [09:03] exactly, that's why i'm wondering why we need an input-box for them [09:04] the "Not listed here?" would be a kinda fallback if for some reason (bug) the username is not available [09:04] yup [09:04] but anyway, getting more opinions on that is probably a good idea [09:05] i'll try to adapt my mockup quickly though to fit that scenario, so it's easier to talk about it [09:05] Personally, on an unrelated note, I sorta like the idea of only 1 box :P [09:05] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/zebra.png [09:05] yeah, but why enter username by hand? [09:05] its faster :P [09:05] username -> enter -> password -> enter :P [09:05] not for everyone ;) [09:06] true [09:06] but we could include some basic keyboard navigation [09:06] for the user-selection [09:06] e.g. if your user is preselected in the user-chooser, you only have to: password > enter ;) [09:06] so it's faster in that case [09:06] :) [09:09] ochosi: i got to go to the store, i'll be back in 20 [09:10] np [09:13] madnick: http://imagebin.org/184728 [09:13] also: show "real name" instead of "username" in the chooser [09:14] i mean why else do we even have that property [09:40] ochosi: yup, that sounds good [09:42] cool [09:42] btw, i'll migrate my data to my new internal SSD today [09:42] :> [09:42] meaning i will be out backing up data etc for a while [09:43] i'm also afraid the migration will take a while [09:43] (stupid usb2!) [09:43] you got a new laptop? (since the ssd is internal) [09:43] anyway, after that i'll draw my mockups at high speed! ;) [09:43] nah, just a two-year old dell xps m1330 [09:43] but a friend of mine got a new laptop so he'll pass on his ssd to me [09:43] ah [09:43] in return he gets my 500gb internal hdd [09:44] Im gonna get Zenbook ;) [09:44] sounds awesome [09:44] looks a bit like a macbook-air clone ;) [09:44] indeed :P [09:44] but i wouldn't mind getting one myself [09:44] I don't like mac keyboards [09:44] and I rather avoid EFI [09:45] guess i haven't used them long enough to be able to tell [09:45] i'm typing on one of these babies: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq-6CcpPj5dNPAmu0wlNPF2XzNPZQpIF-Zu8ASUzrI_UU1tCHtwCGspX3W [09:46] :D:D:D [09:46] I love those! [09:46] my keyboard is only two years younger than me :) [09:46] They make awsome sounds [09:46] yup [09:46] my gf hates that ;) [09:46] :P [09:46] PS/2 :)) [09:46] i sometimes have to switch to my logitech kb when she's around [09:46] yup [09:47] although the one i had before was still DIN [09:47] so it was DIN > PS/2 > USB [09:47] a nice series of adapters which made it rather error-prone [09:47] lol [09:47] or in fact: DIN > PS/2 > USB HUB > USB :D [09:51] so about the greeter: i guess when there is more than one user, the layout should be a bit different [09:51] scenario1: only one user, you end up exactly at the screen i mocked up [09:52] scenario2: multiple users, the password-box is hidden, instead there is some kind of "overflow-indicator" that opens the user-list-popup [09:52] does that make sense to you? [09:52] (i can do a mockup of scenario2 with an open user-list-popup btw) [09:53] i suppose :P [09:53] Im not 100% sure [09:53] I know what you mean [09:53] that i know* [10:00] k, i just added an indicator now, not sure, is that too subtle? http://imagebin.org/184731 [10:00] but i'd really rather not display a huge list of users... [10:02] Hm, how about if you rotated the indicator, > and you could scroll through all the users? [10:02] you mean keep it in the same place? [10:02] ah, i think i get what you mean [10:03] yeah, that's an option [10:03] but that way you never get an overview over what users you have on your system [10:03] we could do both though [10:04] clicking the avatar gives you a small popup [10:04] yup [10:04] and having the additional triangle to cycle through [10:04] in fact i think i have a nice idea for the popup [10:04] but maybe it's too elaborate [10:05] mainly show avatars with small names underneath them [10:05] doable? [10:05] Well, I think most people use the login screen as a little protection [10:05] In single user mode [10:05] So they want to get in fast :P [10:05] yes [10:05] yeah, that's why if there's only one user i'd show the password-field immedialtely [10:06] sorry, i missed that perhaps, im still a bit disoriented since yesterday :P [10:06] But yes, we could show small names [10:06] And avatars [10:06] But ochosi [10:07] Picking avatars, is something we might concider having in the settings [10:07] Or is that global? [10:07] * madnick is not sure [10:07] I mean, picking which one to use [10:07] for lightdm [10:07] i think you can pick your avatar in the user-settings. it should be global imo [10:07] i mean the same avatar system-wide [10:07] okay, cool [10:08] const gchar * lightdm_user_get_image (LightDMUser *user); [10:08] yeah [10:08] :) [10:12] quick one: http://imagebin.org/184732 [10:12] the positioning isn't great, it's mostly to illustrate the idea [10:12] :)) [10:12] that looks good [10:13] i'd probably move it more to the bottom, so that you can still see the avatar-button clicked [10:13] but something along the lines of this [10:13] and maybe trim the usernames in this list [10:13] or add a scrollbar? [10:13] oh, different idea... [10:14] when clicking the avatar, the whole black login-box gets replaced by that popup [10:14] and upon clicking/choosing an avatar you get back to the login-window [10:14] that'd maybe feel better than a popup [10:53] ochosi: i like that idea :) [10:53] i have developed it a bit further in the last few minutes [10:53] but the backup-copying makes my gimp rather useless, far too laggy... :( [10:54] :( [10:54] * ochosi hopes it's done soon [10:54] too many small files, those keep the cpu busy [10:54] how much stuff do you have? :P when i do a reinstall of stuff like that, its usllay < 200MB :P [10:55] lucky you [10:55] i have 40gb photos, 60gb of music and quite a few movies (~ 200gb) [10:55] but the movies i won't keep i think [10:55] i'll just delete most of them [10:56] :P [10:57] (because i've seen them, archiving them doesn't make too much sense imo) [10:57] that's what the cloud is for anyway [10:58] yup [11:08] ok, just to illustrate what i've been thinking about: there'd only be two screens, the normal login screen for one user and this chooser: http://imagebin.org/184736 [11:08] you'd get to that by clicking the avatar or the > [11:09] the "Not listed here?" would only appear in this context, not when already entering a password == already having selected a user [11:09] opinions? [11:09] looks nice :) [11:09] again i didn't care too much about the positioning [11:09] it's just to illustrate the idea [11:10] (also: my backup is still running, so drawing isn't that easy) [11:10] 3 per line seems like a good idea [11:11] because default [11:11] user other user guest [11:11] if you are 2 users [11:11] that is [11:11] so, it wouldnt give a scroll unless more than 3 [11:12] yeah, though the 3 per line was more by accident than by concept :) [11:13] but i guess it makes sense [11:14] the main thing is that nothing pops up anymore [11:14] which i think is visually more pleasant [11:15] so maybe we can wait at this stage for knome to give some input/feedback before carrying on too much [11:15] yeah [11:16] it's a rather clean design already: two viewmodes, one for the user-chooser, one for login [11:18] yep [11:18] Website Sprint at 23:00 my time? :o [11:19] iirc yourtime==mytime [11:19] yup! [11:19] guess so, not sure [11:19] :) [11:20] i can't be there anyway, saturday night i have other things to do ;) [11:20] knome: ah, something to add to the roadmap could be a better ui for xfce4-display-settings, to be able to set the outputs' positions ;> [11:20] mr_pouit: that'd be awesome! would you be the assignee? ;) [11:21] but anyway, you could add it to the wiki roadmap and we can try to figure that out later [11:22] ochosi: I would have done it already if I knew how to code that ;> [11:23] lol [11:23] (I only rewrote the code behind to work with randr 1.2, not the ui) [11:23] maybe we should talk to stephen about it, at least he knows how to position different wallpapers on different screens [11:23] yeah, he mailed jeromeg and me about reusing that for xfce4-display-settings [11:24] well, i'd be all for it! [11:24] but I don't know if he really wants to take that workitem ;> [11:24] yeah, especially connected with the timeframe [11:24] and it seems he's still renovating [11:26] yippie, almost done with my backup (only music has to be copied, so 60gb) [12:15] madnick: quick question: does lightdm set any session-things in oneiric? for a friend of mine it changes the screen-resolution to something odd [12:15] just looking for who the bad "guy" is and want to rule out lightdm :) [12:15] yes, lightdm sets the session [12:16] but i dont know about resolutions :\ [12:16] that sounds odd [12:17] where is lightdm's config file located? [12:18] ochosi: /etc/lightdm [12:18] /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf [12:18] k, thanks, i'll have a quick look into it [12:18] more likely it's a session thing i guess... [12:40] what's the user settings dialog? i think me menu is crapped... so where can i get the default menu file too? [12:42] mr_pouit, hahah, lol, okay... do you think it's overly elaborate or kind of trivialish? :P [12:44] hi knome [12:44] have you had the chance to look at the drafts? [12:45] yeah [12:45] yes knome, did you have the chance already? :) [12:45] i just read through the backlog [12:45] righty [12:45] i'm wondering about having any scrollbars [12:45] i could've given you a quick summary as well [12:45] but nvm [12:45] i think a simple list would be better [12:45] like a dropdown [12:45] i'm also wondering how useful avatars really are [12:46] how many uses them anyway? [12:46] do YOU have set an avatar? [12:46] well, it have not really worked until now :P [12:47] madnick... one thing about blueprints :D [12:47] in fact ubuntu has this avatar-setting integrated in their/our installer [12:47] madnick, can you set your nick as [dr-madnick] as that's your *launchpad* nickname which needs to be linked [12:48] ochosi: we do too [12:48] knome: yeah [12:48] in the blueprints itself+ [12:48] ?* [12:48] yeah [12:49] madnick: that's why i wrote "their/our" [12:49] after that, where do you set it? [12:49] [dr-madnick] Design the graphical user interface: INPROGRESS [12:49] and can somebody please pastebin me the default app menu for oneiric [12:49] madnick, yes [12:50] done [12:50] thanks [12:50] knome: i think avatars are useful in general, and as i said, ubuntu almost forces you to set one at install-time [12:50] https://launchpad.net/~madnick [12:51] that doesnt exist [12:51] but i cant use it anyways :( [12:51] madnick, exactly. that was throwing error :) [12:51] madnick, maybe contact the lp admins [12:51] yup [12:53] i really dont like the word around for the right-side view + resize [12:53] because it needs to resize horozonally aswell [12:53] if it doesnt it just looks wierd :P [12:54] Gtk.Box (?) :| [12:55] work around* [13:12] knome: any other feedback on the general look of the greeter? [13:13] i'm also not sure about the "window" being 100% solid (not transparent at all), but othewise i think it's fine. [13:13] and maybe use a bit less curved corners [13:14] yeah, those can all be figured out [13:14] but in general i'd prefer to only have this box and not an additional panel like we always had [13:14] i mean just for accessibility and power-man it's a bit too much to add a panel imo [13:16] about the user-switcher, yeah, at first i was also thinking about a simple dropdown, but on the other hand the avatar-thing might be nice and useful [13:17] yeah [13:17] ochosi, if it brings scrollbars, i'm kind of reluctant [13:17] it could also be a popup [13:17] ochosi, scrollbar in a dropdown box however... it's not that bad [13:17] i had a design for that at first [13:17] what if you had 200 users? [13:17] yeah, imagine a dropdown with 200 users ;) [13:18] with scrollbar that's possible [13:18] well the advantage of the stacked avatars would be that you'd have 3 per line [13:19] we could even offer both in the end [13:19] also: the dark frame is rather minimal/small at the moment, i'd probably make it larger in the end [13:21] yeah, hard to say how it turns out to be [13:22] k, so let's keep both options in mind? [13:22] also: you're fine with showing the real-name? [13:23] (and show the username as fallback, i should add) [13:24] Real Name [13:24] (username) [13:24] wait [13:25] i guess that wouldnt fit very well [13:25] madnick: could we show a simple-list-popup if there's more than 3 users? [13:25] we could [13:25] knome: what do you think about that? ^ [13:26] i like the idea of "Real Name (username)" ... [13:26] the username usually isn't very long :P [13:26] true [13:26] simple-list-popup as in? [13:26] we still might have to trim them [13:26] well, simple-list-popup as in: text-only list of usernames [13:27] or even of "Realname (username"ys [13:27] meh [13:27] :) [13:29] what would it look like? [13:29] avatar + rn(user) ? [13:29]
[13:29] repeat; [13:29] without the avatar, just rn(user)
[13:30] to control the overflow better and to make the list shorter [13:30] (short in terms of pixels) [13:31] mm [13:31] i can quickly draw it [13:31] yeah, could work, but wouldn't that mean showing avatars anywhere was BLEH? [13:31] just add small versions of the avatars :P [13:31] yeah, better :) [13:32] imo we don't need to show huge avatars anywhere [13:32] just something like 20px tall [13:32] =~ 1 line-height [13:32] well, maybe 48px in the login-screen, that'd be kinda nice [13:32] + a bit more [13:32] i'd show the selected username a bit larger than a normal line [13:33] as you could see in one of the mockups [13:33] madnick, you good in optimizing python? :P [13:33] ochosi: how do i scale a selection in gimp? [13:33] madnick: put it on a separate layer [13:33] knome: depends :P [13:34] madnick, https://launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker [13:36] very quick: http://imagebin.org/184741 [13:36] i like the idea with the small line-height avatars in the simple-list a lot btw [13:36] yup [13:36] knome: i'd say I have quite a few thing todo already, so adding something more might be bad for the current items :P [13:36] ;] [13:36] okay [13:36] np with that [13:36] just asking [13:37] I do expect to have working items soon however, because im doing it constantly, but I rather not take any chances at this stage, perhaps I can do more things later [13:37] yeah, sounds good [13:38] just a heads up [13:38] avatars will litterally scale [13:38] so smaller avatars = look wierd probably [13:39] yeah, i don't think we should care about that :) [13:44] bbl [13:49] hi GridCube [13:49] hi madnick [13:50] ochosi: when you are ready, i could implement this and we can see how it works out, on a real computer/vm [13:51] hows you lightdm configuration program going? added an avatar option yet? and a change your background box? [13:51] madnick: cool, i'll try to get it done today [13:51] GridCube: well, thats greeter options [13:51] oh [13:51] GridCube: which means that they are not the same for all greeters (avatar is tho) [13:52] but avatar is changable, but i dont know where :) [13:52] users / groups :P [13:52] i think in the user-settings (main-menu > system > users and groups) [13:52] its fun because when i was installing xubuntu it recognized i have a webcam and asked to take me a picture for the greeter, but it never used it [13:52] why isnt user settings in the settings manager? [13:53] yeah, it's not really used up to now in xubuntu [13:53] madnick: settings-manager is xfce-upstream, so only their stuff is inside [13:53] (or mostly) [13:53] i see [13:53] oh in users and groups it shows the picture it took, but in the greeter it does not [13:55] what is the user / group maanger called? [13:55] users admin? [13:55] users-admin [13:55] thanks [13:56] sorry for adding more job to your inbox :P [14:05] ok, deleting my local hdd now [14:05] (hopefully) see you later [14:05] D: [14:05] good luck [14:05] ty [14:25] anyont aware of a bug for clicking on downloaded .debs ? [14:25] anyone* [14:25] * holstein searching.... [14:25] what kind of bug? [14:26] like "clicking on downloaded .deb doesnt work" [14:28]