[00:11] <kat> anyone please, can software center be removed safely?
[00:12] <GridCube> kat i don't think so
[00:12] <GridCube> whats the problem?
[00:12] <kat> it is way too slow and synaptic is good enough
[00:12] <kat> orthe term
[00:13] <GridCube> yes, that true
[00:13] <GridCube> but the SC manges the debs now
[00:13] <kat> it seems useless to me
[00:14] <kat> oh, what about synaptic?
[00:14] <GridCube> no idae
[00:14] <kat> k, thanks
[00:49] <MarionV> good evening ubuntu peaps
[00:50] <MarionV> is there a way i can stretch my xubuntu partition to the full size of my hdd
[00:51] <MarionV> so i want to merge sda1 with sda5 pretty much
[01:10] <GridCube> I have suddendly change my root password
[01:10] <GridCube> but i have not changed it
[01:10] <GridCube> i can't do anything
[01:10] <GridCube> this is worrying me
[01:33] <GridCube> ok :(
[01:33] <GridCube> im floped
[01:34] <GridCube> my password has changed without my knowledge
[01:34] <GridCube> i was using a program that did changed the password randomly, but for samba shares
[01:35] <GridCube> and then, it changed my sudo password
[01:35] <GridCube> D:
[01:37] <spanther> you have /home as separate partition?
[01:37] <GridCube> yes
[01:37] <GridCube> i will not reinstall
[01:38] <spanther> okay, 'cause this was the easiest way without need of knowledge :P
[01:38] <GridCube> okay ill try something else
[01:38] <spanther> i don't think there is a way to circumvent the root password. and that has security reasons.
[01:47] <GridCube> \o/
[01:47] <GridCube> YES!
[01:47] <GridCube> HUGE SUCCESS
[01:49] <GridCube> >login into recovery mode >mount disks >log in ass root >passwd user >reset password >reboot >sudo apt-get update >WORKS!
[01:49] <GridCube> i've lost pretty plymouth but whatever :D
[01:50] <spanther> so recovery mode has a built in override :)
[01:51] <GridCube> :D dumb enough to work
[01:51] <spanther> i hope this mode won't open a way to attack a system...
[01:51] <GridCube> you need first to reboot it
[01:52] <spanther> i mean that you can boot with parameters, which circumvent the root :)
[01:52] <spanther> that such parameters exist at all
[03:16] <xubuntu614> Nice, didn't see that coming.
[03:21] <GridCube> what?
[04:57] <nico1287> hi
[05:01] <Joah> hi all
[05:01] <Joah> i'm having an issue with Xubuntu on my laptop
[05:01] <Joah> 64-bit, btw
[05:01] <Joah> i'm able to hibernate, and the laptop powers down
[05:02] <Joah> however, when restoring from the hibernated session, Xubuntu does not restore it
[05:02] <Joah> and starts as a new session
[05:02] <Joah> any ideas on how i can fix this?
[07:20] <xgt001> hello i need some help :(
[07:22] <hobgoblin> ask and if someone can help they will
[07:26] <xgt001> i installed xfce4 package in oneiric,i changed the panel settings to random sh*t, later i installed xubuntu-desktop, i just got the same settings which i did to xfce4 when i logged into xubuntu session, but when i tried guest session i got a very beautiful interface, how to get it in my profile without getting a new one?
[07:35] <hobgoblin> xgt001: you want the panel set back to default?
[07:36] <xgt001> i want default xubuntu settings in my userid
[07:36] <xgt001> i am getting it when i create a fresh user
[07:36] <hobgoblin> not sure how to revert them all
[07:36] <xgt001> if i delete .config/xfce4 folder?
[07:37] <hobgoblin> I'd guess so - I know the panel is there - you could backup that folder - rename it or copy it then logout and in
[07:37] <hobgoblin> try that then
[07:41] <xgt001> hobgoblin, it worked thanks :)
[07:41] <xgt001> a little glitch, i am getting ubuntu's window decorator, how to get xubuntu's window decorator without losing compiz?
[07:42] <hobgoblin> can't help I'm afraid - I stopped using compiz in ubuntu years ago - I've no idea how to even get it to work in xubuntu
[07:42] <hobgoblin> pretty sure there's something about it in the forum
[07:47] <hobgoblin> xgt001: from looking it seems that emerald is no longer in the repo - and compiz seems to use the unity window decorator
[07:49] <xgt001> hobgoblin, yes :( saw them , compiz can use xfwm4 window decorations right?
[07:49] <hobgoblin> I have no idea without searching - as I said I stopped using compiz years ago :)
[08:01] <hobgoblin> xgt001: found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1879421
[08:05] <xgt001> thanks a lot :) trying it out
[08:06] <hobgoblin> let me know if it works :)
[08:24] <ochosi> xgt001: no, compiz can't use xfwm4 decos
[08:25] <ochosi> xgt001: so you'll have to find a theme that supports both compiz and xfwm4 (e.g. greybird, the xubuntu default, does that)
[08:26] <xgt001> ochosi, i am running compiz now
[08:26] <xgt001> but its using adwaita them :(
[08:26] <ochosi> yeah, you can set the compiz theme e.g. with gconf-editor
[08:26] <ochosi> there is no GUI by default in xubuntu for changing the compiz-decorator theme
[08:27] <xgt001>  i am in gconf-editor
[08:27] <xgt001> where to change it?
[08:27] <xgt001> schemas? apps?
[08:27] <ochosi> hm, i don't know by heart, but it's in metacity
[08:27] <ochosi> (no clue where metacity is in though)
[08:29] <hobgoblin> I'm gonna platy with it in vbox - not wanting to ruin a perfectly good setup :)
[08:29] <xgt001> hey its easy! i could change it with gnome-tweak tool
[08:30] <ochosi> hobgoblin: it's not extremely dangerous, if you want to revert the changes you can always execute "xfwm4 --replace" and uninstall compiz ;)
[08:30] <hobgoblin> I realise that - but I needed a xubu vbox anyway - so now's as good a time as any :)
[08:31] <ochosi> k :)
[08:31] <ochosi> are you simply testing xubuntu?
[08:31] <hobgoblin> makes it easier to check out forum tutes without breaking things as well - before I approve them
[08:31] <hobgoblin> nope - been using it for 9 or 10 months now
[08:31] <ochosi> right
[08:31] <Sysi> if I could stretch myself to make usable compiz setup.. but ccsm is awful
[08:32] <ochosi> agreed, ccsm is a bit overly complicated
[08:32] <hobgoblin> ochosi: really don't like unity/gnome-shell so it was time to look around - and I've never liked kde
[08:33] <ochosi> hobgoblin: guess then you're in the right place ;)
[08:33] <hobgoblin> +1 - ccsm is a nightmare
[08:33] <Sysi> I'm starting to like kde, gnome-shell is pretty good but I don't like nautilus
[08:33] <hobgoblin> ochosi: indeed
[08:34] <hobgoblin> hoping to at least report bugs for 12.04 as well - got that in a seperatepartition
[08:34] <xgt001> thanks a lot for wonderful xubuntu 11.10 :)
[08:34] <xgt001> reeally a relief after unity,shell crap
[08:35] <ochosi> yw :)
[08:35] <hobgoblin> it's not crap as such - just some people don't like it - I have had enough of the trolling on the forum - being staff means I have to read it :(
[08:35] <ochosi> hobgoblin: what forum are you in?
[08:35] <hobgoblin> ubuntuforums
[08:35] <ochosi> hobgoblin: ah, i see, nice :)
[08:36] <ochosi> hobgoblin: haven't used them as much as i used to a few years ago. been spending more and more time here and not in the forums
[08:36] <hobgoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=610428
[08:36] <xgt001> hobgoblin, apologies for language, but unity restricts so much :( and shell.... better i don describe it, its just not revolutionary enough to change our computing ways!
[08:36] <ochosi> hobgoblin: nice avatar :D
[08:37] <Sysi> xgt001: I prefer gnome-shell, it's simpler
[08:37] <hobgoblin> ochosi: I'm in the beginner team help channel - but I've only recently come to this one
[08:37] <hobgoblin> ochosi: :) if it hadn't been a drawing of a php it would be a drawing of me
[08:38] <xgt001> Sysi, i agree on that but switching applications in shell is tough imho
[08:38] <ochosi> hobgoblin: hehe
[08:39] <Sysi> xgt001: I think it's easier/faster than searching app in the taskbar and clicking it
[08:39] <ochosi> yeah, about launching apps: the new xfce-appfinder will be awesome in that respect. a little like gnome-do, but much lighter on resources
[08:39] <DoverOs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hj_q_MmO7I
[08:40] <xgt001> ochosi, i just installed gnome do :D
[08:40] <ochosi> DoverOs: are you trying to rickroll us? (just wondering, posting a yt-video without comment)
[08:40] <ochosi> oh, and he's gone...
[08:41] <hobgoblin> spam - or I'd say so - or just an awful taste in music ...
[08:42] <xgt001> Sysi, btw i am on ubuntu :) better that i have lots of choice xfce,shell,unity....
[08:44] <Sysi> I might switch back to *buntu on 12.04, though I'm thinking about arch with kde, fedora xfce currently
[09:08] <incorrect> how can i have xubuntu extend my desktop over my external monitor and my laptop screen
[09:08] <incorrect> so far they just mirror, 11.04 they used to extend
[09:08] <Sysi> nvidia/ati tool or arandr
[09:08] <incorrect> no ui?
[09:08] <Sysi> they're all GUI
[09:09] <Sysi> default display settings are lacky
[09:09] <incorrect> they were there in 11.04
[09:09] <Sysi> should be the same in 11.10
[09:10] <incorrect> nope, loads of regression in 11.10
[09:10] <incorrect> i think a lot of things broke for them with ubuntu going to gtk3
[09:12] <incorrect> by default it auto detected my screens and got it right, resolutions etc
[09:13] <Sysi> xubuntu always has used mirroring by default, afaik
[09:13] <incorrect> didn't for me
[09:14] <Sysi> starting gnome services might do that
[09:14] <incorrect> could be
[09:14] <incorrect> ah yes i could well have enabled that first
[09:15] <incorrect> lets try!
[09:20] <incorrect> yep, i must have enabled gnome sessions stuff
[09:21] <incorrect> now i found a tool that made bootable distros easily
[09:49] <hobgoblin> ochosi: glad I did that compiz stuff in vbox - killed it completely :)
[09:49] <ochosi> hehe
[09:49] <nikolam> Anyone using xubuntu installed on kernel module ZFS file system? (available from PPA during install)
[09:55] <elfy> ochosi: though I Wish I'd done a snapshot ...
[09:56] <Sysi> elfy: how did it break? do you have oracle extension pack installed
[09:56] <Sysi> I think it's needed for proper 3D
[09:58] <elfy> mmm - not sure - I know I had the virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package installed
[09:58] <elfy> sorry for the nicks - just cycling through them so they don't get stolen :p
[09:59] <ochosi> elfy: well, vbox and compiz is maybe not an ideal combination anyway...
[09:59] <elfy> yea - indeed :)
[09:59] <elfy> no idea where the autostart things are to remove them in recovery - will look later - got to fly now for a while
[10:01] <ochosi> elfy: btw, why not just register your nick/s?
[10:36] <incorrect> are there any plans to fix this stupid sound muting problem?
[10:55] <elfy> ochosi: they are - but if they're not used for 6 months they're fair game apparently
[10:56] <ochosi> that is true (and makes sense imo)
[10:56] <ochosi> incorrect: there are plans, and in fact if you uninstall pulseaudio there's no problem
[10:58] <incorrect> ochosi, what other problems might that introduce?
[10:58] <incorrect> if you don't have a sound service, you end up with one app with a lock on the sound subsystem?
[10:59] <Sysi> if you remove pulseaudio, alsa will be used directly
[10:59] <TheSheep> not if your sound card has multiple channels
[10:59] <Sysi> may causes problems if you have multiple sound devices
[11:00] <ochosi> i think you can always reinstall pulseaudio if you get in trouble
[11:00] <Sysi> yup
[11:00] <ochosi> i've done it a few times, without any problems/regressions
[11:01] <Sysi> I like how on fedora pulse=alsa, when I open alsamixer I have pulse as default soundcard
[11:02] <Sysi> on ubuntu PCM works totally randomly with pulse
[11:03] <incorrect> i will live with the mute problem until its fixed
[11:03] <Sysi> on arch I have no problems with linux 3.1 on virtualbox, but xubuntu 11.10 shuts down really slowly
[11:03] <elfy> what is this mute problem?
[11:04] <Sysi> unmuting fails
[11:09] <elfy> oh - yea noticed that - worked around it
[11:48] <ochosi> elfy: how did you work around it?
[11:48] <ochosi> (the unmute problem)
[11:58] <elfy> don't use mute - nothing particularly exotic - nor very helpful to anyone else I'm afraid
[12:58] <starn> hello, i know amarok is kubuntu application but i am in xubuntu... is there away to reduce how much memory it uses it's using 259,316k.. thats like as much as the entire OS by it self with Teampspeak 3 running...
[12:59] <starn> otherwise does anyone have a suggestion for a better player that uses way less memory like i'm kinda ok with 20-30mb.. but prefer around 10mb..
[13:00] <starn> i'd also like to have lyrics thing like amarok has..
[13:02] <knome> starn, nope, no way to affect how much memory amarok uses.
[13:02] <knome> starn, have you looked at gmusicbrowser, the default for xubuntu?
[13:03] <knome> starn, i don't know what kind of lyrics plugin amarok has nowadays, but you can have lyrics in gmb too
[13:04] <starn> knome: yes i looked at it.. it used about 36mb ish..idle don't know if it increases while playing.. only reasion i am worried about memory usage is i only have 1gb ram.
[13:05] <knome> starn, it's one of the lightest players
[13:05] <starn> knome: i take it i am not going to get any lighter than unless i use a commandline player such as moc than..
[13:05] <knome> probably not, but i'm not sure
[13:06] <starn> knome: alright. well i do multi boot.. and it uses about same as winamp.. so i guess i can live with it. heh.
[13:06] <knome> yeah. it's pretty nice really.
[13:07] <subspider> hi
[13:07] <knome> hello
[13:07] <starn> knome: it will handle a extremely large library of music right? i've seen some program completly freeze up due to the size of a library i have.
[13:07] <starn> hello subspider.
[13:07] <knome> starn, yes, it'll handle large libs
[13:07] <Sysi> starn: maybe deadbeef, though I don't know if it has lyrics plugin
[13:09] <Sysi> (you shouldn't run out 1GB with amarok and browser very easily)
[13:12] <starn> Sysi: alright i'll look into that while i wait for this to scan my lib.. and i am a heavy multitasker.. often had to do stuff CLI due to memory. i like to play games as well. and just running my Teamspeak 3 and browser and amarok. tends to have lots of audio lag. i am honestly used to ubuntu's stuff which i guess technically this is ubuntu? tried kubuntu loved amarok haha and disliked the bloatedness and hate how ubuntu has unity and the interface and xubuntu
[13:13] <elfy> starn: you could have a look at clementine
[13:13] <Sysi> basically all buntu's are the same
[13:13] <Sysi> you could buy some ram?
[13:14] <starn> Sysi: i noticed they are. seeing how i've tried those 3.. kinda still able to switch between em freely. for i never removed.. and i'm currently to poor to buy ram.. and yes i know i can get 1gb for 10 dollars on newegg
[13:15] <starn> elfy: i will look into that as well
[13:16] <starn> oh Sysi thats really neat deadbeef is avalable for my phone.
[13:16] <elfy> starn: also I think some of the mod clients have lyric support - I say think - most of the music I listen to is lyricless or I've listened to them for so long I know the lyrics - so I tend to not notice lyric plugins
[13:16] <elfy> ario does apparently
[13:16] <starn> elfy: i have terrible memory as a human.. haha
[13:16] <elfy> I have one of those as well I'm told
[13:17] <starn> clementine looks nice it even supports windows.....  and looks like old amarok?? if i am not mistaking?
[13:18] <Sysi> IIRC it is replica of amarok 1.4
[13:18] <elfy> it is - I've been using it for a long time now - I used to flit about all over the place with music players
[13:18] <starn> well seeing how thats the version i fell in love with this will probably be perfect if it's in my memory useage standards.
[13:19] <starn> i really am liking how they have a windows version for that was something i was sad about amarok.
[13:20] <elfy> starn: http://i.imgur.com/8pH58.png
[13:20] <Sysi> I'd like to find alternative to rhythmbox, how freaking hard is it to make simple player that sorts songs based on what you type
[13:20] <elfy> I think there's a windows amarok now
[13:20] <Sysi> I always fed up setting up GMB
[13:20] <elfy> Sysi: apparently it's very
[13:21] <starn> amaroks windows version is kinda buggy.. and has been so for awhile.. and rhythmbox has always been my second choice.
[13:22] <Sysi> rhythmbox is buggy, banshee is usable but not very nice or light
[13:22] <knome> starn, there is a "rhythmbox" layout for gmusicbrowser, if you like/have adjusted to the looks of it
[13:23] <Sysi> netbook layout would be pretty good if it was just a list of songs, and I'd get next song on the list by default
[13:24] <starn> so do you think it would be safe to upgrade to 64bit from what i understand you can install 32bit in 64bit now... and i am looking into all these suggestions and reading details. and if they appeal to me i'm gonna try them so far two is on the list.. deadbeef i am gonna look up on the android market haha.
[13:25] <Sysi> if you're cpu supports amd64 you can run 64bit or i686
[13:25] <Sysi> *your
[13:26] <Sysi> you can't really change current installation's architechture, but you can run 32bit apps on 64
[13:26] <starn> i have amd64.. i used to have ubuntu 10.10 64 until my entire hard drive failed. and i accidently clicked on the wrong download with out noticing.
[13:26] <starn> i know.. i would have to uninstall this more likely after backing up important files.
[13:26] <Sysi> 64 doesn't really give any advantage with 1GB
[13:26] <starn> very true.
[13:26] <starn> i do intend to get more when i can afford it.
[13:27] <starn> if not an entire new pc.. but if thats the case the question wouldn't matter. haha
[13:28] <Sysi> I'd need to move some data around so I could have virtual machines on SSD,
[13:29] <Sysi> I could run two or three with 4GB
[13:30] <starn> i know it's normally a bad idea to do this but walmart is selling a computer for 699 with 16gb ram and amd 64 3.2 quad core.. really thinking about saving for that..
[13:30] <Sysi> you probably could build machine with similar specs for cheaper
[13:31] <starn> so far with my pricing i can't :\ than again i always want a video card which i already have..
[13:32] <starn> but with 16gb i would never need windows more likely. a virtual machine set to use 8gb would probably run high end games with a good enough video card right?
[13:32] <starn> well would never have to boot out of linux.
[13:32] <Sysi> 3D isn't that great with virtualization
[13:34] <starn> hmm... well that's ok.. PC's normally have windows installed i could do dual.. but this is more of a dream atm.. seeing how i can't pay for $10 1gb stick of ram... haha
[13:39] <starn> xubuntu does not use gnome correct? it uses xfce? and if so do they plan to make it like gnome 3? for a heads up would be nice before they do so i won't upgrade.
[13:39] <Sysi> not for the foreseeable future
[13:40] <starn> thank goodness! welp i found my new home haha
[13:40] <Sysi> it's always been your home, you were just lost for a while :P
[13:41] <starn> already enjoying the random background switching every 5 minutes. probably so.. i was lost in gnome 2 :P
[13:42] <starn> hey my music lib managed to freeze gmusicbrowser...
[13:42] <knome> is it still importing?
[13:43] <starn> it froze on "checking length/bitrate
[13:43] <knome> ochosi will know more about gmb
[13:43] <knome> but afaik it needs to do that once
[13:43] <starn> the computer got super slow while importing but i assumed this was due to the massive amounts of songs... don't help they're on 2tb hard drive.
[13:43] <ochosi> yes, only once
[13:43] <knome> and it might take some time for a large collection
[13:44] <ochosi> thing is it checks the real length of the mp3s – meaning that takes a bit if they don't a vbr header
[13:45] <starn> they was on this hard drive which is 160gb but it was eventually to small. so they got moved to the 2tb.. i think there is 6000-7000 without vbr headers.
[13:45] <starn> oh yay it unfreeze
[13:45] <Sysi> bigger disk should be faster
[13:45] <starn> i thought so my self.
[13:46] <Sysi> newer and "tighter"
[13:46] <starn> don't help i believe i have enough songs to fill my windows harddrive.
[13:46] <starn> it's 320gb...
[13:47] <starn> this is all music i've gotten from CD's from friends family etc and that i got since i was 12..... so it's about 11 years worth of music history haha
[13:51] <starn> so what do you guys use untu systems for?? i know music thus far i assume internet. basically everything an avg user uses windows for? plus for the added safety? i like to use it for the cli and ease of use compaired to windows.. like it's been so long since i used dos... i tried to and i couldn't figure it out for the life of me.... so i installed cygwin.. haha
[13:56] <elfy> I use it to annoy the kids ,,,
[13:56] <starn> that's an good idea actually
[13:57] <GridCube> :) people this channel is for support :)
[13:57] <GridCube> !ot
[14:01] <elfy> GridCube: yea I know - no-one appears to be about though
[14:06] <Sysi> GMB shimmer-netbook, how do I make it to switch to next song when currently played one ends? now it just jumps to some random song
[14:07] <Sysi> well, it jumps always to same song but I have no idea where it picks that
[14:08] <Sysi> "playing" from popup menu seems to do nothing or something completely random
[14:10] <Sysi> I managed to do it on desktop-layout but that's just awful
[14:12] <Sysi> argh, something that complicated with *very* basic stuff definitely should not be default
[14:15] <GridCube> Sysi, thats because, GMB its really bad media player, you think that you have searched your music collection, when in factyou just filtered the "view" of a current "playlist"
[14:16] <GridCube> use any other media player, i recommend guayadeque
[14:28] <knome> i don't think it's justifiable to say gmb is a bad player if it happens to do some things different than the other media players you might have used
[14:30] <Sysi> it would be more rightful to say that it's a bit illogical/unclear
[14:32] <GridCube> if you have to learn a whole new philosophy just to play some music, its bad. even more when its not clearly explicit, when there is no clear way to search your collection and add stuff to a playlist, like any, from the dawn of time, did.
[14:32] <knome> a bit, the complete truth is that it is just working in a different than other media players which makes it maybe a bit hard to grasp
[14:32] <GridCube> thats, from my humble opinion, its bad
[14:32] <knome> use the queue, or the filters.
[14:32] <knome> they are really easy-to-use
[14:33] <GridCube> i don't even know what those are
[14:33] <GridCube> i got extremely frustrated with gmb and went for a good media player instead
[14:33] <knome> the queue is simply a play queue on the left hand side, it's one of the tabs
[14:33] <Sysi> if rhythmbox starts breaking too bad, I go for JuK or banshee
[14:33] <knome> drag-and-drop there, and those tracks will play next
[14:34] <Sysi> it could be wise to reconsider default player for next LTS, though I can't think of any really good candidate :/
[14:34] <GridCube> Sysi, try guayadeque :D its pretty good
[14:35] <GridCube> Sysi, i proposed a change, but i was said "nope"
[14:35] <knome> we've changed the default player twice quite lately.
[14:35] <knome> i think that proves it's a matter of taste, and we can't please everyone.
[14:35] <Sysi> I think it has changed on almost every version since 8.04
[14:35] <knome> not really. first to exaile and then to gmb.
[14:36] <knome> that makes it two.
[14:36] <Sysi> 8.04 had rhythmbox, at some point it was Listen, then Exaile and now GMB
[14:36] <knome> right, listen...
[14:36] <knome> i think it was listen for maybe one cycle
[14:36] <knome> that was good when we switched to it, but then it got totally borked
[14:37] <Sysi> banshee would be pretty good but it requires mono
[14:37] <Sysi> more deps than rhythmbox, even if it works betterly
[14:37] <knome> pulls a lot of stuff.
[14:40] <hobgoblin> I don't personally think that the choice of music players by default will ever be perfect - but I can see gmb not being such a good one - but that's just my opinion and based purely on the fact I couldn't get my head around the way it wanted to work
[14:42] <knome> hobgoblin, mmh. i kind of liked listen, since it was really really really simple and easy-to-use. too bad something went wrong.
[14:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:43] <hobgoblin> I always had trouble with the way that various media players dealt with the sort of silly playlists I have - I settled on amarok 1.x then they released 2 and I started again lol
[14:43] <Sysi> I didn't like it, maybe my opinion about simple is too simple
[14:45] <hobgoblin> listen or amarok ? or both
[14:45] <Sysi> listen, but amarok too :P
[14:45] <hobgoblin> :p
[14:46] <hobgoblin> I install version 2 every now and again and rapidly uninstall it - latest attempt was last night lol - takes longer for it to read my music lib than to install and uninstall
[14:46] <hobgoblin> clementine is quick with it's first read and then stays quick
[15:15] <starn> i have a fairly weird question.. in windows 7 i can have music come through speakers and VoIP or games or what ever through headphones.. and other way around... is this possible in xubuntu?
[15:17] <starn> and that is at the same time with out having to unplug heaphones from front jacks and speakers from rear or anything really special..
[15:33] <GridCube> starn, it should be possible, yes
[15:34] <GridCube> try setting your programs to use different outputs
[15:35] <starn> hmmmm... i only have alsa and pulse that i am aware of and totally tried that... this is gonna become come complex process isn't it? :(
[15:35] <starn> and now with you saying it's possible i will probably spend countless hours trying to figure this out.
[15:36] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and see if you can set it up with that
[15:37] <starn> alright Sysi.. btw my two test programs are Teamspeak 3 and gmusicbrowser.
[15:43] <starn> Sysi: that sadly does not give me anymore options than what i already have.
[15:45] <starn> i did learn for Audio recording aka micophone i use Alsa... dunno what i use for play back.
[15:56] <starn> has anyone have suggestion? or should i ask this in the ubuntu channel?
[17:04] <ochosi> stupid skype doesn't accept my gtk-theme *and* changes my mousecursor in oneiric – any experiences as to why this happens?
[17:06] <Sysi> does it use Qt theming?
[17:06] <baizon_> yes
[17:06] <ochosi> yup
[17:07] <ochosi> before exporting "GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0" helped, but not anymore
[17:08] <Sysi> I think it can affect cursor, does skype have settings for selecting theming?
[17:08] <ochosi> yeah, but they don't work anymore in oneiric
[17:09] <sburjan`> Hello. I have just finished installing 11.10 and I wanted to install openssh-server, but I don't see it in the packge list ? could someone tell me what's the package name, or why the package has been removed from xubuntu repos ?
[17:11] <Sysi> it should be there, refresh your package lists
[17:11] <Sysi> !info openssh-server
[17:15] <sburjan`> Sysi: thanks, I had to run update
[17:15] <Sysi> you should do that every time you're installing something (if not on same day/hour)
[17:19] <sburjan`> Sysi: now a dumb question. I have to connect to a remote SSH Server from the File Manager, but I don't find any option to do that
[17:20] <ochosi> sburjan`: in case you have all the packages needed installed you can press ctrl+l and just enter the remote location (e.g. user@ssh://myserver)
[17:24] <sburjan`> the open button is not clickable. I am trying: username@192.168.0.45://home/username
[17:24] <Sysi> you may need to install gvfs-backends
[17:29] <sburjan`> do I have to reboot ?
[17:32] <sburjan`> nope, didn't work
[17:35] <GridCube> what problem do you have sburjan` ?
[17:36] <sburjan`> GridCube: tryong to conenct to a ssh host from File Manager
[17:36] <GridCube> oh
[17:36] <GridCube> never could make that kind of thing
[17:37] <GridCube> but the easiest(safer) way to do things like that is to mount them on fstab
[17:37] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[17:38] <Sysi> I wouldn't say safer
[17:39] <GridCube> >never could make that kind of thing
[17:39] <Sysi> sburjan`: you may need to restart thunar, "killall thunar" or relogin
[17:40] <sburjan`> Sysi: I rebooted, manager to advance a little bit. Trying with ssh:username@192.168.0.45://home/username .. and I get a "No hostname specified" error
[17:46] <sburjan`> ok, I'm in. damn syntax :)
[17:53] <EagleScreen> hi
[17:53] <GridCube> !hi
[17:54] <EagleScreen> Xubuntu 11.10 is giving me a very good impresion
[17:54] <GridCube> :D
[17:54] <EagleScreen> I think Software Origins should be under System, not under Configuration, it would have more sense for me
[17:55] <kirill> hello there
[17:56] <kirill> please help me how i can up soun in headphones,
[17:56] <kirill> ?
[17:56] <GridCube> kirill, try alsamixer
[17:56] <GridCube> if that doesnt work use pavucontrol
[17:56] <kirill> i turn it in max in mixer but it still very bad
[17:56] <sburjan`> does xubuntu use pulse-audio ?
[17:56] <kirill> yes
[17:56] <GridCube> yes
[17:57] <kirill> but without headphones sound is ok
[17:57] <GridCube> kirill, thats from pavucontrol?
[17:57] <kirill> alsamixer
[17:57] <GridCube> try the other one
[17:57] <kirill> how i can install pavucontrol?
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo apt-get installs pavucontrol
[17:57] <GridCube> without the s
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[17:57] <kirill> senk u i try it now
[17:58] <GridCube> kirill, also check that your heaephones work anywhere else
[17:58] <EagleScreen> dont you agree with me in moving Software Origins? i am talking about Applications menu
[17:58] <GridCube> EagleScreen, thats a devel question
[17:58] <GridCube> it should go to #xubuntu-devel
[17:58] <GridCube> :)
[18:03] <Michi74390> hi! I've just switched to xubuntu and it's awesome so far. Just one thing: the touchpad clicking does not always work and it's quite hard to drag windows around only with the pad
[18:03] <Michi74390> any idea what I can do about it?
[18:04] <kirill> install last version of xubuntu
[18:05] <Michi74390> i am on xubuntu 11.10
[18:05] <kirill> what ver of xubuntu d u have?
[18:05] <kirill> o
[18:06] <kirill> hmm
[18:06] <kirill> in last version this problem was on my laptop but in 11.10 all ok
[18:07] <Michi74390> hm
[18:08] <kirill> try to install xfce from them web
[18:08] <kirill> mb
[18:09] <Michi74390> actually it's not too bad, I just have to almost punch the touchpad to click
[18:09] <kirill> mb its better for u to use normal mouse
[19:49] <tinrib> Good evening, anyone around?
[19:50] <baizon_> yes
[19:51] <tinrib> Hi there. Do you know how to add 'stuff' to the xubuntu desktop XFCE?
[19:51] <tinrib> Like a clock, weather etc?
[19:52] <RiceKing> Hi all, I did a fresh isntall of Xubuntu 11.10  Is there an easy way to setup dual monitor?  Perhaps an app or command?
[19:53] <tinrib> Hi RiceKing, I just saw a web page on how to do that. Google it?
[19:53] <baizon> RiceKing: i would recommend arandr
[19:53] <Sysi> tinrib: check out conky
[19:54] <tinrib> thanks
[19:54] <baizon> tinrib: or desklets
[19:54] <RiceKing> conky and arandr  I will give those a go.
[19:54] <baizon> RiceKing: no no conky wasnt for you
[19:54] <baizon> it was for tinrib
[19:54] <RiceKing> oh ok
[19:54] <baizon> for you its only arandr
[19:54] <RiceKing> OK thnak you
[19:55] <RiceKing> *thank you
[19:55] <baizon> its a nice tool to configure multiple displays
[19:55] <tinrib> About dual monitors - does dvi to 2 vga splitter cable work?
[19:57] <RiceKing> both dvi
[19:57] <tinrib> oh, cheers, my pc is old skool
[19:58] <tinrib> only have a vga and dvi out
[19:58] <tinrib> no dual dvi
[20:04] <knome> tinrib, why don't you use and adapter for vga
[20:06] <tinrib> knome, so use dvi to vga adapter and then the other vga at the same time?
[20:06] <tinrib> I want dual monitors like RiceKing but on old kit
[20:07] <knome> well, i don't know if a splitter works. but with an adapter, should work
[20:07] <tinrib> haven't done dual monitors on linux ever. have 10 monitors at work and that's all splitter cables
[20:08] <Sysi> if you don't have DVI display, adapter works well
[20:09] <tinrib> the video card has dvi and vga connectors, can i use both at the same time, sorry if that sounds too newbie
[20:09] <Sysi> you can
[20:10] <RiceKing> Arandr did the trick for my dual screen but doesn't retain the settings after rebbot.
[20:10] <RiceKing> *reboot
[20:10] <tinrib> oh well, i may just get that second monitor then
[20:10] <tinrib> spent a load of time looking for a splitter cable for nothing today, nice
[20:10] <Sysi> RiceKing: export script with it and put it to autostart
[20:10] <knome> well i suppose it depends on the graphics card too
[20:10] <RiceKing> Where is auto start folder located?
[20:11] <Sysi> settings → sessions and startup → autostart
[20:11] <RiceKing> sweet thanks, I will go now and try
[20:12] <Sysi> knome: I haven't heard about card that supports only one card, though I had card that only supported two even if it had four outputs
[20:12] <knome> only one monitor
[20:12] <knome> :)
[20:13] <Sysi> yes :D
[20:13] <knome> mmh, yeah, but it's not given that all will
[20:21] <RiceKing> I exported Arandr settings and added to the startup but is not working
[20:22] <RiceKing> I have to double click manually the script in order to get my dual screen settings back
[20:22] <phunyguy> lol @ the username RiceKing.  Any relation to the restaurant?  (Sorry I know off topic)
[20:22] <RiceKing> No, LOL.... I just love Asian girls.... but who doesn't
[20:23] <knome> phunyguy, may i ask you... if you know about -offtopic, why didn't you ask him to join there? :P
[20:37] <phunyguy> knome, meh.
[20:39] <incorrect> can use ubuntu one with xfce?
[20:43] <Myrtti> sure, the file manager plugin wont be there but otherwise it works
[20:44] <incorrect> i could replace thunar with nautilus?
[20:44] <Sysi> if you want
[20:45] <Myrtti> I've never seen the need for the filemanager plugin but I guess someone might find it useful
[20:45] <incorrect> not sure what the file manager plugin does
[21:00] <incorrect> which media player should i use these days?
[21:01] <Sysi> something you like
[21:01] <incorrect> maybe i will just go with the default
[21:01]  * GridCube sighs
[21:01] <Sysi> rhythmbox/banshee/gmusicbrowser/amarok/clementine/deadbeef
[21:05] <TheSheep> qudolibet
[21:05] <TheSheep> quodlibet
[21:25] <w30> Any one know how to make the xfce4 desktop single click?
[21:26] <Sysi> I think that's not currently possible
[21:28] <w30> I have double click troubles, using explorer in Windows95 I kept moving the windows folder into the printer spool *sigh*
[21:29] <Sysi> using panel(s) is much more handy anyway :p
[21:30] <w30> Sysi, what do you mean using panels?
[21:32] <w30> Sysi, making app launchers in the panel? I like to open a bunch text files I have on my Desktop like grocery list, phone lists, whatever.
[21:34] <Sysi> for static files that would work on panel too (I like my desktop empty)
[21:36] <w30> Sysi, good for you; I use my desktop for a staging area and quick access to a few docs
[21:37] <Sysi> w30: I open thunar faster from panel than get desktop visible :P
[21:37] <Sysi> everyone has different ways of doing stuff
[21:37] <w30> Sysi, so I left that Unity abortion for xfce4
[21:41] <phunyguy> I actually prefer Unity.
[21:41] <phunyguy> went back and forth for about a year.
[21:42] <Sysi> I prefer gnome-shell over unity
[21:42] <phunyguy> ack.  now THAT is an abortion.  And a topic for !offtopic.
[21:43] <Sysi> I'll try setting up compiz next.. otherly I'll switch from xfce to kde
[21:43] <phunyguy> ooooh I love KDE, just never have any stability with it.
[21:45] <Sysi> 4.7 is feeling pretty good, I didn't switch earlier because of stability
[21:45] <w30> I'm also trying Enlightenment but it's quite foreign to me as far as configuring goes so far
[21:45] <phunyguy> good luck with that.
[21:45]  * w30 is going to try 'em all I quess
[21:46]  * w30 wonders if lxde single clicks?
[22:05] <Sysi> how could I change text color in topicbar of irssi? (where in theme file)
[22:06] <Myrtti> hold on, let me check
[22:08] <Myrtti> oh.
[22:09] <Myrtti> nevermind then.
[22:10] <knome> lol
[22:14] <Sysi> well, that didn't work out properly
[22:14] <Myrtti> what did you use
[22:15] <Myrtti> I was going to suggest topicsbstart
[22:16] <Sysi> I changed sb = " %c[%n$*%c]%n"; but something apparently went wrong
[22:19] <Sysi> ah, removed *} at the end of some line accidentally
[22:21] <Sysi> well, %c[%n$*%c]%b"; doesn't work
[22:27] <WalterN> a factor of 10 less ppl... lol
[22:28] <WalterN> anyway, I've got three screens, trying to figure out how to arrange them so they are not all mirrored (showing the same thing)
[22:32] <Myrtti> WalterN: is your GPU by any chance NVidia?
[22:33] <WalterN> no, AMD radeon HD 6870
[22:35] <Myrtti> hm, then there may be some hope of getting it to work with arandr/grandr
[22:35] <Sysi> hrm, now I lost settings from my theme file
[22:36] <WalterN> in gnome there was a handy little checkbox in one of the settings that switched between mirroring or not
[22:42] <WalterN> herm, dont see where to change microphone/speaker settings either
[22:51] <Sysi> Myrtti: I couldn't fint out how to change that color, I started again from default
[22:55] <Sysi> I wonder if this would be good moment to have a break from irc